Beck on Iran's "Holocaust conference": "Gee, the only one that wasn't there was Jimmy Carter"
On the December 14 edition of his CNN Headline News program, discussing Iran's December 11 conference, a gathering of Holocaust deniers purportedly to "debate" the existence of the Holocaust, Glenn Beck said: "[W]hen I saw [former Ku Klux Klan leader] David Duke there, I thought, 'Gee, the only one that wasn't there was Jimmy Carter.' "
But in 1979, then-President Carter signed the executive order to establish the United States Holocaust Memorial Council. The order defined the Holocaust as "the systematic and State-sponsored extermination of six million Jews and some five million other peoples by the Nazis and their collaborators during World War II." During the conversation with Heritage Foundation senior fellow Peter Brookes, Beck added that "maybe [Iran President Mahmoud] Ahmadinejad just didn't want to invite Jimmy Carter, because he was like, 'Oh, well, he'll discredit the whole conference. That guy's always wrong.' "
As Media Matters for America has noted, Beck has previously referred to Carter as a "waste of skin."
From the December 14 edition of CNN Headline News' Glenn Beck:
BROOKES: He had a speech earlier this week at a local university in Iran, and there were students who spoke up. They're very unhappy with the situation in Iran, and they were arrested and dragged away. I mean, there were people who would be put in jail; people would be beaten, I mean, all of this sort of stuff; and it's just the height of hypocrisy -- beyond disgrace -- it's the height of hypocrisy, as well.
BECK: So, I, actually -- when I saw David Duke there, I thought, "Gee, the only one that wasn't there was Jimmy Carter."
But, maybe -- maybe, Ahmadinejad just didn't want to invite Jimmy Carter, because he was like, "Oh, well, he'll discredit the whole conference. That guy's always wrong."
Becuase of Carter's latest book basically trashing Israel, that has been denounced by Democrats and Republicans, and his meddling failures over the years....he is being viewed this way.
Stick to building houses, he does that better than any foreign policy blunder he has ever done.
Carter = Buddy buddy w/Chavez Chavez = buddy buddy w/Ahmadinejad
Carter/ Chavez / Ahmadinejad
The Axis of evil! LOLOLOL
The Camp David accords were a real blunder, I mean imagine the leaders of Israel and Egypt on the White House Lawn shaking hands-- utter madness! Its so much better when they are lobbing bullets and bombs at each other. I say let 'em wipe each other out and then we can ship in all the Sudanese people that have suffered enough in their own country...
>>"Stick to building houses"
This opinion of Carter in the tiny, wingnut minority. (Part of the reason wingnuts have been losers.) Of that, the rest of us are thankful.
Even if Carter is wrong, don't you think there should be some debate about it? Instead of Beck or O'Reilly dismissing him out of hand? I have to say if the liar pundits have a strong opinion against something or someone, then I have to question their opinions, and give the benefit of the doubt to anyone they hate. I think the media IS zionist controlled, so I take it all with a KEG of salt.
to guys like Beck and friends that Carter brokered Camp David, all you have to do is sneeze in the direction of Israel and they trot out the "anti-Israel, anti-Semitic" label. Of course these standards don't apply when you try to smear a legitimately elected Congressman who happens to be Muslim.
Carter is quite simply not an anti-semite nor a holocaust denier, nor is there any proof whatsoever that he is.
I have $100 in my hand that says no one here has read Carter's book (including Beck), and is therefore no kind of authority to speak on its contents.
IT WAS ME! Damn fools stealing my lines.....
I've read plenty of Carter-bashing by the haters over at littlegreenpenises before I ever read your Carter-bashing, so I can't give you credit for being first. Sorry.
But am expressing my opinion based on his latest book. That, is how I am basing my opinion. And, I said that exact line a couple days back. EXACT.
I might have missed it if it was in that global-warming thread. I skipped over all the irrelevant crap about Carter and Gore.
Carter's done a lot of good for the world over the years, even winning the Nobel Peace Prize. Beck has done nothing but pollute our society with his ignorance and hatred.
Corrupt Kofi Annan and Peace Loving Ol' Yassir Arafat also have peace prizes. Yes, Carter's efforts were admirable, but be careful how you praise him.
Carter's done a lot of good for the world over the years. Beck has done nothing but pollute our society with his ignorance and hatred.
Now pick that apart.
nice size plastic bucket with dog crap, and just dump it right square of Beck's head. No violence, just a good, sound wake-up call.
It would make our nation stronger, and help to restore trust in the media.
Conservative charges of corruption on the part of Kofi Annan have already been thoroughly debunked. He never received a dime from Oil For Food (which is what I'm certain you're talking about). But I can name at least 3 US corporations who did...
Regardless, this part of the thread is off-topic.
"But I can name at least 3 US corporations who did..."
You tried that before but never provided the names of the corporations or anything with which to back up the charges.
By the way, since you know who profitted from the scam, how much did Kofi's rotten son rake in on the deal?
You're wrong. Go back to the thread from a few days ago where you (or somebody else) baited me like a schoolyard bully until I provided all the facts, quotes, and references you need in a very lengthy post of my own.
(Ahhhh, I remember it well. It was not long before the thread where someone named "Taz" accused me of saying "I'm bored" whenever I'm "losing" an argument. News flash, "Taz", I've used the phrase "I'm bored" exactly once on this site.)
Anyway. Here's the link for your convenience. My post is #20 of 20.
You owe me a beer.
Damned HTML.
Here's your link.
You owe me TWO beers. Since I had to waste twice as much time on your stupid bullsh*t.
Everyone, feel free to flag this post. This dude just set me off. I get 4th-grade flashbacks when conservo-trolls bait me over and over again with the same ridiculous comments.
And corn-boy, feel free to get in the last word here. I know you so desperately want to.
I mean so did Kissenger.
Why do conservative a-holes still bash Jimmy Carter?
The man inherited 8 years of bad Republican domestic policies (Nixon's biggest plus was his foreign relations; Ford was a an all around zero), an energy crisis (for which he was shouted down as an idiot for daring to address), 3-Mile Island which nearly melted down, stagflation which Paul Volker corrected at the cost of making the economy worse (for a spell) to stop the step inflation, and a quarter of a century of Iranian animosity about the CIA installing the Shah in 1953 that came to a head in the kidnapping of Americans for 444 days, which Carter in fact ended, not Reagan, who was being inaugurated even as Carter negotiated the deal for their release.
Bring any this up to a conservative and you get the line "it happened on his watch". Bring up 9/11 and "it's Clinton's fault."
Having a selective sense of history is what it means to be a conservative.
because he talks about Israel, and if anything happens to Israel they won't be Raptured.
Carter has had a history of failures. And the reason the hostages were released just prior to him leaving office was the Iranians feared our new President after the 1980 election, so they vastly lowered their demands.....this is why they were released, it had nothing to do with Carter's demands.
Be accurate with your selective history.
Was it fear of "our new president" or did they see someone in the presidency who might be willing to sell them weapons? I'm not sure.
Sage advice from a master, in all likelihood. Actually, we've gotten a little off topic here, because it seems to me we should be examining Beck's "anti-Semite" smear of Carter and not Carter's perceived failures or successes. Tommy's done a pretty good job of diverting attention away from Beck's disingenuous trash talk. I think a better topic of discussion is why the labeling of people as anti- Semitic is so successful and so pervasive.
Only fringe extremist wackos think Carter is an anti-Semite.
but, these whackos are on TV spreading their anti-Semitic gospel to the gullible masses. It seems no one wants to stand up to anyone that applies that label to others for fear of also being branded anti-Semitic. Meanwhile, the market for Muslim smears is red hot.
Yes, but unfortunately the fringe has been in power most of the last six years.
While I might not necessarily agree with Carter's take on the Israeli-Palestinian conflict, criticism of Israeli policy does not equate to Holocaust denial and Beck damn well knows it. (Hell, even Bill O'Reilly has called the Carter anti-Semitism charge bogus.) It's a cheap shot by a tiny mind.
I would not accuse Carter of being an anti-Semite. I am not qualified to do so. In my view, he is woefuly misguided.
...to make the claim that Carter's latest book "trash[es] Israel," as you wrote in the first post in this thread. Have you actually read the book or are you just parroting what you've heard? If you have read it, then I'd be very interested to hear exactly how you can justify your characterization of the book.
a hammer used similarly to "homophobe", "traitor", "pinko" and just as irreponsibly. We're so PC anymore that it's easy to put someone on the defensive by wielding these clubs. This site takes a backseat to NOBODY on name-calling.
But something that's comin' like a freighttrain is the movement to stop being Israel's friend. What other friends do they have?
And it never will. Recognizing that Palestinians are humans and have human rights is not abandoning Israel.
For proving my point about conservatives having a selective sense of history. You immediately leaped to the canard about Iran's ostensible boot-quaking fear of Ronald "I single-handedly ended the Cold War" Reagan, since we ALL know Reagan would have rained nuclear bombs on Iran, which would have killed the hostages, true, but a small price to pay for teaching them sand people a lesson.
I'm glad you're back, Tommy. I need a good laugh.
You misrepresented Carter's role in the Iranian hostage release, giving him way more credit than he deserved. I just set the record straight for you.
You are welcome.
The negotiations were done ENTIRELY by Carters administration NONE by Raygun unless you count the October suprise, which would pretty much constitute treason.
Read a HISTORY book, not a diatribe of popular conspiracy theories, since, in order for Reagan to have had anything to do with ending the hostage crisis, that would mean the "October Surprise" conspiracy theory is in fact real. In short, the "October Surprise" contends that Reagan, as governor of California, as a man with no leverage in Washington, negotiated with Iran to delay the release of the hostages till after the 1980 election was over.
In short, bull crap.
Carter's hard work that was responsible for their release. He negotiated it, not Reagan or some shadow government with allegiance to Reagan. The Iranians delayed the actual release till after Reagan was sworn in order to embarrass Carter.
Period. That's it. REALITY.
I know you'd like the Reagan Library version to be painted over the ACTUAL sequence of events, but you don't write the history books.
Do you?
(shudder)
Historians generally agree that this was a complex issue that most likely had multiple reasons behind the turnabout of the Iranians, but they still agree that the death of the Shah and the Iraqi invasion played a significant role in the sudden desire to negotiate the release.
selective history when YOU are careful with your delusions. Its just as likely that Bush went to Paris and met with the Iranians and had them KEEP the hostages until after the elections with a promise of weapons to come, I have as much evidence of this as you have of YOUR baseless assertion.
The kind of conflating a pretty suit, and a willingness to insult those true with policy insights is how we got the draft-dodging warmongering liars we have in the White House now.
Brokering a deal behind the scenes for the hostages in return for arms to the Iranian's with money from drug sales throught Panama for power makes the Republicans little more than cowards, and criminals.
Starting a war for oil profits and political power is why we have the worse, most criminal, and cowardly leadership in American history today!!!
When confronted with a honest, pious, and brave man as President the history must be re-written to fit the lies the Reagans/Bushs need to have believed for anyone to believe them.
So let' summarize for the distorted minds of the Republican numb skulls;
Cowardice+Lies+Crimes+Wars=Republian Leadership (Reagan & Bush)
Honesty+Sincerity+Courage+Peacetime Prestige in the World= Democratic Leadership (Carter & Clinton)
I know Clinton lied about sex, but to see the Republicans is to be glad it was a consenting adult, and female!!
Happy Thoughts;
Dan Grady
As usual, you nailed the key point here, and nailed it irrefutably . . . maybe the Dem party hacks won't insist that Obama takes VP on the Feingold ticket?
one little thing in your list of Democrat credits.
A little matter called Nam, the consequences to America and about eight million Vietnamese who couldn't find an innertube.
"Foreign policy blunders"
Like the Camp David accords?
"He should stick to building houses, that's what he does best"
Apparently he's also pretty good at monitoring elections - must be why he keeps being invited to do so by other nations {if only he could have doe so for the US in 2000}
" . . .with Carter they in which they knew exactly what they were getting - appeasing weakness"
As opposed to getting someone willing to sell them arms {Reagan}
Plus, Carter said that if the hostage rescue attempt failed, he would take responsibility - which he did. Still waiting for our current Deciderer-in-Chief to take responsibility for that mess in Iraq . . .
reagan the appeaser also paid the ransom the Iranian terrorists demanded, whereas Carter the non-appeaser didn't.
Jimmy Carter makes the right sooooo uncomfortable.
He's a man who is a devout Evangelical Christian and War Veteran who is anti-war and an advocate for the poor and suffering of all races and creeds, and has no 'morality' issues. The right, rather than believe he holds those views because he loves his country and closely follows the teachings of Jesus Christ (that thought gives the right a bad feeling in the pit of their stomach), they choose to believe he holds those views because he's weak or a loon.
The stock 'he's a draft-dodging, woman chasing, Christian-hater' comments don't fly with Carter. So, they concoct something else to ease their consciences.
...but for the people trashing the new Carter book, I'm certain you haven't read it. It's always funny to me when people trash things that they haven't read, or haven't seen (like certain Penguin movies going on in another thread). Carter, in his new book, talks about how Israel has a policy essntially like apartheid to keep down the Palenstinians. And if it isn't the Israelis keeping the Palestinians down; who is?
Who has all of the power? Israel. Who has all of the good guns? Israel. Who has one of the best air forces in the world? Israel. Who has the backing of the US? Israel.
If you have all of the power, and all of the money, then you could easily take a step towards oppression of a group of people that you don't like. Just because you criticize the policies of a country makes you anti-Jewish? Methinks not.
Oh, and stop mis-using the words anti-semitic. Semitic originally referred to a language group, with hebrew AND arabic being part of it, then it became interwoven with ethnicity and culture. So if you are anti-semitic you are also anti arab.
Who has all of the power? Israel. Who has all of the good guns? Israel. Who has one of the best air forces in the world? Israel. Who has the backing of the US? Israel.
Who is being told every day that they will be removed from the map? Israel.
Cite whatever 'oppression' in Israel that you can find, but it is far worse in other countries of that region.
Foremost mid east scholars, Juan Cole that is a mistranslation what was said was Israel will dissapear to the pages of time. Quoting Komeini, who was citing an 8th Century Iranian poem. It has noting to do with warfare or tanks now Juan Cole actually speaks and reads Farsi so I think I will take him at face value on this one.
"the face of the map" is not a phrase used in arabic. Given this, it's likely, or at least possible, that arabic speakers to whom the phrase is attributed might mean "Israel should not have been created in my yard. It's my land, and you guys just stole it and gave it to someone else....I'm just sayin'"
Think hard on it.
are Israeli citizens with more rights and opportunities than they would have anywhere else in the Arab world.
Comments?
Jimmy Carter has probably been our best former president in recent memory. GHW Bush and Clinton have also been active but they owe it all to Carter who set the example.
Reagan, well... And the lest said about the current resident the better.
And while I have not yet read Carter's book, I agree with Magnolialover. Carter's main concern about Israel is its policy toward the Paistinians amounts to apartheid.
And PLEEEZE don't let Bungle out of the rubber room once we get him out of the Oval Office.
the Palestinians could just decide to say, even in a whisper, even with their fingers crossed, that Israel has a right to exist.
When Israel says, just in a whisper that the Palestinians have a right to exist in THEIR OWN COUNTRY. See thats what it is a bargaining chip, the ONLY one they have. Just like the PLO who consistantly offered to recognize their right to exist in return for their land back and a Palestinian state.
Jimmy Carter was a less than 3rd rate president who had no business being anywhere near the White House. He's also a gutless weasel who refuses to talk about his new book with Alan Deshowitz. Brandeis University invited Carter to discuss the book and debate its contents with Dershowitz. According to Carter, "I don't want to have a conversation even indirectly with Dershowitz. There is no need ... for me to debate somebody who, in my opinion, knows nothing about the situation in Palestine." Now there's real courage of your convictions! Carter needs to go back to picking peanuts and pounding nails.
With George Bush and everything you say will be true.
Duhhh...Good one, Snoop...
Carter's reluctance to "debate" Alan Dershowitz probably has a little something to do with the latter's rather long and infamous history or slandering and libeling anyone who voices criticism of Israel. The man is a demonstrated plagiarist (The Case for Israel was pretty thoroughly taken to task by Norman Finkelstein of Depaul University), quote-doctor (the cases of this are so numerous they are beyond the point where a single example can capture the phenomenon) and smear-monger (he's organized campaigns to deny tenure to professors who have a history of criticizing Israel, including the aforementioned Finkelstein) who clearly has far more a political axe to grind than Carter does on the Israel-Palestine affair.
In the end a "debate" with Dershowitz would probably end up being much like a hypothetical "debate" between a respected evolutionary biologist and Ken Ham. Organized by the formers opponents and viewed mostly by them as well. It would be like a Fox News "interview" and amount to little more than sandbagging.
and not the others, with a straight face?
You're the best straight man yet.
smokedcorn5887 - has a point.
He's the count in the land of point.
" There is no need ... for me to debate somebody who, in my opinion, knows nothing about the situation in Palestine. "
Sounds like a person Pelosi would like to hire to be the next middle east intelligence director!
four.
Carter "failed" to secure the hostages release because he refused to give the Iranians anything. Fear of the incoming president in 1980 ??? Get your facts straight. Reagan sold Iran weapons in exchange for the hostages freedom, Iran- Contra sound familiar?? all while sitting on TV tell America "This country will not negotiate with terrorists". I lived through this so don't even think about claiming I'm reading history wrong. As for the Camp David Accords, the peace treaty between Israel and Egypt has never been violated. Enlighten us as to how that constitutes a failure?
Given that Jimmy Carter is one of the World's greatest Humanitarian Activists and Glenn Beck is one of the World's biggest bombastic buffoons and bigots, I don't even give any credibility to anything he says. He couldn't carry President Carter's hat. He's like a child's Id with a megaphone Ego. He brings a whole new meaning to"lowest common denominator".
To my knowledge, Ahmadinejad is a conservative. So why hasn't Media Matters blasted HIM for putting out misinformation that the holocaust never existed? This is the purpose of Media Matters (read your own "About Us" link)!!! Wake up media matters; just because someone doesn't like Bush does not make him a liberal. Punish those who spew out hate and misinformation like Ahmadinejad who deny the holocaust.
MMFA responds to conservative misinformation (defined very loosely by media matters) in the American media, not misinformation by conservative leaders abroad.
fast on your feet.
Beck is wrong about one thing. He said, "'Gee, the only one that wasn't there was Jimmy Carter." He forgot about Cindy Sheehan. She must have been too busy meeting with Hugo Chavez to attend the meeting.
I wasn't aware Cindy Sheehan was a Holocaust denier. Nor was I aware that she had expressed any support for Ahmadinejad's regime.
But I guess neocons like you can't tell the difference between Venezuela and Iran. After all, they're both countries with lots of oil which they don't want to sell to us. Which, as we've demonstrated in Iraq, is reason enough to go to war with them.
Actually have to be GUILTY of something for a rightwingnut like smokedcorn to ACCUSE them of it. Smearing is just what they do, its just who they are.
Is truly an immature jerk. MMFA is right to call him out on his hate. Why he has not been fired is beyond me.
displaying more hate than is demonstrated on this site.
It's easy to bask in the glow of Presidential retirement like Ford or Bush 1, but standing up to AIPAC and other anti-Palestine groups takes courage. Carter makes Beck uncomfortable, so that's why he equates pro-Palestine with anti-Jew. Smearing is the only way to hide the injustice of an occupation that violates international law.
Carter is and always has been a man of honesty and dignity. Beck is and always will be a smarmy little pisant; that, and nothing more.
Carter was not the best president, but last I looked, he didn't start a war, he started a peace. Nor did he put 10's of thousands of Americans at risk in a blundering misadventure. Beck's hero has killed more Americans than Osama bin Laden did. Carter helped set up the Holacaust Memorial. Beck's saint (Ronald Reagan) offered flowers to the SS dead at Bitburg.
Beck isn't worthy of being the Charmins for Carter's butt.
of thousands of Americans IN THE GROUND in Nam.
And a few million Vietnamese who couldn't escape their "liberators".
I forget. Who were those presidents? What party had the power most of that time?
I'm just a Gen-Xer and we skipped over that.
8 Years of Eisenhower, seven of Kennedy and Johnson, and Six of Nixon So the majority of the time would be Republicans.
you can't criticize Israel without being labeled anti-Semitic... unlike many of his critics, Carter's been over there and can convey the oppression he saw firsthand... it may not be politically acceptable to say what he said, but it's true...