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More of interview revealed Stephanopoulos failed to challenge Cheney on further falsehoods

November 05, 2006 6:12 pm ET

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SUMMARY: Additional portions of the interview of Dick Cheney showed ABC News' George Stephanopoulos letting Cheney repeat the administration's self-serving and dubious assertions on Democratic tax plans, Iraq, and the economy, including the oft-repeated Republican talking point that if Rep. Charlie Rangel were to become chairman of the House Ways and Means Committee, "you would see a major tax increase."

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When portions of his interview with Vice President Dick Cheney were aired on the November 3 edition of ABC's World News, Media Matters for America noted that ABC News chief Washington correspondent George Stephanopoulos offered Cheney an opportunity to repeat the administration's self-serving and dubious assertion that terrorists want the Democrats to prevail and said nothing of the administration's recent pattern of attempting to extract political benefit from both increased and decreased violence in Iraq. Stephanopoulos also asked Cheney why President Bush isn't "getting more credit" for October's "exceptionally low" unemployment numbers and did not point out that the job-creation rate lagged, and that the unemployment rate remains higher today than when President Bush took office. As demonstrated when the additional portions of the interview aired on the November 5 edition of ABC's This Week, Stephanopoulos also failed to challenge Cheney on several other false or disputed claims about Iraq and the economy.

  • Administration doesn't "make decisions based on the polls ... or whether or not it's popular"

While discussing calls from top Republicans and U.S. Army generals that a change of course is needed in Iraq, Cheney claimed that the administration doesn't "make decisions based on the polls ... based on pundits on television, or whether or not it's popular." Stephanopoulos did not challenge the claim. As Media Matters has noted, there are numerous instances in which the administration has reportedly timed events or made policy decisions in Iraq based on political considerations. For example:

  • 2006: As Media Matters noted, on the October 24 broadcast of the CBS Evening News with Katie Couric, CBS News White House correspondent Jim Axelrod reported that a White House official told him, "[D]o not expect to see anything significant prior to Election Day" "as far as a significant change" in the Bush administration's Iraq policy and then quoted the official as saying: "You're not going to see anything before November 8th. It would be political suicide, and Karl Rove would never allow it."
  • 2004: As Media Matters noted, the Los Angeles Times reported on October 11, 2004, that the Bush administration planned to delay major assaults on insurgent strongholds in Iraq until after the 2004 U.S. presidential election, fearing large numbers of U.S. military casualties. Television news broadcasts did not mention the Times article prior to the election; however, on November 8, 2004, the top story on each of the major TV networks' morning shows was the U.S.-led forces' assault on Iraqi insurgents in Fallujah.
  • 2002: The Bush administration acknowledged that it timed the launch of its campaign to build public support for invading Iraq to coincide with the first anniversary of the September 11 attacks and the 2002 midterm elections. The New York Times reported (subscription required) on September 7, 2002:

    White House officials said today that the administration was following a meticulously planned strategy to persuade the public, the Congress and the allies of the need to confront the threat from Saddam Hussein.

    The rollout of the strategy this week, they said, was planned long before President Bush's vacation in Texas last month. It was not hastily concocted, they insisted, after some prominent Republicans began to raise doubts about moving against Mr. Hussein and administration officials made contradictory statements about the need for weapons inspectors in Iraq.

    The White House decided, they said, that even with the appearance of disarray it was still more advantageous to wait until after Labor Day to kick off their plan.

    "From a marketing point of view," said Andrew H. Card Jr., the White House chief of staff who is coordinating the effort, "you don't introduce new products in August."
  • Democrats would "block legislation to get a big tax increase"

During a discussion about the economy, Cheney repeated a familiar Republican talking point that if Democrats were to gain control of Congress, "you'd have ... a big tax increase on the American family, on the economy." Stephanopoulos noted that the tax cuts signed by Bush in 2001 and 2003 are not set to expire until 2010 but failed to challenge Cheney's claim that Democrats would issue "a big tax increase." In fact, as Media Matters has previously noted, Democrats have said they will consider increasing taxes only on those making more than $200,000 a year and would cut taxes for the middle class. Moreover, Rep. Charlie Rangel (D-NY) has said that if the Democrats were to win control of the House, and he were to become chairman of the House Ways and Means Committee, Democrats "would not raise taxes" and "would not roll back" Bush's tax cuts. Rangel has said that Democrats' highest priority would be on reducing the impact of the alternative minimum tax on middle-class taxpayers.

From the November 5 edition of ABC's This Week with George Stephanopoulos:

STEPHANOPOULOS: You also have a lot of Republican candidates for Senate out there right now -- six by my count -- who are calling either for a change of course in the war or a change of leadership.

CHENEY: George, the primary opposition to the war is coming from the Democratic Party. They haven't offered up a plan, but they've got several different positions -- withdraw; withdraw at some future date; cut off funding -- there's been legislation introduced in the House now by House Democrats to do that. The fact of the matter is, this is the right thing for us to be doing. We need to succeed here. It has a direct bearing on how we do around the world in the global war on terror.

If, in fact, [President Hamid] Karzai in Afghanistan, President Pervez] Musharraf in Pakistan -- who've been great allies in the war on terror where we've had major successes -- were to see us suddenly decide to depart from Iraq and decide that it'd gotten too tough, it would seriously undermine our efforts in all those other places. So to suggest that somehow there's a solution here to walk away from Iraq and still aggressively pursue the global war on terror, it's just wrong. It's just not valid.

STEPHANOPOULOS: Yet, you're seeing that come from your own candidates now.

CHENEY: George, it's tough. This is hard to do, no question about it, but it's the right thing to do; and that's why the president is out there as aggressively as he is, and so am I. We don't make decisions based on the polls. We don't make decisions based on pundits on television, or whether or not it's popular. It's the right thing to do and that's why we're doing it.

STEPHANOPOULOS: So, will the vote on Tuesday have any effect on the president's Iraq policy?

CHENEY: I think it'll have some effect, perhaps, on the Congress. But the president has made clear what his objective is -- it's a victory in Iraq, and it's full speed ahead on that basis. And that's exactly what we're going to do.

STEPHANOPOULOS: So, even those Republican candidates calling for a change of course are not going to get that, on Wednesday?

CHENEY: No, you can't make policy -- national security policy on the basis of that. These are people running for Congress; they're entitled to their own views on both sides of the aisle. But I think there's no question, but what -- when we get into the global war on terror, when we get into the measures that are needed to go on offense and take the fight to the enemy, if you will, that the support that we've had and continue to have is primarily on the Republican side. And I think the Democrats have come up weak on it.

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STEPHANOPOULOS: And in your view, the most serious consequences of the Democrats taking over would be their effect on Iraq policy?

CHENEY: No, it's not the only effect. First of all, a lot of what happens in that area obviously is up to the president. He's the commander in chief. Secondly, there are other issues like tax policy in the economy. The economy is going gangbusters. It's doing very, very well, primarily because of the tax cuts we put in place in 2001 and 2003. Democrats overwhelmingly opposed those. Those cuts have to be extended if they're going to stay in place; otherwise the old rates come back.

STEPHANOPOULOS: Not till 2010, though?

CHENEY: Well, but if the Democrats were in charge of the Congress, if Charlie Rangel were chairman of the Ways and Means Committee, all he has to do is block legislation to get a big tax increase. They don't have to pass a tax increase to get one. They just have to not act, so that -- and then when those old rates came back in, you'd have a big -- a big tax increase on the American family, on the economy, and I think it would do very serious damage. I think it's one of the big issues in this campaign.

STEPHANOPOULOS: Democrats say that's what happened in the Republican Congress this year. A student loan tax cut was not extended by the Republican Congress. That's been a tax increase for those who want student loans.

CHENEY: We're talking about the -- what we did on the marriage penalty. We're talking about child credit. We're talking about death taxes. We're talking about taxes on capital gains and dividends. We're talking about the breaks for small businesses to encourage investment and expansion and job creation. All of those things have now provided about 6.8 million new jobs since August of '03 -- unemployment rate today down at 4.4 percent.

We're doing very, very well, but it all goes back to those taxes that we've put in place, the tax cuts, and the fact is the Democrats overwhelmingly opposed them. They opposed them then; they oppose them now. Charlie Rangel said there's not a single Bush tax cut that he thinks ought to be extended. Now, that's a pretty fundamental difference between the parties. If, in fact, Democrats were to take control of the Congress, Charlie Rangel takes over tax policy. I think, in fact, you would see a major tax increase.

STEPHANOPOULOS: In 2011.

CHENEY: Well, sooner than that for some of them; they're phased in at different times.

STEPHANOPOULOS: You mentioned the unemployment rate today -- 4.4 percent unemployment -- exceptionally low. Why don't you think the president is getting more credit for that?

CHENEY: Well, you guys don't help. The fact, of course, is that what's news is if there's bad news, and that gets coverage. But the good news that's out there day after day after day doesn't get as much attention.

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    • Author by IRONY 101 (November 05, 2006 7:59 pm ET)
         

      Another remark that Cheney made which went unchallenged concerned the disbanding of the Iraqi army. Cheney contended that the Iraqi army simply melted away. Well, that's not exacatly the entire story. During the invasion we specifically encouraged the Iraqi army to lay down their weapons and go home, which many did. After Saddam was overthrown there were negotiations with Iraqi military officers who were in a position to regather their men and reconstitute the army. What they wanted was back pay which amounted to approxumately $20 per man, a drop in the bucket in light of the entire cost of the Iraq invasion and occupation. The money was available but Jerry Bremer nixed the deal. I guess no one told him that the orifginal White House "plan" called for using the Iraqi army to maintain security. The devil is always in the details and it never ceases to amaxe me how this White House misrepresents facts in order to create impressions that are diametrically different than reality. Stephanopoulas should have corrected on this point.

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    • Author by HuntingtonBeachLefty (November 05, 2006 8:54 pm ET)
         

      He did address some pertinent issues;

      CHENEY: We're talking about the -- what we did on the marriage penalty. We're talking about child credit. We're talking about death taxes. We're talking about taxes on capital gains and dividends.

      If you're get married(assuming you're in the group that can legeally get married) you'll quit being penalized. Apparently married people have been penalized in the past, by being forced to pay taxes like any other two people.

      If you have children, you get some money. I don't have children, so apparently I can be penealized.

      If you're rich and dead, you get a break.I'm neither, so F*** me.

      If you've got a substantial amount coming in from capital gains and/or dividends, thankfully you'll get some "relief".

      That one won't affect me either, I've actually got to get rid of high interest credit card debt before my puny investments mean anything.With the criminal interest rates that MBNA and other bank/credit institutions were able to slide in after contributing heavily to Bush's last campaign, that might take a while.

      I get the feeling that Cheney's "good news" wasn't really directed at me.Hats off to them though, they manage to get a lot of other working people to vote for them.

      Suckers.

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      • Author by ChristianDemocrat (November 06, 2006 10:43 am ET)
           

        Apparently married people have been penalized in the past, by being forced to pay taxes like any other two people.

        That's incorrect. Under some circumstances a married couple may have to pay more taxes than the combined tax liability of two single people with the same incomes. [link to www.ncpa.org] provides a good summary of the current situation.

        As that analysis notes, tax revisions did eliminate the penalty for some, but it still exists for others. In particular, note the impact of EITC on low-income couples.

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        • Author by HuntingtonBeachLefty (November 06, 2006 3:18 pm ET)
             

          you're right, married couples do often pay more than they would individually. I didn't word that very well.

          I've never been married, so I don't know all the details,but I guess that a two income couple does get knocked into another tax bracket.

          At the risk of not being very romantic, one element of a marriage is similar to a business partnership or a merger, where resources are pooled, and taxed in that way.

          I wasn't implying that married people got a "break", just pointing out that the situation was being used by Cheney as one of those "family values" issues.

          Also significant,as you pointed out, that lower income couples probably don't get the big breaks, and are hurt the most.

          Thanks for keeping me honest.

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    • Author by jscott (November 05, 2006 10:27 pm ET)
         

      the BUSH ADMINISTRATION posted DETAILED PLANS for a NUCLEAR WEAPON on the "INTERNETS"?

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      • Author by mescal (November 06, 2006 7:26 am ET)
           

        That can't be true. Besides being incredibly STUPID, that would be an act tantamount to TREASON! Do you really expect us to believe that this would even be possible from a man who has so consistantly told us that his ONLY desire is to PROTECT us? Would that be consistant with the Bush that we've all come to know & to trust over the last 6 years... that he would give America's enemies the MEANS TO KILL US BY THE MILLIONS? And just to help his party to win another election? What do you think he is? A cheap, smug, dishonest political hack or something?

        No, you must be talking about some OTHER George W Bush. THIS one wouldn't DO that. He's sworn to protect & to defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign & domestic. THIS Bush respects our democratic institutions. THIS Bush talks to God! And God tells him what to do!

        But, wait a minute. I could be wrong. Maybe he is the money-grubbing, power-hungry, lying, manipulative, murderous, treasonous bastard that he would have to be to commit such an act. Maybe he does care nothing about this nation, but merely fronts for the power elite. Maybe he is wholey focused on advancing his own position of inherited privilege, who has managed through the manipulations of vast amounts of political contributions by corporations & the economic elites... as well as their media government-granted monopolistic ownership of the public airwaves... to dupe our people into granting them unparalleled authority over our citizens, in direct contradictions of the Constitution & our hallowed democratic traditions, & in direct contradiction to our own rights & safety.

        Naaahhh!

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    • Author by west1 (November 05, 2006 10:39 pm ET)
         

      he wouldn't need political advisor Karl Rove. It is ridiculous that the media doesn't challenge the neocons when they say Bush doesn't care about polls. What was the Mission Accomplished routine for? What was the post-Katrina Jackson Square theatrics in New Orleans?

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      • Author by jscott (November 05, 2006 11:16 pm ET)
           

        was simply a right-wing conspiracy to show us all that bush (lowercase intentional) actually can button up his shirt correctly.

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      • Author by tex (November 06, 2006 6:36 am ET)
           

        Excellent point, but evident mostly NOW is ... what is driving Bush's "campaign" schedule/itenerary?

        Bush is visiting ONLY "Red" States, attempting to bolster SOME candidates. How were those locations/candidates CHOSEN? Simple. POLLS. Which locations poll overwhelmingly Republican? Which Republican candidates are "in trouble" in those locations? Which areas, according to the polls, have LARGE previously strong GOP populations that might be "energized" into going out and voting?

        It is ENTIRELY poll driven. So, when Cheney says "We don't make decisions based on polls" ... he's LYING. Bald faced, calculated LYING.

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      • Author by david emen (November 06, 2006 9:24 am ET)
           

        Not caring about the polls tests very well with focus groups.

        The Administration does not make decisions based on the polls. Decisions are based on greed and power lust.

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    • Author by mjh (November 06, 2006 1:34 am ET)
         

      Dubya didn't have Rove's assistance for that, too?

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    • Author by fawltylogic (November 06, 2006 12:24 pm ET)
         

      "STEPHANOPOULOS: You mentioned the unemployment rate today -- 4.4 percent unemployment -- exceptionally low. Why don't you think the president is getting more credit for that?

      CHENEY: Well, you guys don't help. The fact, of course, is that what's news is if there's bad news, and that gets coverage. But the good news that's out there day after day after day doesn't get as much attention."

      The good news does get attention - the low unemployment and increased home ownership, which was the only thing the Republicans have been able to bring up, have been mentioned extensively. What other good news is there?

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      • Author by MickD (November 06, 2006 10:22 pm ET)
           

        On what planet is the Dark Lord talking about? I've heard cheerleading on the unemploy numbers by every f-ing news happy talker in the stratosphere. Poor Dickie, no one likes him.

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    • Author by njguy93 (November 06, 2006 1:18 pm ET)
         

      should be tried for War Crimes in the Hague along with George Bush, Dick Cheney, Donald Rumsfeld, Condoleezza Rice, and many others. He made that staggeringly stupid decision to disband the Iraqi Military, sending thousands of armed and angry Ba'athists out into society to simply melt in and simmer with anger while unemployed and in possession of machine guns. They make up a substantial chunk of the insurgency that is currentlycrippling the American military in Iraq. About 90% of the insurgency in Iraq is home-grown. On PBS's Frontline several weeks ago, Bremer was still on there defending his indefensible position. There was a U.S. official on there who was in Iraq saying that the Iraqi Military was at first ready, willing, and able to fully cooperate with American military forces and administrators in order to help secure Iraq. However, Bremer's peripheral and laser-like and single-minded focus on the all-or-nothing zero sum strategy of fully de-Ba'athifying Iraq lead him to make that crucial and costly, and, of course, deadly error. Time for L. Paul Bremer III to be held to account.

      THANK YOU. njguy93@yahoo.com

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    • Author by mjh (November 06, 2006 11:48 pm ET)
         

      First, you try to endorse the wingnut claim in an interview that the Foley scandal was the work of Democratic operatives - despite the FACT that the reporter ON YOUR OWN NETWORK who broke the story said his source was a Republican staffer . . .

      Now you're lobbing softballs at an interview with Shooter and allowing him to spin just before the election . . .

      This is truly sad, George . . . you're starting to go the way of Tricky Dick Morris, another former Clinton confidant who now smears him at every opportunity.

      You by any chance didn't happen to suck any toes, did you George?

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