Wash. Post presented -- without evidence -- Bill Clinton as a campaign "distraction"
SUMMARY: A Washington Post article speculated whether Bill Clinton will be the "biggest issue" in Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton's presumptive 2008 presidential candidacy. But nowhere does the article offer any concrete evidence that Bill Clinton is anything but an asset to his wife or that the public sees in him the "massive and messy distraction" the article suggests the "media-industrial complex" sees.
A December 17 Washington Post article by staff writer Lynn Duke devoted well over 2,400 words to exploring whether former President Bill Clinton will be the "biggest issue" in Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton's (D-NY) presumptive 2008 presidential candidacy. The article purported to present Bill Clinton as a double-edged sword: "Bill can deliver political superstardom. ... But there's the other Bill, the one who could be a massive and messy distraction," and claimed that the Clintons' marriage "will be central to the race" because the "media-industrial complex will again feed like hungry hounds on the Clintons, their past and future; on the Clintons and their mysteries; on power and politics as the Clinton lifeblood propelling her run against all odds." At no point, however, does the article offer any concrete evidence that Bill Clinton is anything but an asset to his wife, or that the public even sees in him the "massive and messy distraction" that it claims the "media-industrial complex" sees. Indeed, a poll the Post itself conducted indicated that Americans do not think Bill Clinton has any undue influence on Hillary Clinton, and that their past marital difficulties will not adversely affect a possible presidential bid.
As evidence of the alleged negative impact Bill Clinton may have on Sen. Clinton's presidential campaign, the Post offered only their respective favorability ratings; speculation from James Thurber, director of American University's Center for Congressional and Presidential Studies; and ambiguous comments from former Clinton White House chief of staff Leon Panetta:
It's such a delicate subject that many people who know the Clintons well refuse to talk about it. If they do, they summon their most diplomatic selves when addressing it.
"I guess the best way to say this is that they're going to be watched very closely," says Leon Panetta, Clinton's former White House chief of staff. "I think the press and everybody around him is going to be watching to make sure that the same mistakes aren't made."
Discipline: That's the key. It was Clinton's struggle while in the White House, says Panetta -- to stay focused, to not respond to diversions or to provocations. That struggle is an essential aspect of Clinton's personality.
"Clearly, in someone who is probably the brightest and most capable that I've ever met in politics, that's the weak side," Panetta says.
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Could Bill's hunger for the spotlight pose problems? You bet, says James Thurber, director of the Center for Congressional and Presidential Studies at American University. Hillary will have to be careful not to be upstaged by him or lost in the glare of his global political stardom.
Thurber, called the issue of Bill "a central question to her candidacy."
For starters, he said: "You have to be very careful in terms of Bill Clinton taking the headlines. So one way you do it is use him behind the scenes, to bring in money to your campaign through closed events. And in my opinion, you rarely have them appear on the stage together, and if you do, you don't have him speak."
Her campaign strategists also have to be "very careful" about managing Bill because "he sucks up the air around everybody when he's there," says Thurber. "And he needs to be loved. She is more self-assured, doesn't need as much adulation as he does. And that's trouble."
There are "so many barriers for her, alone, and then add Bill in there and then add his infidelity to it," says Thurber. "Well, she doesn't want to be looking over her shoulder and having questions asked by the media about it."
The article also quoted former Clinton adviser James Carville purportedly in support of assertions by the reporter that "the subject of the marriage is too hot to handle," and that "Bill Clinton could require special management by her campaign strategists, because of his political stature." But the quote Duke attributed to Carville did not support the article's characterization of his view. Duke quoted Carville saying that "[y]ou could make a pretty persuasive argument that there's more good to come out of this than bad." If anything, according to Carville, Bill Clinton is a net positive for his wife in a possible presidential campaign.
Polling by The Washington Post itself provides little support for Duke's thesis that Bill Clinton might be a net liability for his wife. A May 11-15 ABC News/Washington Post poll found that a strong majority -- 60 percent -- of Americans think Bill Clinton has "about the right amount" of political influence on Hillary Clinton, while just 9 percent thought he has too much influence. The same poll found that 47 percent of respondents stated that the way Sen. Clinton handled the Monica Lewinsky scandal had "not much impact" on their level of respect for her, and 34 percent respected her more for her handling of the situation.
Still, the Post was intent on bringing up Lewinsky:
If she runs, will voters focus too much on him? Will they remember too much of the national trauma known as "that woman" (Monica Lewinsky) -- and the presidential prevaricating, hair-splitting (what is"is," anyway?) and impeachment that followed? Can voters look at Bill without thinking of sex? If they don't think of sex, they'll likely think the word: "president," which may also not be such a good thing for the spouse who wants that title.
Far from "thinking of sex" when "voters look at Bill," Democrats at least believe that voters look back wistfully on the Clinton years. While a Los Angeles Times article explaining the "Clinton nostalgia" phenomenon was published in March 2003, Duke offered nothing concrete in the December 17, 2006, article as evidence that voters are any less nostalgic now. The Los Angeles Times reported then:
With the country jittery over the possibility of war, the stock market slumping and the economy seemingly stuck in idle, Democrats are convinced the Clinton era is looking better by the day. And they have not shied from boasting about the jobs created, the budgets balanced or the heights that Wall Street hit during the 1990s -- even if former Vice President Al Gore once seemed reluctant to do so.
Wouldn't it, then, have been equally plausible for the Post to ask: Can voters look at Bill without thinking of job creation? Balanced budgets? Economic growth?
Also, Duke wrote of Clinton: "He is prone to pop up in the press for even the smallest of curiosities, like being spotted at dinner with another woman -- bad news for an ex-president already infamous for marital infidelity." She later referenced Clinton's "periodic meetings with a Canadian auto-parts magnate turned politician, Belinda Stronach, adding: "Both have characterized themselves as just friends since they met in 2001 at a fundraiser. But tongues wagged nonetheless, because of the baggage." As Media Matters for America noted, unsubstantiated rumors about Clinton's and Stronach's relationship were played up in several tabloid newspapers -- and The New York Times -- after a photograph was taken of Clinton leaving a Manhattan steakhouse after dining with a group of people that included Stronach.
Notably, during a December 18 online discussion on washingtonpost.com, Duke was asked: "Do you sense that Hillary Clinton still loathes the media?" Duke responded, in part: "I wouldn't know if she loathes the media. She had reason, back in the White House years, when she and Bill were on the receiving end of all manner of probing and poking and analysing by the media. I think anyone would find that distasteful. Yes, even I, a media person, can see that." Duke failed to explain, however, what separated the "distasteful" media treatment from the 1990s ("all manner of probing and poking and analysing") from her article in the Post's Style section from the previous day.
Duke was not the first to pen an article speculating on how Bill Clinton and the Clintons' marriage might affect Sen. Clinton's presumed presidential bid. As noted above, the May 23 New York Times featured a front-page, above-the-fold article that examined how much time the Clintons spend together each month and conducted "a review of their respective activities," and revived unsubstantiated rumors of an affair between Bill Clinton and Stronach.















How can there be any concrete evidence when the election hasn't even happened yet? This is just a speculative article on the possible effects Bill will have if Hillary runs. No misinformation, or anything else. It's merely one woman's opinion, so what?
And she is probably right anyway, Clinton will be a huge asset and he may overshadow her at the same time, making him a distraction. Not a stretch to see that.
There is no evidence to be had, yet.
a NEWS article.
There are plenty of sources of potential evidence, as MMFA pointed out. The problem for the WaPo writer was that these sources did not support her point of view.
Speculation of this type does not belong on page one and should be clearly labeled as speculation and opinion.
The whole thing defies common sense anyway. A spouse with an approval % upon leaving office that was substantially above that of our current incumbent--hmm, sounds like a net asset to me.
Common sense tells us that Bill Clinton will likely be BOTH an asset & a distraction. BUT for the moment the article is one woman's opinion, and ONLY speculative.
A popular FORMER President could become our nation's First Gentleman. That's a story that could OVERSHADOW Hillary's candidacy right there.
AND just the idea that Bill will be back in the White House MIGHT have some voting for Hillary based on ONLY that.
Another words the possibilities for assets & distractions are probably NUMEROUS!
I'm a bit slow on the uptake...but, after you wrote that, it hit home that Bill would be the 'first-man'...er, '-husband'...ah, whatever? And, right back in the limelight of the WH. That is too funny.
Frankly, I sort of feel that any notion of Monica's BJ is so mild compared the current goings-on...it'd almost be a welcome break. I'd love to have only a BJ to worry about. If anyone ever worried at all? LOL
How about this for mind-boggling?
Let's say Hillary wins the nomination and taps Obama for Vice-President. And she wins the election.
We'll have a triple play of FIRSTS:
1) Hillary FIRST female President.
2) Barack Obama FIRST African-American Vice President
3) Bill Clinton FIRST male to take the role USUALLY assigned to the First Lady...I think First Gentleman is an appropriate title.
Even though I'm a Republican/Conservative I MIGHT consider voting for THAT possibility.
I'm fairly moderate, and liked [still do] Bill Clinton who of course was a moderate/centrist. I believe he was one of the BEST Presidents in history--or at least in my lifetime [thus far].
I have to admit, the Clinton as a gentleman meme never occured to me. Good observation!
I do...! Honestly, I too consider myself fairly moderate. Of course, I won't hesitate to have some fun with a few of the reactionaries who pass by from time to time...
Your trio of 1sts is intriguing! Would be pretty darn cool if you ask me... :-)
As the Post's own poll shows, us citizens don't think Bill has an undue influence. Therefore, it is plainly and simply misinforming the public for this Post writer to wring their hands over a potential matter that we don't care about. Furthermore, the public wants to know what H. Clinton's positions are on real issues, and they are being short-changed by articles like this.
Unless writers like Duke are called-out on garbage like this, by Media Matters and people who want to take action rather than apathetic, impotent individuals saying "who cares?", they will continue to do it, right up until election day.
I agree with you. I would be very receptive to hear what Mrs. Clinton's positions are on real issues. The problem is she is very scarce when it comes to laying her positions out there, either in print or broadcast interviews.
If you see or hear her being interviewed, please take action and inform us - because I can't find them. Then articles such as these will become impotent.
Hillary has been on air frequently spelling out her positions. I recommend, also, that you watch C-span 2 when the Senate is in session. She is quite good at explaining positions on the floor of the Senate on various issues.
whining about not being handed that information on a silver platter is more fun.
The NYT and WaPo are hacking at the Clintons to attempt to redeem themselves from the past six years of never asking Bungle about his many lethal lies, his pathetic ignorance, his unprecedented perversion of our Constitution, nor ever criticizing him, his run-wild family, his administration, or his rubber-stamp Congress.
It is almost as though they expect us to forgive and forget ; to once again bestow our trust, once they once they establish that they CAN be harsh, even if unwarrantedly and with inoperable premises.
about a week ago. clinton was in hanoi shortly after bush. he was mobbed like a rock star. bush, they pretty much ignored him.
Of course Bill C. will be a distraction! Because everywhere Hillary goes, the media will point at Bill and shout "Look! A distraction!"
You are exactly correct: William Jefferson will be a distraction precisely to the extent the MSM can make him a distraction. If they work really, REALLY hard, perhaps at least the Repugnants will be distracted.
AND, my memory of "is" matches yours, below!
...but is anyone else as sick as I am of the "is" business?
Have any of the people referring to it actually read the exchange? I saw it several years ago and while I don't recall the wording now, I was struck by the fact that the question involved two different time frames - and the answer would depend on whether "is" referred to the present day or to the time in the past in which the question was set.
Which means that in context, the infamous remark actually made perfect sense and was quite reasonable. But that matters not a whit to a sound byte, bumpersticker culture.
that one's firmly established in righty mythology. Still mentioned by callers and hosts on Republican radio, although I'd be surprised if many of them could cite it in context.
But back on topic, I do think Clinton would be a big messy distraction- for the Bushies as they try to promote the next GWB, while a decent President stands nearby, reminding everybody how low the bar has gone in the last 6 years.
And some guy with a high stress job getting a hummer at work is not a national trauma, unless you're really repressed.
I applauded President Clinton's "is...is" line at the time he made it. It was part of a response to Starr's off camera thugs during their detailed questions about body parts and sexual matters. They asked him about testimony he made when the question was "Is there a sexual relationship between.... Clinton answered. "it depends on what the meaning of the word is...is" by way of explaining, indeed, there was no current relationship just as he had testified.
... that our "MEDIA", our "free press" yearning to inform the public and make possible the true meanings of DEMOCRACY, that the defenders and protectors of FREEDOM in print and broadcast ...
MIGHT some day focus on any ISSUES about presidential candidates? Like, what kind of president the candidate might make, based on the RECORD of their governance? Or their ideas, expressed in their words and deeds?
Nah! Today's "media" is all about "appearances", and about opinionated people's opinions about what might be the factors in handicapping the horses in the race. No, that's not a fair analogy ... horse handicappers don't waste time on periferal matters which have NO AFFECT on the horse's ability to run. The trainer is having an affair? The owner is a bigger celebrity than the horse? Makes absolutely NO difference, except to gossip mongers and lightweight scandal buffs.
It says something that a topic that matters to ALL Americans -- choosing their next leader -- is nowhere near as precise or investigated or analyzed or serious as those who choose which horse will win the race.
Will Bill "overshadow" Hillary, or be a detriment to her bid for president? Who gives a fat rat's ass what some virtually anonymous "reporter" might think? Especially when they are so obviously acting as a stenographer for the GOP?
is still steamed that it got Whitewater wrong and that Starr was unable to produce "any evidence" of wrongdoing in ANY of his investigations until he was forced to stay on the job (when he wanted to quit) while they generated a last ditch effort with the sex card.
I love the fact that Larry Flynt, at Hustler, has said that if any GOP comes up with sexual attacks against Hillary based on Bill's past, Larry will begin releasing additional adultery/personal files he has collected on GOP pols. He has notified his lawyers to do the same in the event of his death.