Savage accused former page of "gay-baiting" Foley and added: "Maybe he's a Democrat"
On the October 2 edition of his nationally syndicated radio show, Michael Savage responded to allegations that former Rep. Mark Foley (R-FL) sent sexually explicit messages to former congressional pages by declaring that "the kid was leading him on" and was "gay-baiting" Foley. Savage also called the page a "sleazeball" and "a greedy, aggressive child" who "went to Washington to get ahead" and "knew how to play a congressman who was gay on the gay theme." Savage also stated, "I don't know whether the boy exists," but that if he does, "[m]aybe he's a Democrat."
Additionally, Savage asserted that Foley's resignation "has everything to do with gays" and that "[i]t proves why homosexuals cannot be trusted in sensitive positions." Savage also claimed that "the gay mafia has so much power" and "is the secret hand of censorship in this country" and stated: "The gays have always said, 'Now, Michael Savage, don't confuse homosexuality with pedophiles. We never, never molest children.' All right, tell that walking." Savage has previously referred to the "homosexual mafia," as Media Matters for America has documented. On the September 27 edition of his radio show, he lauded a Washington Times employee who allegedly solicited a 13-year-old girl for sex as a "normal pervert" who "should get a reward that it wasn't a boy," as Media Matters also noted.
From the October 2 edition of Talk Radio Network's The Savage Nation:
SAVAGE: Now, the kid himself, we don't know who it is. "The kid, the kid. All of a sudden, he's a boy, 16 years old." I read the emails back and forth. As I said to you, there's no excuse for Foley. You know, don't put me in a position of defending him because it's indefensible. He did it to my kid, I guarantee you, when the kid was that age, I would've, I would've been unhappy, let's put it to you that way. OK. But the kid was leading him on. I mean, this kid was leading him on. You know what I'm saying? You read these things. Who is the kid? Maybe he's a Democrat. Maybe it's a -- I don't know who it is. Is there a real kid? I could argue that the age of consent is 16 in Washington, he really didn't have sex, that it's not illegal to actually have sex with a 16 year-old, but it's illegal to write an email suggesting sex, to show you how crazy America is. I mean, there are other observations to be drawn here, like, the boy was playing along with Foley, the deviant. And it's all part of the American obsession with sex, which it is.
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SAVAGE: It also proves, and it's a hard thing for me to say to you because I know it's the third rail of talk radio, because they control the media. It proves why homosexuals cannot be trusted in sensitive positions as, by the way, was the basic undertone and law in the CIA and FBI for a -- until the 1960s. They wouldn't hire overt homosexuals because they knew that homosexuals could be blackmailed and seduced too easily. They were weak, in other words. That's the way it was seen by your father's generation or your grandfather's generation. Now that's all been swept under the rug and your brain has been washed so many times that you actually think that gay men are stronger than straight men, because they are in touch with their feminine side. Number two, the Democrats have been preaching that gay is good for 20 years now. The Dems are for gay marriage. So now, all of a sudden, they're in a difficult position when you think about it. They don't know what to do because by attacking Foley, they're attacking gay men. And you want to hear the other horror here for the gay movement? G-g-g-g-gay movement. You want to hear what's terrible for the g-g-gay movement here? The gays have always said, "Now, Michael Savage, don't confuse homosexuality with pedophiles. We never, never molest children." All right, tell that walking.
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SAVAGE: And they slime Foley, a homosexual. And by the way, you know what's staring us all right in the face is that he's a homosexual. Right in our face. And nobody in the media will talk about homosexuality and boys. That's like, "Oh my God, you can't talk about that. It has nothing to do with gays." Yes, it does. This has everything to do with gays.
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SAVAGE: Now, I don't know whether the boy exists. The boy sounds like a sleazeball to me, by the way, for playing along and -- you know, it's a little bit of gay-baiting, incidentally. You want to get into this? You want to go two ways on this one? I'll go every which way because I gotta kaleidoscopic mind. This kid was baiting him. This kid was playing with him, he's no innocent kid. This kid went to Washington to get ahead, let's be very clear. I'm not going to make dirty jokes now because I could if I was on the stage, because the audience wants it, and I know how to play the audience, but it's radio. He went to Washington to get ahead. So he's a greedy, aggressive child from a family that was pushing him already like a stage mother. All right, so he knew how to play a congressman who was gay on the gay theme. Let's be clear. We're grown-ups here. And that has to be discussed. What, all of a sudden 16 is a boy? First of all, boy is not 16.
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SAVAGE: It's a hands-off thing on gays. They are the untouchables of the political world. And that is because the gay, the gay movement has so much power and so much money that nobody will say one word about the issue of gayness here in the whole situation. That's my opinion. It is staring us in the face. The man is gay, he has a thing with boys, and you're not talking about the fact that he was gay and he had a thing with boys. You're talking around the subject. That should tell you something unto itself, in my opinion. Now, I have paid the price for speaking out on that issue, as you well know. And I am sure I will continue to pay the price for speaking out on that issue. And that's a sad commentary that the gay mafia has so much power over the advertising industry, that the gay mafia has so much power over the television industry, that the gay mafia has so much power over the movie industry, that the gay mafia has so much power over the newspaper industry, that the gay mafia is the secret hand of censorship in this country. While talking against censorship, they are the censors. Seattle, Washington. Jim, you're on The Savage Nation.
CALLER: Yeah, Mike, there's another element here, and that's gay nepotism. Not only do the gays control everything, they don't hire you. Once the gays get in, that's all they hire is gays. The government is infected with it. What's occurring right now is if you're gay, you get to get medical insurance on the government for your live-in lover, doesn't have to be your husband or wife --
SAVAGE: Right. And you could have Bob today, and tomorrow it could be Tommy, and three months later it could be Harry. And a year later, it could be Sam.
This guy, and his listeners, are seriously deluded, and imagine things to be there that aren't there. Gay nepotism? Are they serious? Do the words "persecuted majority" mean anything to them? They should, because that is what they perceive themselves to be. Under attack by all of these radical elements. The "gay mafia"? Seriously? What the hell goes on in this guy's head? It's a scary place in there I would imagine.
Let's just assume for one second that this kid was baiting Foley. Just for the sake of argument. Wouldn't you, if you were a 50 year old Congressman say something along the lines of, "Hey John (name made up), this is an inappropriate conversation that we're having here, and we need to stop this now before it spins out of control." Foley was the adult, doesn't matter what the other person did, he needed to take the leadership position here, and squash this, but instead, he rolled with it. It's got nothing to do with the kid, he's the victim here.
Savage is a raving lunatic. Maybe he should go back to coffee enemas maybe. They seem more his speed of things. This man is all evil. Yeah, I said it. Evil. He's a ridiculous parody of what the right wing conservative talk radio shows are. The sad thing is (I tune in once in awhile to see what spew he's mentioning on the day), is that people call in and praise him as a great American, and a great person. I almost can never believe my ears.
is that Mr Savage (Weiner) and his little band of followers are the bottom feeders of our society!
Rush, Sean, and Bill, and basically all of Fox are a really close tie for 1st place collectively.....
I am happy to report that I don't have to deal with listening to Savage at all as I have enough intellect to not waste my time!
This guy and those mentioned above are the true haters of America and all that makes her great!
They are the slime that collects on a log in a swamp and for what its worth by even mentioning them in here at MediaMatters is in some way giving these false patriots some semblance of credibility in that this site reports on media!
So why even give these "culture warriors" the time of day?
You see.......by me doing this, I'm giving credance to them!
Can't win I tell ya!!
...just needs to come on out of the closet...is there anything more to say about this clown?
Savage just might be g-g-g-gay? Not that ther's anything wrong with it. But me thinks thou doth protest too much. Oh Mikey Mikey Mikey, I feel for you.
Signed
Herbert Hoover
I've reached a point where all I can do is laugh at this imbecile and his ignorant followers.
"It proves why homosexuals cannot be trusted in sensitive positions as, by the way, was the basic undertone and law in the CIA and FBI for a -- until the 1960s."
CLAIM: FILTHY FOLEY ONLINE MESSAGES WERE PAGE PRANK GONE AWRY
Even if that were true (a big if, considering the source), what difference would it make?
Even more deluded than anyone could have ever imagined. Don't even try to claim that Foley would be so stupid as to fall for such a 'prank'.
How does it feel to be a charter member of the National Republican Conspiracy Committee?
Is this like how Clinton killed off all of those people?
...the Drudge Report can produce a verifiable source, this can simply be added to the growing list of excuses and attempts at misdirection attempted by hypocritical weasels.
Wish I could call that a nice try, but it's extremely weak. I find the confirmed facts much more compelling.
Are you kidding me?!!!
It is irrelevant whether or not this Paige initiated these IM's to Foley as a PRANK. Foley had no business responding to them!
It is also irrelevant how the emails got into the hands of someone at ABC. Although ABC has repeatedly asserted that they came from a Republican source.
You and your ilk have undoubtedly lost your way. You need to take some time off from work, go fishing, relax, take some long walks in the cool night air. Get well. Love yourself again.
DRUDGE: "The prank scenario was confirmed by a second associate of Edmund. Both are fearful that their political careers will be affected if they are publicly brought into the investigation."
Let's see... Edmumd is identified as a "conservative Republican". His two buddies don't want to be publicly associated with the "prank" because it might affect their "poltical careers".
This so-called "prank" excuse gets more and more laughable. Good try, boys... but no dice.
...that it isn't just Savage. It's his sycophantic, ultra-conservative, paranoid little toadies too.
On the Daily Show, it showed a clip of Foley, and it had him listed as a Democrat from Florida.
Forget Weiner... he's a twisted opportunist who found a niche being a sour a$$hole. But, the caller i find interesting...
Is any of this info based on facts? What's the context? That Foley was trying to sleep with minors? That Foley (the Republican in charge of tracking down on-line sexual predators...) was, in fact, a sexual predator himself?
The degree of apologizing and rationalizing the heinous behaviour of these criminals is not just astounding... it's downright pathologic. Let's blame gay people for pedophilia? Let's blame gay people for Foley's disgusting actions? What's worse, let's blame alcoholism for Foley's disgusting actions... Man-o-man... do I hope the country is as tired of this lying crap as much as I am.
i am not here to comment on this entire post, only what was refered to in the title
I can defintily envision a blackmail scheme on an opposing party for political gain
What's your point?
I can certainly believe it in regard to the Republicans... how else has the media, every gov't drone, et al who has laid down for these criminals. I believe you're projecting pages from the GOP playbook.
Not that Democrats are angels... but, today -- right now -- there is no comparison.
Every action Foley has taken since this story broke is of a guilty man trying to do damage control.
If he believed this was bogus, and no under-age pages were ever involved, why not fight it? Why resign from Congress?
Why check into alcohol rehab?
Why release a statement through his attorney that he had been molested by his priest as a child?
Foley is on full damage control mode for a reason, and it isn't because he believes he's innocent.
Why did Foley's former chief of staff Kirk Fordham resign? Because he's 100% innocent as well?
What I find sad is that you are ready to just blindly believe this is all the fault of Democrats somehow. You don't even need to read this piece. You're basically just a brainwashed drone.
By the way, I have to give some of our resident right-wingers, like Tommy, credit for not making any excuses for Foley, and not engaging in this mindless "The Democrats did it...I don't know how, but they did it" nonsense. At least people like Tommy give me hope that not all right-leaning people are absolute sheep, like this poster obviously is.
... You are absolutely correct.
Please. The time, I think, has come when all the mindful, decent folk finally stand up and say, "enough". How much must one endure? Anyone...ANYONE... who continues to pretend like it's everyone else's fault and continue to rationalize this heinous behaviour (and, the Foley thing is just putrid icing on this cake of sh*t)... is basically delusional. There's no debate at this point. You either get it. Or, you don't. And, if you don't... well, sorry. It's time to take the country back.
So when is Savage scheduled to get his legs broken?
Sorry... my apologies to all the gay mafiosos.
...they're more likely to zap you with their Oribtal Mind Control Lazers.
(Tip of the Hat to IFlurry Technologies.)
(Wag of the Finger to Stupid Weiner.)
Since Savage lives here in SF where I live, I was going to send my partner to see Savage, only with an epilady and a gas mask. We'll make sure to get his legs, crotch and back with the epilady. Hopefully it's as painful as we've been told. I'll let you know what happens.
CSL
The latest news has it that one of the IM'd was a conservative page for OK Rep Istook. Looks like he participated in his own little game of outing with predator Foley. This gets sleazier and more disgusting for the GOP as things unravel. As for Savage he should explain the love letters he wrote to poet Allen Ginsburg in a past life.
And if he was, then its okay to sexually stalk him, right? OK, Weiner . . .
Hardly a day goes by that Savage does not refer to the "Pendleton Six"(they accused of massacring Iraqis) as "boys". I guess alleged killers can still be called "boys" but the (gay-baiting) kids in the Foley story can't? This guy's a wierdo.
"It also proves, and it's a hard thing for me to say to you because I know it's the third rail of talk radio, because they (Gays) control the media. "
I thought it was controlled by Jews, no wait Liberals, no wait really crazy Midgets.....
That Wiener is one brave sole for stick his third rail out like that..
sounds like the stuff said by hitler. the jews control everything. that's why the country is in the shape it's in.
His entire take on this subject is deeply schizophrenic. On the one hand he denounces the victim (the boy) as greedy, aggressive, manipulative, exploitive, & "a gay-baiting... sleazeball." On the other hand... well, if he was Wiener's son, what Foley did would have been unforgivable.
So, which is it? Is the boy the victim or the predator? I guess Wiener is waiting for confirmation on whether or not the boy is a Democrat or not. Republicans... in Wienerland, anyway... are eternal victims, while Democrats are, by definition, demons.
And a gay mafia that secretly runs everything? That's beyond being delusional. That's just plain weird!
But it does make a strange sort of sense in the context of a self-hating paranoid schizophrenic. Wiener is both Jewish & a suppressed gay man. He projects upon others the twisted sort of loathing that he feels for himself, but cannot come to terms with. Homophobia has merged with antisemitism, creating a hybrid hatred for a new breed of subhuman enemy, a disease, a conspiritorial internal alien seeking to undermine & rot the values & decencies their unsuspecting host. Wiener is the battered child who, unable to cope with the sense of pain, powerlessness, & trauma that accompanies his victimization, instead identifies with the percieved strength of his abuser, & adopts those seemingly desirable characteristics. He despises weakness in others, as it reminds him of the weakness that he feels within himself. The week are worthless in his emotionally crippled view. They deserve what they get.
Instead, he seeks safety by forging a new, impervious identity based now on strength & aggression. He rants endlessly against those who would dethrone the beast, for they would displace strength with weakness. They would reveal our (his) weaknesses to our (his) enemies. They would expose the vulnerablity of the battered child.
His lone defense lies in becoming the savage(!!!).
Wiener's high ratings & intense fan loyalty does say a lot about the level of psychic trauma that exists within our society. It indicates the number of walking wounded out there who seek to heal themselves through vigorous applications of hatred & anger. It also explains the numbers of black shirts & neocons that are willing to mindlessly & loudly advance the afflictions of war, torture, & social & political oppression.
He reflects the advancement of a disease
You seem to have him pegged. I personally love listening to him on my drive home from work though. His insane rantings are quite hilarious. Savage is such a right-wing whacko that even o'reilly doesn't like him. That' saying a lot in my opinion.
I listen to him at times, but then he takes off and starts ranting and raving, and he makes me so mad, that I have to turn it off. I have honestly heard some decent things from him, like when he talks about his dogs. That's nice, but just about everything else he can flush it. My fiance will sometimes listen to him with me, and she has to turn it off after hearing his voice for about 3 seconds, she can't stand him either. Anyway, it does amaze me that people like this exist, and can carry so much hatred for, well, just about everything. And on most nights, he accuses the liberals of being hateful. I do find it funny that he penned a "book" titled, "Liberalism is a Mental Disorder". I'm sure the psycho babble in that thing is most likely beyond comprehension.
And yet, people still listen to him. I'd love to complete a study on the demogrpahics of his fans. It might be a tad bit scary, but interesting I'm sure.
kidnapped in Utah a few years ago? Held for a long time by a pervert?
It was the Silly Savage who called her a w---e (rimes with bore), a s--t (rime with rut), a tramp...
This idiot is way, way out there...
But at least when it comes to man on man love he's talking about something he knows about. Read his "novel."
really needs some deep psychiatric therapy. Could you see the poor therapist if both Savage and Coutler showed up for help Diagnosis: Anti-soical deviance . Narcisstic personality disorder. Sexual questions. take care tony and guidedog dietrich