Limbaugh on Michael J. Fox ad for MO Dem: "Either he didn't take his medication or he's acting"
SUMMARY: Rush Limbaugh accused actor Michael J. Fox, who has been diagnosed with Parkinson's disease, of "exaggerating the effects of the disease" in a recent campaign advertisement for Missouri Democratic Senate candidate Claire McCaskill. Limbaugh added that "this is really shameless of Michael J. Fox. Either he didn't take his medication or he's acting, one of the two."
On the October 23 edition of his nationally syndicated radio program, Rush Limbaugh accused actor Michael J. Fox, who has Parkinson's disease, of "exaggerating the effects of the disease" in a recent campaign advertisement for Missouri Democratic Senate candidate Claire McCaskill. In the ad, Fox endorses McCaskill for supporting embryonic stem cell research, which her opponent, incumbent Republican Sen. Jim Talent, opposes. Noting that Fox is "moving all around and shaking" in the ad, Limbaugh declared: "And it's purely an act. This is the only time I have ever seen Michael J. Fox portray any of the symptoms of the disease he has." Limbaugh added that "this is really shameless of Michael J. Fox. Either he didn't take his medication or he's acting, one of the two."
Later in the broadcast, Limbaugh stated that "I will bigly, hugely admit that I was wrong, and I will apologize to Michael J. Fox if I am wrong in characterizing his behavior on this commercial as an act, especially since people are telling me they have seen him this way on other interviews and in other television appearances." However, Limbaugh then returned to criticizing Fox, stating that "Michael J. Fox is using his illness as a way to mislead voters into thinking that their vote for a single United States senator has a direct impact on stem cell research in Missouri. It doesn't, and it won't."
According to Talkers magazine, The Rush Limbaugh Show reaches more than 13.5 million listeners each week, the largest talk-radio audience in the nation. Vice President Dick Cheney has made several appearances on the program, most recently on October 17.
From the October 23 edition of Premiere Radio Networks' The Rush Limbaugh Show:
LIMBAUGH: You need to see this. It's a spot running in St. Louis during World Series games, bought and paid for and approved by the Democrat [sic] Senate candidate, Claire McCaskill. Now, I want you to listen to this. This is Michael J. Fox, aired during a World Series game, and I will describe for you what he's doing in this commercial after you've heard it.
[begin audio clip]
FOX: As you might know, I care deeply about stem cell research. In Missouri, you can elect Claire McCaskill, who shares my hope for cures. Unfortunately, Senator Jim Talent opposes expanding stem cell research. Senator Talent even wanted to criminalize the science that gives us the chance for hope. They say all politics is local, but that's not always the case. What you do in Missouri matters to millions of Americans, Americans like me.
McCASKILL: I'm Claire McCaskill, and I approve this message.
[end audio clip]
LIMBAUGH: Now, this is Michael J. Fox. He's got Parkinson's disease. And in this commercial, he is exaggerating the effects of the disease. He is moving all around and shaking. And it's purely an act. This is the only time I have ever seen Michael J. Fox portray any of the symptoms of the disease he has. I know he's got it and he's raising money for it, but when I've seen him in public, I've never seen him betray any of the symptoms. But this commercial, he -- he's just all over the place. He can barely control himself. He can control himself enough to stay in the frame of the picture, and he can control himself enough to keep his eyes right on the lens, the teleprompter. But his head and shoulders are moving all over the place, and he is acting like his disease is deteriorating because Jim Talent opposes research that would help him, Michael J. Fox, get cured. Jim Talent does not oppose stem cell research, he opposes fetal stem cell research but not adult. But this is reminiscent, and I don't have time -- yes, I do. Here, listen to [then-Democratic vice presidential candidate] John Edwards, the Breck girl, on the campaign trail, October 11th, 2004:
EDWARDS [audio clip]: If we do the work that we can do in this country, the work that we will do when John Kerry is president, people like Christopher Reeve are going to walk -- get up out of that wheelchair and walk again.
LIMBAUGH: And I think, didn't he even say -- they said it at a debate. I don't know if he said it at a convention. So this is really shameless, folks, this is really shameless of Michael J. Fox. Either he didn't take his medication or he's acting, one of the two.
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LIMBAUGH: And we are back. El Rushbo, executing assigned host duties flawlessly -- zero mistakes here on the EIB Network.
All right. Now, people are telling me that they have seen Michael J. Fox in interviews and he does appear the same way in the interviews as he does in this commercial for Claire McCaskill. All right, then, I stand corrected. I have never seen -- I've seen him on Boston Legal, I've seen him on a number of stand-up appearances, I've never seen the evidence that he's got -- I know he's got it. It's pitiable that he has the disease. It's a debilitating disease, and I understand that fully. Now, just stick with me on this.
All I'm saying is that I've never seen him the way he appears in this commercial for Claire McCaskill. So I will bigly, hugely admit that I was wrong, and I will apologize to Michael J. Fox if I am wrong in characterizing his behavior on this commercial as an act, especially since people are telling me they have seen him this way on other interviews and in other television appearances.
But let me just say this about it. And the reason I went and grabbed the audio from John Edwards, where he said in 2004 on the campaign trail, quote, "If we can do the work we that can do in this country, the work we will do when [Sen.] John Kerry [D-MA] is president, people like Christopher Reeve are going to walk -- get up out of that wheel chair and walk again." That was about stem cells, and that was a misleading statement, and it didn't work for the Breck girl -- implying that if it weren't for George W. Bush and his stubbornness on stem cells, that we've got a cure for spinal deterioration and injury, and we don't!
We do not have anywhere near a cure. We can't regenerate nerves yet, folks, and that's what has to happen to cure paralysis in the spine. And stem cells do not promise any such thing, nor do they for Parkinson's disease. So the reason that I went and got the Breck girl to compare it to the Michael J. Fox is because I think that the intent here is the same thing.
I think, and if I may be blatantly honest, brazenly so, I think this is much more offensive than Hillary [Rodham Clinton]'s Senate opponent implying that she is ugly. Michael J. Fox is allowing his illness to be exploited, and in the process is shilling for a Democrat [sic] politician. And in the process of doing that, creating an impression, like John Edwards tried to do, that is not reality. Michael J. Fox is using his illness as a way to mislead voters into thinking that their vote for a single United States senator has a direct impact on stem cell research in Missouri. It doesn't, and it won't.
So Mr. Fox is using his illness as another tactic to try to secure the election of a Democrat [sic] senator by implying that with her election, that we'll be on the road to stem cell research her opponent opposes, and people who suffer from Parkinson's disease, as he does, will have a cure. Now, I just -- you know, it's a negative ad.
All this man does is spew hate toward anyone who he disagrees with. This is a man that should be in jail today for violating perscription drug laws.
That is the Outrage.
If Character has any measure to the calculation of whom should be an authority, or source of political discourse, the question must be how did a vast audience look to Rush Limbaugh?
He has no military backround, no political backround either in experience, or education; he has little insight into the issues he rants about other than the talking points fed him by the RNC.
Lets be specific as to what Rush is, a propagandist. Truth, accuracy, or good policy, or common sense has nothing to do with his goals, they are whatever the RNC wants them to be!
I'll take Thom Hartman any day of the week, and accomplished intellectual, author, historian, philospher, and American thinker, opposed to a recovering drug addict in denial, a college drop-out, liar, and accomplished deceiver.
An accurate metaphor for our choice on November 7th, 2006.
Happy Thought;
Dan Grady
Rush can now join Bill Frist as an expert at diagnosing medical conditions from a brief glance at the TV.
.... send this fick suck (and every one of his sponsors) one of your flaming zinger letters.
Oh, wait! Maybe Rush just said this 'cause he's off his.
limbaugh is the ultimate faker. he used to let his listeners think he was broadcasting from new york, mr. working class trudging to his studio, until the word got out that he was sitting on his big behind in his thirty million dollar compound in palm beach. mr. i'll always be honest with you never revealed that he had gone deaf to the point that he was reading caller's words off a monitor. howard stern outed him on that because howard's dad told him there was something going on with rush. then he tried to say it was some mysterious autoimmune disease that his doctors couldn't pinpoint. he accepted all this sympathy, including from the clintons. then after the drug use was revealed, it was common knowledge that deafness was a side effect of too much oxycontin. rush claimed he became addicted to it because of "back pain", but he was playing in golf tournaments during that time. there is a morning national radio show called the bob and tom show, and tom griswald said that guys on rush's show had told him that rush rustling through those papers like he's reading something off the paper is a sound effect. like bush, rush is a faker and liar, but no matter how big of a phony he's shown to be, their followers excuse anything.
And in that totally non-political arena. He was shaking like a leaf even after stopping the interview and going off stage to take medication.
Rush should with his addictions and arrests on everything from Oxycotin to Viagra the importance of medicine. This is one of those cases where the Neo-Cons are willing to look an ugly truth in the face and say, "It must not be the truth because I disagree with this guy, even though I have no idea want I am talking about."
The hateful, rabid face of the GOP.
Anyone with half a sense that has seen Michael J. Fox during his guest appearences on Boston Legal would realize it's more than an act. Anyone with half a sense of compassion would realize how this disease affects the body. I've seen it three times in people I know personally. I was just out and about and flipping through the radio channels when I caught Limbaugh spewing this one out. It made me sick. Watch out for tomorrow, he'll come back and say that he didn't mean anything personal by it.
Unfortunately, sponsors still support Limbaugh and by much of the rest of the TV world, Limbaugh gets treated as a respected commentator.
I advise everyone else to do the same.
I really don't want a penny of my money going to support that vicious demagogue.
I would really love to see the people of this country rise up and smite the businesses that pay the man.
And one other thing: Rush talks so much about honesty, but really, would he be spouting off all that right wing hooey if he weren't being paid so well for it?
I don't think so.
How do we find out who his sponsors are so we can lead a boycott?
Anything advertised during his show or on his website.
Don't buy any of it.
It's probably crap anyway.
Go to www.sfindymedia.org to find Rush's sponsors. It contains their email address. I plan to tell them how reprehensible they are to support this crap.
Rush Limbaugh is a pathetic excuse for a human being.
I really take offense to this article! Although PD can be controlled with medications - it is not always dependable. Many circumstances can affect the medication. I would like to see you Mr. Limbaugh or anyone else walk in Michael J. Fox's shoes for 1 day or see a family member suffer with this disease - I can assure you that you would support anything & everything to help find a cure to this brutual disease.
Parkinson's can be controlled to a limited extent. My best friend recently died of the disease. It is, in most cases, fatal.
I call for RL's firing. My father has PD, and I cannot tell you how angry, offended and sad this news made me! There is NO excuse for this ignorant, indefensibly claim! PD is a horrible, horrible disease. Watch a loved one deteriorate before your eyes. Mind is good (eyes can focus) I knew nothing before but shaking. It immobilizes you, slowly & gradually. Shaking is irratic. Medicines can minimize, but with each dose, if they still work; dosage and drugs must be changed constantly, as the disease differs by the month, day, even hour. IF I were MJF, I'd have his frickin head on a platter. And yes, stem cell research made a paralized mouse walk, treated alzheimers, but we'll never know if it could be working now on people, Thank you, Bush!
last time, stem cell research is not illegal - not even using aborted cells.
Bush opened the door to fund some stem cell research, something Mr. Clinton did not do.
Just internet search under private foundation and you can give or encourage others to give, the same as Muscular Dystrophy or many other diseases.
The amendment in Missouri makes the early stages of human cloning a constitutional amendment right, which many people thinks goes too far.
It doesn't take people's tax money to cure every disease. The private sector is just as good as it also.
Rush should apologize if he is wrong about Michael J. Fox acting it or not taking his medication. But Fox made a very controversial ad with some dubious claims and no doubt knew he would alienate alot of voters by an outsider jumping into a state race.
it is correct that private study into stem cells in perfectly legal. But it is not that the government is chosing not to fund it. it is that they made it illegal to use government funds. What that means is a company can be held in violation if anything they used government funds on in the past is used in stem-cell research, say using a refrigerator that was purchased for an earlier, government funded program. Setting up a completely seperate operation makes doing so very prohibitive for US companies, which is why all the real advances are being made, and will continue to be made, by other nations, as long as such a ban is kept in place.
My father died from complications of a very aggressive form of Parkinsens. My brother is in a wheel chair because of a spinal injury. My mother in law died of Lou Gehrig's disease.
Now I am smart enough to know that stem cell research has not yet advanced to a stage where there are cures for these diseases and injuries. I also know that there is a possibility it may never do so. BUT - it is morally corrupt and unbelievably stupid and cruel to hinder or delay finding a cure for these horrific conditions and diseases - especially just to make a political statement!!!
How can we let people continue to suffer like this when there is the possibility of a cure. And lets not forget - most of the embryonic stem cells would come from cells that will be thrown out with the trash!!! If for one second you really, honestly buy the myth that a mass of undifferentiated cells is a human life, how can you then justify throwing away two (or more) lives by allowing these cells to be discarded? Cells that could produce cures for hundreds, thousands, maybe even millions. And one thing is clearly true - some of these lives really are breathing, thinking, living people you are all too willing to condemn to a terrible life or death - just because you love that idiot in the White House!!!
Shame on you and all like you!!! I would wish that you had to experience the cruelty of what something like Parkinsens can do - but having lived through watching it take someone very near and dear to me I wouldn't wish that on anyone. But maybe, just maybe, you might wake up enough so that your conscience would keep you awake nights besause of your cruelty!!
If you have something to say - fine. Say it. Just realize that your life impacts everyone around you and you will be remembered for how you treat your fellow man.
I am for stem cell research, just not the government funding of it.
If you think the government must tax people and take their money as the only way of curing any ailments. I have family members with a variety of diseases that stem cell research could help so I can match you ailment for ailment.
But having the government be the sugar daddy for every research project, especially one in which is as controversial as this one is better off going the private route.
So think before you accuse.
Private companies and citizens should just go ahead and fund the controversial war in Iraq. I mean, why should our taxpayer funded government be the sugar-daddy for corporate America's oil procurement project.
Wasn't it the government that gave funding to polio research? Hmmmm.....I think they developed a vaccine for that. Our "sugar daddy" government sure was handy back then.
So, LH, how the hell do we deal with this? The government has funded everything from polio research to influenza vaccines. WHY DO WE PAY OUR TAXES!!!!! The issue here is that privately supported stem cell research will be limited to a small number of lines and any cures will be expensive and not available to the general public. WAIT, DID I JUST HIT ON SOMETHING? I get it now...only the hoi poloi and Junior Bunnypants's friends will reap the benefits of this because only they will be able to afford it. By the way I saw Rush's cute little wiggle on TV...hopefully a.) Mark Foley wasn't paying attention and b.) stem cell research will finally resolve that pilonoidal cyst issue and then El Drugbo will be the first on the plane to the Middle East with Tucker Carlson (stem cell research for bad bow ties?...maybe?) and Jonah Goldberg (stem cell research for mothers who are lying hags...maybe?) to fight them terrorists before we gotta fight 'em in EIB's studios.
What would it take for you to admit that Limbaugh is a bloated pompous ass? He's hit an all time low and obviously still has his apologists. He can rant all he wants about what he believes is patriotism even though he is a confirmed draft dodging coward. He tells his listeners how drug users should all go to jail, yet he himself is an addict. He accuses a lot of people of criminal behavior when he himself is just a common criminal.
Now he's picking on someone with Parkinson's. If he, or you knew anything about degenerative neurological disease, you'd understand that the symptoms come and go. You can be fine one minute and the next be flat on your back. The private sector can be counted on to develop and sell promising therapies, but their biggest incentive is profit, not the public good. If our government can afford to invest so much in a immoral war in Iraq, they shouldn't complain about funding basic research into cures. The criteria they use to fund research is ideological first and foremost. We have to separate religion and science.
Bush opened the door to fund some stem cell research, something Mr. Clinton did not do. - from Leatherhelmet
This is misleading to the point of being outright dishonest. We've been able to isolate embryonic stem cells for less than a decade. The research is in its very early stages and is showing tremendous potential.
The research, and its potential, had just barely begun during Clinton's administration. The simple fact is that there was nothing during Clinton's administration that prevented federal funding of research. The very first applications for funding were just beginning to show up near the end of his Presidency and they would likely have been approved on a purely scientific basis.
It's deceptive to state that Bush opened the door to research. The door was open and Bush's only contribution was the installation of extreme regulatory barriers.
Have you not paid any attention to previous posts stating that they have seen Fox in other non-poilitical forums shaking like a leaf?? Your everybit as insensitve and moronic as Limbaugh.
> Rush should apologize if he is wrong about Michael J. Fox acting > it or not taking his medication.
IF? IF? How the hell would Rush know one way or another? If there is a problem with Fox's advertisement/endorsement, then Rush should go after the content of the ad. But instead, as we've seen time and time again from Limbaugh, he attacked THE PERSON.
Limbaugh should apologize. PERIOD. There's no "if" here.
Here is a paragraph from media matters explaining that Bill Clinton DID INDEED get the ball rolling with stem cell research. Read carefully and see if you can figure out who put the kabosh on it.....
Beck also asserted that former President Bill Clinton "in 1995 opposed" research on embryos. In fact, after Congress passed a bill that included a provision that allowed federal funding on human embryo research, the Clinton administration convened a panel that proposed federal funding for obtaining stem cells, which would entail the destruction of spare embryos from fertility clinics. It was the Republican-controlled Congress that, in 1995, included a ban on the use of federal funds for embryonic stem cell research in an omnibus appropriations bill, derailing the Clinton administration proposals. The Clinton administration drafted guidelines to fund embryonic stem cell research consistent with the law, but those rules had yet to take effect when he left office. Those rules were suspended by the Bush administration in favor of its own, stricter set of rules.
I thought Rush was the one with performance issues.
Rush probably thinks that Muhammad Ali is acting too. Watch the ad and judge for yourself whether or not you think he's faking it. There is no limit to Limbaugh's shamelessness.
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I am a conservative that thought Rush used poor taste! He could have use a better example of politicans using media to influence the voters! I would have talked how Sixty Minutes gave a puff-ball interview to Nancy! We all must remember politics is a dirty game and both sides will try dirty tricks to get votes.
Pelosi">[link to movies.crooksandliars.com] did a fantastic job knocking down the republican talking points regurgitated by Stahl and I think that's why Rush "I send my maid out to go score drugs for me" Limbaugh didn't try to distort the interview.
let’s try it again.
Poor taste is farting in church. Limbaugh took a dump on the pastor's bible and wiped up with his robe.
JTH, let me put this as simply as possible. My mother has Parkinson's. It's a horrendous disease. What Rush is doing is trivializing it because he doesn't support a potential cure for purely political reasons.
That is beyond "poor taste". And it doesn't look to me like he pulled this out of the air as an example of people trying to influence voters, it appears to be something he's addressing all on its own. As far as "dirty tricks" go, yes we do know they exist. So we call this one out when we see them, why are you trying to minimize it?
Rush shows a complete inability to understand anyone else's point of view, even when a disease is involved. His comments here are miles beyond the boundaries of acceptability. Your pathetic "everyone does this" suggestion does absolutely nothing to help Rush or make yourself look like an intelligent, rational or compassionate human being.
The puffball interview was with Rice, not Pelosi. You're getting your Bush Administration criminals mixed up with the good team.
These days Limbaugh has been sounding even more like the crazed dog that lives that lives down the street. Can't wait til the Dems kick butt next month... just imagine the the froth, growl, and bark.
...on Enteryainment Tonight? When does this get put on the gossip shows? "Rush Limbaugh accuse Michael J. Fox of faking illness!" I would like to see Leno and Letterman carve him for yjis. I would like to see Oprah do a show on Parkinson's centered around his remarks.
I would like to see the outrage pour down on him from beyond the political sector.
Having a family member who spent the last years of her life ctippled by Parkinson's, I want to see him SKINNED.
No talking to advertisers; talk to Oprah. Talk to Hollywood about this.
These are perfectly honest questions. Indeed, when will Ken Starr try Limpballs for suggesting the death penalty for drug users while ripped on pain killers?
When will (s)he be exposed as a shameless whiner with blind mice following his vitriol?
Everyone knows the Breck Girl is mAnn Coulter!! And Rush, I wouldn't talk about not taking his medication, Mr. Viagra .... You are the King of Fools, Rush. So don't even go there... Error-free? LOL
Imagine, a guy with Parkinsons supporting (the "tactic" in question) someone who favors research that might cure the disease. Apparently a difficult thing for Rushs brain to process.
I can only wonder if El-Rush bo used the cyst on his buttocks as a "tactic" to cut and run when he had the chance to serve his country.
Nah...he wouldn't do that...would he?
Rush is in Lockstep, goosestep even, with the FRC on this one: [link to www.frc.org]
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You fat oxy-head, who in the name of God are you to criticise anyone or suggest fraudulence? You went on the air in the bag more times than anyone can count because it is you, you damned whore, who are the real faker and actor here. You self-satisfied piece of trash.
I think of Claude Raines in "Casablanca." What? Negative ads here??
LimpBalls, like those useless mice who follow him (to some of whom I am related--God help me) have no shame. He is a walking negative ad--and a pathetically ignorant one at that.
I agree with an earlier poster: I'll purchase NOTHING from any of the companies who sponsor LimpBalls' shows, or on any of the stations on which he broadcasts. I think we, all of us, should boycott his funeral which will take place soon.
The guy's pathetic. And he needs to be silenced.
I heard this disgusting performance, and I think that's exactly what it was...a performance. He apologized almost immediately because "callers corrected him", or so he claimed. Personally, I think he knew it was bullsh*t when he said it. Even though he "apologized" the damage is done...the propaganda is out there now, and can't be recalled. He's planted the seed in the feeble minds of his audience that Fox was faking it to help those evil Democrats, and most of them will believe it. They'll assume that he only apologized to be polite. He did his job, which is to further the cause of the GOP, no matter what it takes or how many lies he has to tell. He spent a good part of the same show blasting Senator Obama, which indicates just how much the GOP fears Obama in '08.
As for Rush's sponsors, they won't abandon him because of two reasons (1) he makes them lots of money and (2) he promotes the party of corporatism which helps them politically.
at least MJ Fox didn't forget that a Viagra prescription with someone else's name on it was in his travel bag....
God bless Michael J. Fox.
Rush also said: So I will bigly, hugely admit that I was wrong, and I will apologize to Michael J. Fox if I am wrong in characterizing his behavior on this commercial as an act, especially since people are telling me they have seen him this way on other interviews and in other television appearances.
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It is apparent that Fox is agenda driven because of his illness. No one can fault him on that. He has the right to campaign as he sees fit.
It also looks to me that Rush initially thought Fox was overemphasizing his disability for political purposes, which he later found out was wrong and apologized. No doubt about it, Rush walked right into that one.
However, he apologized. People should remember that and not the first part.
End of story.
ps. My heart goes out to MJF and his family.
Saying that you will apologize for comments in not even in the same vicinity of actually apologizing. I'm sure even today either Limpbaugh is either saying he never said what he said or is saying that his words were taken out of context (the bloviators favorite line).
So to say he has apologized is just completely wrong. And if I know Rush like I know him he (like O'Reilly and others of his ilk) will never apologize because in his mind he is always right.
that he apologized"...BULLCRAP... You cannot honestly believe that this thought of Mr. Fox faking it just popped into Limbaugh's head. His show is pre-planned and discussed in the back room before it starts. How many times has he done this? Limby apologists seem to forget that he went into rehab. For what reason, research. This man is a phony who terrorizes those against him with his microphone. I feel that this deserves national attention. And will email everyone I know with this story, including his so-called apology
He KNEW what he was doing and those that do not believe that are just plain fools. Apologies NOT accepted.
Rush put this out there for his troglodyte audience. More red meat to lather them up for election day. It was all too neat and tidy. He made the statement right before a commercial break, then offered his "apology" immediately after the commercial break. Even after the "apology", he went on to chastise Fox for using his disease for political purposes.
He accomplished what he set out to do. The man is a five-star phony.
Rush: ...I will apologize to Michael J. Fox if I am wrong in characterizing his behavior on this commercial as an act...
That is not an apology, "I will apologize IF I AM WRONG"!!!
Rush Limpballs has sex with farm animals. Oh I will apologize IF I am proven wrong.
What a jackass..
~ Whether 'politicizing an illness' or commenting on such with certain declarative statments are equal, ethical transgressions, here is a transcript excerpt from Mr. Limbaugh's program yesterday:
"So let there be no misunderstanding about this. I stand corrected, [I] did not know and had never seen Michael J. Fox in the way I saw him in this commercial for Claire McCaskill. But people [who] have and have seen him say in interviews that he doesn't take his medications when he wants to make an impression to show people just how horrible the disease is. And it's true of all Parkinson's patients. At some point the medication will not work, and the condition will become permanent, and there's nothing pleasant about it. It's one of the most frustrating diseases one can have. [The] Pope had it. It's not pleasant in any way, shape, manner, or form, nor did I mean to implicate that one could easily act it out for the purposes of a commercial. "
Saying "I stand corrected" is not an apology. Did you even read the quote that you posted? He said he stood corrected because his people told him that he was acting that he purposely doesn't take his medication when he is about to go on televison or a speech. People who are actually trying to cover for Rush by throwing out this 'apology' should be more ashamed thand him.
Grow some balls and think for yourselves for once instead of spewing the hatred and lies and talking points that your leaders give you.
Apologize for what??? Pick on a man because of his disease, then go back and apologize?
Hey, we can debate stem cell research. But Limbaugh and O'Reilly and their cohorts wont debate actuall issues. They would rather shoot the messenger.
How can any human being in their right mind even think that Fox was "acting" during the ad.
I have not heard any apology. What was quoted above first only says that he "will" apologize "if" he was wrong because now "people are telling" him that Fox wasn't acting. My God.
The only thing more disgusting than Limbaugh himself is the exploitation of disease and accident victims for political gain.
I know. I hope voters remember the Terry Schiavo fiasco and how the cons tried to use her vegetative state to rally their base. Good point.
sucks to be a follower, not a leader...eh scottie?
Sheeple man?
Keerist....I was agreeing with you. The Schiavo case is a perfect example of politicizing a medical condition.
It was about not allowing her to be killed by starvation.
If I were you, I wouldn't bring up Terri Schaivo. Your side looks awful bad on that one.
The real issue, one you should appreciate, was a family's right to make their own life and death decisions without government interference. Maybe you support government intrusion into yours and my private life in matters of personal responsibility.
But I doubt if you think you have the right to kill your wife or kids let alone kill them by starvation.
But maybe you do?
I know I don't.
And it was an awful intrusion by the media, politically motivated right to lifers and the Bushies.
Who is talking about murder?
"But I doubt if you think you have the right to kill your wife or kids let alone kill them by starvation.
But maybe you do?
I know I don't."
No one killed anyone.
No one died from starvation.
Terri Schiavo was finally allowed to determine her own fate. Her husband did not kill her. Her husband fought for her right to be allowed to die since that was her wish. Once again, don't tell me that we don't know her wishes because we do.
So, tell me, if you think that no one can be allowed to die from dehydration, even if it is their wish, how do you spend any time here? Aren't your days full spending time at hospices around the nation, protesting the countless people every day who are allowed to die from dehydration per their wishes?
There are many families who make that decision for their family members every day. How many of those cases have you picketed?
Yeah, I thought so. Empty words from a paid troll.
When there is no hope of recovery, the compassionate thing to do is to allow the person to die. When that person has expressly asked to be allowed to die if they are in that condition, it is a violation of everything that made them human when they were lucid to keep them alive against their stated wishes when they are no longer lucid.
That is what you are asking me to believe.
To call killing a person through dehydration and starving as humane is as silly a notion as I've seen here in a long time.
Your arguments are juvenile. First of all your argument falls apart if I've gone to any protests.. Oh wait, you'll say that's not enough... I've heard it before. Next, it doesn't matter if I have or have not
Second, there are not countless people being killed by starvation and dehydration every day. What a laughable assertion. I challenge you to back that up.
Anyone who looks at the case knows Michael's word and that of his siblings is suspect. If you don't, you should go read the story. He only brought her supposed wish to die seven years into her disability.. By then he had moved out and was shacking up with another woman. Grieving husband. Give me a break.
But, I can see you are a Michael Schaivo fan. That and by the insults you so flippantly toss out, I can see how sensitive you actually are. Yes. According to you starving people to death is good, allowing them to live is bad. *sigh*
All in all, I think you made point perfectly. As I said earlier, you don't look so good on this one.
There is no agony in starving to death if your brain has turned to liquid and disappeared. Bill "Cat Killer" Frist made a diagnosis ex machina via videotape that should have gotten his license to practice medicine revoked.
Why did W and Limbaugh care more about Terry Schiavo than they do about the thousands of Iraq war veterans returning to the States with terrible debilatating injuries?
There are countless people who are allowed to die every day.
Medical professionals and sick people themselves have told many researchers that dying from lack of hydration is not painful.
It cannot be painful if someone has no functioning brain, so even if it was painful, it would not have been something that Terri Schiavo could sense! It was the humane thing to do. It was the compassionate thing to do, to allow her own wishes to be granted!
How many people? Well, from the National Hospice and Palliative Care organization, here's some info.
"You may have heard of a new medical term – palliative care (pronounced PAH-LEE-UH-TIVE). For the last thirty years, palliative care has been provided by hospice programs for dying Americans. Currently these programs serve more than 1 million patients and their families each year. Now this very same approach to care is being used by other health care providers, including teams in hospitals, nursing facilities and home health agencies in combination with other medical treatments to help people who are seriously ill."
Over a million patients a year, all of whom are in care getting ready to die! Most of them will stop eating and getting hydration.
Let's ask you a question I am sure you will not answer. Someone has a DNR, and they stop breathing. Guess what? If you don't do CPR, they suffocate to death. If their heart stops being, their brain gets starved of oxygen too, and they suffocate to death. Are you okay with that? If you are okay with that, why are you not okay with what patients and doctors all agree is a painless (except for dry lips) death by dehydration? If you are not okay with that, show me proof that you are fighting for new laws that deny anyone and everyone the right to have a DNR on file.
Hypocrite!
[link to www.globalideasbank.org]
when "govenor" of texas he signed a bill that allows hospitals to remove patients from life support without regardless of the wishes of the family if the hospital deems that they will not recover. but when terri came around he switched course (again)
i totally support michael shiavo in his case but it should be the family's decision not a for-profit hospital.
You are mistaken.
Terri was not already dead. She breathed on her own.
It's not your's or the government's decision to make.
"It was about not allowing her to be killed by starvation.
If I were you, I wouldn't bring up Terri Schaivo. Your side looks awful bad on that one."
Terri Schiavo was not killed by starvation.
She was allowed to die following her own wishes, and she died from dehydration.
We should allow everyone to choose to be removed from life support if that is their decision. Terri was found to have wanted to not be kept alive on life support machines, and in Florida, a feeding/hydration tube is life support!
It is your side who looks bad on the Terri Schiavo case. The Republicans tried to subvert her own wishes to allow the parents' wishes to supersede her own wishes about her own body.
Tell me how many times you want your parents to be able to control your adult body in a way that is contrary to your wishes please!
What if you have a living will that says "do all you can do to keep me alive" and they disagree - can they decide to tell the doctors "do not resuscitate him"?
I'd like to hear the answer to that question.
What if your parents wanted to take you off life support when you wanted to be kept on life support? Would that be okay with you? I bet not. So why is it okay with you that Terri's parents wanted to supersede her own wishes for her own body? Don't even bother telling me that we don't know her wishes, because we do. A court found clear and convincing evidence from multiple sources that it was her wish to not be kept alive on machines if she were in the condition she was in.
As for this being Terri's wish...
The judge set the date for Terri's dehydration on September 11 (amazingly). This order will be based on testimony from Michael and his brother and sister-in-law arguing that Terri said she would not want to be maintained in this condition. Never mind that Michael first brought this alleged statement up only after he decided that the time had come for Terri to die by dehydration. Never mind that these conversations never came up when Michael was asking a jury for a $20 million medical-malpractice award. Never mind that none of Terri's blood family ever recall her saying any such thing. Never mind that Terri is a Catholic and this dehydration would violate Catholic moral teaching.
[link to www.nationalreview.com]
But the judge paid no attention to the sworn testimony of a close friend of Terri, who testified Terri had said her wishes would have been to go on living in such a situation.
Moreover, the judge repeatedly refused to take into consideration, with regard to the husband's credibility, that Michael Schiavo, after Terri became disabled, had for years been living with another woman, with whom he's had two children, although he had said he would devote his life to caring for his wife.
So for you to assert that we knew Terri's wishes is laughable if it weren't so tragic a case.
Every court upheld Michael Schiavo's case. That's a fact. The cons attempts to smear him are despicable. It shows that they have no decency.
Your "nope" has nothing to do with and does not counter one whit what I have been writing. Only in liberal logic does my arguing the facts regarding the case count as a smear. Typical.
As an aside, I do believe, (and correct me if I am wrong,) the higher courts ruled on various aspects of the law and the juristiction of the state courts and not the facts of the case. Again, correct me if I am wrong, but I do believe no one other than Judge Greer ruled on any of the facts and or evidence of the case.
Yes, I said starvation at one point when I should have said dehydration. I was mistaken. Rather than point out the correction and or cite that I have since corrected myself long before your post, you instead like to label it as a "lie". That is why I rarely converse with you Scott. You are into flaming and name calling rather than a serious discussion.
Finally, I just said you guys look bad for bringing up Schiavo. And again, with your post, I think you do.
"Never mind that Michael first brought this alleged statement up only after he decided that the time had come for Terri to die by dehydration."
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There were 16 separate trials. None found in favor of the parents.
One looks really ignorant when parroting debunked GOP talking points.
There were not 16 trials.
Apparently you do not know the difference between a petition, trial, or an appeal.
See: [link to www.beliefnet.com]
Once again you have egg on your face.
Two comments above you say
"Rather than point out the correction and or cite that I have since corrected myself long before your post, you instead like to label it as a "lie". That is why I rarely converse with you Scott. You are into flaming and name calling rather than a serious discussion."
Then here you chastise someone else, and tell them they have egg on their face, when all they did was inaccurately describe the 16 different things that happened in courtrooms over the years as trials. They used shorthand that was not perfectly accurate, and you attacked them unnecessarily. You could have corrected their statement, and admitted that the courts and the judges never found in favor of the parents in 16 different hearings in courtrooms. Instead you attacked the person, and ignored the underlying truth in what they said.
That's why the Terri Schiavo case makes your side look bad, not ours. That's why you should not bring it up, because the American public knows that it makes you look bad. You could not even admit that the underlying facts supported the poster, and that the courts never found in favor of the parents. A person trying to have a "serious conversation", an insult you hurled at Scott Johnson because you said he was not interested in one, might point out the minor inaccuracy but would admit that underlying truth. You did not. You aren't interested in a serious conversation. What a hypocrite.
The judge hear all the evidence. He found, as judges do, some witnesses credible and others not credible. He also found some evidence relevant and other evidence not relevant.
It was Terri's wishes to be allowed to be taken off life support. The feeding and hydration tube is life support in Florida.
The evidence was clear and convincing that Terri did not want to be kept alive on machines if she was never going to get better.
Michael Schiavo hoped beyond reason, for several years, that his wife would/could get better. When he finally gave up hope that her quality of life could be improved, he said that she had told him that if her quality of life could not be improved then she would not want to be kept alive on machines. Until the time that he was willing to admit to himself that her quality of life could not improve, then he began the effort to have her wishes respected. He had to decide that she could not get better before he tried to have her be allowed to die!
You're wrong. The cons in Congress took a big hit on the Schiavo fiasco. The polls show it clearly. Even Republicans don't want the government controlling whether they should remain in a vegetative state. The blowhard cons on the hill were even out of synch with their supporters.
And she didn't starve to death. That's a lie and par for the course from you.
How about the exploitation of millions of peoples' religious beliefs for political gain? How's that rate?
To actually attack someone who is suffering for advocating HIS beliefs is sick. You really need to grow some humanity.
This is similar to Limbaugh's assumption that Sherrod Brown was black. His "gift" is taking facts and twisting them and then when that's not enough to serve his agenda making things up from whole cloth. It's also what compulsive liars do. Everyone lies from time to time about embarrasing things. But the true sign of a congenital liar is when they make up facts and stories simply because it sounds better. Limbaugh is a perfect example. Only in his case, I think it's less congenital and more calculated.
Limbaugh's learned long ago that "It's easier to beg for forgiveness than ask for permission". Those who want to let him off the hook because he corrected himself should consider this.
the Republican poster child on Fanily Ties?? Just so you'll know the difference Limbaugh, Michael Fox was ACTING THEN!!!
Faking??? Maybe you should try sitting on your hands to quit shaking, and biting the inside of your cheek until it bleeds to be able to talk, never sleeping, involuntarily throwing things across the room, not being able to walk, or drive, or have to depend on someone to feed you or countless other things you could do for yourself, before having this horrible disease. And by the way you are very misinformed. He probably took too much medicine just to be able to make it through the day. If he could get even one person to listen by 'exploiting his illness" the I say go for it. I just threw all of your books, that I had, in the trash. MAybe y ou should try knowing what you're talking about before you open your mouth!
How dare a heretic voice an opinion!
Looks to me like some of the posts here are as vitriolic as I've ever seen.
Yes, Michael J. Fox has Parkinsons, (my heart goes out to him and his family.)
However he is using his disease to make a political statement. (Yes, he's entitled to do that.)
But I think it bears noting when one enters the political arena, one has to bear the burden of opponents pointing out weaknesses and flaws in your campaign.
Now, it is a known fact that Fox has in the past not taken his medication so his symptoms would be more pronounced when speaking before Congress. Rush referred to that. But Rush is roundly condemned for doing so. But if it is fair for Fox to exploit his own illness for political gains, is not also fair that this be known? Is it not fair to question Mr. Fox's tactics?
Rush also apologized when it was brought to his attention that Fox's condition may have worsened and he wasn't exagerating. that should be the end of it.
Rush is from Missouri and made a big point that the constitutional amendment being offered there is one for cloning, not embryonic stem cell research. Fox is falsely implying that the Republican candidate wants to criminalize stem cell research, thereby preventing Mr. Fox from being cured, which Jim Talent does not.
In other words, Fox is using his illness in a political contest to cast false aspersions on the Republican candidate and likewise using his illness to silence any argument otherwise.
It looks to me like many of you have also taken that position. After all, like many in this thread have declared, for anyone to criticize Michael J. Fox is supposedly beyond the pale. Well get over it. It's politics.
Fox is a willing accomplice to try to get a Democrat elected. If McCaskill is going to exploit Fox's illness for political gains, then supporters of Talent, like Rush, can ethically point this out.
Like so many other times, the left trots out 'victims' in order to silence any debate. They've done so here. They did so with the Jersey Girls, Max Cleland, Cindy Sheehan, and Kerry. All using their suffering, (although Kerry is suspect,) to advance their political agenda while supposedly being above criticism. I'm afraid it's an old trope and one that doesn't work anymore.
Let me end by saying I hope for a cure for Parkinsons and Mr. Fox's eventual recovery. I think he's a great actor and a wonderful human being.
I certainly have heard rightwingnuts MAKE THE CLAIM. I have seen nothing to validate that claim I say its a known rightwing talking point, that doesnt make it a known fact. What Limbuagh did was NOT an appology, saying IF I was wrong I will appologize or I stand corrected is NOT an appology. When he says I am deeply sorry for the hurtful things I said to Fox and the hurt it caused him and his family get back to me.a
Solon,
Just because you haven't found anything does not mean it does not exist. Fox made the claim in his book, "Lucky Man". He admits in the book that before Senate subcommittee on appropriations in September of 1999, he did not take his medication for the purposes of having the ravages and the horrors of Parkinson's disease illustrated.
However you have a point that Rush's apology reads like a Clinton apology. However he did admit he was wrong regardin Fox as I mentioned earlier. As much as you might wish, I don't think Rush is going to fall on his sword over this.
For all you Rush haters, you might be interested in hearing what he had to say about this controversy today. Just in case you haven't bookmarked it, here is the link. ;-)
[link to www.rushlimbaugh.com]
Republicans. Never,ever would they exploit anything for political gain. Bush Sr. and the incubator scam. This president and his fear, fear,fear. The Axis of Evil...they do it for political gain. AnotherAmerican, you can apologize all you want for Mr. L's comments but I have stated before that these are premeditated and Mr. L knew what he was doing. I usually enjoy reading your stuff but your defense of Mr. L is wroug.
Thanks for the compliment.
I have only one question to ask you. How do you know that Rush's comments were premeditated? Do you have any proof? Or is it just your 'opinion'?
Besides, even if it were, Limbaugh said he had been told he was wrong and he admitted it on the same show.
Oh well...
See the article on Limbaughs comments today. He obviously didn't apologize.
Rush said he would apologize if he is shown he is wrong.
As of this point it is not known whether MJF did indeed forego his meds when filming the commercials.
So I guess you could call it a conditional apology.
It would be interesting to learn if indeed MJF was on his medication or not at the time of the filming of the commercials.
So should there be a moratorium on showing victims of policy decisions? If so, I can't wait till the cons stop trotting out family farmers that are supposedly harmed by the estate tax.
I just said when you enter the political arean you have to be prepared and accept that it will be rebutted... much like here. :-)
As has been pointed out, the left habitually trots out 'victims' to make its political arguments. They then rely on the victimhood they are exploiting to prevent any rebuttal.
Limbaugh didn't have a rebuttal. He didn't discuss the pros and cons of stem cell research. He smeared a good man.
You know, you could have made all your points about the bill and the issue of stem cell research without attacking Fox, who is clearly suffering from a horrible disease. But like Rush, you couldn't help yourself. You had to pull in the idea that maybe he doesn't take is meds at times, and might not have for this ad.
Stick to the issues. The instant you go after Fox and his treatments, you're drawin' dead.
But you Just Don't Get That. And neither does Rush, apparently. And that's just plain disgusting.
My comments about Mr. Fox and his medicine were only to explain Rush's comments and show that Fox himself explained in his book that he didn't use his meds when testifying. Your argument is with Fox, not with me.
I admire and applaud Michael J. Fox for his courage and his dedication in his fight against Parkinsons. I have said so repeatedly. I only disagree with him on the use of embryonic stem cells for research.
On the Situation Room just now, Wolf Blitzer just had a segment on the Michael J Fox ad, in which Blitzer played the audio from Limbaugh -- "either he's off his meds or he's acting" -- without a single critical word.
really. What is wrong with you? Please elucidate for us a liberal or Democrat using anywhere near the same dishonesty, cruelty, misinforming, smearing tactics used by the thugs in your party. Just point out two examples of anyone on the other side using the same level of thugery.
And as others have pointed out to you ad nauseum, posters on this board do not have a national platform. And the vitriol you site is people blowing off steam because of a constant stream of right wing idiocy and lies on a daily basis. And I think it's more than warranted. You are not Another American. You are a loyalist of the worst kind. If you don't like the true patriots on this board, then go to one of the boards where they can hoodwink people like you into believing the talking points and rewriting of history.
I think people need to see people like MJF. At least people with an ounce of empathy might be able to see how much good could be done with stem cell research. Please, privitizing everything is not the end all be all answer. Market forces can not and will not fix all ills. This is a tired canard.
Just because I disagree with the general feeling here you take it upon yourself to tell me to leave. Not very hospitable if you ask me. Actually it seems kind of narcissistic.
As for the challenge... I don't have all night but thanks for serving up a fat one...
The Dan Rathergate fake documents designed to effect the outcome of the Presidential Elections.
Cindy Sheehan calling islamofacists who killed her son, "freedom fighters" and Bush
Senator Kerry said that our military were "terrorizing women and children" in Iraq.
Senator Durbin compared our military to Nazis.
Michael J. Fox telling people in ads that Talent wants to criminalize stem cell research.
Howard Dean: "I hate Republicans and everything they stand for. " or... "John Ashcroft is not a patriot, John Ashcroft is a descendant of Joseph McCarthy."
Harry Reid: "Instead of talking about ways to save Social Security, Republicans are talking about a plan that will destroy it. "
John Murtha: "American Presence In Iraq Is More Dangerous To World Peace Than Nuclear Threats From North Korea Or Iran."
Democrat Rep. Pete Stark: "[Killing Abu Musab Zarqawi] is just to cover Bush's [rear] so he doesn't have to answer" for Iraqi civilians being killed by the U.S. military and his own sagging poll numbers.
Nancy Pelosi: ""Bush is an incompetent leader. In fact, he's not a leader, he's a person who has no judgment, no experience and no knowledge of the subjects that he has to decide upon.''
Ted Kennedy: "There was no imminent threat. This was made up in Texas, announced in January to the Republican leadership that war was going to take place and was going to be good politically. This whole thing was a fraud."
You were saying???
"We are not waging a war on terror in this country. We’re waging a war of terror. The biggest terrorist in the world is George W. Bush!"
That's a legitimate comment. See Shock and Awe.
I don't see these Dems and libs lashing out at victims of a disaster, war or disease who dare to speak up for change.
I'll address the first few, as it's late.
Rather: Guilty as charged. He screwed up big time.
Sheehan: Yeah, ok. I don't know what the hell she was thinking. Poor choice of words to say the least. I don't think this proves the right's case that she wants U.S. soldiers to die and islamic extremists to live.
Kerry: Frist of all, let's not misquote him: "there is no reason ... that young American soldiers need to be going into the homes of Iraqis in the dead of night, terrorizing kids and children, you know, women, breaking sort of the customs of the -- of -- the historical customs, religious customs. ... Iraqis should be doing that." Secondly, let's not forget the meaning of terrorize: 1 : to fill with terror or anxiety : SCARE 2 : to coerce by threat or violence.
Is Kerry lying? Do you not watch the news? [link to www.msnbc.msn.com]
Durban: He apologized on the Senate floor: [link to www.cnn.com]
Fox: He's stating a fact, not a smear. Talent was the lead cosponsor of legislation that would criminalize stem cell research and throw anyone who conducted or received the benefits of stem cell research in jail for up to ten years. (House Bill s. 658)
Dean: Yeah, ok. Sometimes I wish really wish this guy was not heading up the Dems.
Reid: So Republicans DO want to save Social Security? Yeah, just like they want to fund public schools and make sure everyone has healthcare.
None of those are smears. Smears have to be untrue. Good try though.
"You make my point"
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Hard to do, since you don't have one to make.
He is the king of the non apology. He is a narcissist who can't apologize sincerely to anyone. The man has NO shame. And no scruples, and no honesty, and no humility, and no critical thinking skills, and no humanity.
the Jersey girls ARE victims. As are the others you've sited. The Jersey girls are not portraying themselves as victims, but are being smeared because they dared to demand accountability. Half of them had voted for Bush.
These thugs you love so much are the same ones who were war wimps when they could have stood up and served. But they have no compunction in swiftboating Kerry, Max Cleland and John Murtha. These thugs have hijacked your party and you seem to think it's okay. So much for democracy, huh? You and yuor ilk make me sick.
That's all. Thak you!
What do you have to say about the civility of this person's discourse? Anyone care to criticize her for he vitriolic and impolite prose?
BTW, Julia.. nice rant.
Typical.
What about the substance? Care to make a rebuttal?
"Typical."
There are situations in which "civility" is pointless, even counterproductive. There is no point in being "civil" to bullies and psychopaths, like the ones that have taken over the GOP. It will just be taken as weakness and exploited.
World War II likely wouldn't have occurred had Chamberlain been less civil to Hitler.
I think we call this "rationalization".
Create a bogeyman so you can suspend normal rules of etiquite.
Typical.
"typical liberal logicI think we call this 'rationalization'.Create a bogeyman so you can suspend normal rules of etiquite.Typical."
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Anyone care to criticize AA for his vitriolic and impolite prose?
and I think we call your type of shallow, simple-minded moralizing "obtuse." And it marks you as either intellectually dishonest or really, really stupid -- and in either case, among those who are not worth being civil to.
It seems to me that those who oppose stem cell research should make the following pledge. "I swear that should any treatment be developed through stem cell research that may prove beneficial to myself or members of my family, then I will not use that treatment for my disease or condition or authorize its use on members of my family."
Would Rush, if he found himself in the position of Michael J. Fox, decline a cure developed through research he currently finds to be ethically unacceptable? Someone needs to ask him.
That people like Rush, who speak out against this type of research, are the ones who scream the loudest for it to be expanded, if and when they find that they may have something that could possibly be helped by such research.
with the war in Iraq.
"I swear that should any military action be developed to defeate the islamofacists or capture them in the U.S. that may prove beneficial to myself or members of my family, then I will not use that defense for my protection or authorize its use on members of my family."
Besides as you either conveniently forget or do not know, stem cell research is allowed in the U.S. Even embryonic stem cell research... Even government funded embryonic stem cell research.
Perhaps you can draw up a little tighter contract next time?
Stem cell research is not "illegal" in the US, the same way that smoking pot is illegal. However, any insititution that receives ANY federal funds for research (cancer, TB, etc.) cannot conduct stem cell research or they will lose federal funding for the non-stem cell research. In other words, if the University of Michigan is getting $10 million for bone cancer research, it can't keep that money if it gets $1 million from the MJ Fox foundation for stem cell research. Get it?
You either are uninformed or conveniently left out the fact of referring to EMBRYONIC stem cell research. Don't you know the difference between embryonic stem cells and adult stem cells?
Can you provide a link that backs up your assertion regarding your example?
You see, you again left out the fact that the U.S. government provides funding for EMBRYONIC stem cell research right now. Don't believe me? Go look it up.
The only fact I gleen from your note is that you do not know the facts.
Typical.
I'd take that bet, because what we're doing in Iraq is making us less safe, rather than safer.
You don't respond to the proposed pledge. Would you decline medical treatment for yourself or your family that was developed by procedures you deemed to be unethical? Simple question.
It is too nebulous as there are varying degrees of medical treatment, illnesses, and ethics that are unquantified for me to answer. You would have to be to be more specific.
I suggest you answer your own question first.
;-)
Remember, Rush has a show....If you really believe that this just came out his mouth ,during his scripted show, then I have no point. But for a national show to have no gameplan is just foolish. He always has statistics and clips available..as a matter for fact, did this clip of Fox just appear on his board. I think we know the answer to that. After the commercial, "people are telling me"..what people, his staff? I f so, how did this get on-the-air to begin with? Rush is lying..and he is not stupid. His rants and hate are premeditated. How do I know?? Just listen with bias.
If you want to know, I worked in radio, the talk media for 10 years.
Thanks for taking the time to discuss.
Well it is apparant that Rush was skeptical of Fox's appearance in the ad. We know he thought Fox was either not on his medicine or acting. Okay.. He's entitled to his opinion. When he was told it was wrong, (I do believe he mentioned many emails as his source,) he corrected himself and offered an apology.
So you do not like his apology.
I do not agree with you that his rants are hateful as you characterized it. For what little its worth, I do believe Rush spoke only in the "political" sense. He felt Fox was exploiting and exaggerating his own illness for political gain. Rush was doing what many pundits are doing these days, which is dissecting any number of attack ads now showing over and over on TV. This one, however, is one of the most controversial.
that Mr. Fox was either acting or not taking his medicine. Why these two ideas only? Aren't there other possible reasons? Why pick acting...because his profession was acting?
Wasn't Pres. Reagan an actor?? Does Rush question whether Pres. Reagan was acting or wasn't taking his meds when doing things? Only two declared options...both which could only make Mr. Fox look bad. Does that sound even remotely suspicious? Or is that just Mr. L's standard operating procedure??
Good night from one American to AnotherAmerican
Designed to provoke hatred and dissension.
Then there are a few intelligent apologists for his actions, ready to pooh pooh the harsh criticism he deserves.
Rush is a master of staying just within the boundaries, his comments are precisely calibrated and devised.
But this time he made a big error, for, just as he often appeals to emotion, those he offended now appeal to emotion, the powerful and good emotion that makes us protect the helpless.
MJ Fox certainly is helpless in a very basic way: he is physically helpless, and stem cell research may provide away for him to overcome his helplessness.
MJ Fox should not be questioned or demeaned by the powerful and vicious Rush Limbaugh, and he certainly was, since Rush questioned his tactics and motives, and demeaned his intellect by suggesting he was duped.
Rush- I call on you to offer a sincere apology to one of your betters, Michael J. Fox- a courageous, bright and very very ill man.
You're welcome for the rant. You deserved it. Didn't tell you to leave....but you just seem so discontented here. That's why I told you to go where your talking points will be valued.
I don't see anything but talking points in your posts. Not impressed. But I usually don't respond to you anyway and usually don't read your posts because it's just all the same thing. Talking points regurgitated from radiocons like Rush. Who needs endless, pointless discussion with a neocon. But from now on, I'll just skip your posts as usual. Now tell the board how mean I am. What do I care?
I guess you prefer to only read the incessant insults toward conservaties, Bush hate speech, and atta boys of those with whom you agree.
Okay by me. Go for it.
Yeah. At least the insults and snarky comments are creative. Cut and pasters such as yourself are boring.
of argumentation in elementary school.
Oh well.. at least you are consistant.
If Michael J. Fox didn't have Parkinson's, and was sitting on an inflatable doughnut making a case for stem-cell research into curing pilonidal cysts, would Limbaugh still have made such a big deal about it?
It's so easy to put your mouth into play before your brain is awake. I'm so sick to death of Limbaugh opening his, spewing hurtful garbage, only to cover himself with "if this is not the case, then I apologize". When are they going to remove this moron from the network?
As a business which has to make a profit, they'll remove him from the network when they have a strong economic incentive to do so. Which means that anyone who advertises on Limbaugh's show should be boycotted. Make it clear that giving Limbaugh and other professional hatemongers public platforms will literally be a very costly proposition for all involved, and they'll disappear.
Paleo-losi was portrayed in 60 minutes as a good Christian girl. Riiiiiiiiiight.
KenWolman, it WOULD take a liberal to just start calling names automatically. It DID look like an act. Maybe it wasn't an act and that's how the disease really is, but he obviously either exaggerated it, or didn't take his medicine so it'd have a more disturbing effect on the viewer.
Rush is a man who is passionate for his work. The only reason he was using painkillers was because he didn't want to have a surgery that would cripple his radio career (since they would have to pass through his vocal chords). Painkillers are very addictive, especially for a man in pain. I'm not justifying the use of painkiller addictions, but you liberals are the same ones saying Lynne Stewart deserved a get out of jail free pass because she had cancer even though she aided and abetted the enemy. Same thing here, Foxx is using his illness to try to legalize a horrible practice, embryonic stem cell research which doesn't even have high success rates, and has more injuries/deaths.
Liberalism is a mental disorder.
-Lizzie
A brilliant example for the voters as to why people like you need to be out of power.
Go Democrats.
Republican. And she solved her problem the same way any 'good" republican would. She took it into her own hands. And then Rush made excuses why killing people for the cause is rational. Thank You Rush.
And remember, he is a JUNKIE. So pay homage to your gift from god, yes, a small g god.
As we say in Pennsylvania, you can vote for Bobby or you can vote for a Dick.
"Rush is a man who is passionate for his work. The only reason he was using painkillers was because he didn't want to have a surgery that would cripple his radio career (since they would have to pass through his vocal chords)."
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I have no problem with Rush using painkillers. I have a problem with Rush sending his maid to Denny's with cigar boxes of cash to buy those painkillers.
I have a problem with Rush then "doctor shopping" to get more painkillers. Reports said that in order to use the number of pills he was buying he would have to have been taking on the order of 200 per day. Obviously no one can take 200 per day, so if he had that many on hand, why did he have to illegally buy more? That is usually called "possession with intent to distribute," a felony.
If Rush cared so much about his career, he wouldn't have taken so many painkillers that he became hearing-impaired, requiring cochlear implants.
Please come back when your blind loyalty is dissipated a bit, allowing you to make cogent, coherent arguments. Because right now, you can do nothing of the sort.
And it's vocal "cords," not "chords." A major error, diminishing your argument. Your argument falls flat, never sharp.
I haven't seen this on many sites, but here is the video of Limbaugh while he was making his accusation. He's doing a physical imitation of Fox. As if this story wasn't ugly enough.
[link to www.msnbc.msn.com]
Actually I thought he was having a flashback to the pilinoidal cyst days and he was getting a wedgie from it.....
Hmmm An oxycotin freak calling a guy who has been diagnosed with parkinson's disease a liar.
Oh dear, I wonder who is more credible...