Luntz claimed military plane for Pelosi is "not a security issue"
During a conversation about House Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-CA) having access to military aircraft to fly between Washington, D.C., and her home district, Republican pollster Frank Luntz stated on the February 7 edition of Fox News' Hannity & Colmes that "it is not a security issue. [Pelosi] doesn't need a plane." In fact, the website Think Progress noted that Wilson Livingood, the House sergeant at arms, released a statement on February 5, in which he stated that "[i]n December 2006, I advised Speaker Pelosi that the US Air Force had made an airplane available to [former] Speaker [J. Dennis] Hastert [R-IL] for security and communications purposes following September 11, 2001." In a subsequent statement released February 8, Livingood added that he "request[ed] an aircraft" for Pelosi "capable of making non-stop flights for security purposes, unless such an aircraft is unavailable."
Further, during a February 7 White House press briefing, in answer to the question "Does the President think it's a good idea that Speaker Pelosi have a large government military jet available to her to [fly] back and forth to California?" White House press secretary Tony Snow stated:
MR. SNOW: After September 11th, the Department of Defense -- with the consent of the White House -- agreed that the Speaker of the House should have military transport. And so what is going on is that the Department of Defense is going through its rules and regulations and having conversations with the Speaker about it. So Speaker Hastert had access to military aircraft and Speaker Pelosi will, too.
During the February 8 press briefing, Snow stated that the White House's position is that Pelosi "is entitled to military transport" and that "[i]t is important for the Speaker to have this kind of protection and travel":
MR. SNOW: [A]s Speaker of the House, she is entitled to military transport, and that the arrangements, the proper arrangements are being made between the Sergeant of Arms office in the House of Representatives and the U.S. Department of Defense. We think it's appropriate, and so, again, I think this is much ado about not a whole lot. It is important for the Speaker to have this kind of protection and travel. It was certainly appropriate for Speaker Hastert. So we trust that all sides will get this worked out.
From Livingood's February 8 statement:
As the Sergeant at Arms, I have the responsibility to ensure the security of the members of the House of Representatives, to include the Speaker of the House. The Speaker requires additional precautions due to her responsibilities as the leader of the House and her Constitutional position as second in the line of succession to the presidency.
In a post 9/11 threat environment, it is reasonable and prudent to provide military aircraft to the Speaker for official travel between Washington and her district. The practice began with Speaker Hastert and I have recommended that it continue with Speaker Pelosi. The fact that Speaker Pelosi lives in California compelled me to request an aircraft that is capable of making non-stop flights for security purposes, unless such an aircraft is unavailable. This will ensure communications capabilities and also enhance security. I made the recommendation to use military aircraft based upon the need to provide necessary levels of security for ranking national leaders, such as the Speaker. I regret that an issue that is exclusively considered and decided in a security context has evolved into a political issue.
As Media Matters for America noted, on the October 31, 2006, edition of Hannity & Colmes, Luntz smeared Pelosi, saying, "I always use the line for Nancy Pelosi, 'You get one shot at a facelift. If it doesn't work the first time, let it go.' " Co-host Alan Colmes replied: "That's a cheap shot," to which U.S. News & World Report senior writer and Fox News contributor Michael Barone responded, "I agree with Alan -- it's a cheap shot."
From the February 7 edition of Fox News' Hannity & Colmes:
LUNTZ: And let me tell you, Sean, this situation with Nancy Pelosi and the aircraft -- that's going to play very badly for the Democrats, and I think that's going to reflect badly on Hillary Clinton who, at this point, is the front-runner.
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COLMES: Frank, you took a shot at Nancy Pelosi. The fact of the matter is: She did not initiate this. It came from the sergeant of arms. Conservatives are making a bigger deal of this than really exists. And we got very little press when there was a Denny Hastert issue when he asked for the same thing. So, you say it's going to resonate and be -- and hurt the front-runner for the Democrats. I disagree. I -- where are you getting this information?
LUNTZ: Well -- no, here's the issue. The public said "no" to the Republican Party in 2006 because they thought that they'd gone native -- that they'd gone Washington -- that there wasn't a sense of accountability. But they will say the same "no" to the Democrats if they seem to be -- abuse their power. And she doesn't need a huge, gigantic plane.
COLMES: She didn't ask for one. She just wants a nonstop --
LUNTZ: If she wants to deny everybody else from flying -- you know what?
COLMES: -- doesn't want to have to refuel. It's a security issue whether or not she should stop to refuel.
LUNTZ: She does -- it is not a -- it is not a security issue. She doesn't need a plane, and American taxpayers -- I can promise you, Alan -- the American taxpayers don't want to be paying for her private flights in huge jets.
COLMES: But it's not her decision, it's the sergeant at arms. She doesn't make that decision, Frank.
SEAN HANNITY (co-host): All right, we gotta run.
LUNTZ: She can say no. She can say no.
MICHAEL BROWN (Democratic strategist): The American taxpayers do not want to pay for a war they don't agree with --
HANNITY: She was offered the plane.
LUNTZ: Just say no, Alan.
HANNITY: She -- he's asking for the bigger plane. She, herself is asking --
COLMES: She didn't make that decision.
HANNITY: -- and it would be $300,000 round trip for the American taxpayer.
COLMES: It was not her decision.
LUNTZ: Exactly.
HANNITY: This is a bad political play, Frank. Frank, I agree with you.
BROWN: How do you justify that we're paying for the war and all the dollars we're paying for them when the American people don't want that to happen, either?















Luntz is a moron, the Speaker deserves the plane and security.
Also MMFA , this is a silly story, why are we discussing it?
...because media pundits ARE LYING and trying to SPARK a controversy where there should be NONE...!!! Why didn't fake news have this with the LAST speaker of the house, eh...?
dont know dont care, this is silly.
how is NATIONAL SECURITY for members of the government 'silly' to you...?
National Security for Rep Pelosi or other elected officials is not silly. The GOP and Frank Lutz trying to make this a story is silly.
Sorry the morons name is Luntz.
so why is mmfa silly for pointing it out?
MMFA is not silly, the story is silly. Are you trying to start a fight?
read the mission statement of the site.
mission statement of the site is fine, GOP lies is not.
"gop lies is not." "this is a silly story. why are we discussing it?"
GOP lies and this story are silly, I dont understand your point other than you want to start a fight. For what reason I have no idea.
then why do you insist that we should not be discussing the "gop lie", which is what this "silly story" is?
After all this nutness , I realized I made a typo. I meant MSM not MMFA. Sorry my mistake.
no sale. i'm not buying it after two days and many posts over two threads. and you still called me a liar on the luntz thread, insisted i was defending him, and said i was hateful towards pelosi. more mistakes? i wrote none of those things.
make that the clinton haircut thread you called me a liar on.
misunderstanding, sorry, take it or leave it.
you to me at 735 this morning: "you lie and everyone caught it." i think i'll leave it.
Doris , I have read these posts you are a very confused person. "mefirst" although he/she is at times a vicious poster and someone who does not know how to use the English language , especially when it comes to typing was not defending the GOP. I will take your word that you meant typo for "MSM" not "MMFA". Sadly there are some on here that want to disrupt sites, personally attack people. That is why I rarely post on here anymore. I love reading MMFA but will hardly engage anymore in discussions with people bent on changing subjects, offtopic and taking other posters out of context.
Please though, that does not mean that MMFA should not be supported through donations and alerts when we see Conservative misinformation. This is a very important time for all of us to be on the lookout and writing letters to networks. We are now in 2008 political season and the time help make real change. The media and the Right wing hate groups will do whatever they can to disrupt true Democratic Party and Progressive causes.
Good luck to all and I hope we all stay involved, no matter how hard it will get.
MMFA- Great job on exposing the Right wing agenda especially when involving Speaker Pelosi.
J, That is your right to feel I am confused or as you also called me stupid. The attack and story on the plane was silly. I am very confused as to why that statement by me caused such an uproar. For the record again, I meant MSM the story is silly. MMFA was not silly and is not silly for reporting about it. It was my error. It was also my error in debating mefirst in a childish way. I am a 60 plus year old women, I should know better.
you "two" are hilarious.
Well said JLyons
Good to see you back. The GOP noise machine will be more fierce than in 04 and that is hard to believe. We look back on what they did to Kerry in 04 and we can only hope that there will be a candidate in 08 that will fight back. Terry McCauliffes book said it the best in regards to this subject.
MMFA will need our donations and help as we get deeper into this political season. Dont let the distractors take away from what we need!!!!
i know it's a coincidence? but you and "doris" have the same habit of using "dont" instead of "don't".
So you do not believe in what I said? Can you be specific?
Doris = Tommy. Fact.
They both spend every waking moment on MMFA with lunatic nonsensical rambling. They both use "silly" whenever they lack talking points. They are both anti-American and unhinged. Doris = Tommy = a loser. Fact. You've been exposed.
it's hard to prove, but doris does possess some very tommy-like attributes. when actually confronted with something, then start making ridiculous assertions and deflect the conversation away from what it is. tommy will many times be refuted on something and then pass that post right by and repeat the argument further into the thread. remember "jlyon"? he/she came on here claiming to be a liberal, and then made some post about how david brock and george soros were "desperate" to stop the abc movie "the path to 9-11". i pointed out that could have been written by any right winger. why take the time to point this stuff out? because i think there is a group of people determined to disrupt this site with arguments. after reading the two threads that doris and i went back and forth on, i think it's easy to see she is not what she pretends to be.
I am still around, barely and your still harping on that? I am not Doris (thankfully she seems very stupid and I am not Tommy). Are you Sue? You people need to stop the personal attacks on these threads and stick to the issue.
"changing subjects", your words,correct? here's you from the "path to 9-11" post i was talking about: "however there are more issues in america than this stupid movie....makes you wonder why george soros and david brock are so desperate to shut off a movie that i doubt most americans will watch anyway....". in the second sentence, you're implying some motive that is not there. in the first,wasn't that exactly my point through this whole discussion? people saying that we should not be discussing this or that? and i pointed to you as an example. if the shoe fits.
you will notice doris also has another tommy like attribute. on the two threads we are discussing, she is the first post on the board, saying: why are we disussing this, it's a joke.
Listen to Luntz, and understand that this is his self-fulfilling prophecy. The repubs need it to be an issue. For this to remain an issue with the public only requires that the right wing just keep spinning this yarn. Similar to the fable of Kerry's self-inflicted wounds, if not rebutted early and often, it becomes fact in the eyes of the public.
So, you're wondering why it's an issue? If it wasn't an issue, why would the wingers be spending so much airtime on it?
SAVE DEMOCRACY, VOTE FOR A DEMOCRAT!!
The "Noise of The Desparate, and Desparaged" as pathetic as always, and a lot to little, way to late to help the Republican!!!
Sean and Luntz are history and don't know it! I find great entertainment in watching their desparation. I know that is not the most attractive behavior, yet I feel the past decades of Republican rationalization, Clinton chasing, and fantasy based political policies, corruption, lies, and incompetance; I allow myself the luzury!
So let the mud be flung, the distortions come, the imaginary consequence of commonsense policies begin. The electorate is listening and seething for what they're hearing, assuring Democratic Dominance for the next Presidential and Congressional Cycles!
Happy Trails Cowboys & Cowgirls;
Dan Grady
Doris...
Your the silly one! Media Matters is doing a great job by correctly exposing this disgusting attack on Nancy by Conservatives. Your a female woman, why aren't you mad as hell about this?
If you don't see the need to expose such an attack on the Lady Speaker of the House, then I just can't figure you out. Why do you attack MMFA for doing their job?
Sam
I am very mad about the attack on Speaker Pelosi, the story was silly. Even Tony Snow felt the attacks on Speaker Pelosi was silly. Why is it so hard for people to understand that the attack on Speaker Pelosi over the plane was silly?
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2007/02/08/BAGHNO171A6.DTL&feed=rss.news
I'm sorry Doris...
I thought you were upset that MM was exposing this attack on Nancy.
I however, don't characterize it as a Silly attack. I think it was leveled as a serious attack and more of them are forthcoming.
If future attacks are as foolish as this one, it will only continue to hurt her attackers and place Conservatives at odds with each other.
Hey look everybody it's another fat white conservative who doesn't have a clue on FoxNews! Wow, that never happens.
Hannity is an ass. I love this right-wing pundit speak...
"It's not a security issue!" ... crickets.
That's it? That's all you have to do on FOX... just disagree like a pompous know-it-all and that will suffice.
I still assert that hannity is THE dumbest guy on radio and tv. But I'm thankful he's there - because of him, I don't have to think. All a person has to do is be against whatever he's for, and you're assured to be right.
Come to think of it, he's the perfect Bush spokesperson.
I agree as much as I despise Lying Limbaugh and psychotic Savage at least I dont think they are morons. Hannity would need to bulk up a few IQ points to MAKE the moron level
you know Solon it may be a coincidence but you and Doris and myself use the word "dont" instead of "d'ont".
Nice shot of Luntz...
Checkin' the wind Frank?
He is a Republican pollster. Maybe he's showing off his Republican Poll.
It is not a security issue just because they say it is a security issue. Airports are plenty secure. Is she going to ride in an armored car with a police escort everywhere she goes? Hastert should not have had a plane. Neither should Pelosi. The press is late on bring this story up, and wrong in the manner they are bringing it up, but are right in bringing it up. When you get a new House Speaker, it is not surprising the issue will come up. It isn't an issue that is going to come up out of the blue in the middle of a political term. The plane is about convenience and issue is about a waste of taxpayer money.
In addition, for $300,000 a flight; wouldn't it be easier to hire a few more security guards to take her to the airport and pick her up?
Do you work in the security industry?
Do you know it would cost $300,000, or are you just taking Luntz at his "word"?
The Speaker of the House of Representatives is 3rd in line for the Presidency. He or she shouldn't necessarily get Presidential-level security. But a plane and security detail at taxpayer expense is NOT too much to ask.
She is NOT allowed to use it for general personal travel. She is NOT allowed to use it for partisan fund-raising. She neither requested nor would receive such permission. Nor did she request a "bigger" or "private" plane. Every one of those points is a Republican lie and we should all thank MMFA for continuing to point out the falsehoods.
When you say its not a security issue because THEY say it is. I would respond that depends on who THEY are. Since 9/11 the people whose job it is to make JUST such decisions says it IS a security issue. Now perhaps you are right and they are wrong but THEY are the ones we pay to make such decisions and I am ok with it. Better safe, I didnt have a problem with it when Hastert was Speaker, or lets say I wouldnt have had anyone mentioned it and I dont now. The Speaker of the House is the second most powerful person in our government. A VP isnt even close. I feel better letting the professionals decide this and they say it IS a security issue
>>>>It is not a security issue just because they say it is a security issue. Airports are plenty secure.
So, would you be OK with the President flying commercial?
No? Then how about the Veep (#1 in line)? Should he fly commercial?
No? Then how about the Speaker (#2 in line)?
Oh, one more thought.... Where was the GOP criticism of Ashcroft when *HE* stopped flying commercial airlines in the summer of 2001?
Why...?
If it's the entire concept of providing a military aircraft for the benefit of the Speaker of the House that is so offensive to Sean and friends then why didn't they complain when Speaker Dennis Hastert fully used the privilege. Who instituted the policy of providing the aircraft to the Speaker after 9/11? Didn't the Republicans control everything at that time? And don't you just love how Hannity throws in little untruthful digs like "She, herself is asking --" ?
Luntz is a security expert?! I thought he was a pollster.
Learn something new every day.
Remember this from 2004?
http://mediamatters.org/items/200409030018
The Speaker of the House is next in the line of succession after the Vice President! It is most definitely a security issue. She never requested any type of plane exactly like no president has ever requested being given use of Air Force 1. The planes are assigned to them.
What I don't understand is why does the Air Force have a 757 outfitted for Dennis Kozlowski? A commercial 757 transports 200+ people, why would the the US Air Force have one that transports 42 and requires a crew of 16 and HAS A BED!
If this can be justified to hold in the inventory to jet around 4-star generals and their staffs, then what's the issue with the Speaker?
c.
Great point, Carl...!
Why does the Air Force even have a luxury jet? Some in the media make it appear that Nancy Pelosi demanded a jet with luxurious amenities to be at her disposal but fail to ask the underlying question of why the miliatry even has one... or how many luxury jets does the military maintain. But, I guess that to raise those questions one might be accused of being anti-military... or perhaps even hating our troops.
I don't have a problem with top generals flying in comfort. These planes have to be functional as flying command posts. Having flown military transport in the past, I can tell you that I often arrived at my destination feeling like cr@p. Maybe well rested generals will make better decisions. One can only hope.
That's a good point, Nuke...
I was unaware that the Speaker of the House was afforded the use of an airplane, and the more I think about it (and I'm not arguing with what you said) I think it's a good idea. The Speaker is second in line of Presidential succession and, particularly in this post 9/11 environment, if a crisis occurred it's a good idea to plan for the contingency of having the Speaker back in Washington ASAP. But what some have been suggesting is that Nancy Pelosi specifically requested an airplane with certain luxurious amenities, and I don't believe that to be true. I think that those who are saying that are just playing dishonest politics. Now if the Speaker, ANY Speaker of the House, whether it's Nancy Pelosi or not, ever abuses the travel privilges afforded that office then they should be nailed for that. But that's not the case here. For some people, such as Sean Hannity, to refer to this entire matter as the "Pelosi plane scandal" is purely dishonest.
One more thing...
I would still be interested to learn how large a fleet of so-called "luxury jets' (for lack of a better description) that our military maintains. Perhaps, you might be able to offer some information in that regard, Nuke. Do they have any with hot tubs and disco lights on board? ;>)
The plane in question is a C-40 B/C and is based upon the commercial Boeing 737-700 Business Jet. The cabin area is equipped with a crew rest area, distinguished visitor compartment with sleep accommodations, two galleys and business class seating with worktables.
http://www.af.mil/factsheets/factsheet.asp?id=189
It's the same plane that is used by the Vice President and the First Lady. It's interesting that no one is complaining about Laura Bush, an unelected civilian, using such "elaborate" military transportation.
"...no one is complaining about Laura Bush..."
As the last two remaining defenders of the Iraq war Laura and Barney the dog have been given special privileges by the President to show his appreciation.
Gopers Can't Give Up on This Non-Story
Many Republicans can't admit a mistake on this. They seem to be following a philosophy espoused 200 years ago:
"In politics, you must never retreat, never retrace your steps, never admit a mistake - otherwise you are discredited. If you have made a mistake. If you have made a mistake, you must persevere - that will put you in the right."
Even though most Republicans don't possess Napoleon Bonaparte's military experience, the nonetheless try to follw his political philosophy.
Dear Mr. Luntz,
Your tune of "Cry Me A River" is getting older and older. YOU GUYS, yes, yourself, a strategist and this Cyst-Jockey Hannity are the ones that lost it for the Cons, back in Novermber. Face the facts. But continue your absurd work and you will finalize our plans for the Democratic take-back of this country.
While you hobos are revelling in your money, you can look up into the sky and hear these resounding words, "It's a bird, it's a PLANE , no it's SUPERNANCY , flushing her toilet over FOX News.
Gee, another fat sh*thead neo-con "weighs in" on the issue of the day--an entirely manufactured slander of the Democratic Speaker of the House. 12 Billion dollars go missing, thousands of our soldiers die in Iraq (not to mention tens of thousands, perhaps hundreds of thousands innocent civilians) and the RNC is working overtime to smear Nancy Pelosi. The Republican Party was highjacked by fascist thugs and criminals and the MSM continues to facilitate their crimes.