Media still "Say[ing] Anything"
Following Media Matters for America Managing Director Jamison Foser's January 19 column, the media have offered numerous additional examples in which they have exhibited a willingness to engage in baseless allegations, smears, and ridicule of former or prospective Democratic presidential candidates. For instance, on the January 23 edition of CNN's The Situation Room, CNN senior political analyst Bill Schneider called former Vice President Al Gore "[s]upposedly the most boring man in the world."
- Media Matters has also noted the comments Juan Williams, National Public Radio senior correspondent and Fox News contributor, made on the January 21 edition of Fox Broadcasting Co.'s Fox News Sunday, during which he noted that Sen. Barack Obama (D-IL) "comes from a father who was a Muslim," but adding, "given that we're at war with Muslim extremists, that presents a problem."
- Media Matters documented the baseless assertion, originally published on the website InsightMag.com and echoed to a varying extent by other media outlets, that Obama "spent at least four years in a so-called Madrassa or Muslim seminary, in Indonesia" and that "researchers connected to" Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton (D-NY) were responsible for disclosing the "details of Mr. Obama's Muslim past."
As Bob Somerby noted on his Daily Howler weblog, on the January 21 edition of The Chris Matthews Show:
- Recalling host Chris Matthews' question asking whether Gore was in "fighting weight" to run for the presidency, New York Times columnist David Brooks stated that a potential Gore presidential campaign would be preceded by "a sharp increase in sales in Slim-Fast." Matthews later asked: "If we see a plummeting in the scales of Al Gore this summer -- a super Slim-Fast diet -- does that say this guy's getting back in there?" Fineman replied that it would be "front-page news." As Media Matters noted, on the December 21 edition of MSBNC's Hardball, Matthews said of Gore: "He's the Hindenburg."
- Earlier in the show, echoing the criticism by CNN and The Wall Street Journal suggesting Democratic candidates were "unelectable," Fineman asserted that Clinton, Obama, and former Sen. John Edwards (D-NC) "are trying to prove as much what they're not as what they are." Fineman concluded that because Clinton is a woman and from New York, she has to prove "she can be tough on defense," "she's willing to drop the bombs," and "she's not abandoning the troops" -- presumably, things she is not.
- Fineman also poked fun at Edwards' Southern accent and suggested there were no Southern white male liberals, stating, "And John Edwards is saying: 'Just because I'm a Southerner, because I'm a white male, because I say 'meal' when I'm saying those 'textile mill,' doesn't mean that I can't be the liberal in this race.' "
- Fineman later described Clinton as a high school " 'Miss Perfect' ... having the whole thing wired." Matthews and Fineman agreed that Clinton would wear a "poodle skirt" in Fineman's high school allegory of the presidential race and there appeared on the screen a Photoshopped picture of Clinton in a poodle skirt. (In Fineman's column on the same subject, Gore was described as "that crazy Al Gore, who had been the ultimate goody-goody but who had grown a beard, made a film and dropped out to attend the School Without Walls.")

Somerby also noted the following exchange from the show:
CYNTHIA TUCKER (Atlanta Journal-Constitution editorial page editor): Where Hillary doesn't want to be is in a position that makes her seem purely calculating. It's true I think that she has -- she --
FINEMAN: It'll be too late. It'll be too late for that.
MATTHEWS: Haven't you just defined her?
In addition, in a January 23 article, Washington Post staff writer Anne E. Kornblut contrasted Clinton's "conviction" that she can be president with her "hedg[ing]" in her January 22 webcast -- produced in a "carefully controlled setting" -- about her favorite movie, "saying that, as a child, she had loved 'The Wizard of Oz,' discovered 'Casablanca' in college and law school, watching it so often that she memorized the lines," and then developed a "passion for ... 'Out of Africa.' " Kornblut also characterized Clinton's refusal, in an ABC News interview, to assert whether or not she would raise taxes as "equivocat[ing]," writing: "In an ABC News interview, she would not pledge not to raise taxes. But she also equivocated on whether the costs of the war in Iraq would require a tax increase."
From the January 21 edition of NBC's The Chris Matthews Show:
TUCKER: Where Hillary doesn't want to be is in a position that makes her seem purely calculating. It's true I think that she has -- she --
FINEMAN: It'll be too late. It'll be too late for that.
MATTHEWS: Haven't you just defined her?
TUCKER: She has -- but, she has spent a lot of time thinking about the war --
MATTHEWS: Yeah.
TUCKER: -- and a lot of what she says about it is very thoughtful and very respectable. On the other hand, I think she's cutting it too -- cutting the cloth too finely at the moment. This whole business of "Oh, we're just going to cut it off for the Iraqis" is very, very calculating. And the other thing she needs to bear in mind is that much of the country in the general election will also be against this war, so I don't think she wants to seem so far to the right that she doesn't seem to be a respectable opponent of the way the Bush administration has waged this war.
MATTHEWS: So tough. We've defined her problem right here.
FINEMAN: Yeah. The way I see it is that the top three are trying to prove as much what they're not as what they are. Hillary Clinton's trying to prove that even though she wrote the book, It Takes a Village, and even though she's a woman and even though she's from New York, she can be tough on defense, she's willing to drop the bombs, she's not abandoning the troops. OK.
Barack Obama's saying: "I'm an African-American man from Chicago, but I'm not a Jesse Jackson liberal. I'm not predictable in that way. I won't be defined in that way." And John Edwards is saying: "Just because I'm a Southerner, because I'm a white male, because I say 'meal' when I'm saying those 'textile mill,' doesn't mean that I can't be the liberal in this race."
[...]
MATTHEWS: And Howard, in your online column this week, you talked about Hillary in this high school social competition. Who's Hillary in this mix?
FINEMAN: Well, Hillary's "Miss Perfect." She's the one we all saw in high school, carrying all those multicolored binders down the hallways, filling out three-by-five cards about every student, having the whole thing wired --
MATTHEWS: And the poodle skirt.
FINEMAN: The poodle skirt.
[...]
TUCKER: The other thing is, you've got to figure, since I was being politically incorrect in the last segment -- I'll continue that -- that back in closed-door backrooms of Democratic politics, they've got to be a little nervous that the two leading candidates bound to suck up the most money are a woman, who carries a fair amount of baggage, and an inexperienced black man.
MATTHEWS: Long shots.
TUCKER: They'll be thinking, "You know, the Democrats, if they're not suicidal, we need a senior statesman with a decent shot at winning."
MATTHEWS: OK. We call that in the business a "default candidate." Somebody you go to after you've tried out all the new flavors, and right now, the guy who's auditioning for that role is John Edwards.
TUCKER: Right.
MATTHEWS: Are you all suggesting Edwards doesn't make that, if he isn't in the competition -- the three-way competition by this summer, Gore says, "That job" -- can I say it this way? -- "the white guy's job is available." Howard.
FINEMAN: Well, that's one way of putting it.
[...]
MATTHEWS: Well, we put it to the Matthews Meter: Can Al Gore win the Democratic nomination? The Meter is split with six voting yes, six voting no. David, you say: Can't do it.
BROOKS: Well, first of all, I think a black woman -- a black man and a white woman can do it, and I think there's a lot of evidence to support that, so I don't think the party needs him.
MATTHEWS: Win the general?
BROOKS: Yeah, can win the general, so I don't think the party needs to do that. Second, I've heard no evidence that Al Gore wants to run for office, and unless there's a sharp increase in sales in Slim-Fast --
MATTHEWS: That's what I say. That's what I say. Can a black man win the presidency? Can a woman win the presidency? Can a fat, white guy win the presidency? is the other question.
BROOKS: I'm not to talk, of course.
MATTHEWS: You're not overweight, not compared to him.
BROOKS: But -- and finally, you know, they've got stars running for office. They've got three real stars.
MATTHEWS: OK. If we see a plummeting in the scales of Al Gore this summer -- a super Slim-Fast diet -- does that say this guy's getting back in there?
FINEMAN: It'll -- it'll be front-page news. Al Gore buys a package of Slim-Fast. But, you know, I don't know --
MATTHEWS: Norah, what do you think? Are we going to watch the scales here to see how it's going?
From the January 23 edition of CNN's The Situation Room:
MARY SNOW (CNN correspondent): From policy wonk to Hollywood's A-list?
GORE [video clip]: The Arctic is experiencing faster melting. If this were to go, sea level worldwide would go up 20 feet.
SNOW: Al Gore's movie, An Inconvenient Truth, was nominated for two Oscars: for Best Documentary Feature and Best Song.
SCHNEIDER: Al Gore is a movie star. Who would have thunk it? Supposedly the most boring man in the world, and he's up for two Oscars.















next on fox
"last week hillary came out for mom and apple pie. but fox has located pictures of the former first lady eating a slice of blueberry at a white house luncheon. can this woman be trusted with her finger on the trigger? we spin, you follow."
fox update
"breaking news, brit. in a fox exclusive, our special correspondent buffy bright reports that the blueberries were canadian. american berries not good enough for the liberal new york elitist?"
LMAO.....
Just more insightful political analysis from Tweety and his right-wing suck-up friends....
Absolutley unf****ng believable. This is what passes for our National Discourse. God Help Us All!!
JIM:
Keep in mind, if they weren't advancing their sophomoric "impressions" of people they don't like (Dems), they might have to spend their time actually analyzing problems that face Americans.
At the moment, we only have the War in Iraq (failing), the lead-up to war (chock-full of deceptions and lies told to the American People), the war in Afghanistan (nearly abandoned and failing), the War on Terror (abandoned because Iraq is taking all our resources), defense of our own bordes (almost NO action being taken by the present administration), dealing with aliens from other nations, dealing with Health Care, Social Security, the Energy "crisis", intelligence agencies overstepping Constitutional limitations, and a few other little issues. Hardly enough to provide fodder for these nationally televised "news" wits who fare better photoshopping poodle skirts to show their lack of respect for their political foes.
You can't REALLY expect these paid shills to actually REPORT anything, take on REAL topics of interest, or even try to imitate journalists, do you? They are first and foremost propaganda puppets for "the establishment" of corporations and their pet party, the Republicans. They do the business of partisan political smearmongering, and can't be bothered with real issues.
Then again, none are really QUALIFIED to tackle difficult problems, so the poodle-skirt beat is the best they can hope to handle.
Anderson Cooper looked into the assertion that Obama attended a "Madrassa". Turns out that it was an Indonesian public school which had a mostly Muslim student body. It also had several Christians, Jews, and Buddhists. Religion was not a focus of the school.
<> It's encouraging to see someone in the MSM debunking these lies. There may be hope yet.Nerzog, I think "mostly Muslim" is like "half a minority" or "Octoroon". Not Close Enough!
We're instituting a "one drop" rule. My god man, don't you remember 9/11??????????
Fox News can't believe the poll rating numbers on Busch, the War or any of their heroes. They can't believe Gore could get oscar nominations for his documentary "An Inconvenient Truth". The network lets Mathews, Fineman, Brooks and these other boring mules with blinders pontificate on the airways always in disbelief of mainstream America...who loved "An Inconvenient Truth"...doesn't care about Gore's weight...doesn't remotely share their opinions about Clinton whose is no more calculating than any other member of congress or for that matter Fox news editors...or Obama and this Muslim smear...or stupid opinions and name calling of Democratic candidates. You insult America's National Image of what news and discussions are important or noteworthy and embarrass those of us who have to witness your pettiness in search of real news and worthy public discussion. Really, how trite,...Gore's weight? When did you stop being journalists?
FOX has never been journalism. It was set up by right wing "think tanks" and Rupert Murdoch to sell the face of evil to the masses. Brit Hume is directly from the Heritage Foundation, a Repub think tank that's devoted to the destruction of the Bill of Rights, the expansion of the US Empire, and turning America into a one-party theocratic dictatorship. It's the largest collection of fascist propagandists in the nation.
And I really have to wonder why FOX has to get into the Canadian market. Is that centuries-old American desire to annex the Great White North to the Empire still alive?
Here you are. The last discussion was archived and I couldn't respond. But back to what we were talking about.
Again, What is the personal attacks. "therefore you support terrorism"
I remember talking to one of these guys one time ( a terrorist) (again a real one who actually kills innocent people not just someone that disagrees with you). He had a hatred in him of a magnitude that I had never seen before. He hated the US, he hated the west, Isreal, etc. Everything was our fault. Nothing was his. There was no talking to him or reasoning. His facts were all screwed up. To tell you the truth redking he sounded alot like you. Think on that. You're just an angry person. You're not interested in debate. You just want to spout hateful remarks about your country and throw insults at those who disagree with you. You don't counter fact with fact. You counter fact with insult. Kind of like this terrorist that we captured. You're a fanatic, not a reasonable person.
Let me give you an example of what they do. One day my interpreter received a message and left the compound quickly. When I asked the other interpreters what happened they answered that his brother had been shot. A few days later when he came back to work he told me that his brother had taken ten rounds with an AK-47 in a driveby. How this guy survived especially with their hospital system. Point being, that they targeted his family to get him to stop working with us. That's what I mean. I have more examples but I'm not going to illustrate them because it still bothers me to think about them and this is not an appropriate forum. You're not an expert on terrorism. You just call people who disagree with you that. You'll probably respond to this post with an insult also. Again, Bill O'Reilly said that liberals result to name calling and insults because they can't win the argument. In light of your responses how am I not to believe that?
We need more guys like Conchobhar on this site. He's reasonable and intelligent. Have you read the discussion that I had with him on the last thread?
The Pot Calls the Kettle Black
When watching CNN, I have never look forward to Bill Schneirder's commentary. He is boring, self important, and grossly overrated. Add to that, he delivers CNN/Gallup inflated. by at least 10 points, Poll numbers. That is boring.
It really coming down to one obvious observation. These news personalities have a grandiose image of who they are, what others should be like, and the so-called special commentators qualified to say so. Hows that for news in a box?
CNN has lost a lot of credibility since they tried to emulate Fox news. Would you believe CNN would throw a very proud reputation away for the Russ Limbaugh school of news delivery. Now they seem to be throwing the shock jock image away, but they will have to recreate a once first rate reputation that does not come easy. I can't wait to see how this comes out.
Joseph
The Pot Calls the Kettle Black (Clerical Corrections Made)
When watching CNN, I have never looked forward to Bill Schneirder's commentary. He is boring, self important, and grossly overrated. Add to that, he delivers CNN/Gallup's inflated, by at least 10 points, Poll numbers. That is boring.
It really coming down to one obvious observation. These news personalities have a grandiose image of who they are, what others should be like, and the so-called special commentators qualified to say so. Hows that for news in a box?
CNN has lost a lot of credibility since they tried to emulate Fox news. Would you believe CNN would throw a very proud reputation away for the Russ Limbaugh school of news delivery. Now they seem to be throwing the shock jock image away, but they will have to recreate a once first rate reputation that does not come easy. I can't wait to see how this comes out.
Joseph
Off topic, but the new commenting system is lookin' mighty spiffy. Thanks, Media Matters!
Anyway, to business:
For instance, on the January 23 edition">[link to transcripts.cnn.com] of CNN's The Situation Room, CNN senior political analyst Bill Schneider called former Vice President Al Gore "[s]upposedly the most boring man in the world."
And when did you last star in an award-winning documentary?
As to "trying to prove as much what they're not as what they are", the Dems have a distinct advantage: All four of the named contenders can demonstrate handily that they ARE NOT BUNGLE! That alone would likely win the eventual nominee a base of close to 50% of the electorate.
With the added points for "I'm not a Repugnant", Diebold will have some serious work ahead just to keep the contest close enough to warrant extensive coverage of the election returns.
PREVIEW ROCKS!
How could anyone with a pumpkin head like Chris Matthews say anything about someone else's appearance? What does weight have to do with anything important anyway?
It's the only type of weighty comment Tweety will ever make.
Isn’t this a little nitpicky?
Sorry, but I don’t have a problem with most of the so-called smears this article points out. There’s a difference between a smear and silly jokes. Dictionary.com gives us a definition of smear that I think we all agree on: “charge falsely or with malicious intent; attack the good name and reputation of someone.” The only thing that rises to that level is the nonsense about the “Clinton machine” smearing Obama. Again, the rest of the comments were just silly and all politicians are subject to that kind of talk. When Fineman poke fun at Edwards for saying “meal” instead of “mill” it was in keeping with the jokes about Bush’s use of the word “nucular” instead of “nuclear.” The only other real problem I see is that Fineman suggested that Edwards could be a Democratic nominee for president in spite of being a southerner, even though the last two Democratic presidents were from the South. That statement has no injurious impact on Edwards, it just make Fineman look ignorant. The only thing this article points out that could harm Democrats (if people were to believed it) is the smears against Sen. Clinton.Respectfully disagree, BillyJr
When Fineman poke[d] fun at Edwards for saying “meal” instead of “mill” it was in keeping with the jokes about Bush’s use of the word “nucular” instead of “nuclear.”
The key difference is that (1) one mispronunciation is due to having an accent, which is a largely unavoidable consequence of the area where a person is raised, and (2) being ignorant. When Bush was creaming the language way back when he was first running for president, his handlers had two options: either use some language trainers to help him overcome his tendency to sound like an idiot, or else try to present it as evidence of his down-home folksy charm.
Needless to say, I find no charm in willful ignorance. Even if Bush had spent his first fifty years murdering the word "nuclear," there's no reason he couldn't have at least tried to remedy the defect by now. Not having done so argues laziness as well as ignorance.
Furthermore, correct me if I'm wrong, but I can't remember any journalists, real or otherwise, commenting about Bush's "nucular." Late-night comedians, yes, but not journalists.
What does the average "news" viewer know about
World and national issues
What accomplishments or bills has a particular politician supported.
These shows should be spending more time on the issues above and less time on capital hill gossip, speculating on "what if" situations and giving air time to stories without an ounce of fact or investigation.
Honestly what is the difference between some of these shows and The Star / Enquirer in the check out line at the grocery store?
Right ON MHK,
They remind me of listening to pundits on sports radio, only these people are less informative.
More madness, and it is insulting to viewer intelligence.
I saw the Hillary poodle skirt debacle, the pundits on hand were very amused with themselves- what does that say about any of their journalistic integrity.
I know integrity- such a quaint concept.
Though I know this plays to the lowest common denominator- I have not seen or heard any mainstream talking head describing the Republican presidential candidates who carry more than their fair share of baggage in the way they have gone after Hillary, Obama, and Al.
Rudy? How about a leering philanderer with drool coming down his chin at a young blond woman walking by. McCain how about a man without a mission, lost in his own self-interest shown with him retreating form his own "straight talk" express to get right in bed with the radical conservatives who smeared him, Mitt Romney- about a caricature of Richy Rich with $ signs all over his suit, while he sings heartily with the Mormon Tabernacle.
I'm just saying... where is their imagination when it comes to these candidates? There's certainly plenty of material once you start down this road.
There's something very interesting about the MSM's efforts to smear Obama as being Muslim.
When it came to invading Iraq, the right fully expected millions of Muslims to submissively accept the right of white, Christan Americans to determine a new system of government for them, down to writing drafts of their new constitution. And remember, the original neocon plan was to annoint Chalabi as the "George Washington of Iraq."
But the same people who expected that think it's a great idea to discredit Barak Obama by telling voters that he's secretly a Muslim. Or, if he's not secretly Muslim he's been somehow tainted by going to school with Muslims or having Muslim relatives.
Apparently it's absolutely understandable that wonderful, enlightened Christian Americans would abhor a president who possibly, secretly, maybe prays to Allah instead of of Jesus. But while the right loudly proclaimed that Iraqis were backward and unenlightened, it never occured to them that those backward, unenlightened people would feel that same revulsion for the Christian soldiers patrolling their streets and the young evangelical Republicans directing their reconstruction efforts.
It's exceptionalism for bigots. It's... I have a God-given right to hate anyone who isn't like me, but if they don't return my scorn with admiration, it proves that they're scum.
Overheard at lunch today, in Orange County, Ca., by yours truly;
"I don't think middle America's ready for a Muslim president"
That's all I heard.
Then what am I going to do with all these "Moktada '08" bumper stickers?
Why, MHK?
Because they think that the American people have the attention span of a puppy. They're afraid if they discuss political issues, we'll turn the channel because we, in the opinion of their over-paid consultants think "politics is boring". So they present "news" as if it were published in as you say, Star or The National Enquirer. Thus the people are kept ignorant and uninformed, which serves the corporate priests who worship the great god Profit, the Christianistas get to keep Republicans in power, the Republicans, who manipulate laws to serve the corporate interests, which owns most of the media in a sickening circle of narcissistic codependence. It doesn't do any good for you, me, and about 100 million working poor (formerly known as the middle class), but what do they care as long they get to babble on TV and get paid for it?