On MSNBC, Dornan accused Pelosi of making "a racist statement" to support abortion rights; no follow-up from Robach
During a discussion about negative campaign ads, on the 1 p.m. ET hour of the November 2 edition of MSNBC's special Decision 2006: Battleground America, conservative talk show host and former Rep. Bob Dornan (R-CA) accused House Democratic Leader Nancy Pelosi (CA) of making a "racist statement" in favor of abortion rights, when she purportedly asked him during a vote on the House floor: "[W]hat would you do if your daughter was raped by a black man?" Dornan's accusation, which was noted by the weblog Campus Progress, came during a discussion with radio host Joe Madison, who is an African-American. MSNBC anchor Amy Robach failed to challenge Dornan's accusation, stating only: "And now we end on the tone of -- certainly the way a lot of voters are viewing this election -- there is a lot of partisanship."
As Media Matters for America has noted, conservative media figures and Republican officials have recently lashed out at Pelosi, including taking "a cheap shot" at an alleged "facelift," claiming Pelosi would make "the best mask" for Halloween because of "years and years of plastic surgery," and declaring that Pelosi is a "nimrod" who is "intellectually ... not up to the task" of assuming the position of House speaker.
From the 1 p.m. ET hour of the November 2 edition of MSNBC's Decision 2006: Battleground America:
MADISON: Bob, you're about three votes or four votes short.
DORNAN: Joe, I'll tell you, Nancy Pelosi said to me once during a pro-life vote. I said, "Nancy, how can you, as a Catholic, you have the same number of daughters and sons -- we each have five -- how can you vote for abortion, taking that innocent life?" You know what she said? Brace yourself, Joe. I'll take an oath on this. She said, "Bob, what would you do if your daughter was raped by a black man?" I said, "Nancy, what a racist statement?"
MADISON: Oh, come on that's a pretty -- Wait a minute. That's a pretty -- Well, because, because, again, there's hypocrisy.
DORNAN: Exactly.
MADISON: But that question -- wait a minute -- that question was put to Dan Quayle. And then all of a sudden, he changed his attitude. So that's a legitimate question.
DORNAN: No, without the "black" adjective. I said to Nancy --
MADISON: But what does that have to do with negative ads? I mean, what are you doing? You just brought up a wedge issue, and that's why you guys are going to be shown the door.
ROBACH: See, we started out nice, everybody was in agreement.
DORNAN: No, Nancy is measuring the drapes and look at her attitude.
ROBACH: And now we're gonna end on the tone of -- certainly the way a lot of voters are viewing this election -- there is a lot of partisanship. We'll see what happens. Bob Dornan, Joe Madison, thanks so much for your time. We appreciate it.
He used to sub-host for Rush Limbaugh back in the 90s. He is just another fascist blowhard. How desperate are the Troglodytes if they have to trot out this fossil?
It is so easy to believe that Pelosi would say that. I believe she would and probably did, it is very much along her personality. With that being the case, it makes all you liberals very hypocritical for defending her racism. But, that is very typical of the liberal mentality...attack the "bad news" messenger and ignore the message when it's dispariging to demoncats.
Let's type slower for you. She was talking about HIS racism, not hers. It's very simple, you see. Uptight conservative white men are notorious for being uncomfortable with inter-racial relationships involving their daughter. She was trying to stir some empathing in Doornan by invoking an image he could relate to.
There is a reason this slimeball is no longer in Congress. He is so full of hate and venom .
This ought to put things into perspective about this hatemonger. Why is he taken seriously and allowed on the air?
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Anybody that would blindly take Bob Dornan's word on anything..........well, they shouldn't.
B-1 Bob is a nutbag who once physically attacked a man on the House floor what has been described as a suckerpunch of Democratic Congressman Tim Downey
Republics contend that Democrats are a bunch of PC wussies in thrall to their African-American overlords Jesse and Al. At the same time, the R's contend that the Democrats a bunch of racists.
Mind... spinning....
I have serious doubts about Dornan's credibility but even assuming, for the sake of argument, that Nancy Pelosi made the statement to Dornan doesn't it seem more logical that Pelosi was perhaps directing her remark towards Dornan's racism rather than revealing her own? Maybe Dornan is just too stupid, which is highly probable, to understand that Pelosi was talking more about him than herself.
I new someone would justify her reasoning for "allegedly "saying it.
Dornan is a Neaderthal... with apologies to Neanderthals. Pelosi is an ultra-liberal. Does this sound like the statement of an ultra-liberal? All I am saying is that in a private converstaion with Dornan about abortion I perhaps could see Pelosi telling Dornan that he would probably drop his objection to abortion if his daughter was raped by a black man. Context is everything...
Ultra conservatives are more prone to racism than ultra liberals based on that label alone. That is a false assessment.
As a matter of fact, many on the far left pander to minorities by telling them they are victims and are very invested in keeping their expectations low.......so as to keep them dependent on government and a firm dependable voting block. In my opinion, those that engage in that slimy tactic, well, there is definitely a racist component involved.
Ultra conservatives are more prone.........
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I meant to say "no more prone"...............
Do you really believe Nancy Pelosi is a racist? I think the what I spelled out is probably a more likely scenario of how any such exchange between Pelosi and Dornan occurred... if it did occur.
do not see her saying racist remarks. However, do I see her using race to promote her personal agenda whatever that may be? You bet! She is only a politician......
did you? Maybe it was a freudian slip because ULTRA conservatives definetly seem more proned bigotry, all you have to do is turn on right-wing radio.
"As a matter of fact, many on the far left pander to minorities by telling them they are victims"
You don't have to tell minorities anything. They feel the sting of racism every day.
I say Democrats recognize there is still racial diparities left over from Jim Crow and want to address it while racists and conseratives want to pretend it isnt so in order to protect privelege. You say tomato I say toMAHto
"As a matter of fact, many on the far left pander to minorities by telling them they are victims and are very invested in keeping their expectations low.......so as to keep them dependent on government and a firm dependable voting block. In my opinion, those that engage in that slimy tactic, well, there is definitely a racist component involved."
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The fact that you think that Blacks are stupid and lack the skills of perspicacity that would preclude us from falling for this right-wing version of the reality that you think is happening to us poor uninformed smucks doesn't speak well of your respect for people like myself. Maybe like me other Blacks vote Democratic because we support their REAL agenda not the right wing stereotyped version of Democratic policy that you try unsuccessfully to advance. The crop of conservatives on the public radar are self righteous arrogant hypocritical selfish a-holes and I could never cast a ballot for the likes of that; and I'll say this again just because people don't agree with your view of the world or your political perspective doesn't mean were the poor sat upon dupped morons that you describe in your post above. If I said the only reason you voted conservative is because you are a money obsessed selfish man and possibly even a racist you would cry foul. That's but one characiture of how I could unfairly typecast you as a conservative. You don’t like it when it’s done to you so don’t do it to others.
Your uncalled for slam at me is totally unfair. I have never said anything so insulting and for you to intimate the way I feel is pathetic.
If that is the tactic you have resorted to in order to justify your opinion, well, throw your mud elsewhere.
Her post is a reasonable take on your bald insulting assertion above.
I stand by what I said Tommy. I think you should re-read your post and all of your post alleging the brainwashing of the AA community. Give people credit for being able to intelligently assess issues on their own and reaching their own conclusions even if those conclusions differ from yours. The post like the one above is condescending and disrespectful, and even though I don't think you were intentionally being disrespectful that was the effect.
You misunderstood - I was talking about certain leaders on the left who do indeed pander to different minority constituents, you call it addressing "their" issues, I call it dividing, pandering and condescending. We see it differently. It's normal for people to respond when they see elected officials supposedly concerned about their "situation or plight in life". That's the evil majority whose responsible for the way things are for you, it's not your fault, it's theirs. That's the patronizing and pandering that is shameful. Rather than encourage hard work, education and moral responsibility, which is anyone's ticket to success, they shift the blame elsewhere, keeping people dependent, angry and pointing fingers somewhere else.
I am not strictly speaking of blacks here - it's many of the constituents of the left - women, gays, etc.
We have always disagreed here, but you know I don't judge people by their skin color or anything else - I judge them by their character. There are good and bad in all races, all genders, etc. I respect you and your opinion regardless of your race, you know that. I just disagree with political tactics of some, and you don't agree. That is fine, I respect your opinion.
I still think you are making overly broad genralizations and assumptions about how easily our buttons are pushed, nevertheles I've never accused you of bigotry or racism. I don't believe that at all. So Peace out Bro!
"...doesn't it seem more logical that Pelosi was perhaps directing her remark towards Dornan's racism rather than revealing her own?"...by IRONY 101
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Of course we don't know for absolute certainty BUT using logic & common sense that would be the conclusion MOST people would arrive at.
Pelosis comment is a racist comment. It doesn't mean shes a racist but that comment was innapropriate if she indeed said it. Ideology has nothing to do with it.
IF she said it then it was inappropriate regardless the motivation. B-1 Bobs claim she said it isnt good enough for me though.
Pelosi's comment (which at this point is apocryphal, it's just Dornan's word) is quite obviously a comment on Dornan's racism.
Where are my wooden stake and mallet? I thought someone threw Holy Water on this ghoul years ago and exposed him to the light. He is the real "living dead" in the flesh.
the right wingers first started their the Democrats are really the racist show I found it pretty funny, now it's just pathetic. The only people they're convincing of this nonsense is their base, you know people like Tommy who think I'm too stupid to know and recognize that I'm being dupped and exploited by the real racist, no the racists are the Pelosi's and Kerry's of the world not the Savages, Limbaughs, and Boortzs. I mean these people disparage Blacks and name call all year long and then come election time they demand that we vote for the conservatives. I think they deserve Steven Colbert's brass balls award.
"keep them dependent on government"
The reason I ask is that I've heard conservative radio heads make the same assertion, about other things particularly one Neil Boortz, who made the laughable statement that FDR pushed the Social Security Act through Congress " to make people dependant on government." This, despite the fact that at the time, when people became too old to work, they were faced with 2 choices, if they were lucky enough to have saved money (and this was at the height of the depression) they could live comfortably, if not, they faced destitution and death.