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Media conservatives leap to lockstep defense of ABC's 9-11 "docudrama"

September 06, 2006 7:47 pm ET

SUMMARY: Media conservatives, including film blogger Govindini Murty, Rush Limbaugh, L. Brent Bozell III, and Andrew C. McCarthy, have all spoken out to defend the reportedly dubious portrayals of historical events in the ABC miniseries The Path to 9/11. In doing so, these conservatives have used strikingly similar themes, praising the miniseries' "honesty" or "accuracy" and its "nonpartisan" nature.

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A number of conservative media figures have leaped to the defense of the ABC miniseries The Path to 9/11, claiming that the "docudrama" -- which has been widely criticized for its alleged fabrications -- is "nonpartisan" and factually honest. However, initial reviews and fact-checks of the miniseries, which is scheduled to air in two parts on September 10 and 11, have shown that it twists and invents facts and storylines to create a false picture of the Clinton administration's role in failing to prevent the September 11, 2001, terrorist attacks, while largely ignoring Bush administration failures.

The weblog Think Progress noted that the film was written and produced by Cyrus Nowrasteh, who has claimed that the film is based largely on the 9-11 Commission Report. As Media Matters for America and Think Progress have noted, two former Bush administration counterterrorism officials, Richard A. Clarke and Roger Cressey, have debunked some of what Cressey characterized as the "factually wrong" claims in The Path to 9/11 regarding the Clinton administration's counterterrorism efforts.

Editor & Publisher's September 5 review of the film wrote of its "severe[]" treatment of Clinton:

The first half, to be aired Sunday, explores the terrorist threat starting with the 1993 bombing at the World Trade Center, and there is little question that President Clinton is dealt with severely, almost mockingly, with the [Monica] Lewinsky scandal closely tied to his failure to cripple al-Qaeda.

"The Path to 9/11" ends with a long segment on the day of the attacks and top officials' response -- though we only see President Bush in his speech to the nation, not in the Florida classroom with "The Pet Goat."

E&P noted the manner in which the Lewinsky scandal was insinuated into the film's plot:

Clarke explains to [FBI terrorism expert John] O'Neill afterward that "they are worried about political fallout" and "legalities." O'Neill complains that terrorism is "perceived by this administration as a law and order problem." A CIA planner angrily declares, "It's not about sitting around a conference room covering your ass."

Right away comes a quick cut to Clinton making his famous statement about not having "sexual relations" with Lewinsky. Clarke tells O'Neill that Clinton won't give the order to get [Osama] bin Laden in this climate, with Republicans calling for his impeachment. O'Neill says that Clinton wants bin Laden dead -- but not if he has to order it. "It's pathetic," he declares.

Back in Afghanistan, the operatives plan for the snatch job anyway, hoping for approval once it's clear they have their man. One night, they call Langley -- they are ready to get bin Laden, he is nearby. "Do we have clearance?" they ask. [National security adviser Sandy] Berger says he doesn't have authority, he would have to check, they're not all on "the same page."

A CIA official tells Berger the president has approved snatches in the past. Berger wonders about the quality of the intelligence. The CIA woman says it's never 100%. With that, Berger punts and asks [CIA director George] Tenet if HE wants to offer a recommendation to the president. Tenet asks: Why does the buck always stop with me, like with the Waco disaster?

At that point, Berger simply hangs up -- and the operatives abroad pack up and leave. [Ahmed Shah] Massoud [leader of the Northern Alliance] asks if they are "all cowards in Washington." Again there is an immediate cut to Clinton, parsing sexual terms in his taped testimony on the Lewinsky case -- and then a clip of him hugging Monica. (The New York Times story today -- see below -- notes that Clarke disputes much of this scenario.)

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Finally Clinton acts. Told that bin Laden is meeting in an isolated location in Afghanistan on Aug. 20, 1998, Clinton orders attacks there, as well as taking out a chemical arms factory in the Sudan. But the chemical warehouse turns out to be a pharmaceutical plant, and bin Laden escapes from the other attacks, only raising his stature among his followers. A reporter notes that Republicans and "pundits" are accusing Clinton of acting only to divert attention from the Lewinsky scandal.

E&P also contrasted the film's treatment of Clinton to that of Bush:

O'Neill, meanwhile, is thinking about quitting because "despite the red flags no one is taking terrorism seriously." But the script focuses on the CIA and FBI not sharing information, the FBI not acting on warnings about flight schools, and other slip-ups -- not any true lack of interest in the White House. O'Neill partly blames "political correctness."

Tenet complains that there are so many threats coming they are "overloaded," they need more analysts and translators, and more "actionable" tips. O'Neill quits and becomes head of security at -- the World Trade Center. Along the way we get subtle endorsements for the Patriot Act and airport profiling.

But what about the famous Aug. 6, 2001, "PDB" that warned the president about bin Laden's determination to strike within the U.S.? We see Secretary Rice reading it in private and looking concerned, but we never see the president's reaction.

However, on Sept. 4, 2001, Rice tells officials that thanks to the warnings in the PDB, the president is convinced al-Qaeda is a "real threat ... the president is tired of swatting flies." She seems to advocate taking some strong action and Clarke agrees, but Tenet argues against it. So in this telling, it appears that President Bush is in the vigilant/aggressive camp, perhaps thwarted by Clinton holdover Tenet.

Finally we see how this plays out tragically on Sept. 11, 2001. O'Neill dies inside the WTC. Much attention is given to the decision to shoot down United flight 93, but the movie's time frame now badly needs fixing given the recent revelations about what officials knew about that flight and when. The president, in any case, seems firmly in control, appearing on TV to promise help for all, and declaring, "terrorism against our nation will not stand."

Media Matters has identified four conservative media figures -- film blogger Govindini Murty, syndicated radio host Rush Limbaugh, Media Research Center president L. Brent Bozell III, and National Review Online contributor Andrew C. McCarthy -- defending The Path to 9/11 using almost identical language. The common themes among their praise of the film included:

  • Touting the film's "honesty" or "accuracy"
  • Defending the film as "nonpartisan"
  • Noting that Bush was in office for only eight months before the attacks

Murty, after viewing an advanced screening, wrote a glowing review of the film, which was posted on conservative websites such as Accuracy in Media and Human Events Online. Murty lauded "Nowrasteh and the producers" for going "out on a limb to honestly and fairly depict how Clinton-era inaction, political correctness, and bureaucratic inefficiency allowed the 9/11 conspiracy to metastasize." Murty continued, claiming that The Path to 9/11 "is not a partisan miniseries or a 'conservative' miniseries," and "is equally honest in depicting the Bush administration." Murty went on to note, however, that "since Bush was in power for only eight months when 9/11 occurred, he can hardly be blamed for the entire disaster."

McCarthy, in a September 4 entry on the National Review Online's weblog The Corner, similarly defended the film as a "generally good history" that "accurately conveys the excruciating missed opportunities." McCarthy also claimed: "It is not partisan. The Bush administration is portrayed as just as asleep-at-the-switch as the Clinton administration," adding: "The fact, though, is that Clinton had eight times as long as Bush to deal with this crisis, and his administration's performance was wanting."

On the September 5 broadcast of his nationally syndicated radio program, Limbaugh defended the film's content, saying: "I think the thing that struck me the most about the film -- and, by the way, I should tell you, Cyrus Nowrasteh, who wrote it, says he bases this on the 9-11 Commission Report, and in the opening credits it mentions this. And quite a lot of the movie does come from the 9-11 Commission Report." Limbaugh continued: "As for the Bush administration, they don't get off the hook here. They are not let off the hook. They, too, are portrayed as -- well, they're caught up and sort of hamstrung by the existing procedures that are in place. They haven't had a chance to change them, such as getting rid of the 'wall ' and this sort of thing." As Media Matters has noted, the suggestion that Clinton administration officials erected the so-called "wall" echoes a similar accusation popular among conservative media figures: that a 1995 policy, instituted by former deputy Attorney General Jamie Gorelick and former Attorney General Janet Reno, prohibited Defense Department officials from sharing with the FBI military intelligence purportedly identifying lead 9-11 hijacker Mohammed Atta. But as Media Matters has noted, the memo and guidelines in question merely clarified long-unwritten restrictions on the sharing of information between the FBI's intelligence arm and the Justice Department's criminal division.

Bozell, in his September 6 nationally syndicated column, did note that the film is not entirely factually accurate but minimized the extent to which it distorts the truth, writing that "it has taken certain poetic license with history." Bozell continued: "Both Clinton and Bush officials come under fire, and if it seems more anti-Clinton, that's only because they were in office a lot longer than the Team Bush before 9-11." Bozell added: "The film doesn't play favorites, and the Bush administration takes its lumps as well."

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    • Author by mefirst (September 06, 2006 8:10 pm ET)
         

      saying on sept. 4, 2001 that bush is convinced that "al qaeda is a real threat". that's odd because he told bob woodward in an interview that he was "not on point" about bin ladin prior to 9-11. in spite of what the commission noted were "more than 40 intelligence articles in the presidential daily briefings from jan. 20 to sept. 10, 2001, that related to bin ladin." page 254. note the very specific time frame identified.

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      • Author by crimson2 (September 06, 2006 11:30 pm ET)
           

        It's fiction. ABC sure has a liberal bias. I guess I won't be watching such great shows as....um...uh.....that one with the guy.

        Anyway, I've seen the end. Bush rides a unicorn into a remote pakistani village and drags BinLaden's corpse, Saddam's WMDs and 350,000 well-paying jobs out of a cave. Then a rainbow shoots out of his--well, I won't spoil it for you.

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    • Author by Blues_1776 (September 06, 2006 8:58 pm ET)
         

      That Rush Vicobaugh would come out in support of this film, it is his nature, to lie, he lied about his drug use, he lied about his viagra presrciption or his boyfriends, since it did not have his name on it. We all know that republicans are liars and today they flaunt it because their followers don't care. WTF happened to honesty in this country.

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      • Author by monkeyboyiv (September 06, 2006 9:31 pm ET)
           

        I just rewatched "V for Vendetta" last night and I'm getting chills. It's amazing how life imitates art and vice versa. In the movie, those in power made every point to twist any event into their favor.

        "Our job is to report the news, not fabricate it. That's the government's job."

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      • Author by HuntingtonBeachLefty (September 06, 2006 10:11 pm ET)
           

        I heard Rush giving this film an enthusiastic review about a week ago- while admitting he hadn't seen it yet because he hadn't upgraded his lair with a dvd player, and he couldn't hear it on computer speakers, what with the going deaf while hitting rock bottom with the drugs.

        I love this part;

        "As for the Bush administration, they don't get off the hook here. They are not let off the hook." (Limbaugh)

        Then he explains that they are shown to be "hamstrung", that they didn't have enough time to fix things after the Clinton Administration.Take that, George!

        This is like when Hannity criticizes Bush to show he's "fair and balanced". Usually points out something he did right. like compromising with somebody smarter than him, like a Dem in congress.

        "The fact, though, is that Clinton had eight times as long as Bush to deal with this crisis" (McCarthy)

        I like this one too, goes along with the "only 8 months in office" weasel.By the way, show of hands, who out there in cyberland has a job where you got to screw up 250 days into the job and blame it on the last guy?

        I'm going to resort to my beloved baseball analogy-

        My starting pitcher goes 8 innings and allows a couple base hits (Cole, WTC).

        I come in in the ninth and give up 3 grand slams in a row.I nominate myself for the MVP over the starter. He had 8 times as long as I did to deal with the other team.

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    • Author by steeve (September 06, 2006 9:21 pm ET)
         

      for reminding us how much that partisan witchhunt crippled the Clinton administration's ability to give undivided attention to the greatest threat to our nation.

      Oh, it won't come across that way? Okay...

      Anyway, some things to watch for... --Bush saying the word "terrorism" at any time before 9/11 --Clinton blaming Bush for the attacks --Anyone in 1998 labeling opponents of Clinton's strikes "unpatriotic"

      It's a different world now. Wonder if that has anything to do with the change in leadership.

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      • Author by nerzog (September 07, 2006 12:04 pm ET)
           

        Actually, I don't think Bush CAN say it...why else would they have adopted the asinine "War on Terror" talking point? My guess is that in the speech rehearsals, Bush kept stumbling over the words "terrorism" and "terrorists", so they went with the word he could handle.

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    • Author by mefirst (September 06, 2006 10:13 pm ET)
         

      the democratic national committee is accusing abc of "slander" of democrats before the election and calling this a "fraud". couldn't agree more.

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      • Author by pick of the litter (September 07, 2006 9:56 am ET)
           

        Tell Walt Disney president Robert Iger that you hold his company responsible -- and that this community demands that ABC tell the truth.

        [link to www.democrats.org]

        ABC has no broadcasting integrity to air this "mockumentary". The makers of this film have more concern with Republican reputation than accurate re-enactment and they cannot truthfully claim that the film is based on the 9-11 Commission Report. The example set by only allowing conservative reviewers a first look is a huge red flag.

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    • Author by jimpitt (September 06, 2006 10:41 pm ET)
         

      Where is the call for a boycott of the advertisers on this film? Come on! The right was able to pressure CBS in to dropping the Reagan biopic a few years ago; we need to bring the same pressure to bear on ABC.

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      • Author by Dem02020 (September 07, 2006 11:45 am ET)
           

        This is the time to talk about this infuriating "docu-drama", in the days before it's broadcast, and not after the fact.

        Just like the barn door that everybody's heard about... the one that some fool rushed to latch shut, after the horse had already got out.

        And talk helps, it does. I'm all for as many People talking as much as possible about this "docu-drama" BEFORE it airs.

        As far as the sponsors of this crap goes, there's no doubt you must list ABC (and their parent, Disney) as Number One.

        Number One with a bullet.

        But I will be watching this crap when it is broadcast, and I'll have paper and pencil at the ready...

        I don't care not one bit for the crap itself, and most likely will have the danged TV muted for most or all of it...

        It's the commercial breaks I'm interested in; that's when I take pencil in hand and watch intently; I want to know who it is that's going to sponsor this crap; I'll sort them out after the broadcast, as to who it appeared was Number Two and Three etc., behind Number One ABC-Disney...

        But I'll be writing all the names of all the sponsors down, just so as to know the names of what products and/or services to never ever buy again, and to bad-mouth at every opportunity.

        That's an important thing to do, in fighting against this crap "media"... it's the thing to do that immediately follows the talking stage:

        Boycott the sponsors.

        [And as for the sponsors of the attacks of September 11, 2001: I'll be interested to see how this "docu-drama" treats them; whether their name will even be mentioned, let alone their complicity "portrayed".]

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        • Author by pick of the litter (September 07, 2006 3:23 pm ET)
             

          when you get thru marking down all the sponsors who deserve a boycott for supporting this intentional distortion of history, as I will refuse to watch it (if it airs).

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          • Author by Dem02020 (September 07, 2006 4:16 pm ET)
               

            I may have been spared the trouble of noting what businesses will sponsor this tragic crap, as I've just read that "the five hour mini-series is set to run without commercial interruption"...

            I'd think that the lack of sponsorship was some kind of respect due any recollection of that day; but then I catch myself, and laugh...

            So ABC-Disney will go it alone, and attach their ever-rottening names to this piece of crap which serves as the latest evasion of any responsibility whatsoever, to the excuse-laden administration that failed tragically the lives of 3,000 Americans on September 11, 2001.

            ...excuse-laden, as in "how were we to connect the dots", "how were we to anticipate hijacked planes as missles", "why would the president think about or even read his PDBs", "how could we have stopped those terrorists, two of which lived in the home of an FBI informant", and my favorite:

            Why would anyone in the present administration keep "terrorists" out of this country, when they come here holding saudi passports and clutching "express visas", to murder Americans and propel this administration to a second term and unprecedented powers (and hundreds of billions of dollars for a "war on terror"), all by way of the unpunished actions of the president's "good friends" and business partners, the saudi "royal" murderous family.

            Actually, that's not an excuse I've heard... but it's still true nonetheless.

            And I'd just as soon guess that there will be no sponsors to this crap "docu-drama" (other than ABC-Disney that is), not because of any respect due to the memory of that tragic day, but because there are no businesses in America stupid enough to risk so much... attaching there names to just another of this administration's excuses for September 11, 2001...

            No other businesses that is, other than the evermore rotten ABC and Disney.

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    • Author by christmwar7214 (September 06, 2006 11:26 pm ET)
         

      I'd like a real definition of docudrama, because honestly I don't think its a word, or a true form of media. they say that it is factually true, and nonpartisan, if that was true, then the 9-11 commission and many other people have debunked and shown the incorrectness of not only the clinton part, but the whole movie being full of complete fabrications. Well I guess Nonpartisan to Rush means that it agrees with him, and I guess when he says honest, it may be Rush Limbaugh Honest (lies).

      I don't want to hear Docudrama, because honestly I don't think its a real word. absolutely disgusting, especially to show dishonest things like this on the aniversary of the day.

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    • Author by grhino (September 07, 2006 8:53 am ET)
         

      Funny how Michael Moore releases a movie with fictionalized scenes and numerous distortions and lies as a documentary (which it clearly isn't) and you guys applaud it and praise it...yet, now there is a movie being which is not being released as a documentary and is admitted it has fictionalized scenes, yet you guys are up in arms about it...

      just another example of liberal hypocrisy

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      • Author by dave_chicago (September 07, 2006 9:07 am ET)
           

        ----"just another example of liberal hypocrisy"----

        Oh there's plenty of hypocrisy all right. But-contrary to your claim-it's not coming from liberals.

        This was Disney's response to Moore's film at the time of its release:

        "The Walt Disney Company is blocking its Miramax division from distributing a new documentary by Michael Moore that harshly criticizes President Bush, executives at both Disney and Miramax said Tuesday... A senior Disney executive elaborated that the company had the right to quash Miramax's distribution of films if it deemed their distribution to be against the interests of the company. The executive said Mr. Moore's film is deemed to be against Disney's interests not because of the company's business dealings with the government but because Disney caters to families of all political stripes and believes Mr. Moore's film, which does not have a release date, could alienate many."

        In addition, Disney did not attempt to tie-in Moore's film to school lessons as they are planning to do with the upcoming "Path to 9/11".

        Furthermore, Moore's film was theatrically released-it was not broadcast on television.

        Lastly, Moore's film was not released as being "based on the 9/11 Commission Report", as "Path to 9/11" is claiming, dishonestly.

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      • Author by steeve (September 07, 2006 9:12 am ET)
           

        On the rare occasion that conservatives actually list the distortions in Moore's film, they turn out to be mostly complaints that the tone is impolite. That, or the fact that Moore didn't provide "balance" where none was claimed.

        His film isn't squeaky clean, but you'll have a dickens of a time compiling a list comparable to MM's list on this movie.

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        • Author by nerzog (September 07, 2006 12:10 pm ET)
             

          The accusations about Michael Moore's "inaccuracies" are just another Right Wing smear. If they say it often enough, they know that many people will believe it. For a while, they hung their hat on the thing about the Saudis being able to fly when everybody else was grounded. Turned out later that Moore had it right, but the Con Liars haven't quit saying it. Just like they keep dragging up WMDs and Saddam's ties to Al Queda. They're good at propaganda, if nothing else.

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      • Author by DRxJ (September 07, 2006 9:35 am ET)
           

        Funny how Michael Moore releases a movie with fictionalized scenes and numerous distortions and lies as a documentary

        Okay, please provide which movie had "fictionalized scenes" and also what facts were distorted. I'll give you until noon to come up with any (and I mean ANY) proof of lies. I'll also give you a hint...the majority of websites that claim to debunk Mr. Moore have been, well...debunked! Come back with facts, ol'Rhino one, or be delegated as an irrelevant troll!

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        • Author by grhino (September 07, 2006 11:41 am ET)
             

          ok, I'll give you the list..but I have lunch right now and don't have a free period until after lunch, so it won't be until 12:30 or so that I can get you that list...

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          • Author by Dem02020 (September 07, 2006 11:57 am ET)
               

            ...they'll be patiently waiting for your return, every poster who thinks these comment threads are in truth simply a chat-room for idiots.

            Your posts are that important, they're that much of a necessary addition to the items at this website; and every poster here at this website needs to devote as much of this comment thread as possible, to chatting and bickering with you.

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            • Author by grhino (September 07, 2006 12:29 pm ET)
                 

              Do I detect some sarcasm??

              Lyndsey Nagle: Do I detect a note of sarcasm? Professor Frink: (With sarcasm detector) Are you kidding? This baby is off he charts mm-hai. Comic Book Guy: A sarcasm detector, that's a real useful invention. (Sarcasm detector explodes)

              [link to www.lowb.org]

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      • Author by open_mind (September 07, 2006 11:12 am ET)
           

        Everyone who walks into a Michael Moore movie knows (or should know) what they are getting into. Moore's opinions are well known.

        ABC on the other hand is presenting a "docudrama" that is being touted as a truthful and accurate independent account of what happened, when several examples give evidence that is not at all true.

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      • Author by monkeyboyiv (September 07, 2006 11:18 am ET)
           

        When I heard that some of the material was manipulated and distorted in Moore's movie, I didn't go see the movie, nor will I rent it.

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        • Author by rendesign (September 07, 2006 1:05 pm ET)
             

          that the moon is made of green cheese. Do you believe that too? Why not try checking things out for yourself and forming your own opinions instead of relying on Rush Limbaugh to from them for you.

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      • Author by rendesign (September 07, 2006 1:00 pm ET)
           

        I doubt that you even saw the movie. You probably got your talking points from O'Reilly. Well... I'm waiting. Give me specific examples of things in Moore's DOCUMENTARY that were "made up" And be prepared to back it up if you can.

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    • Author by joanl (September 07, 2006 9:19 am ET)
         

      A total boycott of Disney including ABC, ESPN, the Disney Products. This is not the first time Disney has promoted Right wing lies. Rush Limbaugh working for ESPN, the anti Michael Moore talk.

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      • Author by monkeyboyiv (September 07, 2006 11:22 am ET)
           

        That'll be real easy in my house. I can just imagine myself trying to tell my daughters (ages six and four) that they can't watch the Disney Channel because daddy is protesting.

        So, since I put together a TV guide for several weekly newspapers, I'll just dedicate what space I have to slam ABC's decision to air this tripe.

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    • Author by joanl (September 07, 2006 11:24 am ET)
         

      If this doesnt make you angry , nothing will. This is an outrage.

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    • Author by rendesign (September 07, 2006 12:50 pm ET)
         

      ...since the Trade Center disaster so he can't be blamed for the whole thing. Unfortunatly he has been in office for five years since his pledge to "get the ones" responsible and last time I checked he hadn't done that. He's been in office for three and a half years since the start of the disaster in Iraq. Can we blame him for that?

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      • Author by Easy to refute wingnuts (September 07, 2006 12:56 pm ET)
           

        If the next President is a Democrat, then it will be the Democrat's fault.

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    • Author by IRONY 101 (September 07, 2006 1:19 pm ET)
         

      For the sake of entertaining story telling anyone producing a so-called docudrama is usually afforded some dramatic license in depicting actual events and apparently this was done in this production. However, the problem is that this film is billed as being based on the findings of the 9/11 Commission. Reportedly, some events depicted in the film are completely contrary to the findings of the 9/11 Commission... and, reportedly, the inaccuracies appear to be designed to place blame for 9/11 squarely on the Clinton administration. If dramatic license was taken to the extent that has been reported then the film should not be advertised as being based on the 9/11 Commission report. That is misleading and unfair.

      But what do you expect? The republicans control the House, the Senateand the White House... and to a growing extent, the media. If this film does distort facts, as has been reported, this strikes me as simply a Republican attempt to rewrite history. Not surprising at all...

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    • Author by grhino (September 07, 2006 1:19 pm ET)
         

      One thing to note; I should have included Bowling for Columbine in my original post because some of the things I am going to list here are from that movie

      F911 1) He refers to Katherine Harris the "vote-counter". That is false. Katherine Harris does not count votes or determine the validity of a vote; that is done by local (usually county) elections officials.

      2) Craig Unger says in the movie that total Saudi investment in the US is $863 billion (i forget the exact # off the top of my head) and that this represents 1/7th of all investment in the US. This is false. First, that figure appears nowhere in the 2 sources cited by Moore (i.e Unger in his book) and that figure only represents 1/7th of all foreign investment in the US much less all investment.

      3) He says George Bush was on vacation 42% of the time. That figure (from WaPo) includes weekends and time spent at Camp David meeting with foreign leaders as vacation time. Misleading and probably false.

      4) James Bath name was blacked out of George Bush's medical records from Alabama air force because of federal privacy laws---not because he was friends and a business partner of George W Bush (as Moore implies). Distortion.

      5) Moore implies that Bush is at a rich Republican fundraiser surrounded by rich people when he says "It's good to see you here tonite; the haves and the have-more's" However, Bush was the Al Smith Catholic Charities Dinner raising money for Cathlolic Charities (not for a political party or purpose). Al Gore was also at the same dinner seated 2 people away from George Bush. Mislead.

      Bowling for Columbine 1) Moore implies that the missle factory makes weapons of mass destruction used to destroy things, but it actually makes missles to launch satelittes into space.

      2) Moore shows a campaign ad saying "Willie Horton released. Then kills again." False, he raped a woman and assaulted her after being released. ALso, those words were not in the orignal ad, Moore inserts them but implies they were in the original ad. Thirdly, Moore says the ad was a Bush-Quayle campaign ad. It was not, it was an ad run by a 503c group (political action committee). The Bush-Quayle ad never mentioned Horton by name.

      3) Moore edits the footage of CHarleton Heston speaking at various NRA meetings. Right after talking about Denver and the annual meeting (which was scheduled to take place right after Columbine), he shows a clip of Heston says "From my cold dead hands." This clip is not from the Denver meeting though; it is from 1 year later in Charlotte. Moore is implying that Heston came to Denver and gave that callous insensitive remark in response to Columbine happening, but he did not.

      4) Moore says that the US gave $245 in aid to the Taliban in 2000 and 2001. Completely false, this is humanitarian given to citizens and distrubuted by UN and other non-governmental organizations.

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      • Author by IRONY 101 (September 07, 2006 1:45 pm ET)
           

        Michael Moore is a propogandist with an agenda. People should know to take what he says with a grain of salt. On the other hand, this so-called docudrama about 9/11 is billed as being based on the factual findings of the 9/11 Commission. It lends a false air of credibility to the film.

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      • Author by kevins (September 07, 2006 1:46 pm ET)
           

        1.) The reality is that Harris did everything she could to prevent a real vote count in the Florida election. Now she is getting snubbed by the very president she helped install.

        3.) Bush, the shrub, the twig has spent more time on vacation than any other president. FACT.

        4.) They were business partners in Arbusto Energy.

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        • Author by grhino (September 07, 2006 3:25 pm ET)
             

          1) Harris did not count votes. Harris did not sit and look at hanging chads for hours on end. That was local elections officials in Palm Beach (and other) counties. Harris did not decide votes were valid or invalid because they voted for more than 1 person for president. She certified the totals. She did not count them. End of Story.

          2) Yes under your misleading definition of "vacation". Going to Camp David to meet foreign leaders is not "vacation". Going to schools and businesses while you are on the ranch at Crawford is not "vacation" Maybe it is to you, but not to any normal person.

          4) "They were business partners in Arbusto Energy." So, what?? Just because you think that is the reason for the blackout and NOT because of federal privacy laws, doesn't mean THAT is the reason.

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          • Author by mefirst (September 07, 2006 6:18 pm ET)
               

            in 2001 was during the time the 9-11 commission said "the system was blinking red", refering to the level of terrorist threats. bush held no meetings, issued no orders, and totally ignored the threat.

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      • Author by rendesign (September 07, 2006 2:00 pm ET)
           

        Bush follows that staement with this, "some people call you the elite. I call you MY BASE." Furthermore if James Bath's name was omitted because of federal privacy laws then how did Michael Moore get his hands on it? And who cares if Katerine Harris is the "vote counter" or the Easter Bunny. That's a minor concern. The biggest critics of this movies suggested that major concerns such as flights out of the country for Saudis including member of the Bin Laden family when everyone else was grounded was a lie. We now know that it was true. Bush's failure to view National Security briefing material directly concerning terrorist attacks in the United States was reported as being "untrue" by FOX News. We now know that it was true. Bush's opposition to an independent and a congressional ivestigation of 9'11 was reported as not true when in fact it was true. These are are the things I'm more concerned with, not wheter a weekend at Camp David counts as a vacation. Is that the best you can do?

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        • Author by grhino (September 07, 2006 3:33 pm ET)
             

          "Furthermore if James Bath's name was omitted because of federal privacy laws then how did Michael Moore get his hands on it?"

          Who knows...probably got it illegaly somehow. the point is that Moore implies that his name was blacked out because they were friends and Bush was trying to hide that. While his name was actually blacked out because federal privacy laws required it...

          "And who cares if Katerine Harris is the "vote counter" or the Easter Bunny. That's a minor concern. "

          typical of you liberals. just how Bill Clinton didn't "lie" because he was talking about sex. A lie is a lie is a lie, it doesn't matter how miniscule or unimportant it is in your minds.

          "The biggest critics of this movies suggested that major concerns such as flights out of the country for Saudis including member of the Bin Laden family when everyone else was grounded was a lie. We now know that it was true. "

          So you admit that Moore was WRONG when he said that the Bin Ladens left before air traffic resumed for everyone else (they left after it was opened up)? Good to see you point out another falsehood in his movie.

          "Is that the best you can do?"

          Seeing as how you didn't dispute and therefore are admitting that my 9 distortions/falsehoods by Moore are true, then yes, that is the best I can do.

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          • Author by rendesign (September 07, 2006 4:12 pm ET)
               

            Read my statement again. It says that flights for Saudis including the bin ladens were approved while EVERYONE ELSE WAS GROUNDED. That is not an admission of anything. It is a statement of fact(i.e. on the record) WHILE EVERYONE ELSE WAS GROUNDED means before air traffic was reopened (for those of you who are functionally illiterate). Your response to my inquiry about how Moore got his hands on Bath's name was that you don't know which suggests to me that you're merely repeating it because you heard someone else say it. That seems to be where all your talking points are coming from so forgive me if I don't waste any more of my life trying to change your mind...YOU OBVIOUSLY DON"T HAVE ONE.

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            • Author by grhino (September 07, 2006 5:50 pm ET)
                 

              3 points

              1) first of all, your post did not say "that flights for Saudis including the bin ladens were approved while EVERYONE ELSE WAS GROUNDED. " Your post said "..such as flights out of the country for Saudis including member of the Bin Laden family when everyone else was grounded was a lie. "

              You did NOT use the word approved anywhere in your original post. The whole fact of the matter is that the flights did not happen until after air traffic resumed for EVERYONE. They may have been APPROVED before air traffic resumed, but the flights did not take place while air traffic was suspended for everyone else in the country (which is what Moore implies in the film and what you implied in your previous post).

              2) "Your response to my inquiry about how Moore got his hands on Bath's name was that you don't know which suggests to me that you're merely repeating it because you heard someone else say it."

              The point of discussion isn't where Michael Moore gets unredacted copies of someone's personal private medical records. That's another discussion for another day (funny also how you ACLU libs have no problem with Moore obtaining this private medical information--most likely illegally--yet we can't even get accurate flight watch lists because of privacy concerns--again another discussion for another day). The discussion is about the fact that Moore implies that the reason Bath's name is blacked out is because him and Bush were business partners. While the REAL reason for it was federal privacy laws. Why can't you understand that?

              3) "so forgive me if I don't waste any more of my life trying to change your mind..."

              There's nothing in my mind that needs to be changed. I mentioned that Moore distorts/misleads/lies. You challenged this assertion and I provided factual evidence to backup claim. You are the one whose mind it is impossible to change in the face of overwhelming evidence. I could give you 20 more examples of Moore's misleads/distorts/lies from his movies and you still would go to sleep at night thinking that Moore's movies are honest because of your ideological hatred of Bush/Republicans. You are the one telling me that I have no mind, yet you are the guy who claimed that your previous post said of approving the flights while everyone else was grounded and the word "approved" is nowhere in that post.

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      • Author by ChristianDemocrat (September 07, 2006 3:05 pm ET)
           

        ...though some are debatable. However, we digress. The subject is the existance of substantial inaccuracies in a program which is to be offered free on a major network, promoted to high-school students and billed as based on the factual findings of the 9/11 Commission. It's the classroom connection that concerns me most.

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    • Author by John the Elder (September 07, 2006 3:33 pm ET)
         

      This bunch of rightwing misfits are the same ones who screamed bloody murder when CBS was going to air a docudrama about the Reagan years. They stirred up a hornet's nest over that. What flaming hypocrites these scum are. They need to be exposed at every turn for their hypocrisy. Bozo-el if full of cow flop when he says that the media in this country has given "lumps" to the Bush administration. The only lumps they have given are lumps of money. Stuff it Bozo!

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