Savage: Anti-gay remarks will "wind up tomorrow" on "blogs run by gays," who are "like drug addicts"
Days after telling his listeners that the "radical homosexual agenda ... threaten[s] your very survival," on the November 16 edition of his radio show, Michael Savage asserted that a "society that embraces homosexuality is a society that will not last much longer." Savage then predicted his remarks would "wind up tomorrow in several of the blogs run by gays -- and they think only of that 'cause they're like drug addicts." Later in the broadcast, Savage claimed, "There is not a mean bone in my body," and concluded: "With God's will and your listenership, we shall nuke Iran."
As Media Matters for America has noted (here, here, and here), Savage has often referred to "the homosexual mafia" and made other vitriolic attacks on gays. According to Talkers magazine, The Savage Nation is played on over 300 radio stations and reaches more than 8 million listeners each week, making it the third most-listened to radio talk show in the nation behind only The Rush Limbaugh Show and The Sean Hannity Show.
From the November 16 edition of Talk Radio Network's The Savage Nation:
SAVAGE: You don't have to think a certain way to call yourself a conservative. Try to use common sense in all of your thinking, and try to put a piece of humanity into all of your thinking, and try to put yourself in the place of the person who you are talking about before you come to a conclusion based upon what is supposedly a Republican principle.
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SAVAGE: I have said many things about many issues. When I said, the other day, for example -- and they went crazy in the media -- they keep bashing me now because I said that the homosexual mafia will not stop until we all bend our knees to the homosexual agenda. They couldn't stop quoting me. All of these guys, who are probably gay themselves, are shocked that somebody would actually say the truth.
Wherever I look, I see this going on, and I have an obligation to tell you how I see it. Now, what does that make me? A conservative or a liberal? If I tell you that the homosexual radicals -- you want call them that if you want -- the homosexual radicals, which are perhaps the most powerful group in the United States of America -- now, why do I say a thing like that? Let them type it up now and put it on the Internet.
Let's look at Hollywood. Who do you think controls what comes out of Hollywood? Do you think it's a married Catholic, who is straight and narrow? No, I don't think so. I think the purple hand is all over Hollywood. Take a look at the products that come out of Hollywood.
Take a look at the news. Rarely do you see anyone in the news business saying one word, that enough is enough; cut it out; we don't want to hear it anymore; we're sick of it; it goes against everything we believe in.
This cuts across all religious lines -- it doesn't matter whether you're Christian, Jewish, Muslim. It doesn't matter whether you're from America or abroad. We will tell you that 20,000 years of evolution, of societal evolution, has taught us the same thing: that a society that embraces homosexuality is a society that will not last much longer. Anybody who's studied history knows that.
So, why does that make me wrong for me to tell you this? Why do the people who are promoting this, this death-style, think that the people are that stupid? If you have children all you have to do is ask yourself one question on this issue and then I'm going to move on again because I'm kind of bored of that topic but I'm giving you an example. Is that a liberal or a conservative point of view on this issue of the gay issue? I mean, where do you stand on it? If you're liberal, you mean you have to support the homosexual agenda? I don't think so. In fact, I know so.
What you do in that case is you put common sense family values above both political systems and you ask yourself one question: If you have a son, would you rather your son is gay or straight? Would you rather your son get married and have children? If you have a daughter, would you rather that she become a lesbian or that she become -- excuse me -- that she gets married and have a family. Tell me what you'd rather -- how'd you answer that. Now, this is not to say that if you have a child who, at some point, tells you that they are not heterosexual that they're gay -- what are you going to do? You going to hate them? No, you can't hate them; they're your blood. You live with them.
I asked you a different question, though. I didn't tell you to hate gay people, did I? I told you to be aware of the homosexual agenda; how powerful the homosexual movement is in this country as witness the fact that you never hear any criticism of them. You see? So, now let's move on. I don't even want to talk about it. I'm giving it to you as an example, and I know it's going to wind up tomorrow in several of the blogs run by gays -- and they think only of that 'cause they're like drug addicts.
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SAVAGE: Because these people are sort of identical in philosophy to the liberals, they just have packaged it in a different way. So, when I talk about [former House Speaker] Newt Gingrich [R-GA] in the same breath as I talk about [Senate Democratic Leader] Harry Reid [NV] or [actor] Sean Penn, there's a good reason for it. And you really have to understand that I know what I'm talking about -- just look at the Political Zoo. And I mean it in good fun, you understand that. I do it in absolute -- because there's not a mean bone in my body.
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SAVAGE: She [Judith Regan] thinks that that's going to raise her up in the eyes of the public. Does that not tell you everything that she thinks -- that by saying that she was sitting with Howard Stern, we're going to think more of her. She doesn't even understand that we think less of him than we do of her and that now she has told us exactly what we need to know. With God's will and your listenership, we shall nuke Iran.
must be at the end of his little toe.
have bones
HBL
What's worrisome is that he has a following.
As in, raving paranoid sociopath. I mean, that's... incoherent.
It's a guy with a shovel cleaning up after him.
Me thinks the doth protest too much.
Savage isn't talking politics- he's talking personal, he refers to his leather daddy as "the homosexual mafia" I won't even get into Savage's coded reference to getting down on his knees for the "homosexual agenda" .
Psychiatrists call it reaction formation. You cant control your own behavior so you attempt to control other's behavior. The hate is just a little too strong, I think he disgusts himself. Rather than internalize his desires its easier to blame that most awful of boogeymen-gays. You will continue to see men make the most hateful of statements about gays because they can not come to terms that they themselves are gay. Ted Haggerty hates that gays becuase they remind him that he is gay.
that rightys are always claiming that they're having "rammed down their throats"?
Funny how most of the really anti-gay talkers are like the "gimme" question on a psych test.
#3 - Johnny wants to go downtown and fight homos instead of hanging out with the girls.Johnny is (a) gay, or (b) gay and sad
(c) Michael Savage... sorry, couldnt resist.
This guy has some serious problems. He really hates gay people. I wonder if something psychologically is wrong with this clown... It is about time he come out of the closet...
Apparently, there is a picture floating around of Savage posing nude with Allen Ginsberg. Back in the days before he became a total square.
You've just made the religious right very happy by turning hundreds of gay men straight.You've just made me a little creeped out with that image.
I Say This From The Bottom Of My Heart. If one of my kids were to tell me they were gay, I'd be happy. If they were to tell me that they were Right Wing Republicans, or Savage listeners, I'd feel terrible.
I tried to raise happy, caring human beings who contribute to society and have compassion for those less fortunate. Nothing else matters.
My mother, as liberal as she is, has not a terrible feeling inside her about her son.
She probably can't bring herself to believe that she raised a Republican!
"20,000 years of evolution, of societal evolution, has taught us the same thing: that a society that embraces homosexuality is a society that will not last much longer. Anybody who's studied history knows that."
As a graduate student in history, I'm probably not qualified to challenge Savage on this (he has a doctorate in Fijiian nutritional ethnomedicine, after all). But the claim that homosexuality inexorably causes (or is somehow mysteriously linked to) the downfall of civilisations gets thrown around an awful lot by a certain kind of populist conservative. Norman Cantor rather daftly proposed forty years ago that homosexuality brought about the collapse of the Roman Empire (a claim omitted from later publications of his book ), but other than this I have not encountered a single serious historian who thinks same-sex acts ('homosexuality' really being an anachronistic term to apply to pre-modern cultures) had any impact whatsoever on the fate of nations. This claim is so incredibly stupid that I can't even believe I'm actually responding to it. But hey, at least he believes in evolution!
The other day in SF, the school board decided to phaise out the Military ROTC program because of the, "Dont Ask Dont Tell" policy. Regarless of the thousands of students that enjoyed the program, the "Ajenda" ruled.
Then, today in on a website I read a story about a book about two male penguins that where in love and rasie a child. It is in the 4-5 year old non-fiction area of the schools. This, to me is not a book for young children.
To back up your "alleged" situations?
Children need a warm and safe place to sleep, eat and grow. They need to feel loved and taught self respect and to respect others.
When a dog mother's stray or abandonded cats, we say that's different. We don't lock the dog in the closet and pretend that somehow it's something to be ashamed of.
Remember, for many years African American were not considered actual humans. We had to learn and some are still in the learning phase.
Gay people don't want you or your children (Foley does of course) they want to live heathly productive lives.
Tolerance: a being tolerant of others' beliefs, pratices, etc. TRY IT!! PS: I'm not gay but I am a 72 year old African American who lives with the hope that people will learn to be tolerant!
shut down the "young slaveholders" club. Black kids were allowed to join if they wore white face, and adhered to the "don't ask, don't tell" rule.
The oppressive black agenda prevailed though. Now all the poor kids have is their parents Klan meetings.What happened to America?
a book about two male penguins that where in love and rasie a child. It is in the 4-5 year old non-fiction area of the schools. ... not a book for young children. - evillib1727
It's in the 4-5 year old section because that's the level it was written for. It's in the non-fiction area because - guess what - it's non-fiction: It's about an actual case where two male penguins "adopted" a baby and raised it together.
As for "being in love," that's a bit of anthropomorphization but we are dealing with 4 to 5 year olds, remember - which includes dealing with their understanding of what "being in love" means. I doubt some of the meanings (and images?) that occurred to you will occur to them.
So what's really the problem? Is it just that children might be exposed to the idea that there's nothing inherently evil or disgusting about two creatures (including, by extension, people) of the same sex being "in love?"
maybe it's you and your gay penguin agenda.
I am so tired of my taxes paying for gay penguin weddings.The only thing that makes me madder is paying for those heterosexual penguin abortions.
" The only thing that makes me madder is paying for those heterosexual penguin abortions. "
You mean the "required by liberals" penguin abortions? Conservative penguins would request that the parents/gardians be notified before such an extreme medical function is performed.
" The other day in SF, the school board decided to phaise out the Military ROTC program because of the, "Dont Ask Dont Tell" policy. Regarless of the thousands of students that enjoyed the program, the "Ajenda" ruled. " [link to www.365gay.com]
So, now, kids no longer have the freedom or right to choose a profession because someones agenda says they are not allowed to choose that profession. Very considerate of you who claim to be compassionate of others "rights"! Apparently, that compassion only applies to people YOU consider worthy. How is that different than the claims of racism that have been used earlier in this thread? Please, someone explain that one to me. I'll bet money there is no logical explanation.
Conflate local actions with national movements. Not ALL liberals are four square in favor of the efforts you describe.
By your logic all christians believe it is righteous to assasinate physicians who stray from biblical principles.
All conservatives, by your logic, believe in large intrusive government, unrestrained spending, corporate welfare and no seperation of church and state. That's what Bush wants ergo all conservatives are the same.
I mean Republichater,
I'm liberal and I think this is a bad idea also. So, using your logic, now all liberals are on your side.
You see, the article doesn't say "the liberal school board".
Do you see how stupid you are? Now, again using your logic, all repub's are stupid!
I never said liberal during my opinion on the article you are talking about. I did use liberal while continueing the humor on penguins, but not concerning the gay agenda. You did a fine job connecting the two together for me. Looks like you liberals (lol) like to throw out the 'stupid' word a lot while being so yourself. There...how's that? I used the word liberal just for you.
I never said liberal during my opinion on the article you are talking about. - republichater
I assume this was supposed to be a witty "gotcha," but I'd suggest you get in more practice before you try again. True enough, you never said "liberal" - in exactly the same way the White House never said "imminent." You did, however, refer to people who are "compassionate of others rights," specifically in this case, gay rights. Since that's not a description one would expect to find applied to conservatives, the conclusion that you meant liberals was well-founded (and one you didn't actually dispute).
As for what actually started this subthread, the San Francisco school board has a policy of equal rights for gays. The military's policy is discriminatory toward gays. The board decided it was unwilling to spend public funds on a program designed to steer people into an organization whose policies the board opposes. Just what is hard to understand about this?
Speaking of hard to understand, you conclude from that, that "kids no longer have the freedom or right to choose" the military as a career. Exactly how does ending JROTC (the J stands for "Junior," a reminder that not that long ago ROTC, aimed at college students, didn't even exist in high schools) prevent anyone from joining the military? Speaking of "no logical explanation"....
Because it affected the kids. Plain and simple. Thier agenda is more important than the kids who loved the program. PLAIN SELFISH. You can not blame the kids that joined it, nor should you mak them suffer for the uncompashion from the goverment. But as you can see, the "Agenda" is more important. What is next? And after that?
Because it affected the kids.
So now school boards are obligated to use public funds to support any program which a group of students likes? Oh, my, is that ever an open invitation to out-of-control, tax-and-spend Big Government. We'll remember that the next time some right-wing nutjob objects to something a school is doing, such as having a book in its library about two male penguins adopting a little one.
By the way, you never did explain how the lack of a JROTC program prevents anyone from joining the military.
" So now school boards are obligated to use public funds to support any program which a group of students likes? "
Well, isn't that what the aclu is spearheading? If the cheerleaders have a book club then the gays have to be allowed a book club. Thanks for pointing out the waste of government funds the aclu is causing. All wasted spending in schools can almost be directly related to some stupid liberal idea being required because someones *feeeelings* are hurt.
Based on your posts it sound to me like it's your feelings that were hurt, Hater.
And as someone else pointed out, repeatedly, your assertion that eliminating JROTC means that nobody can choose a military career is false.
Speaking of which, if it outrages you that someone might not be able to choose a military career, are you outraged that non-closeted gays are not allowed to choose a military career?
So, are you in support of the the Head Start program?
Head Start? I haven't really thought about it. Why do you ask?
Is a public funded pre-school program. I could argue abolishing this, and just say, "does this keep anyone from going into kindergarden?"
All kids must attend school Evil - its the law.
Not everyone has to be involved in ROTC or the military - it's optional (for now)
Kids are not required to attend head start. Like the ROTC program, it is a choice. And a choice to benefit those that want to succeed or get a "Head Start".
By the way, you never did explain how the lack of a JROTC program prevents anyone from joining the military.
Did I imply that?
So, are you in support of the the Head Start program?
damn
again!
if clumsy, analogy in my earlier thread.
"Don't ask, don't tell" is discriminatory. Straight students don't have to hide their orientation.
As I understand it, the program was discontinued because of that double standard.That is, it was discontinued as a reaction to discrimination.
To play the victim for those denied the right to participate in a discrimnating org. is a little disingenuous.
If kids have the right to chose a profession as you say, dont they have the right to chose abortion? What does extreme procedure mean? It is not a medical term. I think the decision is already emotionally laden, we dont need to invoke further guilt. The Bush administration just appointed a man who doesnt believe in birth control to the govt's family planning program. From Wa Po -He will oversee $283 million in annual family-planning grants that, according to HHS, are "designed to provide access to contraceptive supplies and information to all who want and need them with priority given to low-income persons." Less access to birth control means more abortions. If you want less abortions invest in sex education, contraceptives and economic growth for the poor and middle class.
" If kids have the right to chose a profession as you say, dont they have the right to chose abortion? "
Sure they do (at the moment).
" What does extreme procedure mean? "
It means waiting 8 1/2 months after pregnacy, start the delivery process, pull the legs half way out, while holding onto the legs stick a metal probe into the baby's skull, swirl it around a couple times then pull the dead baby the rest of the way out of the woman. Certainly you have THAT "right"! I guess if the kid chooses to be a murderer, he'll just have to go to medical school (aclu style).
" The Bush administration just appointed a man who doesnt believe in birth control to the govt's family planning program. "
Good for Bush! Maybe now the women who milk the system for 8 1/2 months before killing their baby will be forced to have the abortion sooner or maybe they'll be taught not to get pregnant in the first place. But, that would be too difficult an idea for liberals to understand. Gosh...not get pregnant? How immoral! Teach safe sex or even abstinance? How immoral!
Do you read your stuff before you hit "post"?
You used to TRY to sound sensible, now you're melting down like Limbaugh.
You create our own opposing argument for us, that is to say; Conservatism is hatred. The kind of disdain, contempt and roiling anger you display belies an irrational, befuddled worldview.
Keep it up!
"It means waiting 8 1/2 months after pregnancy, start the delivery process, pull the legs half way out, while holding onto the legs stick a metal probe into the baby's skull, swirl it around a couple times then pull the dead baby the rest of the way out of the woman. Certainly you have THAT 'right'! I guess if the kid chooses to be a murderer, he'll just have to go to medical school (ACLU style)."
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What you just described is called an "intact D&E," and is never, never, never performed on a fetus that is viable. So, on that point alone, you have a severe case of cranial-rectal inversion. The procedure is done usually in the case of fetuses whose brains have developed outside the cranium and cannot be removed from the uterus without severe danger to the mother.
Please return when you know what you are talking about, not when quoting from some Right-to-Birth (the holier-than-thou) types who disappear right after the baby is born) fringe group.
And the ACLU doesn't have a whole lot to do with this issue, I assume your throwing them in was to make this a more complete ignorant right-wing screed. Next time you post, try to throw in "commie pinko lesbian negro junkies" to make your rant complete.
I lived in San Francisco for several years, and one year I had my mother come visit. We took MUNI to go sight-seeing, and we were unfortunate enough to share the train with a group of JROTC kids in uniform. They were the worst-behaved, most vulgar group of kids I ever had the misfortune to encounter. I was so embarassed that I had to apologize to my mother for bringing her on the train with them. I have no sympathy for the JROTC program, since they seem to do a terrible job of teaching kids how to act. A bunch of little Michael Savages, they were.
"You don't have to think a certain way to call yourself a conservative. Try to use common sense in all of your thinking, and try to put a piece of humanity into all of your thinking, and try to put yourself in the place of the person who you are talking about before you come to a conclusion based upon what is supposedly a Republican principle."
Oh. Common sense? Like uh...none. Oh yeah, and humanity? Like uh, none, saying how you said we should kill all the Muslims in the Middle East? Especially with your commments on nuking Iran? And putting yourself in the place of the person you're talking about? You obviously have not put yourself in a gay's place and experienced the discrimination.
"When I said, the other day, for example -- and they went crazy in the media -- they keep bashing me now because I said that the homosexual mafia will not stop until we all bend our knees to the homosexual agenda. They couldn't stop quoting me. All of these guys, who are probably gay themselves, are shocked that somebody would actually say the truth."
They bash you because your bashing them and they are pointing out your hatred and lies. Bend your knees? Yeah, you'd be the first.
"If I tell you that the homosexual radicals -- you want call them that if you want -- the homosexual radicals, which are perhaps the most powerful group in the United States of America -- "
OH YEAH! They are so powerful! They even forced the United States to legalize gay marriage in ALL 50 STATES! Oh wait...nevermind. But they are so powerful, and they control everything, except our government's and armed services' policies towards gays.
"What you do in that case is you put common sense family values above both political systems and you ask yourself one question: If you have a son, would you rather your son is gay or straight? Would you rather your son get married and have children? If you have a daughter, would you rather that she become a lesbian or that she become -- excuse me -- that she gets married and have a family. Tell me what you'd rather -- how'd you answer that."
I'll tell you my answer: STRAIGHT. The reason why: because he/she would be better protected from hatred, hatred like yours. If weren't for hate-mongerers like you and Pat Robertson and just about countless others influenced by homophobia, I wouldn't care.
"You see? So, now let's move on. I don't even want to talk about it."
You brought it up, and you bring up every other night.
"...there's no mean bone in my body."
So you actually DIDN'T say any of those things I just listed?
"With God's will and your listership, we shall nuke Iran."
I don't think God's will was for everyone to nuke eachother.
" They are so powerful! They even forced the United States to legalize gay marriage in ALL 50 STATES! Oh wait...nevermind. "
Considering that none of the states want gay marriage, but it still continues to be put on the ballots...whose power are they using? Continually trying to force an not-normal ideal into normal people's lives. It's been voted on and it's been rejected. Now, will they stop trying to force that un-natural lifestyle onto those who don't want it?
The power of petition. I signed.
Considering that none of the states want gay marriage, but it still continues to be put on the ballots...
What keeps getting put on the ballots is anti-gay marriage legislation and constitutional amendments. You seem to have no clue what you're talking about, ever.
Name one thing Savage said that isn't true.
There is not a mean bone in my body. Savages hatred and insanity are palpable. The man is in more desperate need of a Haldol/thorazine cocktail than anyone I have ever seen
Here's a Jewish guy named Micahel Weiner who pretends to be a Christian named Michael "Savage"-- even calls his dead Jewish mother "Mama Savage". He was an arch-liberal academic in the 60s and 70s -- during some shows, he still refers to his holistic practices from back in the day.
Being an academic back then, he sought positions as a professor during the "affirmative action" height when almost no white men we're being hired for such positions. He re-emerges in the 1990s as the angry arch-avenger of the right wing.
This is the beauty of America. On a dime, any of us can flip our positions, beliefs, and even identities 180 degrees. And nobody bats an eye. In this amazing country, not merely does such a person avoid social ostracization. In fact, if such a person is belligerent enough, he gets a lucrative radio show!
This is why I say Weiner is a true American genius. Like many commenters have suggested, Weiner may well be a closeted gay given he "doth protest too loud". And if that's true, and he flips some day and comes of the closet, will he need to move to Russia or Iran or something?
Hell no! He'll just get another job as the arch-revenger of the gays.
As such, Weiner's not that interesting to me. America's history is full of re-re-re-invented guys like him.
But what's fascinating to me is that such a character finds such a large gullible audience.
But perhaps that shouldn't surprise me in the fattest country in the history of the planet -- a country in which women's dress sizes creep up to make sure chubby women don't feel too bad, gym classes go away so chubby kids don't feel too bad, and "health" studies come out showing the "benefits" of being chubby so 66% of the nation doesn't get too bummed.
How could anybody not love this country!
I love your comments. Ah, have you tried to put on a large T-shirt these days??? It's like a tent. Is that an accident?
You address an interesting point about our country being too opulent... we, as a nation, have gotten not only physically lazy...but intellectually lazy as well. I'm convinced it is a big factor in how easily the GOP/Corporate crowd have hijacked our best interests and continue to suck our brains dry with nonsense about 'gay' penguins, etc... in hopes we won't notice that our nat'l treasury is shooting right back into the wealthiest 1%. Damn shame. Lot of work to be done... or this so-called 'experiment' that is the good ol' US of A -- a once shining beacon of hope to the world -- doesn't fall by the wayside like some used McDonalds Happy Meal.
Oh, yea! Like Rush Limpballs! He loves his Viagra--on mysterious trips to Haiti for ' tourism' he carries lots of it. Yup--Who knows about addicts more than conservatives?
I didn't tell you to hate gay people, did I? - Savage
No, Mikey, baby, you didn't. You just said that "the most powerful group in the United States of America," so powerful that "you never hear any criticism of them," is the Hollywood-controlling "homosexual mafia," who are "like drug addicts" living a "death-style" and won't be satisfied until "we all bend our knees" to their "radical ... agenda" which "threaten[s] your very survival" and will destroy our society.
But no, you didn't say the exact words "hate gay people," so I guess it's okay, then. My bad.
I am at a loss - I have checked into all the Repugnant and Right-Wing blogs I can find, and didn't see any note taken of Savage's little anti-gay rant.
Was he wrong, about surfacing on the gay blogs?
Or is my "favorites" list outdated?
I still dont know how such a vicious man is allowed to continue to get away with his homophobic garbage. Savage is the type of person that wants to continue to divide America into the haves and the havenots. The scary thing about Savage is the amount of listeners he has.
This is a man who has had a history of spreading hate speech, yet seems to be thriving in America. So my question is now this. Why is he successful? Does hate sell in America ? Let us never forget these hateful statements from Mr Weiner.
He needs to be exposed and continued to be monitored.
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I find it quite interesting that most of you here spend all of your time attacking conservatism and christianity when in doubt that they will be the ones that will protect you. Michael Savage has said over and over again that he doesn't hate gay people. There is a difference between homosexuality and the homosexual agenda. If you don't believe me then go on Talk Radio Network and listen to the 10-26-06 show and see if you feel any different. As you continue your attack on christianity and conservatives, I'll bet you had nothing to say when the ex-president of Iran came here and spoke at Harvard and said, "In the name of Islam, homosexuality is forbidden and punishable by death". That particular line is a call for a major protest in my opinion. Now I don't know about you but I don't believe that anyone here in America hangs people or cuts peoples heads of for engaging in homosexual behavior. You don't realize how lucky you have it here. If any of you actually think that this piece of crap that came here from Iran and said those very things which he did and your response is that he had the right to do it and that it is freedom of speech and then at the same time call for Michael Savage to get booted off the air, then liberalism really is a mental disorder.
Was Free Republic too busy for you today?
Look into the logical fallacy of the "false premise," then re-read your bloviation. It's a perfect example.
"I'll bet you had nothing to say when the ex-president of Iran came here and spoke at Harvard and said, "In the name of Islam, homosexuality is forbidden and punishable by death"."
First of all, I don't see many here calling for throwing savage off the air, just execising our own free speech rights by pointing out what an A-hole he is.
And the reason you don't hear liberals protesting the ex-prez of Iran is that we enjoy public demonstrations of what happens when you elect ultra-conservative religious fanatics to office.
Your confusion lies in thinking that the best defense against the narrow minded , blind follower ideology of the people who attacked our country is to become more like them.
Thanks for the offer of protecting me with conservatism and Christianity, but no thanks. I'm going to continue to go in the opposite, more liberal, and inarguably more American direction.
And while I might criticize foreign leaders for their oppressive views, here's another difference between me and you; before I feel any right to protest the EX- president of iran's statements, i feel compelled to clean house of the same nut jobs here.
I did my part, along with a growing number of Americans who are catching on, last week during the elections.We're trying to raise the standards in our own country. Once we've got the moral high ground, then we can influence other leaders in more grown-up ways than bombing them.
Do you get the high standards part? That means when Americans decry our Gov't. using torture, you don't point to the videos of terrorists beheading people, and say "at least we're not as bad as them".
You try to eliminate any possibility of a comparison being made.
Mega-dittos, meat head.
WE LIVE IN A DEMOCRACY! WE HAVE FREEDOM OF SPEECH! WE CAN EXPRESS OUR OPINIONS!
If junior and the savage types had continued to have complete control of the government, we would indeed be living in an IRAN type of enviroment.
God says that we are not suppose to judge others and we ALL are his children. Maybe the "christian right" should read the bible again.
While there is some hostility to Christianity here it is hardly pervasive. As far as the Iranian president I dont like him. I am opposed to executing homosexuals but Iran is NOT MY COUNTRY. THIS is my country. Weiner pollutes the airwaves with his hatred and insanity HERE.
" As you continue your attack on christianity and conservatives, I'll bet you had nothing to say when the ex-president of Iran came here and spoke at Harvard and said, "In the name of Islam, homosexuality is forbidden and punishable by death". "
You got that right. You heard NO complaints from the stupid liberals when a man came to America and said gays should be killed....each and every one of them. But when someone says he doesn't like the "gay agenda" stand back while the liberals of america become totally outraged. Liberals are such hypocrits it is amazing they can even tie thier own shoelaces.
" Weiner pollutes the airwaves with his hatred and insanity HERE. "
And so did the EX president of Iran. YOU didn't complain and neither did ANY of your lunatic liberal friends when he said it HERE in YOUR America. You hypocrit!
from two days ago, then ask your nurse to get your meds, and take a nap.
We all understand it is pure projection. Your ignorance is appalling. You are by far the stupidest poster on this site. I have said many times that the guy is a nutbag. I dont know what you expect. Then again maybe the five year old you hire to read to you and explain the big words had the day off and you tried to read the posts for yourself. We know that you are incapable of higher brain function you have proven that over and over. Its all lizard brain hate and stupidty from you. So for your benifit. The man is a nutbag. He is dangerous. Everyone knows that hopefully no one gives him a syndicated radio program just because he is a rightwinger.
In America we:
Tie gay people to fences, beat them, then leave them to die. [link to en.wikipedia.org]
"The opportunity to be threatened, humiliated and to live in fear of being beaten to death is the only 'special right' our culture bestows on homosexuals." - Diane Carman, Denver Post
Homosexuality is a choice. If you choose to be denegrated...so be it. Most of America chooses to not be gay and most of America chooses to not allow the gay agenda to proceed, why do liberals have a problem with that? Isn't that democracy in action?!? We are given a choice and choose to deny. But, because of the agenda being forwarded and the liberal support of that agenda it suddenly turns into some kind of major civil rights violation. How does a lifestyle CHOICE become a civil rights complaint? Let gays be gay if they want, but the MAJORITY in America does NOT want their agenda to be forwarded.
Homosexuality is a choice.
Oh, you had us going for a time there, yes, you did. But since no one with a farthing of knowledge about the modern world would dare to maintain such an idiotic, ignorant, notion as being homosexual is just a "lifestyle choice," a notion flatly rejected by all available research and information, you went a bit too far and revealed yourself as the clever satirist you are.
Sadly, it means absolutely nothing you say after this can be taken seriously. But I say again, you did have us going. Stephen Colbert has nothing on you.
Darn, I've been sussed out. I'm glad I get some award for being right. Does that mean that you don't believe it's a choice? What do you think it is?
You will most likely NEVER know if there actually is such a reward since going by your track record you have approximatly the same chance of EVER being right as my cat has of learning to read ancient Sumerian cuneiform
To be ostracized their entire life? Who would choose to be a target for lowlifes who seem to have the backing of the so called "Majority in America"?
No one is talking about advancing a gay agenda, but we are talking about advancing a constitutional agenda to protect every American. It's time that we all understand that there is no one "type" of American". We come in all shapes, sizes and colors. We have many different belief systems. What makes us Americans is our belief that all men were created equal and every citizen should enjoy the same rights and obligations. There is nothing in our constitution about hate. There is also nothing in our constitution that denies freedom to any American.
Chose to be a heterosexual, assuming you arent another deep closet case. I am sure the women of America will consider it a day of mourning
Firstly, I think you misrepresent Khatami's comments, which seem to me to be a fairly mild expression of his previously-stated position (that capital punishment should not be practised in Arabic states - try getting G.W.B. to say that witha straight face). Secondly, when have conservative Christian groups EVER supported the free speech of those adfvocating what they call"the homosexual agenda"?
It isnt that liberalism is a mental disorder its that higher brain function is far beyond you dumb cons ability to understand, so you fear it, are jealous of it and CALL it a mental disorder.Actually conservatism at least when practiced like you practice it is an extreme form of stupidity
It's good that you're able to argue a point without calling anyone a name. Oh, wait, this is solon speaking...there has never been an arguement made by that person which didn't have name calling involved. You must be unemployed...nobody would keep you as an employee and nobody would work for you!
Show us how his statements are incorrect. Liberlism is definately a mental disorder. You claim to support freedom but require killing babies in the most horrific manner. You hypocrit. You claim to want freedom of speech but require conservative radio to be removed from the airwaves. You hypocrit. You require freedom of choice but deny it when the choice is for God. You hypocrit. Should I go on, or are you done? Liberalism is such a danger to any and every normal society that it should be outlawed, but conservatives appreciate freedom of choice so it will never happen.
repulsive as your hate. I had a long post trying to explain it to you but then I remembered who I was posting to. My cat has a better chance of understanding quantam mechanics than you have of understanding ANYTHING more complicated than a simple statement. See it isnt that liberalism is anything at all, other than something that far surpasses your understanding like most everything like ICE. Its that blatant, unbelievable, STUPIDITY is your natural state. YOUR inability to understand higher brain function isnt an example of OUR lack its an example of yours
Liberalism is such a danger to any and every normal society that it should be outlawed, but conservatives appreciate freedom of choice so it will never happen.
You mean the conservatives who got their asses kicked a few weeks ago, and are now the minority? They can't outlaw anything, hater. They don't have the power.
Your right about the nut jobs we have here in our own government and that Washington is probably more corrupt than it's been in years or ever and we need to crack down on those who choose their party over the American people. That goes for both parties and I think we are in agreement on that. But the point I was trying to make by using the savage approach is that when comparing the way homosexuality is viewed here in America to Iran, Iraq, Syria...those kind of places, it doesn't seem all that bad does it? At least that is my opinion.
is that I love America too much to be only slight;y better than those places. I'll leave that combination of laziness, fear and low expectations to the Republicans.
You were much more polite in your response than I was, no name calling,so I'll give you the high ground on that. :+)
Someone who murders their wife isnt really that bad if we compare him to John Wayne Gacy
that was bad! LOLOLOLOL.......
Here in Canada, we have a recent law against hate speech. This does not mean that unpopular or controversial commentary is banned or censored. It simply relates to speech that preaches or promotes hatred against any minority group. Some how or other, this new law has not infringed upon anyone from being able to discuss controversial issues. But it has made people responsible for what they say and write. If they promote hate and harm against individuals and/or minority groups, the offender must suffer the consequences of preaching harm to others.
I wonder if the people of the United States (BTW, I am a U.S. citizen) would entertain such legislation.
Going back to what you said about my idea of fighting the enemy is by becoming like them. I wouldn't in a million years want to be like them. The only thing that would make us like them were to declare war on those that aren't christian and say that we christians will dominate the world by executing those that aren't christian and if anyone offendes Jesus should be put to death. Now don't call me a hippocrate because I know that the way christianity started out wasn't exactly peacful and anyone who knows history understands that. Fortunately that no longer goes on. So if this country were to get attacked again...knock on wood, what would you do? Attack the enemy in it's stronghold or try to be nice and try to understand the religion of Islam a little bit more. Tony Blair tried to be nice in his country by giving them equal rights and look what happened to London last year.
"Attack the enemy in it's stronghold or try to be nice and try to understand the religion of Islam a little bit more."
Aside from the obvious vagueness in how exactly it is to be achieved, am i to understand from that sentence that you refer to "the enemy" by "the religion of islam"? Are you really sure about that? i'll give you the opportunity to retract from that, before i say anything else. If you can't see why you would do that, maybe you should think two seconds more. And maybe another two seconds. Till you do understand.
I came back but I think I'm tired of responding.
I don't expect anyone to read my posts and change their minds, but I think some could just re-read their own posts and figure out where they're confused.
"The only thing that would make us like them were to declare war on those that aren't christian and say that we christians will dominate the world by executing those that aren't christian and if anyone offendes Jesus should be put to death."
I'm pretty sure that good Christian Anne Coulter has made at least one suggestion very similar to that statement. And Savage with the nuke 'em all nonsense...ugh.
Look, one of the problems with religion lies, not in the source material (Bible, Torah, Koran), but in the INTERPRETATION of the source material. Our current enemy is not THE religion of Islam but a radical, extremist branch of that religion. A branch that interprets their source material to fit an agenda and to justify nefarious deeds. This, as you pointed out with your statement concerning early Christianity, is not unique to Islam.
The issue is not with Islam or Christianity. It is with religious extremists. It is with people that pick up a holy book and cherry pick, twist, and distort the words on the page, and omit whatever isn't convenient. Anyone can do it. A lot do.
Thanks for correcting me on that particular part of the argument. Yes it definetly is the extreme part of the religion of Islam that wants to kills us. I had just finished watching the documentary "Obsession, The Threat of Radical Islam", so Iwas a little bit out there when I posted that. I am pleased to know that there are some out there that actually believe we are under attack by these extremists. So I will conclude my posting on this page by saying that it is my sincere hope that the moderate muslims in this country and abroad that don't want anything to do with terrorism begin to stand up to these extremists. Because I believe they are the ones who can help save the west from being destroyed.
I'm glad that once you got you bearings, you were able to see the situation a little clearer. It's easy to let emotions overcome common sense, and it's something we all do from time to time (just take a look at some of the posts on this thread).
Peace.
We know we were attacked by extremists, we know they are a danger most of us were all for going into Afghanistan to go after those who DID attacks us. That has nothing whatsoever to do with IRAQ the most secular nation in the entire region. You are buying into talking points that misrepresent the liberal position. If you are talking about war against Al Queda lets go. I am all for it. Using it as an excuse to invade Muslim nations that had nothing to do with attacking us is another story. THAT is the kind of thing that will turn this into a Holy War. Islam itself is not the problem. I know Muslims that are very good people, we dont need to make the moderate and reasonable Muslims our enemy by simply defining them that way or not being discerning enough to understand that ALL Islam is not the nutbag segement.
for this damn admin. But on the Muslim thing. If you want to hate a large group of Muslims, look no farther than Iran, Afganistan, Syria ect. The men there are PIGS. PIGS!!!!! Woman have little to no rights in those countries. It is not the woman that are the problem, it is those filthy bearded pigs. If all the facist Muslims where to simply fall off the planet, this would be a better place for the BEATEN UPON WOMAN in those countries. The more I learn about those 14th century idiots, the more I dislike them. The more compassion I feel for the woman of those countries.
The rulers of Iran, that is the clerics are more than a problem I pretty much agree with your characterization of them. The PEOPLE of Iran I wouldnt agree with. The clerics were losing elections and more power year by year until we invaded Iraq, scare any country and they run to the right. The people of Iran are NOT in the 14th Century. They have women lawyers one of whom won the Nobel Peace Prize for standing up for womens rights just a few years ago, she hasnt been killed. The demographics in Iran are such that they will be reachable very soon if we stop turning this into a Holy War. Remember that Iranians are NOT Arabs their culture is not the same. This fundamentalist craze will run its course there if we stop helping it out. Did you know American movies on the blackmarket are a huge industry in Iran, did you know before this last election some of the most critically acclaimed international movies in the world were coming from Iran? Now Syria is a horse of a different color. I have NEVER trusted them since the seventies. They HAVE been helping us out in the terrorism arena but I definitly dont trust them Actually Saudi Arabia and Joradan, though our allies are just as bad. I definitly think this is a problem. A dangerous and longterm issue we must address. I am only trying to NOT make it worse by A) enlarging our enemies beyond what they need to be to address the problem and B) further buying into the silly talking point that liberals are pro Islamic terrorist or that we are willing to turn our back on the problem just because we would handle it differently.
Good clarification. I as well, do not fall for those points either. They are brought up simply to keep fear, and a division among the American people.
In order to continue the rape of the american taxpayer the right wingers sell fear. So far they have been very good at it. Bush is reaching the point that he will have moved more money into the hands of war profiteers than Lyndon did. They cover the screams of rape with "fear the baby killers", 'fear gayness', "fear terrorists', and the entire litany that is known to all.
I'm tired of this garbage.