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January 08, 2007 3:37 pm ET

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SUMMARY: New York Times chief military correspondent Michael Gordon asserted that "President Bush did listen to his generals over the past year and a half, and he did as -- implement the strategy that General [George W.] Casey [Jr.] advocated, and it didn't work." Fox News host Fred Barnes asserted that "the president is not doing what his commanders on the ground have urged, mainly because their policy has failed." But these assertions ignore reporting that Bush had been determining troop levels in Iraq and has "never left the decision to commanders."

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On the January 7 edition of NBC's Meet the Press, New York Times chief military correspondent Michael Gordon asserted that "the military's divided" on whether to add combat troops to Iraq, but added that viewers should "remember [that] President Bush did listen to his generals over the past year and a half, and he did as -- implement the strategy that General [George W.] Casey [Jr.] advocated, and it didn't work." Gordon's assertion that Bush "listen[ed] to his generals" to determine strategy or policy -- as Bush claimed repeatedly to have done -- ignores reporting that Bush has "never left the decision to commanders."

Bush has repeatedly claimed that generals determined the troop levels in Iraq. For example, on November 30, 2005, he said: "These decisions about troop levels will be driven by the conditions on the ground in Iraq and the good judgment of our commanders -- not by artificial timetables set by politicians in Washington." On October 25, 2006, Bush said: "I will send more troops to Iraq if General Casey says, 'I need more troops in Iraq to achieve victory.' And that's the way I've been running this war. I have great faith in General Casey."

But, as Media Matters for America has noted, in a December 21 article, The Washington Post reported that, although "Bush has traditionally paid public deference to the generals, saying any decisions on moving U.S. forces in the region would depend on their views," an unnamed Bush "senior aide" said that Bush has "never left the decision to commanders. ... He is the commander in chief."

In claiming that Bush listened to his generals, Gordon both accepted Bush's assertion that generals -- not Bush -- determined troop levels in Iraq as true and assigned authorship to Casey of a strategy that Gordon said "didn't work."

Similarly, on the January 7 edition of Fox Broadcasting Co.'s Fox News Sunday, Weekly Standard executive editor and Fox News host Fred Barnes asserted that "the president is not doing what his commanders on the ground have urged, mainly because their policy has failed," suggesting that this is a change from Bush's previous course and, as with Gordon, attributing the failed strategy to the "commanders on the ground."

From the January 7 edition of NBC's Meet the Press:

TIM RUSSERT (host): Michael Gordon, you said that the Pentagon, military people, are not monolithic. What's the sense in that building about the surge? Do they believe that it has a reasonable chance of success or failure?

GORDON: I think there's divided views on this. I think General [David] Petraeus is for it, I think General [Raymond] Odierno, who we haven't mentioned, but who's the number two commander now in Iraq, is very much for it. I think the chiefs are willing to go along with it, but they're obviously concerned about the effect on their services. And I think there are some people on the ground in -- in Baghdad, at least when I was there in October, at the battalion level and below, who see some merit on -- in it. So I think the military's divided. But remember, President Bush did listen to his generals over the past year and a half, and he did as -- implement the strategy that General Casey advocated, and it didn't work. So I think that there's a sense that, you know, a new approach might be needed. And at least when they put forward this strategy, they're going to have a commander who's actually believes in this strategy.

RUSSERT: Is there a sense that 20,000 or 30,000 more troops could, in fact, stabilize Baghdad?

From the January 7 edition of Fox Broadcasting Co.'s Fox News Sunday:

BRIT HUME (guest host): Well, you heard it reflected in those comments that we just played. You heard it reflected in the interviews today, [House Majority Leader] Steny Hoyer [D-MD] reflecting the views similar to those of [Senate Majority Leader] Harry Reid [D-NV] that this is, in his view, A, not new, this idea of sending, what, now, 20,000 troops to Iraq.

If the president unveils this, it's going to be a huge controversy. What about the merits of it from a military point of view, Fred?

BARNES: Well, in truth, as Senator Reid said, the president is not doing what his commanders on the ground have urged, mainly because their policy has failed. Baghdad is not secure. It's the -- it's the center of great chaos and turmoil and violence in Iraq.

So he's done what Abraham Lincoln did. When your commanders are not winning, you bring in new commanders. And after all, he is the commander in chief.

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    • Author by mefirst (January 08, 2007 3:52 pm ET)
         

      isn't the decider??????

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      • Author by Ken Schellenberg (January 09, 2007 8:41 am ET)
           

        Not only is he not the decider, he's now trying to spin that he isn't the Commander in Chief. Whatever happened to this era of personal responsibility he was supposed to usher in? Are we now to believe he is not responsible for iRaq?

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    • Author by worrierking (January 08, 2007 3:58 pm ET)
         

      It looks like the Bush administration's minions in the media are trying to find a scapegoat for Bush's failed prosecution of the war. Today, they're passing the blame to the generals. How long will it take to blame the ones who are actually fighting the war? It wouldn't be the first time that the blame was passed on to the enlisted personnel.

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      • Author by Sams Computer (January 09, 2007 7:00 pm ET)
           

        You are correct and thanks goes out to Jeter for pointing me to this link on that topic:

        [link to www.rawstory.com]

        An economist who once served as President Reagan's Assistant Secretary of the Treasury compares President George W. Bush to Adolf Hitler in a column at the libertarian website Anti-war.com.

        FULL COLUMN CAN BE READ AT THIS LINK - [link to www.antiwar.com]

        "Bush is like Hitler," Paul Craig Roberts writes in a column entitled The Surge: Political Cover or Escalation?. "He blames defeats on his military commanders, not on his own insane policy."

        "Like Hitler, he protects himself from reality with delusion," Roberts continues. "In his last hours, Hitler was ordering non-existent German armies to drive the Russians from Berlin."

        According to his Wikipedia entry, Roberts is "considered a Reagan conservative."

        Worrier - I'll be interested to see which News Outlets cover this story. Or if any picks up on it at all. So far the only coverage is at Air America, but of course that doesn't really count as main stream coverage.

        The Generals spoke in one voice, NO SURGE, NO ESCALATION!

        Ignoring his promise to implement their advice our Dictator installed BRAND NEW GENERALS who are willing to be dictated to. He's the Decider! He knows what's Best!

        And what's Best is to protect his sorry Legacy and his own private delusions of running around our planet forcing his will on Unwilling countries, Unwilling Generals and Unwilling Americans.

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    • Author by valentinian (January 08, 2007 3:59 pm ET)
         

      hate the troops?

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    • Author by jeter2 (January 08, 2007 3:59 pm ET)
         

      " an unnamed Bush "senior aide" said that Bush has "never left the decision to commanders. ... He is the commander in chief."

      I think I know how it really works:

      The commanders talk to Cheney, who then tells "the decider' what to decide ;-)

      This so-called "surge" or "escalation" or whatever it ends up being called is Bush's *Last Ditch Effort* to win in Iraq because he's thinking about his LEGACY. The troops be damned.

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      • Author by greekfurnace (January 08, 2007 5:17 pm ET)
           

        Whatever 'win' is supposed to mean...

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        • Author by valentinian (January 08, 2007 6:51 pm ET)
             

          "STRATEGIC OBJECTIVE: The Government of Iraq provides for the internal security of Iraq, monitors and controls its borders, successfully defends against terrorists and other security threats."

          Now, if someone can tell me how x,000 U.S. troops is supposed to get them to that point... I'm all freaking ears.

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          • Author by greekfurnace (January 08, 2007 8:13 pm ET)
               

            Although I'm not sure that George or his cabinet think that strategic objective = victory or winning or whatever. The plan is continued US-funded chaos... more troops will likely help in that regard.

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          • Author by solon (January 10, 2007 3:32 am ET)
               

            So then THEY have to be able to do something WE cant even do?

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    • Author by snoopy (January 08, 2007 4:19 pm ET)
         

      which ones are to blame? This isn't like the civil war where generals were routinely replaced by lincoln when they failed to meet objectives, because when it comes to the ground war, it's the white house calling the shots. This is why this particular execution is closer to the Adolf Hitler method of war execution.

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    • Author by Salamandastron (January 08, 2007 4:23 pm ET)
         

      Bush did listen to his generals -- after all, he chose them, presumably for their adherence to doctrine and ideology -- and the generals who disagreed were fired. There doesn't seem to be much room in this administration for independent thought.

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    • Author by wolf kotenberg (January 08, 2007 4:23 pm ET)
         

      a'la Klink..... These chickenhawks make me puke.

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    • Author by sgv (January 08, 2007 4:38 pm ET)
         

      This is just all wrong on so many levels. To compare George Bush to Linco;n is just ludicrous. Lincoln was forced to fight a traitorous part of the country, (Now the GOP base) that was bent on leaving. Bush chose this disaster.

      Also why has not Bush apologized to General Eric Shinseki? I agree with Joe Biden. This will buy 2 more years till the next President has to bail out this mess.

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      • Author by holly (January 08, 2007 5:52 pm ET)
           

        I flinched when I read the comparison to Lincoln. Shame, shame, shame. On the basis of language, Lincoln wrote his speeches. How long would it take George and a million monkeys pounding away at keyboards to equal the Gettysburg Address, which Lincoln penned on the way to the new cemetary? And Lee was miles away from the White House, but Lincoln held his ground. What did W do on 9-11? And before Lincoln became the president, he was a famous lawyer. And before that, he split rails at his boyhood log cabin. George was a cheerleader and a drunk and a failed businessman.

        And as that Texas wag said, "Poor George. He was born with a silver foot in his mouth."

        This is a shameful comparison. How dare you, Mr. Barnes? Have you no decency?

        And when people say, "He's the commander in chief," as if that should comfort me, I think, "Yes! Doesn't that terrify you???"

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        • Author by Easy to refute wingnuts (January 08, 2007 6:03 pm ET)
             

          Ann Richards was no "wag," but your point is taken, anyway.

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          • Author by holly (January 08, 2007 6:13 pm ET)
               

            I misattributed. I thought it was Molly Irvins who said that.

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            • Author by arglebargle (January 08, 2007 6:46 pm ET)
                 

              and she was quite a wag in her own right, in addition to her other accomplishments. No shame in waggery. :)

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              • Author by holly (January 08, 2007 9:27 pm ET)
                   

                Waggery is wonderful and especially when it comes from my dog at the end of a dog eat dog day.

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                • Author by Salamandastron (January 09, 2007 12:02 am ET)
                     

                  Ann Richards was not referring to Junior; she was referring to Senior.

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                  • Author by holly (January 09, 2007 12:34 am ET)
                       

                    I was as wrong as wrong can be.

                    But did I at least spell Bussh correctly?

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        • Author by jeter2 (January 08, 2007 7:08 pm ET)
             

          "George was a cheerleader and a drunk and a failed businessman."...by Holly

          =====

          Well I guess THAT proves that anyone in America can grow up to be President...

          Even IF you're an incompetent moron.

          Oh yeah, it HELPS if you come from money, and have the right [Daddy] connections.

          God bless America?

          How about God PLEASE save America....

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          • Author by holly (January 08, 2007 9:26 pm ET)
               

            I think George's greatest faults are an inveterate inability to recognize his shortcomings and admit them. Barnes and George come from the "Daddy Knows Best School." They both confuse authority and its trappings with leadership. Because George steps off helicopters and strides and wears ties, both believe that George is the decider. But the best person to decide is someone who's open to contrary perspectives and most of all, open to change. Reagan dined with Tipp O'Neill once a week. Clinton included all sorts of contrary folks in his discussions. But George buckles when someone disagrees. This is probably due to a cognitive deficit as well as a character deficit. You have to be both bright and brave to change your mind. George can't. Therefore, he and his apologists must forever cover his failings, for he unfailingly can't concede error.

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            • Author by Sams Computer (January 10, 2007 11:45 am ET)
                 

              Governorship that fatefully propelled Bush to the White House.

              In the Gubernatorial election of 1994, Texas' Republican George W Bush began his fateful reign of power by defeating Governor Ann Richards, a popular Democrat who was considered the easy favorite, given Bush's lack of political credentials.

              Considered the first woman elected governor of Texas Richards was also noted for her unprecedented appointments of women and minorities to important posts.

              The Bush campaign was criticized for allegedly using controversial methods to disparage Richards. Carl Rove was a member of his team.

              Richards's keynote address to the 1988 Democratic National Convention had put her in the national spotlight when she uttered the famous line, about the wealthy, then-Vice President George H. W. Bush,

              "Poor George, he can't help it...He was born with a silver foot in his mouth."

              The speech set the tone for her political future; she was a real Texan who established herself as a candidate who appealed to suburban voters as well as to the traditional Democratic base that included African Americans and Hispanics.

              I'm a Texan who was very sad when Bush beat her and very sad when she died.

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      • Author by redking75687 (January 08, 2007 10:32 pm ET)
           

        Secession is a right inherent in the Declaration of Independence. We seceded from Britain, remember? The same principles apply between the states themselves.

        Freedom of association also includes disassociation by consent. Forced association is tyranny.

        And in accords with liberal sentiments, a positive plebiscite in any state should be sufficient for their leaving the union. If a state decides it wants out, let it. It's their land, it's their right as free citizens to decide. It's only honourable that we respect their wishes and their desire for freedom, as we would wish ours respected..

        One can never be a traitor if he fights for the freedom of his state. That's an act of love, not betrayal. Patriotism.

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    • Author by mjh (January 08, 2007 4:40 pm ET)
         

      But wait . . . just last week wasn't he trying to "place his imprint" on the Iraq War?

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      • Author by jeter2 (January 08, 2007 4:57 pm ET)
           

        Just how is it Bush is just NOW placing " his imprint" on Iraq IF he's been the decider all along?!?

        Me thinks YOU'VE caught them in a lie. Not too surprised...

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        • Author by holly (January 08, 2007 5:59 pm ET)
             

          they've spun so many lies that I'm dizzy. If explanation A doesn't work, then they try B. And so on and on and on.

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        • Author by Sams Computer (January 09, 2007 2:51 am ET)
             

          For helping me do some research on ISM's.

          I'm a Independent-ISM who likes Ike, FDR, JFK, Carter, Ford, Clinton, Truman & Washington, Lincoln and Others, such as Ross Perot and many of our Republican and Democratic legislators.

          When I want to find out what the generally accepted usage is, or definitions and descriptions of words like Nazi, I am careful about my sources. I will not do my research from a source that has it's own agenda or commitments. And I would not recommend it to you or anyone else.

          Such as a Far Left or Far Right Book or WebSite. I would politely suggest that you use sources that provide information considered as generally accepted popular and academic thought. That's where I go to find what is true about things.

          Did you send me to that WebSite with the intention of showing me the true meaning of Liberal? Because that Site was focused on a very negative and inaccurate criticism of Liberalism and Liberals.

          It certainly doesn't apply to the Liberals I know, or to me. I’m an Independent.

          I support Social Security and other Medical and AARP supported issues for Seniors. Are you saying that it makes me a communist? That's what the WebSite was saying?

          If I wanted to explain Conservatism to you I would send you to a credible, main stream source. Britannica, Wikipedia and Others. But Heaven Forbid, I would never send you to a site like the one you pointed me to. I'm about truth, not about dishonestly cutting your cherished Conservatism down. I'm about reporting about you honestly like Conservative, Joe Scarborough does.

          What was your objective for sending me to that Liberal hating WebSite?

          Many people have been publicly compared to Adolf Hitler and Nazism. Ted Turner did it to Fox New's Rupert Murdoch and I agree with Ted. If I find a person who deserves that label, I exercise my hard fought for freedom of speech. I fought in a war zone for your freedoms too.

          So when you want to put a muzzle on what I believe to be true, that's you privilege. You just keep on calling me childish. I know it's not true, so it doesn't bother me at all.

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          • Author by jeter2 (January 09, 2007 7:34 am ET)
               

            This is *off-topic* here so please go back to the other thread titled: [Despite touting Colmes as "balance," Hannity to host own Fox News show] and read my post:

            Scroll down till you find it.

            - jeter2 / Monday January 8, 2007 08:51:43 AM EST

            Also, if you haven't already, please read my exchanges [on that same thread] with arglebargle .

            My reply post to you, as well as my posts to arglebargle should CLARIFY my reasoning on this topic, and answer MOST of your questions.

            IF Bush & the Right-Wing neocons open concentration camps & begin exterminating an entire group of people I would be more inclined to refer to them as Nazis rather than simply fascists.

            While there have also been similarities pointed out by others between Bush & Hitler, I'm more inclined to think of Hitler as EVIL, and Bush as DIMWITTED. Bush is a puppet of the neocons. A dupe.

            You & I are in agreement about Vietnam & Iraq. I have been against the invasion of Iraq from the beginning and am hoping Congress can STOP Bush from sending in more troops. Unfortunately, they may not have the power to do so. I wasn't old enough to be drafted back during the Vietnam War, but was old enough to question our reason for being there.

            I hope this post makes it past the censors...

            P.S. I left those websites for you to read so that you'd see how "irresponsible labeling" is used by BOTH sides. That writer was referring to Liberals as Communists. An obviously ridiculous charge.

            Please go read those POSTS on the other thread. NO ONE is trying to muzzle you--I can't even fathom WHY you'd think that.

            Hope THIS finally clears things up for you...

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            • Author by Sams Computer (January 09, 2007 10:55 am ET)
                 

              But I did go to that thread and it was dead, archived.

              Thanks Anyway and keep up your good comments!

              I'm in agreement with most of them.

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              • Author by Sams Computer (January 09, 2007 11:06 am ET)
                   

                When you scolded me and Media Matters censored me I was positive about being Muzzled.

                BUT NOW, maybe I was wrong about you and it must have been some kind of glitch with MMFA.

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                • Author by holly (January 09, 2007 11:37 am ET)
                     

                  we all have had posts deleted. When it gets personal between posters, those posts are often erased. So, please don't take it personally.

                  Yours,

                  Holly

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                  • Author by jeter2 (January 09, 2007 12:13 pm ET)
                       

                    Thanks for explaining that to Sam.

                    On another thread [the Hannity one] Sam suggested *Hannity's America* should be *Nazi America*. I simply suggested that the term Nazi was inflammatory & childish name-calling. I told Sam that FASCISTS was a better choice. Then I left 2 websites with columns [written by the same columnist] that suggested Liberals were Socialists and Communists. My point was to show Sam that inflammatory terms were used by BOTH sides and equally as wrong....apparently Sam misunderstood the bulk of what I wrote. I feel rather badly that he thought I'd somehow "muzzled" him when our [first 2] posts vanished.

                    Anyway after all this I read an article over at Raw Story titled:

                    Former Reagan aide compares Bush to Hitler

                    Hope you'll check it out:

                    [link to www.rawstory.com]

                    I may have to eat some crow where Sam is concerned!!

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                    • Author by Sams Computer (January 09, 2007 1:10 pm ET)
                         

                      I may have to eat some crow where Sam is concerned!!

                      - jeter2 / Tuesday January 9, 2007 12:13:14 PM EST

                      Please Don't Eat any Crow, Because I'd by happy to treat You and Holly to dinner at the Original ROADHOUSE GRILL Steak House and Saloon.

                      Thank you very much for pointing me to that WebSite!

                      "Bush is like Hitler," Paul Craig Roberts writes in a column entitled The Surge: Political Cover or Escalation?. "He blames defeats on his military commanders, not on his own insane policy."

                      [link to www.rawstory.com]

                      I've been laboring in Vain for so long and now finally someone credible steps up to the plate at hits a Grand Slam!

                      I doubt if you will see this at Fox News. BUT I hope and pray that Other News Outlets will pick up on this RAW STORY.

                      Thank You Very Much! - Sam I Am

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                      • Author by jeter2 (January 09, 2007 2:27 pm ET)
                           

                        Sorry if you & I got off on the wrong foot. The article from Raw Story certainly gives a great deal more credence to the comparisons of Bush to Hitler.

                        Bush is out of control, perhaps delusional. He has been led by the nose by the Right-Wing neocons and they refuse to accept that Iraq is a holy mess! And that THEY are solely responsible!

                        Raw Story is a great website. You might also want to check out 2 others [if you aren't already familiar with them]

                        [link to www.huffingtonpost.com]

                        [link to www.hinessight.com]

                        Catch you later :-)

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                        • Author by Sams Computer (January 10, 2007 1:49 am ET)
                             

                          No apologies are necessary. I respect your rights to what you believe in and your passionate defense of same.

                          When you don't agree with me, I put on my thick skin and my short memory. I still agree with 98% of your posts.

                          When you suggested that I was doing childish name calling I'm OK with that. I defended myself in a civil way. I even learned to tone myself down a bit thanks to you. And you offered to eat some Crow.

                          You and I don't agree on Immigrants Like the Germans in Texas who speak German and have their own City. They want to preserve their own culture instead of assimilating. As free Americans I feel that they have the freedom to do that.

                          Some of my best friends support Pat Buchanan's call for a white USA? They are still my friends. We agree to disagree and move on. I was wrong about you on that issue, and you were mad so I apologized.

                          When you said I was a dumb a#s and your Numb Nuts comment, I was not happy and you apologized. But I was OK because I like the passion you have.

                          You really had me laughing when you said you would never reply to me ever again. The very next day you posted this:

                          Ordinarily Sammy...I'd simply IGNORE a post like yours, BUT I'll bend my own rules and reply.

                          I'm glad you did, and I'm very happy that we are still Communicating.

                          Keep up those great comments!

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                  • Author by Sams Computer (January 09, 2007 12:26 pm ET)
                       

                    Thank You for that...

                    I didn't know they censor? But I do believe it's good to keep our Civility here.

                    I skip over lots of posts due to time constraints but I usually check on yours.

                    Our comments here don't effect much of anything so I often send them off to Legislators and News Outlets to let them see what folks are thinking about the issues.

                    Thanks Again - That was very nice of you!

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    • Author by Easy to refute wingnuts (January 08, 2007 6:05 pm ET)
         

      the White House line will be, "We were never 'cut and run,' and we never wanted a 'surge,'either."

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    • Author by sfcretired (January 08, 2007 8:37 pm ET)
         

      Does he really think that mentioning Abraham Lincoln and the "W" in the same breath will in any way give him any credibility as a 'Commander in Chief'. He is the one who wanted this war and 'by God' he should take the blame and all of the blame. Don't lay it on the soldiers, brass or enlisted, who are just doing the best they can with what they've got. What a sorry, sorry situation and the 'decider' has only himself to blame.

      Period...!

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      • Author by holly (January 08, 2007 9:53 pm ET)
           

        no one here is going to blame the soldiers for being put and left in a terrible situation. We're liberals. We're the ones who didn't want you guys sent off to what novelist Jack Schaeffer calls "George Bush's War."

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    • Author by mjh (January 08, 2007 9:05 pm ET)
         

      He's just following the lead of Tweety, who also compared Bush to Lincoln . . . and Atticus Finch . . .

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    • Author by nightowlcafe (January 08, 2007 11:52 pm ET)
         

      No mention of Rummy's reputation for "micro management" of Iraq invasion/occupation and his theory of a smaller, lighter & quicker military or bush refusing his resignation on several occasions, including the famous "I hear the voices but I'm the decider..." speech. This is the no accountability administration of all time with a lot of help from their friends, the media.

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    • Author by callmeoldfashionedbut (January 09, 2007 8:25 am ET)
         

      Seriously people, we need to take these guys apart piece by piece. Fox news specialises in pseudo-intellectual posers with enormous, yet pathalogically fragile egos. Perhaps the best approach is to find someone to petition Fox's competitors with a radical new idea...."get some people who know their stuff!!!" Don't get me wrong, Keith Olbermann is a gem, it's just that there aren't enough Keiths. The networks are watching the O'Reilly / Olbermann reversal of fortune as closely as we are - once they see that smart can sell in t.v news, we can get journalism back to something resembling a respectable profession. What we need are people who are confident enough in their own knowledge to take the fight up to these lying animals from Fox. For instance, if i were to go on Meet the Press with Fred Barnes I'd start by sayin "Fred, why would any thinking person take you seriously? You are clearly an irrational corporate shill who will say anything to support your pathetic, obviously discredited neo-con "philosophy." You rarely know the facts and what little you do know fails to fit your attempt at an argument. Just the other day i saw you slobbering all over Mort Kondracke as you spoke with great insight as to the cause of sectarian violence in Iraq. As you explained to your equally ignorant co-yapper, 'the Sunnis blew up another Shi'ite Synagogue in Bagdhad.' Oh yes Fred i have the tape - you are a fool who confuses Islamic temples with Jewish ones!!!!! These matters should be basic for any person who has a grasp of the world around them. Of course, you're so busy sucking from the GOP talking points teet that you could hardly be expected to have a thought of your own. I'm sorry Mr Russert, but it is an insult to me and your audience to be seated opposite this drooling idiot. Call me when you get serious.

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    • Author by darkerwiththeday (January 09, 2007 8:30 am ET)
         

      just had to say ...that was me posting under the wrong account name...if you have any comments,direct them to darkerwiththeday - cheers.

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    • Author by holly (January 09, 2007 10:56 am ET)
         

      here's a former Reagan official linking Hitler's blaming of generals and this current blaming:

      [link to www.rawstory.com]

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