Beck & O'Reilly: boot Vermont out of the union for electing "socialist" Sanders to Senate
Following the election of self-described socialist Rep. Bernard Sanders (I-VT) to the U.S. Senate on November 7, conservative television hosts Glenn Beck and Bill O'Reilly declared that Vermont no longer belongs in the United States.
On his November 14 CNN Headline News program, while referring to Ben & Jerry's, the Vermont-based ice cream maker, Beck said that "we should take the ice cream factory without the two fat guys, and we should vote them out of the union," adding: "I think you should have a renewal period on every state. I think the rest of the country should vote whether you're a state or not anymore."
Similarly, on the November 16 edition of Fox News' The O'Reilly Factor, O'Reilly blasted former state District Court Judge Edward Cashman for purportedly giving light sentences to sex offenders and declared that one of the men Cashman sentenced was given three to 10 years in prison, but is "probably going to be out at three because it's Vermont, a state that's left the union." O'Reilly then stated that "Vermont is now a state that is San Francisco values, secular-progressive all day long. They elect a socialist -- as we just talked with [Fox News political analyst] Dick Morris -- as a senator: Bernie Sanders." O'Reilly concluded: "I'm not even eating their maple syrup anymore. That's how bad it is."
From the November 14 edition of CNN Headline News' Glenn Beck:
BECK: You know, I think -- you know, and I -- honestly, I thought of this during the election. With Vermont -- is it Vermont? Which is the one that just elected the first socialist?
MICHAEL GRAHAM (radio talk-show host): Vermont. Vermont.
BECK: Yeah, Vermont.
GRAHAM: Right up the road here, yeah.
BECK: I believe we should take the ice cream factory without the two fat guys, and we should vote them out of the union. I think you should have a renewal period on every state. I think the rest of the country should vote whether you're a state or not anymore.
GRAHAM: There are plenty -- there are plenty of Americans who, I think, don't qualify as citizens from a standpoint of knowledge, et cetera.
BECK: Exactly.
From the November 16 edition of Fox News' The O'Reilly Factor:
O'REILLY: All right. Here's how bad this moron is: Jail protects children from the man, because he's in jail and can't molest children while in jail. That's why you put them there. OK? Joining us now from Boston, attorney and child advocate Wendy Murphy, who has followed the case from the very beginning.
Now, just to bring people up-to-date, there were two men involved with raping this 6-year-old girl, and this girl's life -- we've been following her -- is pretty much over, unfortunately. She's just a mess. And you can imagine a 6-year-old being raped for four years by two men. All right, so the one guy is in jail --
MURPHY: You never get over it.
O'REILLY: Right. Three to 10 -- probably going to be out at three because it's Vermont, a state that's left the union.
[...]
O'REILLY: OK, but you know as well as I do that Vermont is now a state that is San Francisco values, secular-progressive all day long. They elect a socialist -- as we just talked with Dick Morris -- as a senator: Bernie Sanders, our pal. OK, now, Bernie Sanders, in case you don't know what socialism is, advocates seizing private property, yours, Wendy, mine, everybody's, and giving it to whoever the government deems it should be given to. That's what socialism is. No private property. OK. So Vermont elects him, by a landslide, to be a senator. Vermont is for restorative justice, which is what Cashman is: no punishment -- healing. No protection -- healing.
[...]
MURPHY: And you held Cashman accountable and the press doesn't like when you hold judges accountable.
O'REILLY: You know how bad it is? Here's how bad it is. I'm not even eating their maple syrup anymore. That's how bad it is.
Why don't Glen Beck and O'Reilly just call for a ban of people's right to vote? Why don't they just call for a ban of the first amendment (unless the people who speak out are conservatives).
[link to www.vermontrepublic.org]
I always think of socialism as an economic system within which the workers themselves own the means of production.
We could all argue about how that is achieved, of course, but O'Lielly's blather is so self-serving as to turn my stomach.
Oh now here's really something to get all in a huff over. No sarcasm or levity here, no Siree!!!
Is there no sense of humor left, on the left, anymore?
...and his cloying 'common sense' dumb guy routine... I have no sense of humor. Now, if on occasion... these jokers were to make fun of themselves or their party... maybe. Actually, O'Reilly does poke fun at himself occasionally (intentionally or not).
with Glenn Beck I don't think the "dumb guy" part is always an act, same for Bill O'Reilly. As for making fun of themselves, Beck and O'Reilly can do that just by speaking 2 or 3 sentences of their nightly nonsense.
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"Bernie Sanders, in case you don't know what socialism is, advocates seizing private property, yours, Wendy, mine, everybody's, and giving it to whoever the government deems it should be given to. That's what socialism is. No private property. OK."
"wrong again" Tommy strikes once more.
Bill's statement about socialism and Bernie is just hilarious, not matter how untrue it really is. Bill was not being serious at all, anyone can tell.
If O'Reilly's statement about Bernie Sanders and socialism was a joke, then I missed the punch line.
"I'm Bill O'Reilly, thanks for watching us tonight. Can you believe it? The websites are at it again, this time they are serious about smearing me - they are now upset because I won't put Vermont maple syrup on my pancakes. Yeah, that's the latest. And people think they are doing an invaluble service exposing my lies and deceptions. OK, I'm guilty. Maybe I should just switch to omelets".
of their little diatribe is that the people of vermont are not "real americans".
The whole point is that there is such irrational hatred for O'Reilly and Beck on this website that even silly little meaningless jokes are worthy of a topic thread.
And all that does is negate the effect of their other gaffes when they may be more relevant or important.
My feelings for O'Reilly are based on facts, what he has said in the past and says on a regular basis. If that is "irrational" to you then there really isn't much to say.
Oh how I hate him for not eating maple syrup anymore!!!! If he stops link sausages, well, it's off to the electric chair!
a certain percentage of his audience will take the "joke" seriously and boycott vermont products. don't want to give money to those commies who exercised their american right to vote as they please.
I hadn't thought of that! This is far worse than I imagined. What about the adorable little Vermont Teddy Bears? Are they going to end up in a heap somewhere covered in maple syrup crying over ex-Vermont??? Say it isn't so!
yes. all your conservative aren't as smart as you. a lot won't get the "joke". and when did sanders ever say he doesn't believe in private property?
all your conservative buddies
Are you seriously making that argument? Tommy has a point here. How many posters here were talking about how effective his LAST boycott was? How many jokes about that?
Get real, it isn't even worth the time to highlight that particular piece of the article. Now if he brings it up again, or suggests a boycott go for it.
probably weren't buying a lot of brie and champagne before the french boycott.
When he starts saying these people arent Americans and this state isnt par of America because i disagree with him, his fascism is showing
What he choses to eat is irrelevant (see the effectiveness of his campaign to boycott the French).
Kicking a state out of the U.S. because they don't conform to his political agenda? This is the same tired Americans are "Un-American" rhetoric crap that the Republicans seem to have been fond of in the more recent years.
When Bill says, "I want to kick Vermont out of the Union." What is the ironic element that makes this humorous?
How about, "Al Qaeda, bomb the Coit Tower." Again, what is the witticism?
Seriously? Are these lines nothing more than knee-slappers to you? Because to me, they are symptoms.
Keep this where it belongs, on maple syrup. I am very upset here, and the rest of you are making jokes about it........Vermont could end up like Mark Foley, poof - disappear, where is the outrage??!!
I'm wondering if the village idiot has gotten a hold of your MMFA password.
Why should we believe that a man who expressly said he was not joking about letting terrorists bomb Coit Tower is joking about Vermont not being part of America anymore?
Whether he's going to personally boycott Maple Syrup or not, he's clearly upset that Sanders was elected and with their justice system. Your obsession with one single line of what he said is simply bizarre.
You seem bound and determined to assure that nobody ever makes the mistake of calling you "reasonable" ever again.
Would be you have such an irrational idolization of these guys there isnt ANYTHING they can say that you wouldnt appologize for except on the few issues you disagree with them on.
Aren't they?
If hating close-minded, ultranationalist, war-crime cheerleading, bigoted, homicidal sociopaths who want to destroy the Bill of Rights in favour of a totalitarian philosophy akin to Nazism and Stalinism is irrational.....
And having a little fun with the state of Vermont. I really don't think THIS is worth more than a head shake. Neither of them are suggesting that we nuke the place.
We HERE in Massachusetts make jokes about our state all the time...Taxachusetts is our favorite nickname for the place.
I just don't see the big deal here. Sorry.
Neither Beck or O'Reilly will INFLUENCE more than a handful of kooks to boycott Vermont. If that.
Sarcasm is a form of irony. When you are being sarcastic you say the exact OPPOSITE Of what you mean to satirize something. Surely you arent suggesting O'Reillly and Beck secretly love the idea the Sanders was elected Senator? So no, they absolutly were NOT being sarcastic. Another type of mean spirited humor entirely is your only option NOT sarcasm
Jeter is right, any reasonable person would say the same thing. This is a JOKE!! But your ideological hatred of O'Reilly clouds even your sense of humor - that is sad.
Try all your psychobabble on your gerbel, remember him?
Sarcasm is a form of irony period. Most commonly when used as HUMOR instead of ridicule without humor it is done by saying the opposite of what is meant. THAT is the difference between sarcasm as humor and biting ridicule meant ONLY as ridicule without it being a joke. This is not classic satire, it may be considered as the alternate meaning of sarcasm, a biting attack but thats ridicule its not a joke. Exactly WHAT, minus outright meanspirited ridicule which is what we are attacking here could POSSIBLY be the joke? It was an attack, not a JOKE, not something they DIDNT mean, in THAT context of sarcams, this doesnt qualify
Thanks for your insightful definitions of sarcasm, irony and satire.
Now unless Bill O'Reilly starts eating more maply syrup and stops trying to kick Vermont out of the club, I refuse to cease all ironic forms of satirical sarcasm - are you with me???
make a fool out of yourself all on your own. I dont want anything to do with it.
an ignorant, hateful and offensive joke in a long line of them. Leave people alone Tommy. You don't share our opinion and think it's much ado about nothing. We get it. You can stop now.
How about this? : O'Reilly & Beck are making fun of Vermont. Again, I don't see the big deal here. Beck is *ridiculing* them for electing a Socialist. O'Reilly is *ridiculing* them for their lax sentencing involving child sexual predators & electing a Socialist.
Beck is joking around. He's making fun of them...Maybe it's NOT particularly funny, BUT that's what he's doing. O'Reilly could be deadly serious or not, BUT he's entitled to express his opinion either way.
Did you KNOW that there has been talk by a group in Vermont to secede from the Union?
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Seceding seldom succeeds, but Vermonters try
By Josh Burek | Staff writer of The Christian Science Monitor
MONTPELIER, VT. β Politics, like fall foliage, turns faster in Vermont. The state was out front opposing slavery and first to approve civil unions. And if the activists who met here last month succeed, the state will set another precedent: first to secede since 1861. No, this wasn't a clandestine meeting of militants. It was a convention for Ver- monters, held in the plush, gold-domed capitol.
[link to www.csmonitor.com]
It WASNT satirical. The point of this difference being that whatever attempt at humor you want to assign this the bottom line is they MEANT IT. On some level it is a serious attempt to bring contempt. What it WASNT was, oh we dont really mean it we love Bernie, we think Vermont is a great state filled with good people. NO, they said what they REALLY MEANT and used it being a joke as a cover to do so. Personally I prefer honest hostility to underhanded, contempt behind a facade of false civility.
I would much rather Bush and other Republicans be honest about their efforts.
Too often they hide behind a facade that covers up their true motives. Bush did that with his Social Security privatizing efforts, for example. He claimed he wanted to change it because it was in a crisis. If there is a crisis in the way our country spends money and redistributes money, it's with the budget deficits or with the Medicare trust fund. If he wanted to deal with the most important crisis, then Social Security would not be it. Since he picked what is at a minimum the 3rd worst crisis to work on, we know he was not sincere about be worried about protecting us from a crisis!
I want them to be honest. I want them to admit their errors, so what the voters can vote on their true intentions and their true capabilities!
Lessee...Vermont can stay trapped in a union that abuses it's citizens, steals it's money, corrupts it's politics, and has only the goal of nonstop perpetual warfare and religious genocide...or it can secede, stop sending billions to the Federal monster, keep it's sons out of war crimes, and invest in it's people and it's future.
Hmmm, tough decisions.
It was little Lithuania that brought down the Soviet Empire. Perhaps it will be little Vermont that brings down the DC one.
Hyperbole -
1. obvious and intentional exaggeration.
2. an extravagant statement or figure of speech not intended to be taken literally, as βto wait an eternity.β
Whether or not it's an intentional exaggeration or not in this case is debatable.
"Bernie Sanders, in case you don't know what socialism is, advocates seizing private property, yours, Wendy, mine, everybody's, and giving it to whoever the government deems it should be given to. That's what socialism is. No private property. OK."
What tired, little game are you playing?
This isn't about maple syrup.
It's about slicing Vermont off at it's borders and collectively pushing them into the Atlantic Ocean, a real threat that worries me to death, and should you TOO!!!
And it is about maple syrup, if it wasn't so dreadfully important, as you maintain, it would not have been included. And I, for one, cannot contain my rage about it.......what does he think he's doing putting fruit on his pancakes - he is anti-American!
I've seen you debate on a much higher level. Now you're just being stupid.
Then again when its time to appolgize for MORONS deciding who is and who isnt an American stupidity is all there is
You people are off the hook. Trying to call something as stupid as saying we should boot Vermont out of the USA as some hate speech!! I can't believe how nuts you guys are acting. tommy's stuff is poking fun at the reason why something like this is even here in the first place. And you are getting all upset because he and others aren't as upset as you are. The only thing more funny than the joke is your reaction to it. wow.
...ha, ha, ha, ha....
"Bernie Sanders, in case you don't know what socialism is, advocates seizing private property, yours, Wendy, mine, everybody's, and giving it to whoever the government deems it should be given to. That's what socialism is. No private property. OK."
Bill, is just a big kidder.
when did he say that he didn't believe in private property.
..and he can't because Sanders never said it. The reason I highlight that part of O'Reilly's blurb is that it is the important part, in my opinion. All the other stuff is just fluff.
I will be serious for a moment here. This thread deserved all the skewing and satirizing it got from me.
Had it been posted with something like this > "O'Reilly and Beck mock and condemn Vermont for choosing Sanders in their Senate race" - then I would be right there with you saying O'Reilly is an idiot. Vermont has every right to vote for whom they see fit, regardless of O'Reilly's wish. He is being an idiot, case closed.
But instead, MMFA chose to highlight that they wanted Vermont out of the union and that O'Reilly has stopped eating maple syrup - they even highlighted the syrup part, so don't tell me they didn't think it was important - they did it, not me. And because of that, it deserved the satirical sarcasm it got from me.
You're the one who lost out. That was satire? I thought you might have had a stroke or something. Don't quit your day job, which seems to be posting on here.
it's quantity over quality.
Vermont doesn't border the Atlantic Ocean. Largest body of water they border is Lake Champlain.
Do you even know where Vermont is?
Actually, Bill should lay off the syrup. It's making his face puffier than usual.
Point is taken.
However, it is sometimes very hard to tell when some on the right (and the left) are just trying to be humorous or sarcastic. Anne Coulter talks about blowing up the NY Times and poisoning a Supreme Court justice. Ha, Ha. I know we shouldn't take that too seriously, but I also don't think of it as humor.
When you think about it, these comments by those two are not all that far off from what they have been known to utter with great seriousness...
So, you may be right. They may have been trying to be sarcastic or facetious or funny, but without a scorecard it is sometimes hard to tell.
I would say battle over real conservative misinformation and issues which affect Americans.
Not silly little sarcasms meant as nothing more than a pale attempt at humor. But I guess if we start shopping Vermont out it may be worth a bundle to us all, after all it is a beautiful state........that should be worth something.
I tend to agree with you on this one, this is a joke. I am sure if you ask Bill O he really wants to keep Vermont in the US, afterall he hates Canada and wouldnt want Vermont to annex it self to Canada.
To be serious for a second, the problem with Bill O is sometimes we dont know when he is joking.
... the problem is he's just not funny.
Except this isnt YOUR site and nobody cares what YOU think they ought to cover. If you are so obsessed with your little control issues make your OWN site and there YOU can decide what is and isnt covered
And my first order of business would be to demand Bill O'Reilly eat maple syrup again!!! I want to be taken seriously.
You want to turn yourself into a sad and pathetic joke, unfortunatly you are succeeding at that.
It's entirely comprised of taunts and threats.
>>>"Not silly little sarcasms meant as nothing more than a pale attempt at humor"<<<
You don't have the tiniest idea what Beck or O'Reilly "meant".
Beck, O'Reilly, Coulter, et al. can use the "I was just joking" defense all they want, but their message is still clear. Saying that they were just kidding doesn't magically make the substance of their comments disappear. "I was just kidding," doesn't translate as "I didn't mean it." Jon Stewart is "just kidding" too, but that doesn't invalidate his words.
I am starting an online petition to keep in Vermont closely held in our national bosom. Please go to the website - hystericalnonissuejokesfrompeoplewehate.com and sign - please!!!
We may just be driving one day east from New York and end up in the Atlantic because Vermont is gone!!!
Please, don't let O'Reilly or Beck have their way.
Sign up NOW!!
...is that you think additional attempts at humor will somehow erase the sentiment behind Beck and O'Reilly's alleged jokes. It's not working.
Your lack of respect for Vermont is an eyeopener. I am shocked to think you want us reduced back to 49, from 50. What is next for you? How many more states are they going to call the ouster for? And you sitting there, not even worried, so calmly.............tsk, tsk.
Now be a good boy and go find a maple tree to hug.
You're actually starting to make me feel embarrassed for you now...and that's really saying something. I honestly hope that MMFA deletes all these inane attempts at humor, just as they deleted your nonsense yesterday, if only to save you from further shaming yourself. You do realize that you're the only one laughing, don't you?
You should be ashamed. If you have no such capacity take it from those who like you you are totally embarrassing yourself.
Who is embarassing themselves, me or you? You, for actually getting all upset over this silliness or me, who is mocking it's relevance.
At the risk of embarassing myself more, you just can't stand the fact that this is being mocked at all.......and the more you defend it as being anything more than ridiculous, the sillier you look.
Nobody cares about O'falafle and his maple syrup boycott. Telling people who is and who isnt an American because of their political preference is deadly serious and only a fool would pretend it wasnt, and only a fool with no self respect would do so just to give cover to such cretins as Beck and O'Reilly. I am sad for you today. Not a single thing you have posted has been funny, its a desperate attempt and its failing miserably. Desperation is the worlds worst cologne and you stink of it.
Have you ever smelled a pancake smothered in blueberry syrup? Maple is from a tree, and it's natural. Blueberry syrup is just sugary dyed juice. I am deadly serious here.
If we lose Vermont, we will be drowning in blueberry sticky liquid corn syrup - oh the thought is just sickening.
Real blueberry syrup is not just blueberry flavored sugary, dyed juice. I've been making my own for more than 25 years.
They make excuses for other hatemongers people who would tell Vermonters they arent Americans because they disagree with Bill and Beck are HATEMONGERS and those who would appologize for them, say YOU are hatemonger appolgists and the reason you do it is because YOU hate too.
Tommy, guess who said this?
"I don't expect validation here, as a matter of fact, when the opposition is so vitriolic and manic, then I know I have won the argument."
Get a grip on yourself, because according to yourself your mania proves that you're losing.
Just you defending divisive rhetoric under the assumption that it is satire. You know what. I write satire, and there is nothing satirical about Beck or O'Reilly. Neither in their demeanor nor in their delivery, unless you consider Chairman Mao and Hitler great satirists of the 20th century. I mean, who didn't bust a gut when Hitler called for the extermination of the Jews and other undesirables. Too bad the members of his government were too thick to get the joke and went ahead and opened up concentration camps. I hear the original title of Mien Kampf (My Struggle) was Mien Camp (My Campiness).
Why didn't I see it? When O'Reilly and Beck talk about booting Vermont out of the country, it sends shivers up my spine as it's identical as "divisive rhetoric" as Hitler and Mao. When I think of one, I automatically think of the other.
My example is lost on you. Hate speech is hate speech. I'd prefer to cite contemporary examples vs. old standbys such as Adolph H., but then I'd have to cite O'Reilly and Beck (and Savage), which of course would bring your belly to a boil with laughter, since every dollop of dropsy nonsense falling from their mouths is merely satire that I, and other humorless liberals, don't get.
So therefore I am forced to resort to Hitler, that cutup.
BTW, I threw in Mao for spice. His hate speech was more of the capitalist pigs and the corruption of Western values variety. Exceptionally funny in Mandarin Chinese, but it loses something on translation...like Beck and O'Reilly's "humor".
Hilter's calling for the extermination of Jews is equivalent to Bill O'Reilly's switch from maple syrup to some other unAmerican form of pancake topping.
You got me!
Every pogrom in history began with the desire to merely displace undesirable a race/creed/religion. Displace or disenfranchise them. Put them somewhere we don't have to look at them. Then, as long as we have them all in one place, why not put them out of their misery? After all, who can possibly be happy being a (insert name here)?
Vermonter fits in those brackets just as easily as Jew.
It's all part of my next book: The Bloody Pancakes of November.
Which doesnt mean this is the beggining of a pogrom but contempt as humor is only funny to those who are soulsick
What exactly is the joke supposed to be? the message is since you dont believe the way WE do you dont get to call yourself an American. Which in my opinion is the MOST un-American sentiment ever expressed. So explain the humor behind this message. There isnt any. This is another failed attempt to make excuses for the inexcusable. Since nothing else comes to mind just pretend it was a joke. Hey tommy, I hear you molest small furry animals he he, dont worry it was just a joke
Beck crossed over into ignorant and disgusting land for me a long time ago, so I guess nothing he says is clever or cute or funny to me. He actually has a detrimental effect on the pea-brains that follow him. Have you actually read the posts of some of Beckβs admires? Rush's Dittos are rocket scientists compared to these guys. By the way Iβve got a great joke I lifted from John Stewart last night. He said when Beck asked Congressman Elect Ellison if he was on the side of the enemy Ellison's comeback should have been no and now let me ask you a question - as a White Male conservative can you assure me that you havenβt sucked off any gay hookers in a truck stop bathroom recently.
Would have been a great comeback, agree.
After six years of all Right Wing All The Time, my funny bone is worn thin.
These guys have a track record of saying really obnoxious stuff -- not because they believe it funny but because they think it provocative and it reflects their political ideals.
To suggest it's just humor demonstrates that YOU don't have a sense of humor, Tommy.
should get Beck and O'Reilly together on the same show. They would achieve a critical mass of stupidity that would be truly spectacular to witness.
What an innovative idea.
Let's start with voting on whether Alabama, Texas, Mississippi, Tennessee, Kansas, Utah, or any other bastion of gun-toting, anti-intellectual, intolerant, Bible-thumping, theocracy-loving, liberal-hating, anti-science, gay-bashing, immigrant-fearing, anti-feminist, Republican-worshipping xenophobes should remain in the union.
Beck and O'Really?, always on the cutting edge of great ideas.
Bill O's claim that "socialism" seeks to take property away from people - to end private proerty - is NOT what socialism is about - it is a system of government economic planning - he apparently confuses pure communism with socialism - not an uncommon mis-understanding among the thoughtless and poorly politically educated.
Just thought I would also mention that the constitution does not establish any economic system - but it does grant people the right to vote for whom ever they want - and gee - if you do support such things as states rights and democracy then we should protect Vermont's right to choose who ever they want to represent them. this goes to that other paragon of thoughtfullness Beck.
We probably disagree on most everything, but you make a good point about Vermont and their right to elect freely whomever they choose. States rights are critical to our Constitution - something Beck should appreciate, while O'Reilly may have trouble with, considering he is nothing but a big government Republican.
Tommy - from many of your other posts I also suspect we would disagree on much - but - I am a firm supporter of the constitution - I take it very seriously and while we may differ on the meaning of the document most of your comments that I have seen show a basic respect for it - in that we are in total agreement.
O'Reilly says "Vermont is now a state that is San Francisco values".
That 'Pelosi-and-her-San Francisco-Values' strategy worked out really, really well for you guys in the elections, didn't it, Bill?! Keep doin' it--I liked the results.
It is good to see that extreemism works the same no matter where you are. This is not new when the Extreemists in the Muslim faith were not followed they were attacked with an "us or them" ultimatum. When the Extreem Zionists in Israel are questioned they turn on their fellow Israeli's and when you do anything in this country that the right doesnt agree with they have these stooges ready to kick you out of the union. Who hates democracy? Extreemist Muslims, Jews and CHRISTIANS thats who. Give it about two weeks or so and Coulter and her ilk will be saying that if people bombed Vermont it would be acceptable, of course just as a joke because if it wasnt a joke she could be considered part of any crime commited. It is interesting to note how many Repugs claim to be comedians just to avoid prosecution for the same crimes of intolerance that someone of the Nation Of Islam or the Aryan Brotherhood would be put away for life for. Pat Robertson will soon say they are asking to be bombed and any good Christian would do it. Accepting this intolerance from any Extreemists no matter there faith is to be a traitor to democracry not to mention being blind to history.
Beck:
I believe we should take the ice cream factory without the two fat guys, and we should vote them out of the union.
vs. O'Reilly:
Sanders, in case you don't know what socialism is, advocates seizing private property, yours, Wendy, mine, everybody's, and giving it to whoever the government deems it should be given to.
And Beck, FYI-- you tend to find very few actual libertarians advocating for seizure of public property-- so if you want to cling to the charade, you might want to keep that nonsense to a dull (no pun intended) roar.
The Green Mountain Boys would not approve!!!
Why do these schmucks have a forum and the loud speaker of Cable News Broadcasting either Fox or CNN????
Answer: "Fascist's Propaganda!!"
Sarcasm or non-sarcasm it shows a blatently disrespect of democracy and a state's right to choose who represents them in congress. If democracy is so important in this world--so important that we must invade places and try to make them use democracy--should be cracking jokes about it? Maybe we should all start making abortion and dead baby jokes on TV. Think about all the people that have perished in Iraq for democracy, and then you can turn around and not take it serriously in our own country. Shamefull.
GRAHAM: There are plenty -- there are plenty of Americans who, I think, don't qualify as citizens from a standpoint of knowledge, et cetera.
BECK: Exactly.
No commentary needed.
O'Reilly: "I'm not even eating [Vermont's] maple syrup anymore. That's how bad it is."
I hear sales are down, according to the latest issue of Syrup Business Review.
Of O'Reilly's now famous Vermont Syrup boycott, a follow up to his first smashing success the French boycott. Bill O'Reilly single-handedly destroyed the French economy. He's that powerful.
France + Syrup = no French Toast.
It's "Freedom Toast" to you, buddy.
Ha!
Heard about the new Bill & Glenny's Ice Cream? All the Right flavors, like "Lott's-O-Luck": White Chocolate and lots of nuts.
That's really funny
also called for a boycott of GQ magazine, I wonder how many of BO's elderly audience actually read GQ.
Someone should clue him in - they make maple syrup in Massachusettes as well, oh wait, Kennedy. He could always get his syrup fix from CANADA! They make a lot of maple syrup in Canada!
Maybe they were joking, but I'm thinking more than likely, they're not. Basically, O'Reilly, and his ilk have taken the argument of, "If you don't agree with me then why don't you leave" to a new higher plane of existence. They spew this crap all day long, and all year long. They weren't joking when they were talking about kicking Vermont out of the US. I'm sure that in their hearts, they really meant it. What really burns them up is that Vermont allows civil unions between gay people, can elect independents and socialists to Congress, and Howard Dean was the governor. They have taken the approach of if you don't agree with everything we say, you're un-American, and in O'Reilly's case, as we've seen recently, if you don't agree with this schmuck, you're a "Secular-progressive". And let's just say that they were only "joking" around. There are lots of people who listen to them that I would say, don't know the difference.
Give it up Bill. No matter how many times you say it, the mainstream is not picking up on it. Give it up. And while you're at it, just stop talking.
At BEST they were doing what Franken calls joking on the square, they really mean it, they just want to get a laugh. Its like yeah I am joking, but not really. See this isnt satire or sarcasm. When that is done what is said is the opposite of what is meant. Like Stephen Colbert. He pretends to be a Bushclone to parody Bush and his policies. Is there anyone out there that is claiming Beck and O'falafle are PARODYING this point of view and actually APPLAUD the election of Bernie Sanders? Of course not because they werent joking, or not really.
when will O'Reill;y or Beck have Sanders on their shows to explain his point of view?
He won with 66% of the Vermont vote by the way. Sounds like Democracy in action to me.
Vermont Teddy Bears is/was a regular advertiser on O'Reilly's radio show so, Vermont's position as ground zero for anti-American socialism aside, he'll probably cool down on the boycott idea as he did last January.
[link to www.sweetjesusihatebilloreilly.com]
Of course, if O'Reilly does lead a boycott of Vermont goods, maybe we'll hear about the devestation he's wrought on their economy in the "Montpelier Business Review."
Dose bill think anyone will care that he won't eat vermont maple syrup? Real Maple syrup is expensive anyway.
...is expensive. But you can taste the difference.
There is no comparison between real maple and the corn-syrup garbage foisted on an unknowing American public. Damn, I'm mad now!
I bet that nasty ole' O'Reilly just can't get enough corn syrup in his pantry!!! I say we storm his kitchen doors down and find out.
Solon, Clams, the rest - come on, let's all meet at IHOP in an hour!
Though I rarely eat breakfast at all, is they have pecan, berry, and frut syrups. I flat do not eat treesap syrup
This means you are finally starting to see the silliness in all of this?
When any commentator starts talking about who IS or ISNT American and only a pathetic excuse for a citizen would pretend it would and only someone without an OUNCE of integrity would give cover to those who do by pretending it WAS a joke and they didnt really mean it. So no I will never see it as ridiculous. Talk about maple syrup all you want,, be pathetic as you can be to pretend it was just a bad joke. Make a total fool out of yourself for another hundred posts it will NEVER make it something to laugh at when pious, self appointed MORONS think THEY can announce to the American public that since Vermont or anyone else didnt agree with THEIR politics they arent really Americans and ought not to be part of the Country. I take citizenship seriously I love this country. Those like YOU who show such contempt for the whole concept ought to be ashamed. It seems you, like Beck and O'Reilly have no capacity to feel shame for anything. Be pathetic, it wont make THIS silly, its not silly.
I always have, I never ever use the stuff. Its always fruit flavored syrups or vanilla butter syrup for me. Tree sap syrup who ever thought that was a good idea anyway?
This is a joke, eh? I wonder if Tommy and company would be defending this sentiment as a "joke" if it were reversed and Randi Rhodes had advocated kicking the South back out of the union?
Let's think back to the 2004 Democratic primary season. Dean made some comment about the Democratic party had to capture the guys who drive pickups with confederate flags on them. The press and right-wingers roasted him. For what? He wasn't saying they should be jailed or killed or have their citizenship revoked. He simply meant that Democrats have to do a better job with a certain southern demographic that does actually exist. Yet, Beck and O'Reilly suggesting that an entire state be kicked out of the union is just a "joke". Right. The stench of hypocrisy amongst the right is thick.
I wonder if [conservatives] would be defending this sentiment as a "joke" if it were reversed and Randi Rhodes had advocated kicking the South back out of the union?
Nah, they'd be screeching about how angry and hateful and unhinged the left is.
If anyone listened to Randi Rhodes, I'd be on her too like a bottle of cheap fake maple syrup to stop such hate!!
Can someone translate?
Wow, you have shown me the error of my ways. I get it now, I even agree. Self aggrandizing, self appointed moralizers are EXACTLY who ought to be telling people whether they are good enough to be Americans except it should be based on what I think and what I think is tommy you are NOT good enough to be an American nor Beck nor O'falafel and all three of you ought to get out of our good country for the good of our country. Your ignorant, anti-American sentiments mean you are NOT Americans, get out, dont come back.
Over maple syrup. Can anyone take you seriously ever again?
No matter how often you pathetically try to pretend it is. I think people take me VERY seriously. YOU on the other hand, not so much
What is anti-American is being so cavalier about possibly losing a beautiful oceanfront state? And you call yourself a true American? And you sit there all calm in your cushy chair while we are on the verge of being Vermont-less.......and don't get me started on syrup.
I am beside myself!
You don't do satire well. I think that's what you are going for. It's an art form you obviously have not mastered. Leave it to Franken and Colbert.
"I am beside myself!"
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At least you'll have someone equally as ignorant to talk to.
good one. that had to be Tommy's 10th post trying to come across as "satirical." he failed, miserably.
when this guy gets started, i resist the urge to post any comments addressing him. he's useless, and pathetic.
Lol! You don't even know where Vermont is!
It's landlocked between New Hampshire, Canada, and New York.
hasn't Glenn Beck drunk himself to death already? (I know that alcoholism is a disease, but this man is beyond sick ... he is depraved.)
Bernie Saunders refers to himself as a social democrat. That is, he is similar in philosophy to the democracy common in Western Europe.
MMFA didn't call him a socialist, O'Reilly did.
Following the election of self-described socialist Rep. Bernard Sanders...........
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The above is right below the headline, so Sanders calls himself a Socialist. If MMFA disagrees, well, they would be wrong, you would be right. If MMFA agrees, you would be wrong.
Which is it?
...you are, and so is O'Reilly and MMFA. Sanders identifies himself as a democratic socialist, which is something different from identifying yourself as a socialist. Since MMFA did put "socialist" in quotations marks in their headline, I'll assume that the following sentence omited the word "democratic" in error.
"Bernie Saunders refers to himself as a social democrat."
No, Sanders refers to himself as a democratic socialist. That means that he is socialist who wants to get elected by the deomocratic process, rather than a socialist who comes to power by over throwing a goverment. Socialists do not believe in private property rights, and Sanders is a self described socialist. Thus, Sanders doesn't believe in private property rights. It's that simple. Also, MMFA is being dishonest when it describes O'Reilly as being a conservative. O'Reilly is actually liberal on quite a few issues, and he has always denied being a conservative.
is in severe need of repair. Everything you just posted is not true.
You keep showing you have no idea what you are talking about. Under socialism it is the means of production that are collectively owned. You still get to own your home and your car. This is the difference between socialism and communism. So rent a clue or stop wasting our time. Socialism does NOT demand an end to private property.
Socialism-a theory or system of social organization that advocates the vesting of the ownership and control of the means of production and distribution, of capital, land, etc., in the community as a whole.
[link to dictionary.reference.com]
Notice that they include the word "land" in there. What do you think that means? They are talking about the government having control of private property. Get a clue.
"vesting of the ownership and control of the means of production and distribution..."
Yes, regarding production and distribution, they mention land. Obviously! How could the government own the companies without having control of the land underneath them? This doesn't refute the assertion that people could own their own private property, houses, cars, etc.
Did you even read what you quoted, seriously?
It might be argued that farmland growing a major commodity could be part of the means of production but not your house or your car.
We socialists DO believe in private property rights. We don't believe in letting corporations bribe local politicians to use eminent domain to hand your house over to them as their new parking lot.
We socialists believe in public control of basic infrastructure..roads, schools, hospitals, etc. We feel that taxation should be invested back into things that benefit the people who pay those taxes, not using it to hand WalMarts and convention centers massive freebies.
We socialists believe in bettering our communities and society in general, not devolving into a Dark Ages feudal moneyocracy where the poor live in shacks by open sewers while the very few wealthy live in massive walled villas.
We socialists believe in the Golden Rule, the capitalists only believe in gold. We socialists want to regulate the capital so it does nothing destructive or harmful, like milking old ladies of their social security or bombing little foreign children for corporate profits.
We socialists are the Good Guys, the moral ones, those who actually give a damn.
..that Beck and O'Reilly haven't resorted in calling Vermonters (ees?) a bunch of pinkos. I kind of grow tired of this Archie Bunker mentality of theirs. Next thing they'll say is "people who live in communes are Communists."
to Dubai instead?
I'd shoot myself... If I were a liberal....Good gosh, you libs, get a sense of humor. This wasn't even worth making a story out of, but I guess for this stupid web site, it was....
P.S. ahhhhhhhh yeahhhhhhhh!!!!
The whole "shoot myself if I became liberal" is how we thin the herd. The stupid ones kill themselves. With that said, how can I convine you to convert?
Why dont you go into the next room and do the world a favor
It's understandable to a certain extent that given the loss of power by their Republican deities, and with the new Democratic not yet in place, that Beck and O'Reilly have to find a more immediate object to hate. And what better target for their invective than the state that brought us civil unions (clearly proving that (social) evolution is not just a theory) and DNC chairman Howard Dean. After all, they can't just sit there in silence until January. Their ratings would plummet; although the nation's IQ average would skyrocket. The Democrats victory in the midterms should inspire us all to ideal that nothing is impossible. Here what I propose to do.
We who agree that calling for the banishment of a state because its citizens had the audacity to elect the representative of their choice (and not Beck or O'Reilly's choice), should let our voices be heard. Write letters to the editors of every newspaper in every major market and alert them to the facts. Tell them that you think that the people of every state right to vote for the candidate of their choice and that calling them unamerican and saying that they should be thrown out of the country is what is truly UN American.
And in a show of solidarity, tomorrow morning I'm having a special breakfast ..... pancakes slathered in Vermont maple syrup.
Or better yet ..... FRENCH TOAST !
Ich Bin Ein Vermonter ! ! ! !
Doonesbury was funnier a quarter century ago with the whole "Greetings from the People's Republic of Burlington!" when Bernie Sanders was elected mayor.
Of course the last laugh was that Sanders revitalized the downtown marketplace, turned a run-down waterfront into prime real estate and got Burlington recognized as one of the most liveable cities in America.
His Republican opponent's big contribution to the local economy was his obliviousness as a trustee to the Fletcher Health care redevelopment project's millions of dollars in hidden costs.
Seeing how the national media presents Vermont politicians has been pretty instructive to us locals. We've already seen Howard Dean (A moderate Democrat who as governor balanced the budget and lowered taxes.) presented as a wild eyed radical leftist. I guess it should be no surprise that Bernie Sanders should get cast as Kim Jong-il.
Just for this I officially boycott those lousy "The Spin Stops Here" fleece vests.
Billo, I've said it before and I'll continue to repeat it until it finally sinks in - you talking about child molesters and child protection laws is 100% hypocritical coming from a man who molested one of his employees with loofahs and falafels.
Also, this crap about booting Vermont from the union because they elected a socialist to the Senate - it's a bunch of bull. The way I see it, the best way for America to run economically is a meld of capitalist and socialist ideas. While free enterprise is a good idea, it must be checked by something to make the playing field a little more equal for those who are working class. Bernie brings much-needed ideological diversity to the Senate, and shame on both of these guys for saying otherwise.
although i agree with you that BO's obsession with child molesters is all brimstone and hellfire exageratted on purpose to garner credibility as a "culture warrior": keep in mind he didn't actually "molest" Andrea Mackris. He merely left her long answering machine messages and called her repeatedly with various and revolting scenarios of sex talk and masturbatory fantasies.
go to crooks and liars and search for the police report.
it's presumable that she had recordings of some of the repeated and unwelcome advances. hence the $2mil settlement.
Don't ANY of you know that Beck and O'Reilly are JOKING when they say that Vermont should be "kicked out of the union" and that Vermont has "left the union". Have you all lost your minds? Conservatives say stuff like this all the time, for fun. They are obviously JOKING!!!
You're a "lava," not a fighter, correct?
Who molests gerbils hahahahah, isnt that a hilarious joke?
They are totally serious. They want to hurt anyone who does not worship the Holy Capitalism of the Reaganite Party. They would gladly order the bombing of Vermont if they could. They are sociopaths, madmen, psychos.
Their version of humour is to hurt people and laugh at their victim's powerlessness. They are not a joke, they are damn dangerous.
Maple Syrup is sure to make Olderman's Worst List.
Bill O'Reilly sure has a bone to pick with those that harbor the least little bit of radicalism. First he gets socialism wrong (socialism is employed by Sweden with great results, hig taxes but, great results) and second, he goes after Vermont for having San Francisco ideals for electing an openly socialist representative. Who cares? This country needs some new views and faces running things, just gie them a chance Mr. O'Reilly.
Because of the civil war, I have always assumed our union was a union of no return in that you don't get to withdraw. However, if Vermont gets the boot, I want all the Northern States to go.
We could join Canada, eh? Health insurance for all, eh?
I've often thought about moving to Canada, because I love it there. Canada moving to me would be even better!
Faux's O'Reilly and CNN's Beck prosper from fat-cat fascist corporate rule. Product advertising is what keeps them and their masters in the propaganda catapulting business.The best way to deal with these neanderthals is to tune them out, don't buy products advertised on their shows, and let them and their bosses and advertisers constantly know about it. Buy products that support fair and balanced journalism. Buy Blue and vote these two idiots and their cohorts off the air.
Now, back to my VT Maple Syrup and pancakes.
c'mon people... it's a JOKE! If you would take the time to lighten up a bit you would recognize that Beck's comments are not serious suggestions to remove Vermont as a state. Franken is a comedian, I know there are lots of fans here. Beck is being sarcastic.
Hello? McFly?
I'm trying to understand this web site, but all I seem to find are insults and put downs toward those that people disagree with. Where's the intelligent debate? Where are the facts? I bet 1 in 20 posts around here actually are something other than "that guy is a poopy head" or "yeah, he's a jerk." If you disagree, put up some facts to support your opnion. Name calling offers about as much value as GWB's vocabulary.
Step it up people! Represent the Left with intelligence for once!
Yes. Your coming aboard did not add to that number, however.
Beck and O'falafel for them basically telling Vermont they are not Americans then immediatly snivel that WE are namecalling. Is that supposed to make sense? It wasnt REALLY a joke, the point was ridiclue, contempt, they USED humor to make it palatable. Nonthinking idiots MIGHT be fooled, we werent. There is plenty of intelligence on these boards. YOU have no ability to RECOGNIZE it since it doesnt come in the form of propaganda parrot talking points. Rent a clue then get back to us.
Is it keeps Bill-O from eating your maple syrup, you must have done something bad! Hey Bill, when is you gonna stop licking neo-conservative butt and start behaving like the intellectual that you pretend to be? Private property is the root of all evil and you know it.
If it keeps Bill-O from eating your maple syrup, you must have done something bad! Hey Bill, when is you gonna stop licking neo-conservative butt and start behaving like the intellectual that you pretend to be? Private property is the root of all evil and you know it.
I'm a Vermonter who would like to ask Beck and O'Reilly why Sanders got 65 % of the vote. In 2004 it was not uncommon to see Bush and Sanders signs on the same lawn. In 2006 it was not uncommon to see Sanders and republican governor Jim Douglas's signs together. Bernie is a populist. He has wide support from Vermont veterans, senior citizens, hunters, loggers, and farmers. He's a voice for those who can't afford lobbyists. My nephew once worked for Bernie, said nobody works harder. Every phone call gets tended too. Maybe Beck and O'Reilly ought to drive up here and ask a few old Vermonters why they voted for Bernie, they might learn something.
Bill and Glenn and some of you posters....miss the most important part of this subject........The good people of the great state of VEMONT in a complete landslide voted for this so called "SOCIALIST"......THE QUESTION IS......why would anyone care what BILLY AND BECKY say about this....there just 2 RIGHT WING NUT JOBS.......STILL crying over the election.............The thing is....what BILLY and BECKY and a host of others like RUSH, ANN, SAVAGE , Laura Ingraham and most important ....THE "GOP PARTY" itself.....they tell us and most important they show us each and everyday.......they dont care what the american people want or think about.....they will run there agenda down america's throat and we will choke it down..and thats the bottom line.......only 1 problem with there thinking........and on last NOV. 7th........the american people had there say.........thank the LORD!
Washington DC would send an army into Vermont. It would force it to stay in the Union against it's will. It would shoot at any resistance to occupation and declare any insurgents as "terrorists". The US military would conduct harsh reprisals against any towns that supported resistance and torture the freedom fighters that it captured.
Evil empires do that when a subjugated people rise up and declare their freedom.