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Moran disavowed "hatred" spewed by Coulter and Limbaugh -- what about the rest of ABC?

February 08, 2007 5:14 pm ET

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In a February 7 ABCNews.com weblog post, Nightline co-host Terry Moran followed up on his earlier post on the controversy surrounding two bloggers hired by John Edwards' presidential campaign by asserting that one of Edwards' bloggers had expressed "pure hatred" on her blog, and added, "There are plenty of examples of this tactic across the airwaves." After citing Ann Coulter and Rush Limbaugh as examples of those who spew "hate speech," Moran wrote that "we expect our leaders to disavow hate." But the network Moran works for has given Limbaugh and Coulter platforms on its own news programs. Also, ABC's Good Morning America hired conservative talk show host Glenn Beck as a "regular commentator" despite his inflammatory comments regarding Muslims, Arabs, Mexicans, and other minorities.

As Media Matters for America noted, on the January 31 edition of ABC's World News, senior national correspondent Jake Tapper cited radio host Rush Limbaugh as an "[o]bserver" during a report on Sen. Joseph R. Biden Jr.'s (D-DE) controversial comments on Sen. Barack Obama (D-IL). Tapper did this despite Limbaugh's history -- unmentioned by Tapper -- of racially charged comments, including comments about Obama himself. Coulter appeared on Good Morning America on October 5, 2004, and said of then-Sen. Max Cleland (D-GA) that "liberals were lying about how he lost his limbs in Vietnam" and that "[t]hey've all become jock-sniffers for war veterans."

From Moran's February 7 post on his ABCNews.com blog, Pushback:

A couple of points. First, it seems to me that trashing the sacred beliefs of another person in sexually explicit or scatological terms for the purpose of wounding and delegitimizing the other person could fairly be construed as hateful. The gutter is always the comfortable resort of haters. That's why white supremacists use the word "n*****" and slander all black men by portraying them as sexually predatory beasts; that's why antisemites repeat the blood libel. For another disgusting example of this kind of discourse, check out what "James" wrote about Islam in response to my post on Edwards and Marcotte (at 2:40:24 PM EDT); pure hatred, in my view.

There are all kinds of ways to dispute what another person says or believes. Sometimes, giving offense is a great way to make a point, to get heard, to break through the unspoken oppression of certain views. But to seek to obliterate the legitimacy of another person's faith or other allegiances--and wound them in the process with the vilest terminology--isn't debate. It's rhetorical gangsterism.

There are plenty of examples of this tactic across the airwaves, the Internet and campaigns these days. A lot of what Ann Coulter has said could certainly be construed as hate speech; Rep. Rahm Emanuel and the Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee raised the issue in the last election, demanding that Republicans "denounce Ann Coulter's hate speech." Ann_coulter_petiton When the Catholic League's Bill Donohue declares, ""Hollywood is controlled by secular Jews who hate Christianity in general and Catholicism in particular," that could be construed as hateful (and stupid). Rush Limbaugh comparing liberals to cockroaches could be construed as classic eliminationist rhetoric, used by haters for centuries to avoid real debate against their opponents, delegitimizing and dehumanizing those who disagree with them. The list goes on--on both the right and the left.

Now, it's a free country. Rush Limbaugh can spew all the hatred he wants. So can Ann Coulter, Amanda Marcotte, or me. But political leaders are different. In order for a government of compromise, consensus and common sacrifice to work, we expect our leaders to disavow hate, to conduct our public business in a manner respectful of all our citizens, consistent with our best traditions. Hate breaks down the sinews of the body politic and sets us against each other as enemies to be defeated. This is fatal to a diverse, democratic republic. Lincoln, as usual, said it best: "We are not enemies, but friends. We must not be enemies. Though passion may have strained, it must not break our bonds of affection." And so it seems fair to me that we ask politicians who embrace those who spew what might be construed as hatred whether they endorse or disavow it. That goes for Vice President Cheney--who is a regular guest on Limbaugh's program--or for John Edwards, who has hired Amanda Marcotte. This isn't about censorship. It's about leadership.

Second, there's the issue of the blogoshpere itself. A lot of people have told me that what Marcotte and others (liberal and conservative) are writing is just par for the course out there. Blogs, I'm told, are different. They're new--they're edgy--they're breaking the boundaries of old-fogey media and ushering in a new era of public discourse. I buy a lot of that. But speech is still speech. And hate is still hate. If you call a black man a "n*****" on a blog, it's just as offensive as shouting it in his face. It seems to me that bloggers (and those who post comments on them) sometimes forget this; the lack of a flesh-and-blood interlocutor and the anonymity the internet offers unleash the rhetorical beast in us. Rage, vituperation, insult, slur, infantile taunting--you see a lot of that on many blogs. That, I am told, is just the rough-and-tumble world of bloggers, having at each other and everyone else with raw gusto, just like those old pamphleteers to whom they are so often compared. OK, fine, whatever. But you don't get a pass from the tenets of basic decency in civil discourse just because you blog.

Third, my bro. Many of you have noted that I am the brother of Rick Moran, who writes the Right Wing Nuthouse blog, and you have concluded that I am somehow in cahoots with Rick, or share his view of the world. For the record, I had no idea Rick was writing about this subject when I posted yesterday. But far more important: I love my brother something fierce. I am very proud of him. We do not agree on many, many things (as decades of uncomfortably loud dinner table disagreements have demonstrated). In no way do I endorse anything he writes; that's not for me to do here. But I will never disavow him. I will always defend him as an honorable man. And I really don't care what anyone says about it. He is my brother.

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    • Author by tommy (February 08, 2007 5:30 pm ET)
         

      It's very clear that this website despises Glenn Beck, but as I have been admonished numerous times over and over here, it isn't up to me to be the decider.  It's not my blog.  I would say the same thing to MMFA on it's criticism of this particular blog. 

      After all, he went after Coulter and Limbaugh, two out of three is a .667 batting average, pretty good.  Does nothing satisfy?..............

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      • Author by mr. l (February 08, 2007 5:50 pm ET)
           

        ok- but who WOULDN'T go after 2 of the MOST RECOGNIZABLE HATERS on the airwaves..? And, Tommy, all one has to do is LISTEN to Bark and they can tell REALLY QUICKLY he is a looney homophobe racist...

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        • Author by tommy (February 08, 2007 5:55 pm ET)
             

          Loony homophobic racists shouldn't last too long on a major television network fighting for every viewer, should they?  If his loony homophobic racism is as evident and out there as you proclaim, then it only stands to reason it can't be too hard to hide from those viewers that ABC, and every network, so covets.  And ABC would be equally as loony to keep him around, right?

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          • Author by mr. l (February 08, 2007 6:02 pm ET)
               

            IN A SANE WORLD.....!!!! Yes...but THESE people are STILL on the air spewing garbage...methinks the news companies have an agenda that does NOT include tolerance, respect and truthfulness...BUT, TOMMY, you already know this and have said THESE people are still on because their inflammatory remarks spark controversy, which some people say some people like...

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            • Author by ldoren1626 (February 09, 2007 7:05 pm ET)
                 

              Mr. L.

              I have no respect for your statements.  You make them without backing up any homophobic comments Beck has ever said.

              There is clear evidence you never watch the show either.

              He is also not a racist...he gives equal time to muslims (who is works with outside his show), blacks, and all minorities.

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          • Author by therick (February 08, 2007 9:15 pm ET)
               

            Sounds like your saying that the market will weed out what it wants and doesn't want, which makes me question "Is it okay with you to sell hatred, bigotry, and racism, if that's what is in demand?"

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            • Author by tex (February 09, 2007 2:34 am ET)
                 

              THE RICK:

              Good point. Rightwingers are all "open and free markets" unless it comes to items like, say, pornography. Huge market out there, lots of demand, but ... uh ... the rightwingers want THAT market shut down.

              And it goes without saying that this same "selective" market censorship should include political messages from the Left. Since such thinking can be considered "porn", then it's OK to censor it.

              It's all in the semantics. We are reminded of the semantical trick used in Nazi Germany to justify the holocaust. It's evil to murder a fellow human being, so the Jews were dehumanized by calling them "vermin". It's perfectly OK to exterminate vermin, and so the Germans wouldn't run into the cognitive dissonance of believing themselves to be "good and moral", and yet pursuing a program of mass murder. Just don't think of it as murder, it's only extermination.

              And it's not censoring "leftwing" messages with which one disagrees, it's standing up against pornography. That way, you can still be a "freedom-loving rightwingers" and shut down dissent at the same time (destroying freedom). Of course, when you get rid of those evil leftwing messages (for "moral" rather than "market" reasons), what you're left with is Limbaugh and Hannity and Beck.

              Yup, this "free market" thing works great, if you make sure the decisions at the top eliminate "undesirables" before they see any airtime. 

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              • Author by Nostalgic_for_the_Future (February 09, 2007 8:59 am ET)
                   

                Tex,

                You are arguing against yourself.

                First you blast Cons. for selective limits and claim there should be none and then on the next line you disparage Nazis.

                Which one is it?

                so there should be no limits placed on society's but the ones you decide?

                By standing up for porn  you place yourself close to the nazi community. The sex trade enslaves women(and boys) the world over turning them into objects destroying their lives.

                Anyone who has a Mother, Daughter, Sister.... and partakes in porn is ignorant and worse.

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                • Author by skeptical (February 09, 2007 11:16 am ET)
                     

                  You are not very bright Nostslgic.  Tex didn't "stand up for porn" he used it as an example of the hypocriticalness of the republican/conservative way of thinking.

                  You need to understand someone's comments a little better before you make a stupid reply.

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                • Author by redking75687 (February 09, 2007 1:01 pm ET)
                     

                  Actually, most women go into porn very willingly. Most just experiment with it and then go one to lead very normal lives. That's why so many porn starlets come and go....no pun intended. I admit there is a sex slavery trade out there, but that's dedicated mainly to prostitution. Porn's far more controlled legally. I would argue for legalizing prostitution, as they have in Europe. That way we can monitor the sex trade more closely and help weed out the bad aspects of it.

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      • Author by darkerwiththeday (February 08, 2007 5:56 pm ET)
           

        Tommy,

        when it comes to adherence to principals, near enough is not good enough - two thirds oposition to hate doesn't cut it. Your suggestion that a little bit of hate is ok reflects exactly the kind of apathy that created the disgraceful media we have today. There's an expression that comes to mind...."You've gotta stand for something or you'll fall for anything." Hatred and ignorance have no place in a civilized political environment - unless we strive, unrelentingly to eliminate them entirely, the virus will grow back again and again.

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        • Author by tommy (February 08, 2007 5:59 pm ET)
             

          I didn't say a little bit of hate was OK.  My post was a little tongue in cheek, but ABC has every right to employ who they see fit, and you have every right to email them, or write them, or do whatever is lawful to show your displeasure on their hiring practices........or turn to a different channel.

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          • Author by darkerwiththeday (February 08, 2007 6:39 pm ET)
               

            Well, when you an express a sentiment akin to 2 outta 3 ain't bad, I tend to read that as meaning that 1 outta 3 (hateful morons on air) is ok. The issue isn't petitioning networks or exercising choice, its about having a system in place that doesn't allow this kind of garbage on the airwaves. As far as i can see, MMFA is the only organisation that is actually trying to maintain a decent standard on this issue. When you ask what more do you want, my answer is a perfect batting average - 3 outta 3!

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            • Author by tommy (February 08, 2007 6:43 pm ET)
                 

              What system in place do you advocate that does not allow this type of garbage on the airwaves? 

               

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              • Author by darkerwiththeday (February 08, 2007 6:49 pm ET)
                   

                Complete overhaul and reform at the FCC would be a start. Engaging real people in a public discussion of what needs to be done  - looking for concensus among citizens of the nation rather than pandering to corporate interests that way the FCC does now. These would be ideal starting points for solving the problem - this is a nation that is more outraged by a prime-time nipple appearance than by a stolen Presidential election which was called by Bush's cousin at Fox news.

                Don't you think there's a need for a rational examination of how the official regulators of the media are failing?

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                • Author by tommy (February 08, 2007 6:53 pm ET)
                     

                  I am not opposed to examining any media practice, in principal.  But I do not want our airwaves policed in a manner that opens up the slippery slope to censorship.  That is far more dangerous than any Imus or Savage.

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                  • Author by darkerwiththeday (February 08, 2007 7:01 pm ET)
                       

                    Indeed, but you're talking about an "either or" argument - I'm suggesting a more sophisticated approach that is grounded in democratic principles of underpinning reasonable debate - we're in a place now where anyone can go on T.V and suggest almost anything about almost anyone, with virtually no consequences. I don't claim to have all the answers and I'm certainly not advocating cencorship, but there are a range of issues that we can do better on. For instance, part of the problem is in the blurring of lines between news and opinion - I don't want to silence either one necessarily, but i do believe that there should be a clear line between the two... blurring the line alows Fox to get away with reporting rumour and innuendo (often generated by their friends at the RNC) as factual news. They don't have to substantiate the smears that they spew and as a result it takes the form of news in the minds of many voters. No decent, intelligent person who cares about a functioning democracy could characterise that as a good thing.

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                  • Author by therick (February 08, 2007 9:25 pm ET)
                       

                    But that's not really the issue, is it Tommy.  The issue isn't about censorship.  The issue is about acceptable standards.

                    The age old "fire in a crowded theater" argument, (and supreme court ruling) tells us that tthe Constitution allows grants us free speech up to the point where it puts others in danger.  Perhaps the solution would be to say anything you like, but be willing to pay a price if what you said proves to bring harm to others.  And perhaps that price is to lose your job when you spread hate speech, or outright lies.

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                • Author by aDifferent McCain (February 09, 2007 9:18 am ET)
                     

                  But Darker,

                  If you open the discussion up to the average citizen, that can also create issues. Look at the states that have voted against gay marriage, the main arguement with that was allowing the majority to vote on the rights of the minority.

                  What happens when you open up your panel, for example and 6 out of 10 on the panel like the garbage being spewed? Or decide that they don't like interracial marriage and decide that a TV show with a interracial couple should be banned?

                  I'm just saying, maybe the laws should be worked on first to establish some limits (like why is sex a bad thing, but graphic violence is okay?). Why does a scene where a happily married couple shows there love, get cut. But a scene where an axe weilding murderer chops up the married couple remains.

                  Just raising some issues

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              • Author by bingvangorden (February 08, 2007 8:00 pm ET)
                   

                The Fairness Doctrine. It worked before and we were better informed. It's not about censorship but truthful standards and fairness when it came to the public airwaves.

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                • Author by papi_ross6485 (February 08, 2007 8:03 pm ET)
                     

                  What is happening with the Fairness Doctrine? Is there talk about reinstituting it or is it gone altogether?

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                  • Author by therick (February 08, 2007 9:28 pm ET)
                       

                    I've heard some Democratic Party Senators and Congressmen kicking the idea around.  Let's hope they kick it through the goalposts.  Bring it back--Please!

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                    • Author by leatherhelmet (February 08, 2007 11:55 pm ET)
                         

                      That's ridiculous. It was a semi-decent law when there was only 3 channels available. Now there is unlimited channels and unlimited points of view. The Fairness Doctrine in 2007 is worthless. Maybe you want it extended to the internet where Media Matters would be force to put on Sean Hannity to rebut every blog article.

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                      • Author by roundhouse (February 09, 2007 8:38 am ET)
                           

                        Bring Hannity on. He would get his clock cleaned.

                        The Fairness Doctrine was basically citizen oversight of the public airwaves. Citizens lodged complaints to the FCC and the complaints were investigated.

                        Not much has changed, they are still the public airwaves only larger.

                        It is so telling that cons try cast the Fairness Doctrine as censorship. It reveals their lack of confidence in their ability to openly defend their philosophies against anything other than strawmen.

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                        • Author by Nostalgic_for_the_Future (February 09, 2007 9:05 am ET)
                             

                          How funny,

                          i think by begging for the FD it shows just how good LIBS have it in the media.

                          most of you only think of taking down the Monsters but think anything you consume would be unaffected.

                          You are right off course but not because of content but because a LIB Govt would hold the keys.

                          How did we get to the point where defenders of expressions became litigators for it's extinction?

                          you guy's could run a south american country.

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                          • Author by roundhouse (February 09, 2007 10:38 am ET)
                               

                            What on earth are you talking about?

                            Please try again and do make sense this time.

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                            • Author by Nostalgic_for_the_Future (February 09, 2007 10:46 am ET)
                                 

                              house.

                              pretty clear really.

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                              • Author by skeptical (February 09, 2007 11:17 am ET)
                                   

                                Nostalgic, your comments are as clear as mud!

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                              • Author by roundhouse (February 09, 2007 11:50 am ET)
                                   

                                Alright then.

                                How does calling for the return of the FD in any way prove that the left has it so good in the media? Especially given the righty argument that Fox and righty talk radio are more prevalent because they out-compete left leaning programs. In other words, how does conservative media preeminence prove your assertion? Don't bother with the pat, 'the market has spoken,' jive. How many liberals are licensees to the public airwaves?

                                As for the Monsters comment. Liberal progressives overwhelmingly welcome the oppurtunity to respond to rightwing dogma and accept challenges to our beliefs. We are confident that our progressive worldview resonates more acutely with American values than does the conservative message. It only serves to strengthen both sides to open the floor to debate. Apparently, conservatives have no such faith that they can withstand any such dialogue. Just look at the censorious scallywag freepers. How many true progressives get the chance to debate Limbaugh, Hannity, Savage or Coulter?

                                Yeah, right. Lib gov'nt would hold the keys. What part of citizen oversight does not compute?

                                The extinction of free expression? Say whatsoever your conservative heart desires, just be prepared defend you words. That's all.

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                                • Author by tommy (February 09, 2007 12:02 pm ET)
                                     

                                  Face it, the only reason you are calling for the FD is because since you haven't been able to effectively compete in the freemarketplace of talk radio/TV - you go whine to the government and ask them to step in.

                                  With the internet and hundreds of cable and radio channels, there are plenty of avenues open to get the "progressive" message out there.   

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                                  • Author by roundhouse (February 09, 2007 1:50 pm ET)
                                       

                                    If you're going to ignore the substance of what I write in my posts don't bother responding to them.

                                    You may notice I no longer bother reading or responding to your posts. Please extend me the same courtesy.

                                    Thank you and buh-bye.

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                                  • Author by therick (February 09, 2007 3:52 pm ET)
                                       

                                    Ah, sorry, but no.  We're not calling for the Fairness doctorine for any reason other than we want opposing viewpoints heard.  When ever one side owns the radio and TV stations, we will only hear one sides viewpoints.

                                    What would happen if in the future most/all stations were bought by China.  [Yes I know this can't happen because their licensing would have to be approved by the FCC]  Would we then be getting news and information with anything less than a Communistic slant?

                                    Think about it.  Then rationalize why we should only hear Conservative viewpoints because they own the stations.

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      • Author by harley (February 08, 2007 6:10 pm ET)
           

        It's not my blog.~Tommeeeee

         

        Yet you are here 24/7 defending the vile and filth known as the right-wing.  Tell all of us what it's like to be unemployed and spend every waking moment defending the RW filth of this planet?

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        • Author by tommy (February 08, 2007 6:18 pm ET)
             

          OK, I love being unemployed.  Actually, I just got offered a job on another planet defending RW filth, the pay is much better and the filth is, well, filthier.  But the commute is a killer so not sure yet?  

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    • Author by scooter (February 08, 2007 5:41 pm ET)
         

      Thank you MMFA, for the wonderful research, especially with respect to Glen Beck. He never goes after Coulter or Hannity. 

      Glen Beck is the most unfunny homophobic racists I have ever heard polluting the airwaves. It is hard to listen to someone over-enunciate for more than a few minutes, but within 10 minutes you hear how Glen hates someone so much (anyone not like him) that you have to cringe. Angry White Man syndrome.

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    • Author by detepe (February 08, 2007 5:52 pm ET)
         

      Tommy -

      It's not a 2 outta 3 deal.  Beck should get extra weight in the discussion.  The fact that Moran is speaking as a representative of ABC and ABC hired a hate speaker like Beck for a nationally televised job makes the hypocracy is pretty obvious and obnoxious.

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    • Author by Zoomie (February 08, 2007 6:14 pm ET)
         

      Sort of a double standard (gee, what else is now) here by Moran, isn't it? He attacks all "hate speech", left and right, even naming Limbaugh and Coulter as examples from the right. But then he attacks Edwards for hiring two liberal bloggers who (Moran says) engage in hate speech.

      So...where is the attack of ABC for hiring and airing Limbaugh and Coulter? Why is it wrong for Edwards to have the bloggers write for him, but its ok for Limbaugh and Coulter to make money for ABC with their hate speech?

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    • Author by DorisRussell (February 08, 2007 6:34 pm ET)
         

      Hate comes from both the left and the right.  MSNBC employees hatemongers in Don Imus and Keith Olbermann ignores daily hate from the Imus show but picks on FOX. Where is the MMFA outrage about this issue?I am so sick and tired of hate speech from all people. 

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      • Author by darkerwiththeday (February 08, 2007 6:45 pm ET)
           

        What, you think that MMFA defends Imus do you? I find it amazing that you can criticise Olbermann for not being right about more stuff. Yes, perhaps more people at MSNBC need to go after Imus, but that has nothing to with the fact that Olbermann's criticisms of Fox and others are completely correct - Olbermann is right on the money and so you try to find fault with him because he doesn't do more of it - what next - are you gonna criticise Congressional Medal of Honor winners for only saving a platoon single-handedly instead of winning a war? Nutty.

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        • Author by leatherhelmet (February 08, 2007 11:59 pm ET)
             

          The only Olbermann has gotten right is the piece he did on the waterskiing squirrel.

          He lives to hate Bill O'Reilly to garner ratings and even with that he can't crack the top 15. 

          I am still waiting for his apology for his outlandish uneducated ignorant lies about the tv show 24.

           

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          • Author by solon (February 10, 2007 8:06 pm ET)
               

            We are waiting for YOUR appology for the ignorant, uneducated lies you tell on this site day after day.

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      • Author by Marker (February 09, 2007 8:21 am ET)
           

        Wrong again Russell, most hate comes via the right wing and you obviously don't watch Olbermann.

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    • Author by IRONY 101 (February 08, 2007 7:06 pm ET)
         

      Well, it's a start...

      I'm just glad that Terry Moran specifically called out Ann Coulter, Rush Limbaugh and others for their "hate speech"... even though his own network has on occasion given some of these despicable people a platform. As Howard Cosell used to say, he's just 'telling it like it is." But ABC still needs to get the message that hate speakers ain't cool...

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    • Author by papi_ross6485 (February 08, 2007 7:56 pm ET)
         

      When it gets down to it, its all about mining for dollars anyway you can. When you look at what Rush and the rest of the haters get paid to do their thing, it boggles the mind. The network owners look at the money being made (plus their own personal agendas). From an ethical or moral standard, they are wrong and they know it, it just pays too well to give it up. Doesn't Rush's contract have a worth into the 9 figures? And you know if that's the case, the company is making a killing.

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      • Author by darkerwiththeday (February 08, 2007 8:12 pm ET)
           

        I agree, the profit motive is supreme in this issue - which is why we need serious regulation. Naturally, the network heads are consumed with the pursuit of ever greater profits - time and time again we see this pursuit as being a priority over the values of things like democracy, health & safety, human decency, the public's right to know, legal principles like innocent until proven guilty and just plain human rights. Regulation is merely a choke-chain on businesses that behave like rabid dogs in chasing a buck.

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        • Author by papi_ross6485 (February 08, 2007 8:22 pm ET)
             

          I wonder why, and this may sound like a dumb question, there hasn't been a business proposal given to these guys and gals that shows the profitability of doing the right and proper thing? I always believed that if the tide goes to far one way, that there would be an opening up of opportunities to bring the scale back the other way. Just a thought.

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    • Author by proud_liberal (February 09, 2007 9:33 am ET)
         

      I distinctly remember Rush himself saying on his radio program that he was serving as a White House campaign consultant during the 04 election season.  Anyone care to quiz Terry Moran, or the right wingnuts for that matter, about where their sanctimonious outrage was at that time?

      I swear, dealing with the right wing sometimes feels like talking to a bunch of 3rd graders.

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    • Author by redking75687 (February 09, 2007 1:05 pm ET)
         

      Here's how you deal with all those far-right fascist scum who are populating network tv...change the channel and deny them a viewer. The Amish call it "shunning".

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    • Author by mikedidier6471 (February 09, 2007 5:31 pm ET)
         

      Edwards is shedding the softie,breck girl image though...here's video proof: [link to minor-ripper.blogspot.com]

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