Kurtz suggested no Republican candidate has hired "outrageous" blogger -- what about McCain?
SUMMARY: On CNN, Howard Kurtz suggested that no Republican
presidential candidate has hired "conservative bloggers who have said
some outrageous things." In
doing so, Kurtz overlooked Sen. John McCain's hiring of
conservative blogger Patrick Hynes, who has made numerous inflammatory
statements regarding religion and Democrats.
On the February 11 edition of CNN's Reliable Sources, during a discussion of the controversy surrounding two bloggers hired by John Edwards' presidential campaign, Huffington Post co-founder Arianna Huffington said that Edwards "did the right thing" in retaining the bloggers, who had come under fire from conservatives for their previous writings. CNN host and Washington Post media critic Howard Kurtz responded, "We'll play that tape if -- when ... a Republican candidate hires conservative bloggers who have said some outrageous things." But Kurtz's assumption -- that no GOP presidential campaign employs a blogger with a record of offensive statements -- overlooks Sen. John McCain's (R-AZ) hiring of conservative blogger Patrick Hynes, who has made numerous inflammatory statements regarding religion and Democrats.
In 2006, McCain's political action committee hired Hynes -- a blogger for the conservative weblog Ankle Biting Pundits -- as a consultant. As Media Matters for America noted, the media have largely ignored Hynes' failure to disclose his employment with McCain's campaign, even though he posted several blog entries praising McCain as a presidential candidate and attacking McCain's rivals. One exception was Kurtz, who highlighted Hynes' controversial actions in his July 27, 2006, Post column.
But as his statement on Reliable Sources indicates, Kurtz has not paid similar attention to Hynes' history of "outrageous" statements:
- Hynes referred to the Democratic Party as "anti-Christian." Hynes titled a July 6, 2006, blog post: "Exclusive Poll Info: Democrats Devolve Deeper into an Anti-Christian Party."
- Hynes asserted that the United States is a "Christian nation." In a June 2006 interview regarding his book, In Defense of the Religious Right (Nelson Current, 2006), Hynes was asked whether he believed it was fair to call America a "Christian nation." As blogger and attorney Glenn Greenwald noted, Hynes responded: "Yes. America is a Christian nation. As I write in my book, 'Is America a Christian nation? Of course it is. Don't be ridiculous. What a stupid question.' "
- Hynes apparently called Chelsea Clinton "hideously ugly" in a 2004 posting on the conservative website FreeRepublic.com -- echoing a joke McCain had reportedly told about Chelsea Clinton years earlier.
- Hynes suggested that Rep. Waxman be nicknamed "Pig Man." In late 2006, Hynes posted a photograph of Rep. Henry Waxman (D-NY) on Ankle Biting Pundits and solicited captions, saying, "[A] dude with a mug like this guy really needs a nickname." Hynes and his readers went on to offer numerous vulgar suggestions, as Greenwald explained:
Hynes entered his own Waxman contest by adding an "update" to his post -- a You Tube clip from Seinfeld in which the word "Pig Man" is mentioned five times in roughly 10 seconds. Most of the other entries for Waxman's nickname on Hynes' blog centered around what Hynes' readers apparently think is Waxman's big nose, though some were just more commonplace profanity. Here were the first four entries: "Nosferatu!" "NOSEGAY." "The Nose Knows." "Henry 'Nostrils' Waxman." Those were followed by: "How bout 'Asshole'?" "Prick?" "His face frightens children and repulses women."
After the first set of vulgar and insulting comments, a commenter objected that Hynes' behavior was "juvenile" and, in response, Hynes egged on his readers more: "C'mon. You guys have given us six years of "smirking chimp.' Let us have a little fun." That's a great contest McCain's consultant is running. Does McCain countenance his consultant's calling Henry Waxman "pig man" and encouraging his readers to mock the size of Waxman's big nose (a standard, highly offensive stereotype) and to spray vulgarities at Waxman?
From the February 11 edition of CNN's Reliable Sources:
KURTZ: But I want to move on, [Instapundit blogger] Glenn Reynolds, to John Edwards' presidential campaign.
As you know, he hired two liberal bloggers, Amanda Marcotte and Melissa McEwan, who had written some inflammatory things. Let me read something that Amanda Marcotte had written. This is, of course, before joining the campaign.
"Can't a few white boys sexually assault a black woman anymore without people getting all wound up about it? So unfair."
That, of course, a reference to the Duke sexual-assault case.
So what was Edwards going to do? He agonized. He said he was personally offended by what they've written, but he's keeping them on.
What was your reaction to that?
REYNOLDS: Well, I actually think Edwards did the right thing, though I'll note that most of the stuff that she said that was really inflammatory doesn't get read on the air because you probably can't, the stuff about the Virgin Mary, for example. Well, we won't go there. But --
KURTZ: Things that were perceived as being stridently anti-Catholic.
REYNOLDS: Yeah, that's right. And I think if you want to be a political operative -- and there are a lot of people in the blogosphere who really want to be political operatives -- you do have to realize that people who have that as a career goal tend to kind of make sure that they don't leave a nasty back trail. And a lot of people in the blogosphere have left a back trail, and some of it's kind of nasty.
Edwards, I assume, knew all about these people before he hired them. It's sort of hard to imagine that they could have hired bloggers without bothering to read their blogs. So I assume he thought this was OK, and I guess he still thinks it's OK because he's kept them. And that's right.
KURTZ: Well, unless his staff didn't do the obligatory Google search.
Arianna Huffington, if a candidate hires bloggers who have written some things that some folks are going to find offensive, does that candidate have to take responsibility for that?
HUFFINGTON: You know, I think this was another false scandal. And what made it particularly laughable was the fact that you had [right-wing pundit] Michelle Malkin and Bill Donohue of the Catholic League acting as kind of the arbiters of what is civil discourse, when both of them had made really inflammatory and extreme statements on many things, including in the case of Bill Donohue calling Hollywood being run by secular Jews and anti-gay statements.
So this was nothing but an attempt to embarrass Edwards. He did the right thing. He should have done it even earlier.
KURTZ: All right. We'll play that tape if -- when a conservative candidate hires -- a Republican candidate hires conservative bloggers who have said some outrageous things.















Well he probably doesn't view the right wing bloggers as being or having ever said anything outrageous.
Wow, Howie, way to use the out-of-context-quote trick. Yeah, that Pandagon, always hatin on the black man.
Jerk.
the ann coulter standard of civil discourse...
more of the "we're a christian nation" stuff. isn't that what the founding fathers said? actually no. the senate, under president john adams, passed the treaty of peace and friendship with tripoli, in which it specifically declared that the united states "is not a christian nation".
"As the Government of the United States of America is not in any sense founded on the Christian religion; as it has in itself no character of enmity against the laws, religion, or tranquillity, of Musselmen; and as the said States never have entered into any war or act of hostility against any Mehomitan nation, it is declared by the parties that no pretext arising from religious opinions shall ever produce an interruption of the harmony existing between the two countries."
thanks, i did not have the full quote.
Me love Google.
me too. i just did not take the time to look it up, since i already knew what it said. thank you again.
Hynes is only half right: The Democrat party IS anti-Christian and the United States IS a Christian nation. But Chelsea Clinton is far from ugly. She's kind of pretty, actually. And while Waxman looks remarkably similar to a pig, pointing it out is just plain wrong.
The "Democrat" party has the same position on religion as our founding fathers: a matter of conscience, best left to the individual. The Republics, those toadies to King George the W, are like the Tories of old, with their state religion. They are as anti-American as can be.
Also: Waxman much more resembles a possum, and Chelsea is a beauty, not just "kind of pretty." Them's fightin words if'n you wanna take it outside...
The Democrat party IS anti-Christian and the United States IS a Christian nation.
Care to provide proof for either of those two outlandish claims?
Oh please CLSn,
Tell us how the Democratic party is anti-Christian!
I'm sure you have lots to tell us. Little Pat Robertson and Rush Limboob talking points. Maybe throw in a little Donohue for good measure.
Do you have anything that comes from your own God-given mind?
Wow, clsn_lx1315
This "Democrat party" sounds bad. Who are they? I've never heard of a political party by that name.
BTW: its Democratic Party
The republic party supports war, murder, torture, disease, hate, segregation, and racism. I can't find one verse in the New Testament where Christ taught about these republic party principles. It's evident to the entire planet that the republic party is the most anti-Christian hate group in the history of mankind.
You arent half right though you may be a half wit. There is no Democrat party, doesnt exist and I wish you ReNAMBLAcans would learn the English language. Saying the Democratic party is anti-Chrisitan outs you as a propaganda parrot without the capacity to think for yourself. Most of my Democratic friends are Christians as am I. I do think though that the ReNAMBLAcan party is the lets get as many Americans killed as possible in Iraq party. Good luck with that as a campaign poster. While your post makes it clear you are a complete moron, I guess pointing it out might be construed as just wrong.
So you're a "Christian" but without knowing me, you call me a "half-wit", "a propaganda parrot without the ability to think" and "a complete moron". That's some brand of "Christianity" you subscribe to, Solon.
Jesus told the truth too, even when it hurt.
Jesus, it's pretty sad when you've got a host of a program which analyzes the media and,
they haven't even done the basic research that needs to be done before they open their mouths.
Maybe we should have a new program, "Reliable, Reliable Sources."
And what about the bloggers for John Thune in the 2004 election who harassed the South Dakota press and even passed on information from our old pal James Guckert/Jeff Gannon some of which, in the end, could not be proven.
After reading several of clsn_lx1315's recent posts, I believe the T-label should be applied to this person.
The Democratic party is not "anti-christian", they have never passed legislation that prevents christians from practicing thier religion. At most they have passed legisaltion that prevents one group's beliefs being shoved down other's throats or becoming law.
This country is not a christian nation, no one (until recently) has suggested this. Its an insult to the American spirit to suggest this. Stop hating my country and its history. (would it suprise you clsn, that President Washington's inaugration was a Mason ceremony?)
ADM- I beg to differ with your contention that "no one (until recently)" has claimed that America is a Christian nation.
Noah Webster, a Founding Father and one of the first to call for a Constitutional Convention, said: "The religion which has introduced civil liberty, is the religion of Christ and his apostles, which enjoins humility, piety, and benevolence; which acknowledges in every person a brother, or a sister, and a citizen with equal rights. This is genuine Christianity, and to this we owe our free constitutions of government."
Webster also said: "In my view, the Christian religion is the most important and one of the first things in which all children, under a free government, ought to be instructed...No truth is more evident to my mind than that the Christian religion must be the basis of any government intended to secure the rights and privileges of a free people."
Patrick Henry: "It cannot be emphasized too strongly or too often that this great nation was founded, not by religionists [pluralism], but by Christians; not on religions, but on the gospel of Jesus Christ! For this very reason peoples of other faiths have been afforded asylum, prosperity, and freedom of worship here."
John Quincy Adams: "The highest glory of the American revolution is this: it connected, in one indissoluble bond, the principles of civil government with the principles of Christianity."
You can label me a "T" (whatever that is) if you wish but you can't argue with the Founders of this country.
So then it should be easy for you to cite the references to Christianity in our nation's foundational document, the Constitution.
Go ahead, take your time...
Since when is the Constitution America's only foundational document? It might be painful for you read statements from America's Founders that go against what you've been taught, but you can't change what they said.
Since when is the Constitution America's only foundational document?
It is the sole foundation of our laws. The other things you cite, while fascinating, have no legal impact.
Can't answer my question, huh?
The Declaration of Independence is also a foundational document but I understand why you'd want to exclude THAT document. It's that pesky little phrase about governments being instituted among men to secure rights endowed by their CREATOR.
By the way, Rusty, The Declaration of Independence was established as the first volume of American Law in “The Public Statutes at Large of the United States of America, printed in 1845 by the authority of the United States Congress. 1 Stat. 1-3 (1845), making the Declaration coequal to the Constitution as a document of law.
But that's undermines your argument, now doesn't it, Rusty?
No, it doesn't. Or can you cite a case where a person or other legal entity was punished for violating the Declaration of Independence? Or a government action that it authorizes?
Sure, it's a founding document, but it has no legal effect.
Anyway, "Creator" sounds vague to me. Could mean Yahweh, Brahma, Ra, or the laws of physics. You'd think if the Founders meant the Christian God, they'd have said so clearly.
So anyhoo, why no mention of Christianity in the Constitution? Seems like a major oversight, if you're right about the Founders intending to establish a Christian country.
Your argument, verbatim, was "It [the Constitution] is the sole foundation of our laws." Then you admit that, "Sure, it's a founding document, but it has no legal effect." What part of "1 Stat. 1-3 (1845), making the Declaration coequal to the Constitution as a document of law" do you not understand, Rusty?
Next, you said, "So anyhoo, why no mention of Christianity in the Constitution? Seems like a major oversight, if you're right about the Founders intending to establish a Christian country." You obviously ignored the quotes I provided and you are either willfully ignorant of American history at best or dishonest at worst.
I'll leave you with this from James Madison: " We have staked the whole future of American civilization, not upon the power of government, far from it. We have staked the future of all of our political institutions upon the capacity of mankind for self-government; upon the capacity of each and all of us to govern ourselves, to control ourselves, to sustain ourselves according to the Ten Commandments of God." I know it hurts, Rusty, but facts hurt sometimes.
Here's a challenge for you. Go into a courtroom and use your sources to make a case. Any case. I'll use the Constitution and the laws made pursuant to it.
You will lose, because your source material has no legal effect. Interesting historical stuff, to be sure, but of little worth in a court of law.
Can you locate for me the Declaration of Independence in the current U.S. Code?
What part of "1 Stat. 1-3 (1845), making the Declaration coequal to the Constitution as a document of law" do you not understand, Rusty?
Oh, and I forgot to point out to you that statutes are not coequal to the Constitution.
I will admit that there is one circumstance under which the Declaration might have the force of law: if we have to break away from British rule again. Otherwise, it's just an inspirational historical artifact. Nice try though.
So, any luck finding Christianity in the Constitution yet?
Good point McCain...
Why do some of these "Christians" hate America so much?
Perhaps their just ignorant of our founding fathers.
As you know, he hired two liberal bloggers, Amanda Marcotte and Melissa McEwan, who had written some inflammatory things. Let me read something that Amanda Marcotte had written. This is, of course, before joining the campaign.
"Can't a few white boys sexually assault a black woman anymore without people getting all wound up about it? So unfair."
That, of course, a reference to the Duke sexual-assault case.
Huh? Anyone with an IQ above room temp. knows this is irony, right?
(Whether the case is actually proved is another matter. Not looking likely, the last I read).