Russert failed to challenge Boehner's misleading claim on Pelosi jet
On the February 11 edition of NBC's Meet the Press, host Tim Russert let go unchallenged House Minority Leader John Boehner's (R-OH) misleading claim that House Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-CA) asked for a "bigger plane" to fly to and from her district because she wanted "supporters and friends and others" to join her. Boehner said "concerns were elevated ... when she started to talk about taking family, staff, the supporters, and other members on her trip with her." In fact, Pelosi said, "It has nothing to do with family and friends, and everything to do about the security." The House sergeant at arms wrote that it was his recommendation that Pelosi fly in a military aircraft "that is capable of making nonstop flights" to and from her district, "unless such an aircraft is unavailable." As Media Matters for America previously documented, Pelosi's staff has stated she "will not use the plane for political travel."
Furthermore, according to rules established by the Pentagon, the speaker's family may fly on the aircraft but must reimburse the government. Members of Congress must obtain permission from the ethics committee. Only the spouse of the speaker may fly without charge for "official protocol purposes." From a February 8 Roll Call article:
The Pentagon issued further guidance to Pelosi's staff on Tuesday. She and her husband may fly military planes to her district as a "presidential courtesy," or without charge, as long as her husband is attending an event for "official protocol purposes," [Defense Department spokesman Lt. Col. Brian] Maka said.
The new Speaker may request, in writing, that other members of her family fly on the plane, but they must reimburse the government at coach rate for the flight and for incidentals such as meals.
Other Members of Congress may not travel on the plane without the express consent of the ethics committee, which would determine reimbursement rates.
Boehner's comments also misleadingly suggest that by flying with family, staff, or other members of Congress, Pelosi would be changing practices established by her predecessor, former House Speaker J. Dennis Hastert (R-IL). In fact, the Los Angeles Times reported: "Hastert, according to a military official, usually traveled with up to three staff members and two members of the Capitol Police. Occasionally his wife, Jean, came along too." Also, Chicago Sun-Times Washington bureau chief Lynn Sweet indicated that Rep. John Shimkus (R-IL) accompanied Hastert on at least one government flight from Illinois to Washington, after Shimkus' staff received an "urgent call" from the Republican leadership requesting his presence the next day at a Washington press conference on the House page scandal. According to The New York Times, Rep. Ray LaHood (R-IL) "said he had flown on Mr. Hastert's military plane."
As Media Matters noted, former and current aides to Hastert and the Republican leadership have made misleading claims regarding Hastert's use of military aircraft when he was speaker. These anonymous aides claimed Hastert's staff and family only irregularly, "occasionally," "sometimes," or "at times" accompanied him on flights and did not address whether members of Hastert's state delegation ever flew with him.
From the February 11 edition of NBC's Meet the Press:
RUSSERT: Let me turn to the whole issue of Speaker Pelosi. When she became speaker, she was given access to an airplane because, after September 11th -- president, vice president, speaker of the House, in terms of succession to the presidency -- Speaker Dennis Hastert, her predecessor, was given a plane to fly back and forth to his district in Illinois. Speaker Pelosi lives in California, so it'd take a different kind of airplane to make that flight nonstop. The Republican National Committee put out this: "Pelosi's Power Trip: 'Non-Stop' Nancy Seeks Flight of Fancy." And your colleagues in the House, Mr. Boehner, "Republic Conference Chairman Adam Putnam of Florida said Mrs. Pelosi's request represents 'an arrogance of office that just defies common sense,' and called it 'a major deviation from the previous speaker.' Minority Whip Roy Blunt of Missouri called it a 'flying Lincoln bedroom.' " What's, what's that all about?
BOEHNER: There's no question that the speaker, third in line to the president, ought to have the security of having a plane. The plane that was used for Mr. Hastert has a 4,000-nautical-mile range. So the same plane could've been used by Ms. Pelosi. Where the concerns were elevated is when she started to talk about taking family, staff, the supporters, and other members on her trip with her. And I think the taxpayers ought to provide a plane for her and her close staff. But when you start talking about supporters and other members and friends, I don't think the taxpayers ought to be held accountable for that.
RUSSERT: Now, the White House weighed in, and they're not usually willing to jump in on behalf of Nancy Pelosi's side, but this is what Tony Snow, the White House press secretary said: "This is a silly story, and I think it's been unfair to the speaker." You agree?
BOEHNER: Well, I think that, the fact that she didn't say much, most of what I know about this I read in the press. But again, when you start talking about taking supporters and friends and others, and that's why you need a bigger plane, I think there's got to be some line drawn. And I think that the G5 [Gulfstream aircraft] that the speaker [Hastert] used will get to California and back, and it's got 12 seats, plenty of room for her and her staff and security.
RUSSERT: Why not a 12-seat plane, which would be a very small part of the cost of a much larger plane?
HOUSE MAJORITY LEADER STENY HOYER (D-MD): Tim, this is -- this is much ado about nothing. Tony Snow, as you pointed out, said this is silly. The Republicans are frustrated because we've been so successful in the first month at doing our new direction, at doing six for '06. We had an average 62 Republicans vote for those bills, 124 for the bringing down college expenses for students and their families. The fact of the matter is, they were looking for something. The Sergeant at Arms suggested to the Defense Department that this was necessary for the speaker's security. The speaker didn't ask for this. All of this other stuff that's being added on is for political purposes, not for substantive purposes. Obviously, Speaker Hastert was flown to his destination, which was 1,000 miles closer than Ms. Pelosi's destination, and the Defense Department and the Secret Service or the Capitol Police are making arrangements. Nancy Pelosi hasn't asked for this.

















Russert was too busy recovering from being on the stand for 5 hours.
Another Pelosi "jet" story? There has been more mileage out of this nonissue to fuel 50 jets.
Well, if you don't like Pelosi jet stories and other nonissues perhaps you should target those individuals that insist on continually raising them with one of your eloquent posts. MMFA's job is to identify media stories that mislead and misinform the public. When Tim Russert allows a ranking Republican to perpetuate a false impression about a subject, MMFA's duty to point it out is obvious. Personally, I agree that plane story is clearly a non-issue. The real story is that the MSM can't seem to move on from it.
Boehner's a joke...
Boehner's such a whore he will say practically anything to politically twist or distort and create bogus issues for the benefit of Republicans. His comments sometimes are almost laughable. Russert should have challenged Boehner's remarks because if Russert has never noticed how Boehner operates then he hasn't been paying attention. And the, of course, one might assume that a newsman like Russert would know that the "issues" raised by Boehner were bogus. If any Speaker of the House, Republican or Democrat, ever abuses their transportation privileges then I say nail them. But, has Nancy Pelosi even flown in the damn jet yet?
I think YOU are a joke.
Please explain why Pelosi or any other Congressman or Senator requires a military aircraft for the performance of their office. If they want to be treated like corporate executives or entertainers then they are in the wrong profession.
It is a colossal waste of taxpayer's money to provide this benefit for any of them. And as far as Pelosi is concerned, there are a slew of direct flights connecting Dulles to San Francisco. All the major carriers are represented. I've flown these myself. They are the easiest transcontinental travel I've ever done, much more pleasant than making connections through Chicago, Dallas-Ft Worth, Cincinnati or Detroit.
"Please explain why Pelosi or any other Congressman or Senator requires a military aircraft for the performance of their office."
I do believe it's mandated by law. The Republican congress passed it after 9/11, and Hastert had the same thing. Pelosi did offer to fly commercially, of course.
"It is mandated by law". Who writes the law? Congress!
This is just another self-inflating perk legislated for themselves by the legislators.
Let them fly commercial.
She offered to. Call up the Pentagon on her behalf if you like.
And what of the President? I mean, he could take commercial flights to all the places he goes as well. What a waste of tax payers money to have air force one,eh? No? What about the VP? He should fly coach everywhere to save some taxpayer money, right? Stop all of the horsesh*t and realize the woman is #3 in line right now. She damn well should be treated like it. She deserves the best protection this country can give her, just as the President and the VP deserve. This is what those who are in charge of security for her said she hsould do. Why on God's green earth should she not take their word for it? "Oh, no! You may be some sort of expert on these things, but I am a SENATOR! I know far better than you what type of security is needed!" YEAH RIGHT! HAHAHA!
NL207, did you use federally employed air traffic controllers on these flights you took?
And did you take planes conforming to federal safety guidelines ?
What are you a rock star? Quit wasting our tax money.
Everyone who travels by air uses the ATC's. They are a PUBLIC resource provided for PUBLIC use at a small fee. You compare this to a publicly funded private service available exclusively to a select few government officals. For your analogy to be correct, any private citizen should be given the right to use a government aircaft for the small fee that is charged per landing to use the ATC at most major airports.
Don't you just love having your il-logic destroyed lefty?
I couldn't tell you, but if you ever succeed in doing it, I'll let you know.Not a bad little dodge on your part, though.
I'm gonna defer to the duly-elected House Sergeant-at-Arms Wilson Livingood AND George W. Bush on this one. They BOTH said it is entirely right and proper for Pelosi to not only have a plane, but a 24-hour security detail.
What was that you were saying? I believe it was something funny...
Why would you defer to either of them on this point and not on Iraq?
Because THIS is a value judgement based on their expertise which they didnt have to LIE, distort and mislead to sell us. How do you like having your logic destroyed RIGHTY?
"...why Pelosi or any other Congressman or Senator requires a military aircraft.."
Hey, the Republicans started the practice so take that up with them. Although at first it seemed to me like an extravagance, the more I thought about it the more I thought it was a good idea for the Speaker of the House, the second in the line of presidential succession, to have access to such transportation... particularly considering the contingency of a national crisis which would require the Speaker to get back to Washington ASAP.
Also, I understand that the fleet of so-called luxury jets are already maintained for military brass. Nancy Pelosi did not request a jet that was tricked out with luxury amenities. They already exist and this is the type of thing they're used for... got it? If they need one with a bigger fuel tank to go cross-country then so be it. But the suggestion that Pelosi asked for all sorts of luxurious accomodations for herself and her entourage and supporters is pure fiction made up by a bunch of petty Republicans who knew that their constituency was stupid enough to belive the crap. Hannity even called it a "scandal". Lighten up,,, if the Speaker abuses the travel privileges afforded her office then nail her. But this is waaaay premature. I wonder if she's even flown on it yet.
For the same security reasons that Hastert got one. Speaker is second in line to the presidency according to the 22nd amendment. After 9/11 these things got beefed up.
Balderdash.
Unlike the chief executive, Pelosi is just one of 535 congressmen. The function of Congress is not destroyed if this individual is assasinated, dies of natural cauases, an act of God, accidentally or is rendered incapacitated by any of these causes, as Senator Tim Jiohnson has been by stroke. The surviving Congress will convene and immediately select a new speaker. The newly elected Speaker will immediately become the third successor to the Presidency.
One Congressman does not constitute the legislative branch. One President DOES constitute the executive branch, and even HE is not indispensible. I recall the assination of John F. Kennedy. Despite elimination of the Chief Executive, the government did not skip a beat. The stability of a representative republic is not and had best not be dependent on the life of a single man or woman.
Actually I am not in total disagreement with your overall point. I am not trying to make the case this is necessary, its a judgement call, its about security. I think actually you make a good argument. The Speaker is more than just one of 535 congressmen. The Speaker is the second or third most powerful politician in Washington depending on where you put the Chief of Staff but that isnt really relevant to your overall point. IF your point is she doesnt need a military jet, sure. I have no quarrel with that, niether did Hastert. 9/11 scared them. This isnt a big issue to me. If they think they need it fine. I someone is saying its a waste of taxpayer money, I am not saying they are wrong.
One President DOES constitute the executive branch...
The vice-president is part of the executive branch.
nice window on GOP thinking. their tent started the Iraq war and now, when they have to answert to the voters ( Nov 7, 2006 ) we are finding they avoid the issue by creating non existent issues, While they are trucking around with this, the insurgents are getting better at shooting down our helicopters. We spoke loudly last November .
We will see how loudly you speak if the Islamofascists prevail in this struggle.
Will you squawk when they once again cut off some kid's head with a butcher knife on video? Or is your arrogance and outrage merely limited to situations where people like them cannot get ready access to you, personally?
Yeah, that MIGHT be a valid point IF the war in Iraq had anything to do with extremist Islam, the term Islamofacism is just ludicrous. The extremism you speak of is certainly a threat and bad enough but it has nothing to do with the historical roots of facism. However since Iraq was the most SECULAR country in the Islamic Middle East you have no point. If the objective was to fight extremist Islamic militants then invading the most secular Islamic country in the region was insanity. It would have been a good reason in Afghanistan but ADD president Gump decided to fight a more profit friendly war in Iraq which pretty much destroys your whole attempt at a point
It appears that not too many hosts or Tv personalities state this story for what it is. Very rarely do any of them come back with the Sargeant at Arms version that Nancy Pelosi did not ask for this, he did. It appears that it must make better press calling this "Pelosi One" or high flying San Fransisco values, or Queen Bee, etc. Nowhere did I ever read or hear of Republicans, or even Democrats telling Hastert to fly commercial. But then this makes so much fun denigrating a woman when you want to turn the heat off of the fact that your own party can't stand to let the Senate discuss Iraq. Then everyone might find out just how little oversight there was and they indeed earned the name of rubberstampers for good reason.
You make a lot of ignorant assumptions. For one, that I must be a Republican.
Second, I do't care what an appointed government wonk in the house has to say about this. I do not want the government spending taxpayer's dollars to provide any private aircraft to any Congressman or Senator.
It is unfortunately a fact of life that some few members of The administration, such as the President, Vice President, Secretary of State and his immediate reports, Secretary of Defense and hios immediate reports, Head of the NSA and the Directors of the CIA and DIA, because of the extraordinarily sensitive materials they ofen have in their possession in the line duty, must be afforded private transportation on some, but not necessarily all, occassions. In fact, the ONLY one of these people I think we need always provide private transportation for is the President.
What happened to you? You didnt used to be so angry. You used to come in and make good points without the hostility and personal attacks. Now I am willing to trade flamewar barbs if thats what is going on but its disturbing to me to see you evolve from a very reasonable poster to an angry emotion based attacker
so pelosi riding in a military transport is unacceptable, but you just forgot to mention this when Hastert was doing it, too?
you're probably a busy person, like SCOOTER, stuff happens, and you just don't remember particular things. I have an idea...let's hire Ken Starr for 100 million dollars over the next 7 years to investigate this issue.
There is nothing to this story, except your bogus concern for fiscal frugality, which stands in stark contrast to the time Hastert spent on militarty a/c...and you never said "Boo.". I've read stories where he flew ppl for personal matters, too. The GOP have no legitimate complaint here that doesn't force them into extreme logical contortions...which they don't seem to mind.
Bush could take a Greyhound Bus, or have his own railroad car. We could protect him on that, too. The GOP say Bush is never on vacation anyways, right? The WH sort of travels with him anyway.
The Democrats are not that trivial, though, and for good reason. I'm glad to see that the GOP still haven't evolved.
You must have been responding to someone elses post. I agree. I dont care if they think they need the security I am willing to pay for it, I only said if their argument was it was wasteful I wouldnt argue. I also brought up Hastert in my first post on this thread
to NL207, yes, i just picked a spot in the middle...i agree with you
Since I haven't anything GOOD to say about Russert as a journalist, I will allow someone else to define (Should that be defame? Nah - defamation requires falsity, doesn't it?) him for me!
http://www.ajc.com/opinion/content/shared-blogs/ajc/luckovich/
Boehner was in rare form on MTP. He first said Pelosi was going to use this to chauffuer (sic) her family around the country. Then he said that it caused too much pollution.
Comedy gold!
NL207, if you are angry about taxpayer money being spent on ANYONE for ANY reason, please take it up with your congressperson. The RNC and their media sycophants/enablers spreading manure regarding a made up story to smear Pelosi is the point here. Sheesh. Get a clue.
Nancy Pelosi said she would gladly fly commercial. This story has been made up by discredited sources and made its' way through the right wing echo chamber. Please get better informed.
Bad advice, Juliajayne.
If NL207 gets more informed,it might understand the analogies others post to point out its weak arguments.
And then it might not post its victory dance posts, wherein it gloats about winning an argument that went right over its head.
Then what do we do for fun?
HBL,
Too true.