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Beck: "The Middle East is being overrun by 10th-century barbarians" and "[i]f they take over ... we're going to have to nuke the whole place"

September 13, 2006 5:01 pm ET

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On the September 12 edition of his CNN Headline News program, Glenn Beck said that "[t]he Middle East is being overrun by 10th-century barbarians" and "[i]f they take over ... we're going to have to nuke the whole place." Beck said the thought came to him at "5 o'clock in the morning" after hearing of the failed attempt by four armed men to storm the U.S. Embassy in Damascus, Syria. Beck added that the Syrian government is "no stranger in fighting terror" because, in the 1980s, when "the Muslim Brotherhood tried to overthrow the Syrian government," the Syrian government "basically slaughtered as many as 40,000 people." He then asked whether the Syrians had carried out the slaughter "because they're monsters that I just can't relate to or ... because that's the only way to defeat extreme evil, to wipe it out completely." He added that the Syrians are "not really the good guys," concluding: "I don't want to become the Syrians, but what are the other alternatives when you're dealing with people who won't stop. I mean, nothing will stop them until they kill you."

From the September 12 edition of CNN Headline News' Glenn Beck:

BECK: Did you see the attack on our embassy in Syria? The Middle East is being overrun by 10th-century barbarians. That's what I thought at 5 o'clock this morning, and I thought, "Oh, geez, what -- what is this?" If they take over -- the barbarians storm the gate and take over the Middle East (this is what I'm thinking at 5 o'clock in the morning) -- we're going to have to nuke the whole place.

Well, geez, I don't want to be thinking that. And I certainly don't want to get on national television and say it later. But as nuts as that sounds, here's why that insane thought went through my head today, and it's because I know about this much of the history of the Middle East.

Let me introduce you to some other insane thinkers. It's called the government of Syria. They are no stranger in fighting terror. In the 1980s, the Muslim Brotherhood tried to overthrow the Syrian government. How did the Syrian government respond? They basically slaughtered as many as 40,000 people. Nuts, right?

But here's what I was thinking this morning. Did they do that because they're monsters that I just can't relate to or are they doing that because that's the only way to defeat extreme evil, to wipe it out completely?

And remember, the Syrians -- not really the good guys in our scenario. I don't want to become the Syrians, but what are the other alternatives when you're dealing with people who won't stop. I mean, nothing will stop them until they kill you. And it's a pattern in the Middle East. Or at least it feels that way.

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    • Author by roundhouse (September 13, 2006 5:16 pm ET)
         

      we must kill as many people as we can. Yes evil master there is no alternative to killing all of them.

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    • Author by rusty shackleford (September 13, 2006 5:21 pm ET)
         

      The cable news networks are being overrun by 21st-century idiots and if they take over, we're going to have to nuke the whole place. What are the other alternatives when you're dealing with people who won't stop?

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    • Author by nerzog (September 13, 2006 5:31 pm ET)
         

      Is being taken over by people who believe that the Earth is only 6000 years old, that demons actually exist, and that Dinosaurs died out because they wouldn't fit on Noah's Ark. These people will destroy our country.

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    • Author by MickD (September 13, 2006 5:53 pm ET)
         

      Does this mean we have WMD?

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    • Author by Setir Copyh (September 13, 2006 6:22 pm ET)
         

      How is this misinformation? I was under the opinion that even pundits were allows to have thoughts and feelings. Thanks MMFA for another waste of time.

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      • Author by roundhouse (September 13, 2006 6:37 pm ET)
           

        Technically, it is misinformation. The Middle East is not being overrun by 1100 year old men.

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      • Author by therick (September 13, 2006 6:44 pm ET)
           

        I get tired of tearing up the old ones.

        Same old tired question--What doe's this have to do with misinformation.

        Conservatives should get a life.

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        • Author by Setir Copyh (September 13, 2006 10:24 pm ET)
             

          You asked the question. Are you going to answer it? Where is the "misinformation"?

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          • Author by leatherhelmet (September 14, 2006 1:45 pm ET)
               

            MMFA believes all the terrorists and suicide bombers are oppressed doctors and lawyers.

            Oppressed by right wing extremists like Glenn Beck.

            Look at all the wonderful technological advances by the Islamofascists --- headchopping equipment that doesn't run on electricity (saves the environment) and they are blowing up those horrible gas-eating SUVs using their own suicide bombers! What a wonderful culture of people.

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            • Author by open_mind (September 14, 2006 5:45 pm ET)
                 

              "MMFA believes all the terrorists and suicide bombers are oppressed doctors and lawyers.

              Oppressed by right wing extremists like Glenn Beck." --LeatherHelmetOnTooTight

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              When has MMFA said this? I missed it.

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      • Author by worrierking (September 13, 2006 6:56 pm ET)
           

        Beck is no pundit.

        The dictionary defines "pundit" as a learned person, an expert or an authority.

        Beck isn't any of these. he's a shock jock at best.

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        • Author by Setir Copyh (September 13, 2006 10:20 pm ET)
             

          "a person who gives opinions in an authoritative manner usually through the mass media." - Merriam Webster Online Dictionary.

          "a person who makes comments or judgments, esp. in an authoritative manner; critic or commentator." -Dictionary.com

          Nice try though. Can anyone here actually make a counter argument?

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          • Author by solon (September 15, 2006 9:40 am ET)
               

            The etymology of the word is the Sanskrit Pandit, literally learned man. Got crow?

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        • Author by Setir Copyh (September 13, 2006 10:23 pm ET)
             

          Moron: 1. a person who is notably stupid or lacking in good judgment. 2. Psychology. a person of borderline intelligence in a former classification of mental retardation, having an intelligence quotient of 50 to 69.

          Wow, words can have different meanings? I never knew.

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          • Author by worrierking (September 14, 2006 9:55 am ET)
               

            You seem to be more intelligent than everyone here.

            I don't know what came over me. I was using my poor excuse for logic to point out that Beck is not only a political lightweight but also an intellectual lightweight. He has one solution for everything. "Let's nuke them". That seems reasonable to me. Why is it always the ones who will never be anywhere near the violence that scream the loudest for blood?

            You can go back to your "Dungeons & Dragons" now.

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            • Author by Setir Copyh (September 14, 2006 11:19 am ET)
                 

              "Why is it always the ones who will never be anywhere near the violence that scream the loudest for blood?"

              Really?

              " . . . It is far better for anyone to kill a single American soldier than to squander his efforts on other activities."

              "We--with God's help--call on every Muslim who believes in God and wishes to be rewarded to comply with God's order to kill the Americans and plunder their money wherever and whenever they find it. We also call on Muslim ulema, leaders, youths, and soldiers to launch the raid on Satan's U.S. troops and the devil's supporters allying with them, and to displace those who are behind them so that they may learn a lesson."

              ``We are seeking to incite the (Islamic) nation to rise up to liberate its land and to (conduct) jihad (holy war) for the sake of God."

              “We love death. The US loves life. That is the difference between us two.”

              -Osama Bin Laden

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              "The wave of the Islamic revolution will soon reach the entire world. "

              “Anybody who recognizes Israel will burn in the fire of the Islamic nation's fury,”

              -Mahmoud Ahmadinejad

              Maybe Beck, like a lot of people, want to live without the constant death threats from the Islamic Fascists that rule the Middle East and brainwash their youth into strapping bombs to their chests.

              The battlefield is changing. We may see the day were a suicide bomber detonates inside a Starbucks. I hope and pray that it doesn't.

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              • Author by roundhouse (September 14, 2006 11:24 am ET)
                   

                Really? To whom?

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                • Author by Setir Copyh (September 14, 2006 11:31 am ET)
                     

                  I pray to God.

                  I know you may think it's stupid, but that's ok, my religion teaches me to have tolerance for those that believe differently than I do, even when they don't give the same treatment back.

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                  • Author by roundhouse (September 14, 2006 11:44 am ET)
                       

                    I think faith is stupid? Whatever.

                    You've shown how deeply your tolerance for others guides your heart. By extension you defended destroying an entire population and further lended creedance to the notion by quoting the hate speech of a fringe radical. You're a very tolerant, compassionate human being.

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                    • Author by Setir Copyh (September 14, 2006 11:52 am ET)
                         

                      I said you may think it's stupid.

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                      • Author by open_mind (September 14, 2006 5:50 pm ET)
                           

                        Of course, you may be throwing out a strawman to put him on the defensive in response to roundhouse question that may have put you on the defensive.

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                  • Author by rusty shackleford (September 14, 2006 11:44 am ET)
                       

                    ...my religion teaches me to have tolerance for those that believe differently than I do...

                    By nuking them?

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                    • Author by Setir Copyh (September 14, 2006 11:51 am ET)
                         

                      My religion says It's wrong to kill in general. But if someone had a gun to my wife's head, I would kill them in a heart beat.

                      Same applies to people trying to destroy us as a country. My religion also teaches me that I not perfect. God does not expect me to be perfect. I do the best I can given the circumstances.

                      I see were you're going. By simply saying that because I believe in God, doesn't mean that I let anybody walk all over me without consequence. Our petty words in a chatroom, or even Beck on his show are meaningless.

                      The threat of a religion threatening to rule over us, and murder those that don't agree with them is not meaningless to me. Nor is someone holding a gun to my wife's head.

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                      • Author by rusty shackleford (September 14, 2006 11:57 am ET)
                           

                        The threat of a religion threatening to rule over us, and murder those that don't agree with them is not meaningless to me.

                        Do you honestly believe that there is a meaningful threat of the U.S. being ruled over by an Islamic theocracy?

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                        • Author by Setir Copyh (September 14, 2006 12:08 pm ET)
                             

                          Germans have any idea that Nazi's would take over Germany? You realize that at the time of us enter World War II, the majority of Americans thought we should keep out of it? That Hitler would just fade away?

                          These things don't just happen over night. But they have a real slick way of happening while everyone else bickers about what to do about it.

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                          • Author by nerzog (September 14, 2006 12:21 pm ET)
                               

                            But Germany was taken over from within. Big difference.

                            If you're afraid of Religious fanatics taking over the country, look no further than your own Republican party. They're doing it right now.

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                          • Author by rusty shackleford (September 14, 2006 12:23 pm ET)
                               

                            Did the Germans have any idea that Nazi's would take over Germany? You realize that at the time of us enter World War II, the majority of Americans thought we should keep out of it? That Hitler would just fade away?

                            I know what you're saying. You're comparing Ahmadinejad to Hitler. But every world leader that spouts crazy rhetoric doesn't turn into Hitler, and all-out war isn't the only way to deal with them. Kruschev threatened to "bury" the West and the Soviet Union now exists only in the history books.

                            These things don't just happen over night. But they have a real slick way of happening while everyone else bickers about what to do about it.

                            Okay. What do we do?

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                          • Author by nerzog (September 14, 2006 12:39 pm ET)
                               

                            It's nearly impossible for an Atheist to get elected to national office in the U.S.; you think a Muslim would do much better?

                            Don't fret, we're safe from swarthy non-Christian Presidents for now...I see a long line of pasty-faced rich Christian chief executives stretching into the foreseeable future.

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                          • Author by solon (September 15, 2006 9:50 am ET)
                               

                            Most Germans knew very well the Nazis were taking over their country. Did you think they were a stealth political party? They didnt come to power with a military coup you know.

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                      • Author by solon (September 15, 2006 9:48 am ET)
                           

                        You quoted a couple of nutbags and that means an entire religion is threatening to rule over us and murder those who dont agree????? AHH no. Al Queda is a huge threat. Islamic extremist terrorists and some of their fundamentalists bretheren are a threat NOT Islam. I have a koran its not a book of hatred and bigotry. I know Islamic people they are not nutbags. One of them is among the most generous and God loving people I have ever met. Equating the two. Extremist nutbags and the religion itself is making the age old mistake of blaming the message for the messenger. Hitler was a Catholic, it doesnt mean Catholics are evil. Rios Montt was among the 20th Centuries worst butchers killing at least 50,000 in his 18 months in office another Catholic doesnt mean Christianity is to blame. Lets stop trying to make this into a Holy War, it doesnt have to be and its not in the best interest of America nor the world.

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              • Author by rusty shackleford (September 14, 2006 11:27 am ET)
                   

                Maybe Beck, like a lot of people, want to live without the constant death threats from the Islamic Fascists that rule the Middle East and brainwash their youth into strapping bombs to their chests.</>

                Clearly, the only way to do that is to "nuke the whole place." Makes perfect sense.

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                • Author by rusty shackleford (September 14, 2006 11:28 am ET)
                     

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                • Author by Setir Copyh (September 14, 2006 11:34 am ET)
                     

                  If we were in real threat of the Caliphate taking over would you do whatever it takes to preserve your right to live?

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                  • Author by rusty shackleford (September 14, 2006 11:40 am ET)
                       

                    Also speaking hypothetically, if the Martians were invading I'd do the same thing.

                    Your Caliphate hypothetical is only marginally more likely.

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                    • Author by Setir Copyh (September 14, 2006 11:43 am ET)
                         

                      So you agree with Beck.

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                      • Author by rusty shackleford (September 14, 2006 11:50 am ET)
                           

                        So you agree with Beck.

                        No, Beck says that the Middle East is being overrun by 10th-century barbarians, and that if these barbarians take over the Middle East then we will have to nuke it.

                        I may have misread your hypothetical, but I thought you were referring to an absorption of the U.S. into a Caliphate, which of course would have to be resisted strongly (although I'm not sure about nukes).

                        Perhaps you only meant the hypothetical Caliphate extending across the Middle East, to which I would reply, so what?

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                        • Author by rusty shackleford (September 14, 2006 11:52 am ET)
                             

                          extending only across the Middle East.

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                        • Author by Setir Copyh (September 14, 2006 11:59 am ET)
                             

                          My lines have run together, becuase most of what Beck has talked about pertains to the formation a Muslim state. He is implying that the formation of such a state emcompassing the Middle East would mean they would have an enormous strength. More than enough to say, take over the United States?

                          We sure haven't gotten any backup from our "Allies". Who would China and Russia side with under those circumstances. I don't think that's an unreasonable thing to fathom. I don't believe it will get that far, becuase the moderate muslim still overshadows the fringe extremists. But look how things hafe progressed in the Middle East since the 70's. It's not reassuring.

                          I think what you may be missing (I could be wrong) is that by extension, the encompassing of the Middle East into a singular muslim reign would have dire consequences, and could lead to the formation of the Caliphate. Sharia law isn't something I want to live under.

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                          • Author by rusty shackleford (September 14, 2006 12:12 pm ET)
                               

                            Let's assume Beck means what you say he means: that the fear is of a unified Middle Eastern state living under Sharia law.

                            My first thought is, how bloody likely is that? The Middle East isn't a homogenous place despite the fact that they all look alike to folks like Beck. While there are surely extremists in the ME, I don't think enough of the people there would go for such a unified backasswards state. The quickest way that would change would be if the U.S. started expanding the war.

                            Second, if that threat actually began to materialize, there would be plenty of support for opposing it. It's just too far-fetched right now.

                            Third, cartoonish rhetoric like Beck's is counter-productive. If we want the people in the ME to not be extremists - in other words, to be more like us - then our public figures should stop sounding like insane, hateful idiots.

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                            • Author by Setir Copyh (September 14, 2006 12:22 pm ET)
                                 

                              However, when a country like Iran controls as much power as it does, and has a nice way knocking off the people that oppose them, while making death threats to the West, what convinces you that it's so unlikely to happen?

                              I agree that at this point it's not likely, but there needs to be change in the Middle East. I'm not suggesting an expansion of the war, but we need to help the moderate muslims there know that if they want to take back control over people that will kill us both just the same, we'll fight for them.

                              Unfortunately, I don't see any voices there speaking out. That's mostly out of fear of being murdered. I know everyone hates the Nazi comparisons, but it's so true. The same thing is happening in Iran and other places throughout the ME.

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                              • Author by rusty shackleford (September 14, 2006 12:41 pm ET)
                                   

                                However, when a country like Iran controls as much power as it does, and has a nice way knocking off the people that oppose them, while making death threats to the West, what convinces you that it's so unlikely to happen?

                                Other than Iraq, who has Iran warred with? Other than intemperate rhetoric, what belligerence have they shown towards the West? How much power do they actually control?

                                I agree that at this point it's not likely, but there needs to be change in the Middle East. I'm not suggesting an expansion of the war, but we need to help the moderate muslims there know that if they want to take back control over people that will kill us both just the same, we'll fight for them.

                                Are you suggesting the U.S. openly advocate for a revolution, coup, or civil war in Iran, and promising support for anti-government forces? Putting aside the inherent problems of even making that suggestion openly, I note that those things have a nasty way of not working out like we'd hoped.

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                                • Author by Setir Copyh (September 14, 2006 12:53 pm ET)
                                     

                                  So what do we do? Just let it play out? You said yourself that not everyone turns into Hitler. But what if it does? What if the same thing happens in Iran, that happened in Germany. The suppression has already begun. Iran controls the media. There is basically no freedom there. Iran has already mentioned that the US has no use, and that it will burn for supporting Israel. So why not show our support for the Iranian people, the majority of which don't support Ahmadinejad.

                                  Revolutions can work. I remember reading about one in my history books long ago. Something about the formation of an independent America.

                                  I think a coup at this point is the only thing that has a fraction of a chance at working. Otherwise, we will have to use military force in the future. Near future, maybe not, but time will tell.

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                                  • Author by rusty shackleford (September 14, 2006 1:01 pm ET)
                                       

                                    So what do we do? Just let it play out?

                                    Yes. That doesn't mean we don't participate and attempt to alter the course of events by diplomacy, sanctions, whatever. But military action against Iran at this point would be immoral and foolish.

                                    I think the U.S. engineering a coup in Iran, against a popularly-elected government, would inevitably backfire. Iran is not the 13 colonies. Our revolution came from within, not without. And it is telling that you had to go back 230 years to find a success story.

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                                    • Author by Setir Copyh (September 14, 2006 1:09 pm ET)
                                         

                                      You make it sounds like Iran had free elections.

                                      To call Iran's government a "popularly elected", is a little more than twisted. We can both agree that if Pat Robertson chose the candidates to run for election, someone will inevitable get votes and win. The same happens in Iran.

                                      You have to break the cycle sometime. The people want to, but they can't without help.

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                                      • Author by rusty shackleford (September 14, 2006 2:20 pm ET)
                                           

                                        You seem very sure that Iranians want to overthrow their leaders. How do you arrive at this conclusion?

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                                    • Author by Setir Copyh (September 14, 2006 1:10 pm ET)
                                         

                                      I have enjoyed this much. Unfortunately I have work to do now.

                                      Good day all!

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                              • Author by nerzog (September 14, 2006 12:44 pm ET)
                                   

                                Saddam Hussein acted as a balance against Iran's domination of the Middle East, but...oh crap...we took him out, and now Iraq is descending into a tribal civil war that will eventually divide the country into three feuding fiefdoms. Way to go, George!

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                                • Author by Setir Copyh (September 14, 2006 12:56 pm ET)
                                     

                                  Great at balancing the balance of the Middle East, whilst murdering hundreds of thousands of innocent civilians! What a great man!

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                                  • Author by roundhouse (September 16, 2006 5:15 pm ET)
                                       

                                    your argument rings hollow. The American led occupation has killed upwards of 30,000 innocent Iraqi civillians. Were you truly concerned for innocent Iraqis the death of even one civillian in your name would sicken your soul.

                                    Should Saddam have been allowed to flourish? Of course not; however, democracy begins organically from within a nation. Supporting a revolution by the Iraqi people is the more feasible solution. A solution, by the way, which happened to be thwarted by American corporate interests and arrogance.

                                    If you believe that the war and subsequent occupation of Iraq had any altruistic intent, then you are saddly working overtime to ignore reality. This venture had everything to do with intimidating the world and displaying American military might.

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                              • Author by open_mind (September 14, 2006 5:17 pm ET)
                                   

                                "I'm not suggesting an expansion of the war, but we need to help the moderate muslims there know that if they want to take back control over people that will kill us both just the same, we'll fight for them." --Setir Copyh

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                                You seem to be unaware that Iran's leader is democratically elected. There is no need to "fight for them". Regime change can happen in Iran peacefully. Do you think the US should choose everyone's leaders for them? Even the ones that already provide a mechanism for peaceful change?

                                Iranians have elected a hard-line leader because they feel threatened and are reacting to the US presence in two neighboring countries.

                                It would be much easier to encourage the "moderates" in Iran if they weren't currently scared to death by us already. It also doesn't help the situation at all with nutjobs like Beck spreading the "let's nuke 'em" propaganda. I'm sure that will really win over their "moderate" voters.

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                                • Author by Setir Copyh (September 14, 2006 10:30 pm ET)
                                     

                                  How can a regime change when the people have no power to select who runs for President.

                                  Calling the twisted system they use to elect the President in Iran "Democrat" is awfully sick.

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                          • Author by solon (September 15, 2006 10:06 am ET)
                               

                            The entire Middle East could become one Islamic united force overnight (actually this magical genie-out-of-a-bottle hypothetical is the most likely way for it TO happen) and they STILL wouldnt be nearly strong enough to threaten the US. Which of those nations has a great Navy? Thats right NONE of them which has a great Air Force capable of airlifting a couple hundred thousand people into the US in the teeth of OUR Air Force? Actually that Air power exists NO WHERE IN THE WORLD much less the middle east. Your fantasy about a United Arab Middle East even were it to become true would STILL not threaten the US beyond increased terrorism, a takeover of the US is a paranoid fantasy that cannot withstand one seconds scrutiny. Did you think they were going to build papyrus rafts and float a few hundred thousand crazed killers across the Atlantic?

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                  • Author by redking75687 (September 15, 2006 2:08 am ET)
                       

                    We're not in any way, shape or form threatened by this Caliphate that does not exist. It's like trying to drag up a ressurection of the Austro-Hungarian Empire as a threat in 2006. It's not there!

                    The entire theme of militant Islam since the 18th century has been resistance to European colonial powers, starting with the French and Napoleon's conquest of Egypt in 1798. Their once independent nations fell one by one to French, British, Spanish, and Italian bayonets. There was a revival of religion, a lot of people praying for freedom at once. It lead to militancy, guerilla warfare, and in the most desperate of cases, terrorism. These are anti-colonial struggles at core.

                    You should try reading a book on Arab history. You'll see how long the Caliphate has been dead. The Ottomans made it worthless when it passed to their sultans.

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                • Author by Setir Copyh (September 14, 2006 11:36 am ET)
                     

                  Daeht Ihs? Heh.

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                  • Author by rusty shackleford (September 14, 2006 11:42 am ET)
                       

                    Daeht Ihs? Heh.

                    It took a while, but I finally cracked your cryptonomenclature. Had a speck of fun with it there.

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              • Author by worrierking (September 14, 2006 11:45 am ET)
                   

                Will dropping a nuclear weapon on everyone solve the problem of a suicide bomber? You're not making any sense. Neither is Beck. There is no danger of anyone taking over this country from the outside. We've already been taken over by the PNAC internally. Their program has enabled hate merchants like Beck to flood the airwaves with this nonsense that you've bought into.

                If Beck, and you, are so concerned with the state of world affairs, the only way to back up your words is with actions. Beck is just over the cutoff age for the military. Like all of those on the right who advocate war, Beck has never served himself. He does a disservice to everyone in our military who is fighting this war by showing the rest of the world that America can hate with the best of them. We'll answer hate with more hate. Every day, there are more people lined up to kill American service personnel because of hate mongers like Beck.

                If you want war, then you can get your fill. Sign up or shut up!

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                • Author by Setir Copyh (September 14, 2006 12:05 pm ET)
                     

                  Is military service your sole determination for being able to express a viewpoint?

                  If so then you are a sick bastard. Maybe you served. If so, thank you, you're not the only one. If not, don't disrespect the rest of those that gave their lives in wars of present and past, so that we can express our opinions freely.

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                  • Author by worrierking (September 14, 2006 12:35 pm ET)
                       

                    But I'm tired of seeing other people suffer because some TV tough guy thinks someone else should be fighting a war that the media person is pushing.

                    You seem to forget that this thread started because Beck thinks we should nuke someone. And you think I'm the sick bastard?

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      • Author by deeznuts (September 13, 2006 10:54 pm ET)
           

        your comment is merely another rephrasing of the "it's just his opinion" canard.

        Since it would be very easy to prove that the Middle East is NOT being "run by 10th century barbarians", Beck's statement is not his opinion, it is misinformation.

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        • Author by Setir Copyh (September 14, 2006 11:41 am ET)
             

          people who authorize stoning for women to be barbarians. Maybe you embrace this treatment. I do not.

          "Under Shari'a law, during a stoning women are placed in a deep pit and covered with dirt, leaving only the shoulders and head exposed. Members of the community are then called on to throw rocks at her until she dies. The stones are required to be a specific size so that they not large enough to kill her quickly but not so small that they fail to cause severe pain and fatal injuries."

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          • Author by open_mind (September 14, 2006 5:41 pm ET)
               

            "Maybe you embrace this treatment. I do not. " --Setir Copyh

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            If you ever put this line in a post, it is a general indicator that a strawman is present. And what do you know? It is.

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          • Author by redking75687 (September 15, 2006 2:25 am ET)
               

            And forcing women to give birth by banning abortion is......?

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      • Author by dave_chicago (September 14, 2006 12:13 am ET)
           

        ---"How is this misinformation?"---

        On CNN's Glenn Beck web page it reads:

        "[Beck's] show will be ...delivered in Beck's humorous, self-deprecating style."

        What in the world is "humorous" and "self-deprecating" about Beck saying "The Middle East is being overrun by 10th-century barbarians"?

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      • Author by rusty shackleford (September 14, 2006 9:21 am ET)
           

        Pundits are allowed to have thoughts and feelings.

        We continue to await Beck having either.

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    • Author by holly (September 13, 2006 6:54 pm ET)
         

      Why does Beck hate the troops? Such hyperbole puts the troops in greater peril.

      And why does Beck hate America? Such hyperbole puts America in greater peril.

      As far as Setir Copyh's waste of time, brush the donut crumbs from your tum-tum and the dust from your brain and listen up: it's misinformation when you reduce millions of people that you don't know to "monsters." It's misinformation when you apply a reductive analysis where nuking is your only option.

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    • Author by holly (September 13, 2006 7:33 pm ET)
         

      (I was trying to type the sound of a bad dog whining for the love and loss of a bone.)

      Now, this bad dog is trying to stand on her hind legs and do the Nazi salute with her right paw.

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      • Author by snoopy (September 13, 2006 7:58 pm ET)
           

        good little dogs that have a nasty habit of getting shot because of displaced hips.

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    • Author by j0hnwi11iams (September 13, 2006 7:42 pm ET)
         

      As another ignorant goon jockeys for the lead.

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    • Author by west1 (September 13, 2006 8:07 pm ET)
         

      to commit war crimes. That way, when we torture, when we use or supply other countries with cluster bombs, when we use phosphorus as a weapon, when we use nuclear weapons (perhaps bunker busters), we can justify in our own minds. Beck is a high paid spokesman for CNN executives hidden behind the corporate cloak pushing the neocon agenda.

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      • Author by Christie (September 15, 2006 9:23 am ET)
           

        I emailed CNN protesting Beck's irrational rant, saying in part, "CNN is grossly irresponsible to give airtime to anyone who advocates nuking a whole place, a whole group of people. Surely you can replace him and his program with someone of integrity, deep insight into world affairs and an understanding of how and why Intelligence, police action and diplomacy are what is needed at this time." CNN executives may have a Neocon agenda, but I feel sure that includes concern for the bottom line. If enough people indicate they won't be watching Beck's program, the advertisers fall away and I am sure the CNN executives care greatly about their revenue.

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    • Author by TheyWanttoKillUs (September 13, 2006 11:08 pm ET)
         

      Ok, is this supposed to sound controversial? You're telling me that if Muslim extremists take over the Middle East we shouldn't kill them all before they kill us? Liberals don't seem to understand that the way to win wars is by killing your enemies, not accepting them.

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      • Author by worrierking (September 14, 2006 9:58 am ET)
           

        See you at the enlistment office, pal. Let us know how you like the military life.

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        • Author by rusty shackleford (September 14, 2006 10:32 am ET)
             

          That's the beauty of "nuking" your enemies. Unlike fighting, which is scary and takes guts, "nuking" is done from thousands of miles away by some guy or gal sitting at a computer.

          I'll leave it to you to speculate why the chickenhawks are so fond of saying "let's nuke them" as opposed to "let's fight them."

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      • Author by roundhouse (September 14, 2006 10:26 am ET)
           

        You have a fundamental misunderstanding the situation. You assume since libs don't become sexually aroused by genocide they are then 'soft' on terrorism. What an oversimplified view you have.

        Terrorists are thug criminals that do not deserve to be legitimized as military combatants, but if you want to embolden them by conferring military worthiness upon them by all means go ahead. Do not presume to dictate our beliefs to us.

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      • Author by nerzog (September 14, 2006 11:11 am ET)
           

        It must be comforting to have such a simplistic world view. Them bad, us good, us kill them. Yeah, that worked pretty well 30,000 years ago, but things are a bit more complicated now. For the Muslim extremists to become such a threat that we'd have to nuke them, they would have to take over numerous major countries, build modern armies, etc. Of course, China would have to just sit there and watch while all of this happens. You think they're going to do that? They need the oil worse than we do.

        Get real. Take your meds.

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      • Author by solon (September 15, 2006 10:24 am ET)
           

        Yes lets kill 100 million people or so because they MIGHT decide to kill us. While you are at it I think I saw your nieghbor look funny at you, better kick down his door and kill him, then his wife and family so they dont come after you later, then your other nieghbors, you know just in case. By the way according to YOUR logic they ought to have the right to KILL YOU since you have publicly stated that you want to kill them. So many conservative nutbags so few brain cells

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    • Author by Rsw58 (September 14, 2006 12:19 am ET)
         

      Beck spends an incredible amount of time on his show being hysterical over the supposed "Moslem Menace". He talks about we here in the US will lose our freedom via the onslaught of the wild-eyed Islamic hordes that are coming over the horizon. Yes indeed it's panic time everybody! And only George W. Bush can save us! It's pure, idiotic claptrap. Prior to the war in Iraq Bozo Beck was saying that Saddam was just like Hitler and if we didn't stop him he would give terrorists nukes to kill us! Now his big thing is saying that Iran is just like Nazi Germany and if we don't stop them now they will give terrorists nukes to kill us! What a moron! Unfortunatily there are too many wingnuts out there who hang on his every word.

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    • Author by mjh (September 14, 2006 2:10 am ET)
         

      . . . Glenn, did you happen to be exiting a bar at the time?

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    • Author by cpinva (September 14, 2006 8:25 am ET)
         

      left, anywhere, they're all dead, still. misinformation item #1. not a matter of opinion, a matter of fact.

      the middle east isn't even being overrun by 21st century barbarians. another fact.

      the syrians didn't "basically slaughter 40,000 people". misinformation item #2. again, not a matter of opinion, a matter of fact.

      had he prefaced it all with "in my opinion", or "i think", than it would have been stating his opinion. as it is, he made those statements as fact. the mean people among us would call them lies. but i'm not mean, so i'll just call them stupid.

      shall i go on setir?

      geez, is that the best you can come up with? i think you're definition of "moron" was apt.

      it's become clearer, as time has gone on, that the alcohol rehab program mr. beck attended, didn't work.

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      • Author by Setir Copyh (September 14, 2006 12:44 pm ET)
           

        The Middle East is being taken over by barbarians. By extension of your views, you condone the behavior of the Syrian government murdering tens of thousands of muslims after their attempted take over.

        If I wasn't so sure that you actually believe this, I would followed it up with something like: What would you say if Liberals stormed the Whitehouse in an attempt to take over the country, and Bush had every Liberal murdered?

        Should I go on?

        The Syrians did slaughtered tens of thousands of people, the actual number is unknown, but somewhere around 30,000 seems close. 40,000 wouldn't be unimaginable.

        He show is one giant opinion. Have you ever watched it? It's supposed to be his opinion. Do you think CNN HN, pays him to read off their news headlines. Of course not. Do you think MSNBC pays Keith Olbermann to read their headlines? No! They are both paid to pander to bring in an audience because they have an opinion. And people love listening to other peoples' opinons.

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    • Author by Blueneck (September 14, 2006 12:21 pm ET)
         

      Secretary of the Air Force Michael Wynne has suggested that non lethal weapons such as high powered microwave cannons be tested on American civilians before using them in the battlefield.

      [link to www.cnn.com]

      Maybe he and Beck could get together and come up with a plan for test-nuking protesters in "Free Speech" Zones at the next anti-Bush rally. That way we could scientifically determine the difference between lethal and non-lethal force. Yeah--now there is a plan that Beck could get on board with. How much crazier are these guys going to get before their heads start exploding?

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      • Author by redking75687 (September 15, 2006 12:14 pm ET)
           

        High power microwave guns. I've read of them already, they cook you, just like the oven. Microwaves heat up water, human is 70% water. It boils your blood in the veins, destroys eyes, literally cooks organs and muscle... it's lethal as hell. It's a lie to call it non-lethal. This Secretary is advocating testing death rays on US?! Why is he not being arrested for treason?

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