O'Reilly wouldn't call Penn "anti-American" minutes after Factor referred to Penn as "anti-American"
On the January 29 edition of Fox News' The O'Reilly Factor, blogger and Fox News contributor Michelle Malkin claimed that "Jane Fonda's anti-American position has never changed over the last several decades." Host Bill O'Reilly responded: "[Y]ou say it's anti-American. You know that the Fondas and [Sean] Penns are going to say, 'Listen, I'm as American as you are, Michelle Malkin. I just see things differently.' And I'm willing to give them the benefit of that doubt. I don't want to say that they're anti-American." However, just minutes earlier during the "Talking Points Memo" segment, onscreen text had referred to Penn as "anti-American actor Sean Penn." While that text was on the screen, O'Reilly referred to Penn as "far-left actor Sean Penn."
To close the segment, O'Reilly asked Malkin if she had "any personal message for Sean Penn," to which she replied, "I'm glad that he's gone now from D.C.," before adding: "Jeff Spicoli for president." Penn played stoner Jeff Spicoli in the 1982 movie Fast Times at Ridgemont High.
From the January 29 edition of Fox News' The O'Reilly Factor:
O'REILLY: But to far-left actor Sean Penn, who consistently sides with America's enemies, that really isn't much of a problem at all.
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MALKIN: Jane Fonda's anti-American position has never changed over the last several decades. And I think that it's clear that the concern for the troops that the anti-war left has shown is cynical. The compassion that they pose for the Iraqi civilians is totally disingenuous. And their opposition to the war is not rooted in principle, but in clear Bush hatred and in a desire to see this country fail.
We talked about those poll results last week showing that a hard, significant portion of this country wants us to fail there. And that's what we saw voiced over and over again this weekend.
And I think that there's another ugly aspect to the anti-war movement. It was not just sort of the peace-loving '60s throwbacks that we saw in front of the camera. But we saw the ugly side of the anti-war movement this weekend, too.
And you won't see that on a lot of the mainstream media coverage. People spitting at an Iraq war veteran, vandalism on the Capitol steps, rocks thrown at military recruitment centers. This is what it's about. It was a big temper tantrum. And that's all the left has to offer.
O'REILLY: All right, but you say it's anti-American. You know that the Fondas and Penns are going to say, "Listen, I'm as American as you are, Michelle Malkin. I just see things differently." And I'm willing to give them the benefit of that doubt. I don't want to say that they're anti-American.
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O'REILLY: All right, I gotta load up Michelle for one final -- Michelle, any personal message for Sean Penn?
MALKIN: I'm glad that he's gone now from D.C.
O'REILLY: Yeah. I just -- I was wondering about the hair that was going on up there with him.
MALKIN: Jeff Spicoli for president.
Seems that Papa Bear's got his own The Word segment now.
OK, for those of you who think all I do is bash this website and it's content - this is a valid catch by MMFA on O'Reilly's doublespeak.
Thanks, T. I bet they're popping champagne in the "misinformation" room as we speak (or write).
..................damned if I do, damned if I don't.................
I think it's more of an issue of how you "do" incessantly, yet somehow you are to be commended for one instance of "don't".
Like how I'm not gonna pat Fox News on the back for the few times they've actually reported something accurately. They've still got a lot of 'splainin to do.
I'll commend you Tommy. You know misinformation when it hits you right between the eyes! Good job. (Now join us as we pile on to trash the fool O'Reilly. It really is a great outlet for his moronic viewpoints, stupid statements, and outright lies.)
Here's on I remember well--Oreilly; "We don't do personal attacks here, and if you think so you're a pinhead!"
Tommy, a valid catch, but in truth in appears Bull OhReally? can blame it on a producer (or someone else in the food chain) because from what I see, Bull himself did not utter the words "un-American" when referring to Penn.
I'd be surprised if he doesn't approve those graphics before the show. After all, they are supposed to correspond to what he's saying, right? Also he might have a screen that shows those graphics while he's speaking. And is this live? If not, then the graphic could be easily altered post-production, if anyone notices the disparity.
You might be right, but it seems like awfully sloppy work for prime time, on the part of O'Reilly and his production staff as well.
OhReally? knew what was going on as far as the graphic, I'm sure. Just pointing out the plausible deniability on his part (as weak as that defense is). He is correct in saying, "I didn't say Unamerican." But we all know that is what he meant.
That's what's truly amazing the Cons...
They always blame it on someone else. They simply can't stand up and take responsibility. It shows a great lack of character, and I think one of the main reasons the American people tossed them out in November.
Bull himself did not utter the words "un-American" when referring to Penn
No, but he did say he "consistently sides with America's enemies." A distinction without a difference, I'd say.
Thank you Tommy...
I appreciate your comment.
That's very O'Reilley of you.
Sean Penn has, to be trite for a second, more talent in one of his facial hairs than Michelle Malkin will ever acquire in her sorry shrill filled life.
To paraphrase a movie character (and risk being vulgar) for just a moment:
I crap bigger'n Michelle Malkin.
Now that was funny. Malkin is so annoying. She seems to be from the school that believes if she is simply ardent and cute enough, people will believe what she says -- no matter how otherwise insipid her comments really are.
I could only watch for a few minutes when she took over for O'Reilly a few weeks back. She is way out of her league when talking to just about anyone other than Bill. I think that is why he puts her on so much. She is the heir apparent to Bill's crap kingdom.
When you're Bill O'Reilly and a constant stream of bullsh*t comes out of your mouth, I'll bet it is hard to keep track of everything you say. But that's what MMFA is for!
(Keep up the good work, MMFA.)
LEATHER HELMET
Your victim is a famous war protester who turned out to be correct in fighting for peace in Vietnam. Just like Iraq, thousands died in vain in Vietnam too. This passionate war protester was trying to get the then Rupublicant President Nixon to give peace a chance. Nixon was raining cluster bombs on North Vietnam when he should have been negotiating in Paris Peace Talks.
In July of 1972 the then ambassador George H. W. Bush called Fonda a liar. Bush cancelled a press conference after Fonda released filmed evidence of her claim, with Bush saying, "I think that the best thing I can do on the subject is to shut up." In 2004, her former husband Tom Hayden renewed claims that "Fonda was right and Bush was lying".
Fonda said that war veterans she had met while on her book tour had urged her to speak out against the Iraq War. On January 27, 2007, Fonda participated in an anti-war rally held on the National Mall in Washington, D.C., declaring that "silence is no longer an option."
Jane Fonda made some mistakes in her efforts to effect peace and has admitted and apologized for those mistakes. Her heart was in the right place to work for peace. As a Vietnam Veteran myself I say thank you Jane Fonda.
I agree Sam. Her heart was in the right place. She has noting to apologise to me for. I always wanted an apology from Nixon and the others who sent us over there.
O'Reilly you chickensh*t.
If you can't call Jane Fonda anti-American, who qualifies?
Who qualifies? Well, how about actual anti-Americans like bin Laden, Castro, Kim Jong-il, Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, etc?
Let's not forget George W. Bush, Dick Cheney, Fox "News", Rush Limbaugh, and most of the Republic Party who believe that we should just "Shut up!"
Can you name one American?
"Can you name one American?"
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TheRick just named hundreds of them.
Name an American? Certainly! President Vicente Fox, proud American.
You were referring to people from the American continents, yes?
How about that good-old corn-fed christian boy, Tim McVeigh.
Jane Fonda? That was more than 30 years ago. Probably before Malkin was even asexually budded. Hasn't Fonda apologized ad nauseum over it?
You guys really hold a grudge. Just let it go. Move on with your life.
"...asexually budded"
I like that.
Rush Limbaugh, Sean Hannity, Bill O'Reilly, Michael Savage, Don Imus, Melanie Morgan, Rupert Murdoch, Dick Morris,...ya see, un-American is truly in the eyes of the accuser-it doesn't make it true. Has ONE of those people gone to Iraq, or any other country, seeking understanding of that culture, starvation, genocide, poverty? No, thank you.
Hate to break it to you, but BillO went there for a book signing.
When he went to Iraq for his Book signing he didn't go "...to Iraq, or any other country, seeking understanding of that culture, starvation, genocide, poverty?" He went for publicity. Kind of like how he will give a soldier a copy of his lame book for each one he sells now.
Why does Billo hate our troops?
Why is expressing ones opinion considered un-American?
Jane Fonda and Sean Penn have as much right to be against this war or The Vietnam War as you have to be in support of this war.
LH inquires: If you can't call Jane Fonda anti-American, who qualifies?
How about...... An Administration infested with a cabal of NeoConmen WHO initiated the following, Distorted and fabricated the rationale for initiating a War against Iraq in contradiction of the UN Charter, The Nuremberg War Principles, Violations of the Geneva Conventions, Numerous Hague Conventions, lied or at the very least misled Congress, outed an undercover WMD expert in addition to compromising the 'Cut-Out front Company, "Brewster-Jennings" which was tracking the real WMD emanating out of the Ukraine along the Turkey conduit, thus inducing a number of operatives to be terminated ,caused the US Military to be ill-equipped in Body armor, Vehicle armor, communication gear up to and including an inadequate supply of munitions according to today's release of the Pentagon's Inspector General's Report to be presented to Congress.
AND........ Consummately destroyed the Infrastructure of a modern and SECULAR Arab state,responsible for in excess of 600.000 Civilian casualties many of which are the elderly and children, caused a flight of professionals , thus further aggravating the situation where WE now are enagaged in a Civil War among competing factions with centuries-old internecine tribal rivalries, causing a rash of Terror-sponsored death squads, competing in a frenzy of blood-lusting, all the while OUR TROOPS are supposed to act as referees to this vicious carnage.
Created a 'War -Profiteer's Carnival -like atmosphere where obscene profits have been made witrh NO Oversight of US Taxpayer's Monies (Your and Mine) including the pilferage of some 8 Billion US Greenbacks brought in on pallets after unloading from C-130's into the waiting arms of a world-wide consortium of renegade mercenaries, SOLDIERS of FORTUNE Who are often engaged in Black-OPS against our Own troops to further the grand designs of War-Profiteers, no doubt having a great time sun -tanning in the Caymans.
And Finally, Have caused the US Military to be overstretched to the point of breaking the Army and US Marine Corps, back-door drafted Young men and women for up to 4 deployments, many of which are suffering from advanced Post Traumatic Stress Syndrome, thus further creating situations where their units are put at risk in an armed theatre.
SO LH, Have I covered adequatelty what the label Anti- American constitutes???
NOT, WE might add WAR CRIMINALS to the these Ant-Americans!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Navy Guy,
right on. I would say that the ultimate act of anti-americanism would be to throw away the lives of the men and women who step up to make the ultimate sacrifice for their country. Anti-americanism is lying to the people of the U.S and sending their kids off to be slaughtered in a country that had NOTHING to do with the attack on the U.S. Anti-amercanism would be leaving the country without an adequate military defense for the homeland. Anti-americanism would be using the nations most vital resources (its young people) as cannon fodder in what was always going to be a repeat of Vietnam. Anti-americanism would be taking the word of a drooling idiot as he mutters lines like "bring 'em on", "smoke em out" and "dead or alive". Anti-americanism would be talking tough about the world's number one terrorist and then doin sweet FA for 5 years about bringing him to justice.
People who call Bush a murderer are often called anti-american. Why, because they care about the lives of those kids who are dying every day over there - those kids have the ultimate courage - they deserve the protection of those who have the courage to stand up and call a liar a liar - Bush is a criminal and a disgrace to the office that he stole - he's too dim to understand this. The great challenge is for all of us to remember the thousands killed on 9/11 as well as the thousands killed needlessly in Iraq and make one simple commitment - NEVER AGAIN!
Leather, you dumbass...
if you can't get your head out of your ass, how much will it cost to rent a backhoe?
Color,
Yeah, LH could ask the Prez with all his dexterity.
Take a look:
http://www.talk.newsweek.com/politics/default.asp?item=464251
Thats easy. YOU, Bush, Limbaugh, Coulter. I would say Savage but the man is simply insane and I cannot assign to him any culpability.
Solon,
So how goes the battle? It seems 'Scooter ' is not going to let hinself be sacrificed to the " Dogs of War' as in Cheney. In any event, Bulldog Fitzgerald is going for the throat. I might be wrong but I think that things are going to unravel rather quickly in the next few months. They must, otherwise these freaks are going to unleash WW3.
Just as I predicted, the moderate Repubs are starting to awaken knowing full well that their Party is at stake.The NeoConmen are already ginning up the marching orders to Iran with the same plethoa of lies they utilized against Iraq some four years ago.
For some real Intel, go to : waynemadsenreport.com. These guys are modern-day Al Capone's with the exception that their playing field are continents, not the Windy City.
Life is good thank you for asking. Yes the Libby trial is getting REALLLLY interesting. He is toast and may just pull a couple of others down with him. Or he could go G and sing like a canary. I think he is angry they let him sink and KKKarl is skating. I also think you were correct the moderate and reasonable Republicans are distancing themselves from this administration in droves. Things are looking up I hope you are well. Its always good to see your nick
I was wondering about the hair that was going on up there with him. No personal attacks, right, Billo?
Hey Billo, we were wondering about the hair that's NOT going on up there!
haha good catch, didnt notice this one and i watched the entire show
*MMFA/left wingers dont understand the purpose of the malkin segment
he has her on so she can be super-right-wing then he will position himself to the left of her and chide her a little bit in order to make himself look like less of a wingnut. it isnt a bad tactic for the masses but i see through it. this hypocrisy of his that mmfa pointed it out exposes it though because it shows he was only saying that in response to michelle in order to disagree with her. get it?
Col. Roy, everybody understands it. That is one of the primary purposes of this site, exposing how the media slides the scale to the right, positioning the real nitro-burning nut jobs as "right wing" so the slightly less insane can be paraded out as "fair and balanced" or "moderate".
That's exactly what is being pointed out so often here, and what is so Un-American about a lot of our media.
Get it?
Very well said Huntington...
When you control the microphone--as the Cons do--then you can move the spectrum to the right, always to the right, farther to the right.
There are many ways to do it: Lies, smears, misinformation; and, sometimes, cleverly trying to pass yourself off as "moderate," and "fair and balanced."
HUNTINGTON...
really.....you shouldn't waste your time explaining things to this kid.(Col.RoyCampbell). This T.V baby is so far behind that if you look back to explain things to him, he'll simply drag you down. Let's get some more budget dollars into public education so that we can raise the standards for the kids of the future eh?
I'm a giver, Darker. I won't spend too much time, just enough to help those that are ready for help.If they post without reading and understanding, I let them be.
BTW, Darker, do you think the Colonel is a kid? I was picturing "nursing home" more likely.
youre a MORON. no1 understands that or what i said, only people on this board. if everyone understood it and that oreilly was biased to the right he would have much lower ratings.
Pardon me, Col. Roy, permission to speak?
Two questions;
1. Who are you talking to?
2. What are you trying to say?
Question # 3
Any WHY are you trying to say it?
SIR?
Food for thought...
What about evangelical Christians whose fundamentalist beliefs in God and the inerrancy of the bible are so strong that they speak out in strong protest against American laws and customs that they find inconsistent with their religion? Gay marriage (where it is legal), for example? Abortion? Stem cell research? Medical termination of life support under certain conditions? Teaching of evolution? Separation of church and state generally? Deep down, do they have in their hearts more loyalty to their God than their country? Are they considered Anti-American, too? Why is it that protesting a war that many, if not most, Americans consider wrong, based on deep convictions and beliefs, is considered Anti-American? It doesn't make sense... except if you add politics to the equation. People should learn and respect the Constitution rather than political parties.
Irony,
well said.
Michelle Malkin is hot. I may not agree with everything you say, but you are still hot. I know Asian women are not usually into black men. But if you ever come to the darkside, baby I am here. ; )
It has nothing constructive to add to the conversation, but I gotta agree with you. Malkin a easy on the eyes, but makes my ears bleed. I would suggest Lara Logan slap Malkin around a bit, but that would degrade Logan, and she already does it so well verbally.
indeed, this remark is totally offtopic, but i would like to add my opinion to it. She looks nice, but when she was talking, and we had here in the camera, i felt repulsed by this woman. I tried it with the sound off, and when you saw here talking, I felt as if Malkin was trying to let her hatred spew through her mouth. Hatred can make anyone look ugly.
I would appreciate it though, if this discussion doesn't go too far, because it's against my principles to judge someone on looks, i just meant this as a side remark. For me, it's important to listen to arguments, not to judge the way people look or talk.
And as to the content of what she says, well, that warrents another mmfa post imo. So much misinformation bundled together...
Irony,
Speaking as a Christian, I agree with everything you said.
Small correction: That's "Talking Points," not "Talking Points Memo." That's another animal altogether.