Myths and falsehoods about Hillary Rodham Clinton
On January 20, Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton (D-NY) announced the formation of her presidential exploratory committee. Yet despite the claim by conservative news outlets such as Fox News that the Washington press corps is "pulling for her," media reports and commentary are already rife with myths and falsehoods regarding her record, her motivations, and Americans' perceptions of her, as Media Matters for America documents below. Whether new or old, these erroneous claims reinforce the baseless and often demonstrably false characterizations of Clinton commonly perpetuated by the media -- that she is "calculating," "dishonest," "vicious," "ruthless," "unelectable," "unlikable," and even "unqualified."
Media frequently portray Clinton as "calculating" or overly ambitious, motivated by political considerations rather than conviction. These assertions are rarely accompanied by actual examples or support. For instance, on the January 29 edition of MSNBC's Hardball, Wall Street Journal national political editor John Harwood described Clinton as "very politically cautious and calculating." Similarly, Hardball host Chris Matthews has called her a "calculated politician." Conservative media figures have also joined in. On the January 31 edition of his nationally syndicated radio show, Rush Limbaugh said of Clinton's political tactics: "She'll lie. She'll change her mind. She'll say whatever she has to say." And in a February 1 column, National Review Online editor-at-large Jonah Goldberg claimed that "everyone understands that Clinton takes positions on issues based on political calculation."
In recent years, the media have also regularly described Clinton as repositioning herself to attract one set of voters or another. For instance, CNN has previously reported that there exist "two Senator Clintons" -- one that appeals to progressive Democrats and one that appeals to moderates.
This pervasive view of Clinton manifests itself in knee-jerk reactions to her actions, sometimes to the point of absurdity -- as in the case of Slate.com editor Jacob Weisberg, who analyzed the songs reportedly on her iPod and found that the playlist "suggests premeditation, if not actual poll-testing."
On the February 11 edition of NBC's Meet the Press, Washington Post media critic Howard Kurtz noted "the image that the many journalists have of Senator Clinton as being a kind of a cold and calculating and triangulating politician." In a February 5 post on his ABCNews.com weblog, ABC national correspondent Jake Tapper ridiculed this depiction of Clinton:
[Sen. Joseph R.] Biden [D-DE] shoots down the notion that he thinks Clinton is too calculating -- a meme that is emerging in this race, the notion that Clinton is a cool, calculating pol driven by a hunger for power. (As opposed to the other 300 politicians running for President, of course)
Following are examples of media claiming that Clinton has shifted her views on certain issues solely for political gain.
Clinton has moved to the center
One widespread characterization of Clinton is that of a presidential hopeful moderating her political and personal views in order to appeal to a broader swath of voters. On the January 22 edition of CNN Headline News' Glenn Beck, John Mercurio, senior editor of National Journal's "The Hotline," said: "[O]ver the past six years in the Senate, I think you've definitely seen her in a very calculated way move to the center." By contrast, in her column in the February 5 issue of Newsweek, Anna Quindlen identified this as one of the many myths that have surfaced regarding Clinton. "Today many of the contenders are enshrouded in the mists of myth," Quindlen wrote. "One is that Hillary Rodham Clinton is a flaming liberal ... It's laughable to talk about the senator moving toward the middle. She's been there for years."
Critics often cite Clinton's views on reproductive choice as an example of her repositioning. For instance, Chris Matthews has described Clinton as purportedly shifting her stance on abortion in a "transparent" effort to recover the so-called "values vote." He has also accused her of "trying to play it safe" on the issue by taking a "poll-tested path." Matthews has pointed to her assertion in a July 25, 2006, speech that abortion should be "safe, legal, and rare" as an example of her changing position on the issue. But far from representing a point of departure from earlier statements, Clinton's remarks in July were consistent with those she made in a January 22, 1999, speech. While first lady, she said: "But all too often, generally because of the loudest voices, the American people don't hear explained the efforts that we're engaged in to continue to work with people from all different walks of life to make abortion safe, legal, and rare."
Other media figures, such as Fox News congressional correspondent Major Garrett, have claimed that in a January 24, 2005, speech, Clinton "appeared to soften her historically hard-line defense of current abortion law by praising the role that religious faith has played in promoting teen abstinence." But while Clinton did praise religion and teen abstinence in the speech, she at no point backed away from her defense of abortion rights and even reiterated her support for keeping abortion legal. Referring to the Putting Prevention First Act (H.R. 4192), Clinton said: "It provides a roadmap to the destination of fewer unwanted pregnancies -- to the day when abortion is truly safe, legal, and rare."
Clinton has moved to the left
In contrast to those claiming that Clinton has moved to the center are media figures who suggest that she only recently became critical of the Iraq war to purportedly appeal to "anti-war Democrats." For instance, in a January 18 article, Washington Post chief political reporter Dan Balz wrote that Clinton is "continuing her steady evolution from one of the war's staunchest supporters to one of the administration's most prominent critics" -- an assertion later echoed by CNN. And a February 8 Wall Street Journal editorial asserted that "as Mrs. Clinton bids to win the Democratic Presidential nomination, she is taking a marked turn to the left. Pressured by other candidates and by her party's left wing, she is walking back her hawkish statements and is now all but part of the antiwar camp."
But the claim that Clinton was once one of the "staunchest" backers" of the Iraq war does not withstand scrutiny -- nor does the claim that her criticism of the war is recent. While Clinton did vote in favor of the 2002 resolution authorizing the use of force against Iraq, less than seven months after the war began, she expressed doubt about President Bush's leadership in the war, saying in an October 17, 2003, floor statement, that her "yes" vote for an $87 billion supplemental appropriation "was a vote for our troops, it was a vote for our mission. ... [I]t was not a vote for our national leadership." During the same statement, Clinton accused the Bush administration of having "gilded the lily" on pre-war Iraq intelligence at "the cost of perhaps not being able to take actions in the future that are necessary to our well-being and our interests because we may look like the nation or at the least the administration that cried wolf."
In a December 7, 2003, appearance on ABC's This Week, Clinton said of the Bush administration's handling of the war: "[T]here were a lot of miscalculation and, frankly, inept planning that we're now living with the consequences." She went on to say, "I regret the way the president has used the authority" given to him by Congress.
Further, on the August 29, 2004, edition of CNN's Late Edition with Wolf Blitzer, Clinton criticized the administration for taking the country to war on faulty premises. Referring to the Iraq war resolution -- which she voted for on October 10, 2002 -- Clinton said, "[I]f we had known then what we know now, there wouldn't have been a vote."
Clinton has refused to "come out against" the Iraq war
Some media figures have depicted Clinton as hesitant to oppose the war. For instance, on the February 8 edition of MSNBC's Hardball, host Chris Matthews said of Clinton, "I'm sick of what`s going on in Iraq. I wish she would come out against it." But as Bob Somerby noted on his blog, The Daily Howler, Clinton had clearly stated a week earlier that she would end the war if elected president. Indeed, in a February 2 speech, she said, "If we in Congress don't end this war before January 2009, as president, I will."
Further, Clinton co-sponsored and was one of 38 Democrats who voted in favor of a resolution by Democratic Sens. Carl Levin (MI) and Jack Reed (RI), introduced on June 19, 2006, calling on the Bush administration to begin withdrawing U.S. troops from Iraq by the end of 2006.
"DISHONEST"
Along with the media's frequent characterization of Clinton as calculating is their propensity to question her honesty. In a particularly absurd example, then-New York Times reporter Anne E. Kornblut suggested on January 16 that Clinton had faked a cell phone call in order to avoid speaking to reporters.
Following are other examples of media figures baselessly attempting to depict Clinton as having lied or deceived the public.
Clinton lied about why she voted for 2002 Iraq war resolution
In a January 31 column, New York Daily News columnist Michael Goodwin claimed that Clinton has "lied about her reasons for" supporting the 2002 resolution authorizing the use of force against Iraq. Goodwin highlighted Clinton's recent statements that Bush "said at the time he was going to the United Nations to put inspectors back into Iraq, to figure out whether they still had any WMD," and that he "took the authority that others and I gave him and he misused it." Asserting that this account is "not even within spitting distance of being true," Goodwin went on to claim that Clinton did not express any concern about the Bush administration's drive to war during the five months between the October 2002 vote and the March 2003 invasion. He noted that several members of Congress had "urged Bush to let weapons inspectors finish their work," adding that "Clinton was not recorded as being part of that effort."
In fact, during those five months, Clinton repeatedly expressed her support for further U.N. inspections. For instance, in a January 31, 2003, letter to then-Secretary of State Colin Powell, she wrote:
If our words about supporting UN inspectors have any meaning and if we truly want the United Nations to be effective, we must act to support the UN arms inspectors and act to unite the UN Security Council behind the use of U2 aircraft in Iraq ... Additionally if we are truly serious about supporting the UN inspections we should increase our intelligence support to the inspectors.
Further, a March 3, 2003, Associated Press article quoted Clinton stating that she would prefer further inspections over military action. "It is preferable that we do this in a peaceful manner through coercive inspection," Clinton said. The AP went on to report that she "said the Bush administration still had work to do at convincing the American public and the rest of the world that Hussein presented a real threat that might require military action."
Clinton moved up '08 announcement because of Obama
Following Clinton's January 20 presidential exploratory announcement, numerous media figures suggested that she had accelerated the announcement in reaction to that of Sen. Barack Obama (D-IL) four days earlier. But such claims ignored news accounts preceding Obama's entry into the race reporting that Clinton was expected to launch her presidential exploratory committee in January. Some media figures went so far as to portray Clinton as willfully covering up this purported change of plans. Chuck Todd, editor of National Journal's The Hotline, asserted that the allegation that Clinton changed her plans "certainly seems" to be true but her aides would "never admit" it.
Clinton taped her '08 announcement months ago
Some conservatives in the media -- including CNN Headline News host Glenn Beck, Fox News hosts Sean Hannity and Steve Doocy, and Limbaugh -- pointed to the green foliage in the background of Clinton's announcement video in order to suggest that she had shot it months earlier. This attempt to cast Clinton as dishonest about the timing of her decision to run for president disintegrated, however, as The Washington Post and others confirmed that Clinton had shot the video on January 18 at her Washington, D.C., home. Regarding the foliage specifically, the Post reported: "Sources familiar with the landscaping have identified those plants as small azaleas and nandina shrubs, still vibrant because of last month's unusually mild temperatures."
Clinton won't admit that her "evil men" comment was directed at her husband
Most recently, media figures have taken to speculating about whom Clinton was referring to when, in response to a January 28 question about her ability to deal with dictators, she jokingly answered, "And what in my background equips me to deal with evil and bad men?" The hypotheses regarding the "men" Clinton had in mind have ranged from former President Bill Clinton to Osama bin Laden to former independent counsel Kenneth Starr, and so on, as Media Matters has noted. But media figures have also accused her in this context of dishonesty. Indeed, on January 30, when asked by Pat Buchanan why the media had latched on to Clinton's joke, Chris Matthews answered: "Because she won't honestly admit what she does. ... [S]he won't admit that was a joke about Bill."
Clinton planted Spencer plastic surgery story
During Clinton's 2006 re-election campaign, MSNBC host Tucker Carlson suggested that the senator had planted a story about a purported smear of her in order to garner sympathy among New York voters. On October 23, the New York Daily News reported that former Yonkers Mayor John Spencer, Clinton's Republican opponent, had said Clinton "used to be ugly -- and speculates she got 'millions of dollars' in plastic surgery" -- a comment Spencer later denied having made. Following the publication of the Daily News story, Carlson claimed that it "almost seems like a plant" by the Clinton campaign, because "that's how she wins in every case, when people think she's wronged."
"VICIOUS" and "RUTHLESS"
The repeated characterization of Clinton as calculating is also accompanied by the media's tendency to portray her as vicious and ruthless. For instance, Matthews has described her as a "sort of Madame Defarge of the left." Media figures such as MSNBC host Don Imus and conservative radio host Jay Severin have bashed her as a "buck-toothed witch," "Satan," and "the devil." Rush Limbaugh has repeatedly suggested that Clinton had then-deputy White House counsel Vincent Foster murdered while she was first lady.
In concert with this characterization, many in the media have predicted that she will ruthlessly attack her fellow Democratic candidates in the 2008 presidential race. Most recently, Washington Post columnist Dana Milbank called Clinton's seat at Bush's January 23 State of the Union address the "perfect spot" because she sat directly behind Obama and "could have inserted the knife right there without even being detected."
Following are examples of media figures baselessly accusing Clinton of having either smeared her political opponents or viciously attacked a person or group of people for her own political advancement.
Clinton was behind madrassa smear against Obama
The concept of Clinton's no-holds-barred campaign strategy reached an apex following Obama's January 16 presidential exploratory announcement when a smear regarding his religious background circulated throughout the media. From Media Matters' recent examination of the manufactured scandal, which originated with a conservative website and was later debunked by CNN and others:
On January 17, InsightMag.com published an article claiming that "researchers connected to" Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton (D-NY) disclosed that Sen. Barack Obama (D-IL) "spent at least four years in a so-called Madrassa, or Muslim seminary, in Indonesia." The story claimed that "sources close to [a] background check," which was supposedly "conducted by researchers connected to Senator Clinton," said that "[t]he idea is to show Obama as deceptive." These "sources" also speculated that the "the specific Madrassa Mr. Obama attended" might have taught "a Wahhabi doctrine that denies the rights of non-Muslims." The InsightMag.com story also noted that in each of his two books, Obama "mentions but does not expand on his Muslim background." The article cited only anonymous sources. By January 19, the story had been picked up by conservative media figures and given prominent play on major television networks, such as CNN Headline News and Fox News.
Conservative efforts to raise questions about Obama's Muslim heritage had, in fact, begun days earlier. Indeed, on January 9 -- a week before the InsightMag.com article -- Chicago Tribune metro columnist Eric Zorn wrote on the Tribune's Change of Subject weblog, "The crazies are sending around an e-mail that attempts to establish that Barack Obama is actually a Muslim who masquerades as a Christian for political advantage." But following the publication of the InsightMag.com article, numerous right-wing media figures repeated the entirely unsubstantiated accusation that Clinton's campaign staff was responsible for spreading the madrassa allegation against Obama. Several Fox News hosts repeated the claim that Clinton had "outed Obama's madrassa past." Rush Limbaugh declared, "This is Hillary's team doing this." And conservative radio host Melanie Morgan asserted that Clinton "is going to try to derail the [Obama] train before it gets out of the station." As recently as January 30, Fox News political analyst Dick Morris persisted in leveling this baseless accusation.
Clinton leaked Obama drug story
The recent attempts to tie Clinton to the madrassa story recall an earlier suggestion by Hannity and conservative columnist Robert D. Novak that Clinton was behind a supposed "leak[]" to the press about Obama's admitted past drug use. But Obama himself disclosed that he had used drugs in his 1995 memoir, Dreams of My Father, as Media Matters noted.
Clinton is anti-Semitic
Numerous conservative media figures have in recent years advanced discredited accusations suggesting that Clinton is anti-Semitic. For instance, right-wing radio host Debbie Schlussel claimed that Clinton, during a trip to the West Bank in 1999, did not make "a peep" when Suha Arafat, wife of former Palestinian National Authority president Yasir Arafat, stated that Israelis "poison Palestinian water and air and cause cancer for them." In fact, an October 6, 2000, New York Times article reported that Clinton disavowed Arafat's remarks after receiving an official translation "hours later."
More recently, conservative radio host Dennis Prager revived the allegation that Clinton made "private remarks that were anti-Semitic" more than three decades ago. But these allegations were originally advanced by former President Bill Clinton's 1974 congressional campaign manager, who has reportedly "admitted to leveling charges 'without factual foundation' against the Clintons in the past." Moreover, Sen. Clinton biographer Gail Sheehy, author of Hillary's Choice (Random House, 1999), told the Associated Press that she did not include the accusation because the source was "only moderately reliable" and "kind of flaky," and because "even he didn't back it up."
"UNELECTABLE"
Perhaps the most frequent line of attack against Clinton's political prospects is the assertion that she is unelectable. Media figures have offered various rationales to support this claim -- that Democratic voters would never nominate her, that she could not win a general election, that female voters will not support her, that her association with former President Bill Clinton would prove too big a liability. But recent polling rebuts each of these arguments.
Clinton can't win the Democratic primary
A recent Newsweek article declared that Clinton's polling numbers "will need to change for Democratic primary voters -- now comfortable with assessing electability -- to move her way." But contrary to claims that Democratic voters are yet to "move her way," recent polls show her leading her potential primary opponents:
- A January 16-19 Washington Post/ABC News poll asked Democratic or Democratic-leaning respondents: "If the 2008 Democratic presidential primary or caucus in your state were being held today, and the candidates were: (Hillary Clinton, John Edwards, Barack Obama, John Kerry, Al Gore, Wesley Clark, Tom Vilsack, Bill Richardson, Joe Biden, Chris Dodd, Dennis Kucinich, or Mike Gravel), for whom would you vote?" Forty-one percent of respondents said they would vote for Clinton. Obama received the second-greatest amount of support, with 17 percent, followed by former Sen. John Edwards (NC) with 11 percent.
- A Time magazine poll released on January 25 found that Clinton led Obama among registered Democratic voters by a margin of 40 percent to 21 percent. Edwards came in third with 11 percent of Democratic respondents saying they would vote for him.
- A January 25-28 Gallup poll surveyed 504 Democratic and Democratic-leaning voters and found that 29 percent backed Clinton for the nomination, while 18 percent supported Obama, and 13 percent chose Edwards.
Clinton can't win the general election
On the December 29, 2006, edition of Hardball, Matthews claimed that Clinton would not "do so well" in "the center of the country, Ohio, Michigan, those kinds of states where people own guns and boats and have a certain attitude towards modern women." But recent polls conducted in both Ohio and Michigan found that Clinton leads in head-to-head matchups with the current Republican front-runners:
- A Quinnipiac University poll released January 30 found that, among Ohio voters, Clinton leads Arizona Sen. John McCain (46 percent to 42 percent), former New York City Mayor Rudy Giuliani (46 percent to 43 percent), and former Massachusetts Gov. Mitt Romney (52 percent to 31 percent).
- A Detroit Free Press poll released February 3 found that, among Michigan voters, Clinton leads McCain (46 percent to 43 percent) and Giuliani (46 percent to 42 percent).
Further undermining claims that Clinton could not win the general election are several recent polls showing her beating potential Republican opponents at the national level:
- The January 16-19 Post/ABC poll also found Clinton outpolling McCain (50 percent to 45 percent) and Giuliani (49 percent to 47 percent).
- A Newsweek poll conducted January 24-25, showed Clinton outpolling McCain (50 percent to 44 percent), Giuliani (49 percent to 46 percent), and Romney (56 percent to 37 percent).
Clinton can't win because of ambivalent female voters
In a January 28 Post opinion article, retired women's studies professor Linda Hirshman suggested that because "white, married women" are generally less engaged in politics than men -- and, thus, often consult their husbands when deciding on their vote -- they may not strongly support Clinton's candidacy. But recent polls appear to undermine Hirshman's theory, showing that Clinton currently derives much of her support from female voters:
- The Post/ABC poll found that "Clinton receives significantly higher support among women than men." Indeed, 49 percent of the Democratic or Democratic-leaning women surveyed said they would vote for Clinton over 12 other potential candidates from her party, while 29 percent of men supported her.
- An American Research Group (ARG) poll released February 3 found that, among females likely to vote Democratic in the 2008 Iowa caucus, 56 percent would support Clinton. As ARG president Richard Bennet said on the February 5 edition of MSNBC's Tucker, "[S]he owns the women's vote at the moment."
Clinton can't win because of her husband
Some in the media have suggested that Sen. Clinton's association with her husband, Bill Clinton, may represent a liability as she vies for the White House. For instance a December 17, 2006, Washington Post article reported that the former president "could be a massive and messy distraction" on the campaign trail. But as Media Matters noted, the Post offered no concrete evidence that he is anything but an asset to his wife. Moreover, a May 2006 Post/ABC poll found that a strong majority -- 60 percent -- of Americans think Bill Clinton has "about the right amount" of political influence on Hillary Clinton, while just 9 percent thought he has too much influence. The same poll found that 47 percent of respondents stated that the way Sen. Clinton handled the Monica Lewinsky controversy had "not much impact" on their level of respect for her, and 34 percent respected her more for her handling of the situation.
"UNLIKABLE"
Conservative media figures are not shy in expressing their negative feelings toward Clinton. Time blogger Andrew Sullivan recently referred to her "cootie vibes" and declared, "I just can't stand her." MSNBC host Joe Scarborough described her as "very shrill." Glenn Beck previously labeled her the "Antichrist." But the expression of such views is not limited to conservatives. The Hotline's blog, On Call, posted excerpts from speeches by several Democratic hopefuls at the Democratic National Committee winter meeting. But, while Clinton was by no means the only speaker to raise her voice, she was the only one described by On Call as striking a "discordant note."
Many in the media believe that most Americans -- including many Democrats -- also harbor unfavorable opinions of her. For instance, Weekly Standard executive editor Fred Barnes claimed on the December 9 edition of Fox News' The Beltway Boys that, in the eyes of the "Democratic hordes," Clinton is "not very likable." And San Francisco Chronicle columnist Debra Saunders said on the January 28 edition of CNN's Reliable Sources, "A lot of people don't think that she's very likable."
But recent polling data do not support these assumptions:
- The January 25 Time poll found that 58 percent of respondents viewed Clinton positively. The poll also found that more respondents would choose to have dinner with her than with any of the other 2008 presidential candidates. Indeed, 26 percent chose Clinton as a dinner companion, while 15 percent named Obama and 15 percent picked McCain.
- The recent Post/ABC poll similarly found that 54 percent of respondents had a favorable view of Clinton. (Nonetheless, media figures such as New York Times reporter Patrick Healy and National Public Radio's (NPR) Juan Williams misrepresented the poll results to claim that she received a favorability rating of 41 percent. Healy even reported that this figure had concerned "[s]everal New York and Hollywood donors.")
"UNQUALIFIED"
In discussing Clinton's presidential prospects, some media figures have baselessly called into question her qualifications for the job. Most common is the suggestion that Clinton could not have become a U.S. senator and a contender for the White House if it were not for her marriage to former President Bill Clinton. During a January 22 interview with Sen. Clinton, ABC News anchor Charles Gibson asked, "You are a strong, credible female candidate for president of the United States, and I mean no disrespect in this, but would you be in this position were it not for your husband?" Similarly, on the January 31 broadcast of his radio show, Limbaugh asserted, "She is not a brilliant woman. She's not the smartest woman in the world. She is a hack!" He went on to ask, "[I]f her name was Hillary Smith, would anybody be talking about her as a presidential candidate?"
Others, such as blogger Andrew Sullivan, have questioned whether Clinton possesses the political skills to win a presidential election. On the February 2 edition of NPR's The Diane Rehm Show, Sullivan asserted that when Clinton "gets up in front of an audience, by and large, she bombs. She is a terrible orator. She does not have her husband's capacity to wow a crowd. Up against Obama, it's almost excruciating how uncomfortable she is in public." Sullivan added: "I don't think she's a good public politician."
Recent polling, however, shows that Democrats have significant confidence in Clinton's abilities as both a candidate and a potential president:
- The January 31 Gallup poll found that 61 percent of Democratic and Democratic-leaning respondents picked Clinton over Obama and Edwards as the "most qualified to be president."
- Gallup also asked respondents to pick which of these three candidates would best handle the major issues facing the country. On nine of these 10 issues -- including health care, education, the economy, terrorism, and Iraq -- a plurality named Clinton as the most capable.
- A Fox News poll conducted January 30-31 found that when asked to choose which of seven potential Democratic and Republican candidates would be "toughest when it comes to terrorism," more respondents picked Clinton than any other.
Regarding her political abilities, the January 31 Gallup poll found that 57 percent of respondents thought Clinton would perform better than Edwards and Obama in debates. And 41 percent picked her as the best public speaker -- slightly less than Obama, whom 44 percent favored as an orator.
Claims that Clinton is not a capable candidate are also belied by the results of her two Senate victories in New York. In 2000, Clinton garnered 55 percent of the vote over her Republican opponent's 43 percent. And in 2006, Clinton made significant gains among New York voters, winning re-election with 67 percent of the vote and holding her GOP opponent to just 31 percent. Furthermore, Clinton's support was spread across the state, where she won in all but four counties, including many in the more conservative upstate region. As The New York Times reported on November 8, 2006, during her first term in the Senate, Clinton appeared to overcome New Yorkers' doubts about her abilities and intentions:
Six years ago, many voters, particularly upstate, were leery of her, and skeptical of what this woman from Arkansas, this former first lady with the outsized persona whose relationship with her husband had been the subject of endless scrutiny, wanted from New York.
After a full Senate term, even her opponents did not make an issue of her not being a native New Yorker. Her sizable victory reflected just how deftly Clinton had managed to balance her high profile with the day-to-day work of the Senate, winning the respect of even Republican colleagues who less than a decade ago were trying to impeach her husband, Bill Clinton.















Hate toward Senator Clinton
By the right wing is behind the MSM constant attacks toward her. Its also fear in a person who has been able to withstand the right wing hate machine for 8 years as first lady and now 6 plus years as a Senator. She wont stand for the hate from the right.
Matthews is the worst when it comes to his attacks on the Senator.
Last night, just after playing Hillary's public denouncement of her Iraq resolution vote in Oct. 2002, Matthews said something to the effect that he was shocked that she still supports the war.
I was, to say the least, flabbergasted.
Does Chris Matthews have the short term memory of a squirrel or is he just a hack?
You decide, America.
Good news on Hillary
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Thanks for the suggstion - I think. Link-hopping led me to these, which help place most of the troubling global conditions we face today in a historical perspective, the extremes of which we often forget, and this extreme being one of which I, and perhaps others, was shamefully unfamiliar.
Please see: http://digitaljournalist.org/issue0401/griffiths.htmland then: http://digitaljournalist.org/issue0401/pjg_thumbs.htmlI need lessons on the new posting site formatting. sorry.
Have you forgotten all of her hate speech including a anti semetic rant but that is supported by the far left
What are you talking about? You dont mean that 1974 episode where she allegedly called a Baptist a Jew Bast**ard do you? Man you wingnuts just repeat any lie as mindlessly as a Minah bird dont you?
time has changed doris's tune. here's her on the jan. 25 abc news.com "was hillary behind the obama smear?" thread: "i think it's still a valid question. was hillary behind the smear? she says no, why can't news organizations ask it? it's not like her people are not capable of smearing people". kinda speaks for itself, no?
Hate from the Right! It’s the left who won’t let conservatives speak at universities and who are trying to change this country into a Marxist Socialist nation! It’s Hillary and Bill and the Liberals who have put pornography in stores, on the Web in the movies! It’s liberals who say “Jesus Christ” in every movie with disdain and hatred for Christians.It is liberalism that is “PROGRESSIVLY” trying to change this country into a Marxist State. You Liberals just don’t get it? It’s you who have the vitriolic and vulgar web blogs. It’s you on the left who are the perverts and foul mouth anything goes who promote a sexually permissive society!It’s Liberals who say pedophiles’ “Are just misunderstood and had a bad childhood”! And then set them free!It’s your programs that have kept the African Americans in poverty! It’s you who have put millions of more autos on the highways and now children come home from school to an empty home.It’s Liberalism that says a innocent baby isn’t human and then rip it from the womb without concern for the women who have this procedure done!And then say that people who want to protect the baby are evil and hateful! How dare you!!!It’s Liberalism that believes there are no vices!It’s liberalism that teaches if it feels good? Do it!!It’s liberalism that has divided this country! Conservatives have principles set by God and haven’t veered from them!Liberals have principles set by “what feels good” set by “Humanist”!!It’s liberalism that has changed our once respectable culture into a godless undisciplined nation of young people and adults alike! It was at the DNC convention in 2000 that the conventioneers BOOED the Boy Scouts and Spit on the America flag and the Flag Bearers! Hate from the Right? Hardly!!!Give me a break lady; it’s you who are full of hate. Hatred of righteousness’ and virtue, AND COUNTRY!! Lady I could fill a library of what evil Liberalism has done to the world and America! How dare you blame the right for the evil Liberalism has brought upon this nation!
troll alert. don't waste the time.
Well, most of the comments yesterday and this a.m. on this post, including mine, may be rendered moot by Hillary lining up behind bush on connecting 9/11 to Iraq as justification for her Senate vote, which I previously thought I understood (as posted infra). See arriana and her link, as follows: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/arianna-huffington/team-hillarys-latest-exc_b_41155.html and http://americablog.blogspot.com/2007/02/dear-senator-clinton-we-all-lived.html
It's the typical smear that surfaces against Dem Presidential candidates.
The press took the RNC's bait in smearing Al Gore as some sort of crazy man.
It then took the Bush campaign's bait in trying to paint Kerry as some sort of flip-flopper, while ignoring Bush's decades of flip-flopping for political gain. Hell... he's even flip-flopped from "compassionate conservatism" to conducting one of the most polarizing presidencies in history!
Now, they are trying to portray Hillary as some type of cold, calculating demon... and twisting her record as much as they did Kerry's and Gore's.
Hopefully Clinton will wrestle the bull by the horns much better than her two presidential candidate predecessors.
Here we go with the Hilary love-fest again. A woman who's spent six years in the Senate and done NOTHING for the US people except pander to corporations and fund war crimes and suck up to AIPAC. Citing polls asked to a very ill-informed public hardly means that she is what people THINK she is. Her voting record shows her to be a corporofascist who sells out our liberties and morality to the monied elite. Co-sponsoring a NON-binding resolution about bringing troops home while voting FOR funding of the war and the promotion of many of the players involved in it....just proof that she's a liar and a con artist. I notice this article spends the LEAST amount of space on her actual voting record (only one vote mentioned) and all the rest on issues of "likability". More fluff to support a Senator with a war criminal voting record. Keep it up, MMFA, kiss up to Hillary. Ignore Feingold and Kucinich and the REAL liberal Democrats....just keep sucking up to the right wing Dems like Obama and Clinton. With this and all the mindless drivel about the Pelosi plane flap while people are dying daily in Iraq and Afghanistan and our rights are being crapped on here at home just shows you to be as shallow and insipid as the right-wing TV blowhards you claim to combat.
Just Say No to War Criminals. Just Say NO to Hillary.
Troops! Home! NOW!
Redking,
We are at opposite ends on most issues, I would suppose. However, I have much respect for those, such as yourself, who are unapologetically committed to their principles and put their values ahead of political party affiliation.
Red, admitted on the other blog w/ Solon that he would choose to live under Kim Jong-Il, Ahmadenijad, and Saddam over the likes of US, Israel, or UK.
So while he sticks to his guns, he's totally crazy.
Very well said Red.
I do not support every action by Hillary Clinton or any politician for that matter... However that doesn't mean I don't recognize the fact that certain individuals get a free pass by the media (John McCain, GW Bush) while other individuals have every though, idea, and motive analyzed to the point of absurdity. I hope this point isn't lost on you.
The General Accounting Office reported that Newt-Lott Congress spent $110,000,000 on Hearings and Investigations of the Clinton Administration
Congress held 13 hearings on WHITEWATER which was a very simple, clear, legal land deal. It was used as a PLATFORM from which to smear.
What did they get for that money? One--Read that again--ONE person in the Clinton administration was CONVICTED of a FELONY which was committed while WORKING For Clinton. OUCH! If anyone here knows another please inform me at cwswinney@netzero.net
When one talks of scandals just google search clarence swinney + Reagan scandals. A mess.
That's funny!! GWB gets a free pass by what media? What planet are you on?
Earth where Bush gets a free pass from the media no matter how many lies he tells, not matter how much of the Constitution he violates, no matter how often he screws the pooch. What planet do YOU live on?
Oh....,my mistake, I'm sorry.......... I thought I lived on the planet where verifiable facts and proof was the standard. I did'nt know I was on the angry (we think this way so it is true) planet....... And as a side note, Solon, do you scowl only when you post or all the time? You should read the posted comments on this site, most of them are really funny. Laugh at liitle. (hurry, someone call me a troll!!!)
I see your point but isn't the idea of running for president to win?
Feingold/Kucinich ticket wouldn't get 3 percent of the vote in the democratic primaries let alone the general election.
Why do you post?
why do you read?
Why do you breath?
To destroy liberalism and to promote truth, justice and the
American way.
You couldnt destroy a house of cards, you promote propaganda and waste precious oxygen and have as much chance of having any effect on liberalism as growing wings and flying to the moon
But truth and justice ARE liberalism. What you advocate does have a name....fascism.
"In both theory and practice, National Socialism is opposed to liberalism." --- Joseph Geobbels, 1936
You are quoting a propogandist?
At least he doesnt quote propagandists half as often as YOU do and gives them credit.
Solon thinks we would be better off under Kim Jong-Il, Ahmadenijad, and Saddam.
Just read the other blogs, this is not a lie. He is Crazy!!!
The point that quote makes is that Geobbels was very proud of being anti-liberal, too.
Hillary said you get two for one.
She wins you get another record like this one.
google search
clarence swinney + Praise Clinton
I like it. Just Say No To Hillary. (Nancy would.) Right on redking.
While this is an excellent piece, I'm afraid MMFA may have done a huge disservice to Senator Clinton.
They may have just handed the NEOCONosphere and the lazy, ball-chasing puppies of the MSM all the "research" they'll need to continue their attacks.
You can be sure that whenever you hear a telepromter-reader, pundit or "strategist" begin a discussion of Hillary with "It's been said that she...", you can find the material for their strawman above.
POLITICS...
I have been around long enough and have been around enough politicians in my life, both in public and in private, to have reached the unshakable conviction that ALL politicians, of whatever stripe, possess, to some degree or another, the negative characteristics that are ascribed to Hillary Clinton above. It's up to voters to determine where each politician's self-imposed line of integrity is drawn. And it's hard, sometimes almost impossible, considering how political campaigns are conducted on an advertising industry model, designed to inflate, exaggerate or conceal what the candidate is about. Then there is the negative counter-campaign of the opposition that must be contended with. Sometimes, the amount of distortion, twisting of facts and issues, and downright lying are staggering. But that's politics... and it's true to some extent about every campaign and every candidate. Hillary Clinton is no different.
However, I have not seen any compelling evidence to convince me that Hillary Clinton is any worse than other politicians... I'm not buying that she's the monster that she's being portrayed as. Honestly, for the very first time, I am beginning to consider and better understand the argument that part of the attacks on Hillary Clinton is because she is a woman. To be brief, some voters may actually want their (male) candidate to be a little bit of an "operator"... it's perceived as being able to get things done. But for a woman candidates all the negative things seem to magnified in such a way that she's regarded as a bitch. I don't profess to know why a woman candidate is treated differently, but those are my honest observations and opinions.
Irony,
I agree with you. Mrs. Clinton is most likely no more calculating, ruthless or anything else than any other candidate. Some are more honest than others, and some more states"man" like........but the other qualities are shared by many in all parties. Focus on Hillary's issues and vision and whether she wants to steer the country in a direction that you agree with or not. The other characteristics and personal stuff is meaningless.
Consider this, too..
Bill Clinton was villified because of his philandering... however it was actually his denial of it that got him into trouble. But in the end Clinton was given a pass for his sexual escapades... it was considered irrelevant to the performance of his presidential duties. He was, and still is, beloved by many, many people. But what if a married female President was caught having an affair with a young assistant? Do you think she'd be given the same sort of pass? I don't know... just wondering.
if she was a teacher, yes she would. Female president or senator I don't think so.
I will never understand how Slick Willie got away with playing around with an employee. NOW never said a word about it and no matter what he did it was ok. But then that is why he is Slick Willie. He cut welfare yet he is known as the first black president. He was accused of borderline rape or actual rape by multitudes of women yet he nearly always escaped unscathed. Love him or loathe him, he was a one-of-a-kind. Slickest politician I have ever seen in my lifetime.
Bill Clinton...?
Leather, chicks dig him... we could only be so fortunate, huh? ;>)
No kidding!! I wish I had that problem for a week!!
Only Wilt Chamberlain rivaled Slick Willie.
http://www.alamo-girl.com/0262.htm
And yet, Hillary was unaware?? Man, that Bill really is good.
Why do you post?
For the chicks.
"I will never understand how Slick Willie got away with playing around with an employee."
He was impeached over it. I don't think he got away with anything.
Leather, I voted for a PRESIDENT not a husband. If it were not for the right-wingers we would not know anymore about Bill sex life than we know about most CEO's sex life. Flowers and Jones are the type of women who sell themselves to anyone and for any amount of money.
The one thing that Clinton did was lie under oath but according to the right-wingers (Bush, Cheney, Scooter) it's ok to lie if it doesn't involve sex. So I think that I can say that lying under oath is ok by me since I think most people lie about sex. However I can only think of a few who would lie at the cost of so many many lives.
I don't know. Clinton got us in an undeclared war in Kosovo and gave missile technology to China which successfully launched a missile this year.
I don't believe Bush lied about the war in Iraq. Literally every nation and every democrat including Bill Clinton, Al Gore and John Kerry said Saddam had wmds.
If you want to complain on how the war was waged, I would be the first in line to question the strategy regarding the shift in power and the resulting insurgency.
and the u. n. inspectors, in iraq for two months before bush forced them out, went to every site we gave then and found nothing. repeat, nothing. and then bush lied and said that he had to invade because saddam "wouldn't let the inspectors in". you're so bedazzled by partisanship you can't even admit when you're lied to.
Leather, How many American lives were lost in Kosovo? How long did that war last? How many nations participated?
In the lead up to Iraq, Bush repeatedly implied to an American public that was still reeling from 911 that Iraq had something to do with 911. Cheney stated then and even NOW that their was a connection between Iraq and the Saudi born 911 hijackers.
You are right that Clinton thought that Iraq had wmd's BUT HE DID NOT INVADE! Bush Sr. who was already close to Baghdad DID NOT INVADE!
Both of these Presidents DID NOT INVADE IRAQ because they had the intelligence to see that when we invade a country were people have been oppressed for years that it would take an extreme effort to put the country back together again. There would be no MISSION ACCOMPLISHED sign hanging for a very long time.
The 9/11 - Iraq claims made by MMFA are so desperately weak it is pathetic. At that time no one knew for sure how much Saddam was involved with Al Quaeda but NO ONE not even Cheney said for certain there was a link. I have posted enough on this previously so I won't go on.
I think you are right in that we could have fought terrorism without invading Iraq, but much good has come out of it. Saddam is gone and Libya stopped its nuclear weapons program. We have a moral responsibility to finish the job and it is in our country's best interests to finish the job. Running from Al Quaeda now does nothing but make us weaker against them. There is nothing wrong with trying to win in Iraq. Why the Dems want to weaken our nation is beyond me. Whether you like it or not, it is still the right thing for us to do - finish the job.
It doesnt matter how much you've posted you STILL dont know what you are talking about.
http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2004/06/20040614-20.html
In Iraq, Saddam Hussein was in power...He had long established ties with al Qaeda.
Khadaffi had a nuclear weapons program like I have a win the lottery program. Khadaffi was also trying to end the sanctions and make peace back during the Clinton administration. You repeat the talking points, they are just garbage
That's it?
Saddam had long established ties to Al Quaeda.
That is the basis for your Saddam caused 9/11 allegation?
That is just pathetic.
Ah no here is what you said
At that time no one knew for sure how much Saddam was involved with Al Quaeda but NO ONE not even Cheney said for certain there was a link.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
So that was Cheney saying he had links to al Queda what is pathetic is your reading comprehension as for linking Saddam to 9/11 Cheney DID say Iraq was "the geographic center of those who wish to attack us, most recently on 9/11"
Are you going to try to tell me that isnt saying they were linked to 9/11? I mean you can try but we all know what is being said here
How many American lives are ENOUGH!
Do you realize how long the Israeli's and the Palestinians have been fighting. Do you realize how long Lebanon has been at war with Israel?
How many American lives are ENOUGH!
Actually, Clinton did want to invade Iraq. He sent both Albright and Cohen on a total of four trips to the region to drum up support for a full-blown invasion, but all the local governments told them "No way." This little fact never made it into the US media, though the BBC did cover all the diplomatic trips they made and the reasons why they made them.
The US media was too busy drooling over a sex scandal and doing celebrity fluff peices to bother informing us of this.
could you provide any evidence of that?
Just google Cohen +Albright +Iraq and you'll get article after article of them taking trips abroad seeking support to attack Iraq....again and again and again. They were just so eager to kill Iraqis. Any excuse they could think up was good enough to justify murder. While I may have exagerrated in saying they sought support for invasion, they did seek support to bomb as much as they pleased, all for no other reason than the targets were Iraqis.
Also, reading through all those old 1990's articles does give one a good idea that US foreign policy has always been murderous and evil towards the people of Iraq and that almost all of our politicians then (and now) seemed to enjoy finding reasons to bomb and kill them. The racism and pure evil inherent in this policy is very vivid.
The word "murder" comes from the old Anglo-Saxon word "mordor".
you exaggerate? no way. catch the sarcasm? you did say they went to "drum up support for a full blown invasion". if you want respect on here, you don't say things that are clearly untrue. opinion is fine.
My getting one thing wrong out of of hundreds right does not change the fact your beloved Bill and his crew of war criminals killed 1 million Iraqis and bombed the country for 8 straight years and engaged in acts of aggression without provocation in a racist killing spree. They did spend many days during many trips to the region asking for local permission to use their lands as bases to kill Iraqis from. Whether they did it with airstrikes or invasions is just a question of scale, the murder is still the same.
that's a pretty important thing to get wrong. it's not some minor point. you said "four times".
Why would you believe factual reality which has been PROVEN many times when its so much more fun to believe that delusional fantasy you made up in your head. Like Bush you believe the same thing on Wednesday you did on Monday no matter WHAT actually happened on Tuesday. Bush lied only blind devotion to ideological blindness can let anyone continue to say he didnt. Aluminum tubes, an IAEA report he pulled directly from his ass. He lied get over it.
"Slickest politician I have ever seen in my lifetime."
You don't know slick.
"Slick" is the supreme con-job/bait-and-switch Bush/Cheney pulled on the public, the press, and 3,000-plus American kids.
You don't know slick. "Slick" is the supreme con-job/bait-and-switch Bush/Cheney pulled on the public, the press, and 3,000-plus American kids. dave_chicago
Dave you & I normally agree on only a few things BUT on Iraq & Bush/Cheney we are in 100% agreement.
You summed it up perfectly, and I applaud your post. Brilliantly worded!
IRONY:
The smearmeisters of the Right have long known that certain charges can be made against ANY opponent.
That of being a "liar".
That of being a "flip-flopper".
That of being "ambitious" and thus "willing to do ANYTHING to win."
They make these charges against ANY opponent, and they need no evidence whatsoever to back up their claims. The rightwing attack hoards have learned that merely SAYING these things, repeatedly and in every format they control (which is MOST media), they set up a negative characterization of their opponent.
The harder thing to do would be to find a Democrat candidate in the last 40 years who was NOT accused of all three of the above, as part of the rightwing character assassination mechanism.
It's a given. It's been written generically, and it doesn't matter WHO the candidate is. ALL Democrats are to be portrayed as lying ambitious flip-floppers. That's the baseline.
Hey Tex... In my observation, Reoublican campaign tactics have gotten more and more vicious and, as Chris Matthews has frequently pointed out, Democrats "don't have the stomach" to do the same. I am not so naive as to think Democrats haven't engaged in mud-slinging politics but the Republicans truly are the masters of it, as demonstrated profoundly in what they did to John Kerry in 2004. I understand your point entirely... but it's just now sinking in for me what some have been saying about Hillary being especially targeted because she is a woman and I'm beginning to appreciate that possibility more. I think you are absolutely correct in your comments and certainly no one could have endured a more unfair campaign than what John Kerry did. But I'm beginning to think that there may be something to the notion that there may be something of a double standard in judging women candidates. Some people may like a male candidate because he's tough and conniving... but in a woman that would be considered negatives. Se what I'm getting at...?
Next the righties will be saying "Rodham" is a Muslim name.
I'm glad you chose to dispel some myths about Senator Clinton. Now, I hope you'll use the same title, and dispel myths about the other known Democratic candidates. Obama, Edwards, Kucinich, Biden and (with my fingers firmly crossed) even a "possible" candidate like Gore. Hillary deserved to be the first in your myth debunking, as the right-wing has saddled her with more baggage than the others. But they all have false rumors floating around about them. Thanks for all the great work you do!
i'll never understand why mmfa, moveon.org, and other liberal groups defend hillary clinton.
she IS cold, she IS calculating, and she is NOT in any way anti-war. hillary is against the war on iraq now because it's unpopular, but if public support for the war was over 50% she would still be claiming it was a good idea. in my opinion, the only reason these liberal groups defend her is because they know there's a good chance she'll be the nominee and are willing to put moral conviction aside if it means getting republicans out of the white house.
her position that she is against the war but supports her vote to authorize the war is intellectually dishonest, and if she is the democratic nominee i will be forced to vote 3rd party as i did in both 2000 and 2004. i'd vote for obama, edwards and maybe even bill richardson. but if hillary clinton ever becomes president, i couldn't be happy with myself knowing i voted to put her there.
-keith-
"...willing to put moral conviction aside if it means getting republicans out of the white house."
Pretty strong condemnation of liberals... Although Hillary Clinton would not be my first choice for the Democratic nomination, if the Prseidential election was between her and say, for example, either John McCain or Rudy Giuliani, my choice would clearly be Ms. Clinton because McCain and Giuliani have revealed themselves to be nothing more than common, garden variety politicians who are perfectly willing to compromise their previous positions for the sake of gaining the far right wing and religious vote. Regardless of my other opinions about Hillary Clinton I am certain that she will not sell us out to the far right wing elements of this country as so many Republican candidates are apparently wiling to do.
She already has sold us out. Just follow the money, look at the voting record. She's AIPAC's new Democrat of choice (Gore was in the 1990s). She's more loyal to Israel than she is to us.
Why are you defending her when there's far better souls out there to chose from? Just because she has the magic D behind her name does NOT make her a worthy character....her deeds show her to be of bad character and unworthy to be entrusted with any power.
"Why are you defending her when there's far better souls out there to chose from?"
Red, I've said before I'm not a particular fan of Hillary Clinton... she would not be my first choice for the Democratic nomination. But in the event she is the nominee I want to know whether she actually is the devil or someone I could live with. I know this, though, after Bush and the Iraq war, and the dirty way Republicans campaigned in 2004, I refuse to vote for any Republican nominee. I've always been a registered Democratic but I've voted across party lines over the years... not anymore.
link? Info? I'm sorry Red, I know you hate Hillary and there are things I don't like about her either, but don't go as low as the trolls on this blogg.
Don't make accusations, without the data to support it.
"As the top Democratic recipient of pro-Israel funds for the 2006 election cycle thus far, pocketing over $58,000 as of October 31 last year, Senator Clinton now has Iran in her cross-hairs."
http://www.counterpunch.org/frank01032006.html
"Calling Iran a danger to the U.S. and one of Israel's greatest threats, Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton said "no option can be taken off the table" when dealing with that nation."
http://www.alaskafreepress.com/msgboard/board/521
Here's a CNN article where she defends invading Iraq and voting for it, but whines that Bush didn't prepare to RULE Iraq well. It's hardly a condemnation of the invasion.
http://www.cnn.com/2004/ALLPOLITICS/04/21/iraq.hillary/
This woman is scum. Why defend her? You got Kucinich and Feingold and Conyers and McKinney and a host of other REAL liberal Democrats to choose from. You Democrats should be demanding Hillary step down from the presidential race and give way to someone who voted against the war in the first place.
"calculating," "dishonest," "vicious," "ruthless," "unelectable," "unlikable," and even "unqualified."
Ain't politics fun?
Most Americans probably made up their minds about Hillary long ago. They either love her or despise her, there's very little gray area here.
Now I know the retort here will be that Hillary has been vilified by the Right and that's why she is often viewed in such a negative light. Not gonna argue that's partly it...some have been thoroughly brainwashed by her detractors. HOWEVER, she's been in the public eye for some 16+ years and has had ample time to correct that image by her words & actions.
Most Republicans can't stand her. The Democrats seem divided. You can only blame so much of that on negative spin...
Jeter, you're right... and that's why it's all gonna shake out in the Democratic primaries. There are so many things that could happen in the primaries it's almost ridiculous to start speculating. If I were Hillary Clinton I'm not sure I'd want to be the front runner this early... it's easier for her to lose momentum than gain it. Just a guess but I'd keep my eye on John Edwards to move up into contention. I can't wait to see how they all handle themselves, particularly regarding the Iraq issue, in their primary campaigns. IMO, Hillary is far from a sure bet right now. In fact, I wouldn't bet on anyone right now.
Hey Irony,
I agree about Hillary, this is going to be a super extra long primary season and remaining the frontrunner could be difficult.
I'm not sold on any candidate yet, though I'm checking out both parties. Something I haven't done in awhile. While I admire Hillary for a slew of reasons, there are almost as many reasons I feel less than enthusiastic about her in the Oval Office. I do like Obama. But wonder if he's ready for the responsibility as leader of the free world. I'm not too impressed with Edwards, but willing to hear him out.
I'm really disappointed with the Republican side. Mostly their viewpoints on Iraq...McCain was my guy back in 2000...my opinion of him has hit the skids. Giuliani doesn't impress me...America's Mayor? Yeah whatever. And Romney was my Governor. The guy has impressive administration skills, but is one of those out of touch rich guys that hasn't got a real clue about those of us not pulling down at least 500 grand a year...plus he looks like a damn Ken doll ;-)
Others may jump in on both sides. Maybe even Gore?
I am looking forward to the months ahead. Hoping that when the dust settles we've got 2 strong candidates. Then I'll pick the one that can best clean up the mess that Bush made.
I am confused as usual. Many of the Conservative Mouthpieces, Limbaugh, Hannity, Coulter, etc., have been crying out for about a year that the best thing that could happen for the Republicans was that Sen. Clinton were the nominee for the Democratic Party. YET, on the other hand, they continuosly march out the FACTOR of HATRED and aim it directly at her. They are trying to convince the Democratic Party to torpedo her now and get her out of the race.
Am I confused or are they AFRAID, really AFRAID, that she may win? HELP Me......
How often do we hear ANY critical pieces (within the MSM) about GW Bush??? NONE. There is so much coddling and apologizing for this creep and his dastardly deeds... makes me sad.
Sorry... I didn't really mean to respond to your post per say... Got a little excited :p
I don't know. On the one hand Dick Morris says Hillary will be the next president. Then he promptly says he is out to stop her. Apparently he thinks she's the top dem candidate.
On the other hand, she is suppose to galvanize the right because she is a Wellesley liberal who hates god and cookie-baking moms. So I think you are correct that there are mixed symbols out there. If the right truly thinks Hillary guarantees them victory, then they should be laying low and sniping out her competition like Obama, Edwards, Biden et al.
"Am I confused or are they AFRAID..."
I think Hillary scares the living crap out of them! Look, we're not privy to all of the various polling that the parties do. My belief is that although Hillary does have a strong negative component there are probably at least some Republican polls that show Hillary Clinton beating the crap out of their best candidates.
Just imagine, for a moment... if George W Bush were a Democrat...instead of a Republican Oil Barron. You think he would've EVER been elected President of the United States? There is a clear discrepancy between how the two parties are treated by the press and how their popular opinion is molded. Hillary - like her or not - like all Democratic, candidates must work much, much harder to even get the message out... all the while wading through nonsense, the muck.
"W" doesn't even have a message. And, yet... he's put on a pedestal, like a hero. That's fair.
Thanks for setting me straight about Ms. Clinton's positions on the Iraq debacle. I was not aware she made any public remarks to the effect that the resolution was to use force if necessary, not a carte blanche to invade.
The fact remains that she, and the whole congress, was in a position to know that the whole justification for the invasion was probably made-up. Hell, I don't think that even the trolls who post here honestly believe Iraq was a threat to the US. But I don't think the label "war criminal" is particularly useful. Noam Chomski for president? Right.
I do believe that, while every politician fine-tunes his or her public positions regardless of personal belief, I think Hillary is more guilty than most. I have no proof of this, it's just my personal impression. I think part of this may be due to being a woman, precisely because of the amount of scrutiny she is bound to get, and is getting.
I also believe that, given the trimming of her positions, she has come down too cautiously on the war in view of what a fiasco it has turned out to be, and is in a corner from which it would be difficult to back-pedal. That, more than her gender, affects her "electibility". A solid Republican who is fed up with the war might cross party lines and vote for a Democrat, but not one who didn't oppose the war. I think Obama might have a better chance.
The attack style detailed here by MMFA was perfected in the early 90's and its success then makes Blumenthal's book, THE CLINTON WARS, a must read for everyone who feels put off by Hillary Clinton now. I find it difficult to understand folks continuing to call her a liar and inconsistent in her stance on Iraq. Naive? Yes, and for that she should be held accountable, along with Edwards who has recognized the political need to not explain, but denounce his own vote and early stance regarding Iraq. Kerry got the same treatment Hillary is, and like Edwards finally gave up trying to explain what to me was obvious: a vote authorizing force upon the exhaustion of diplomatic and political processes that were then continuing, cast even as the President was publicly stating that war "is a last resort" and that he was still pursuing diplomacy, is not a vote to go to war without doing the things the President was promising he was doing. It is, rather, a club, and Kerry specifically said that at the time and Clinton, as reflected in the MMFA analysis, was of like mind. Can we fault them for being naive or uninformed? Yes, and I do, but not for lying - that was a specialty of the Bush administration. I disagree with Jeter that everyone's mind is made up ... mine certainly isn't because there is still much to be learned in the next year about what the candidates will do as the global situation continues to change. And I agree with the post demanding equal time. MMFA is the only one to have done the job for Hillary. The other Democratic candidates have much to bring to the table, and should be protected in order to allow their message to be fairly presented, to help flesh out the party's platform as '08 approaches and to help the voting public be properly informed before a President is elected.
If she won't have sex and hates sports then I only have one question for her:
Does she cook?
I wouldn't vote for Senator Clinton but compared to the disasters waiting to happen in the Republican party she just might make it.
while clearly pulling for hillary and while exposing alledged claims of faulshoods by everyone else, they seam to also forget plenty about hillary. hillary and her husband will go down in history as the most brilliant politicians in america but a politician doesnt mean good leadership. it seams they have even blindsided media matters. to much to expose on hillary and just give me that chance. she's alot like bill, promise the world everything when the polls are on their side and when they're not, flip flop flip flop flip flop. not a leader in any way but rather an appeaser with a power hungry aggenda. i really get a kick out of media matters. it at least makes me laugh and allows for many comical conversations as to just how dangerous american media is. and i also like how you focused on foxnews. getting old folks!
The mainstream media does not only support Clinton they will support anyone who is far left the more ANTI AMERICAN the better.
It is a sad state of affairs when these people actually hate the land that gave them the right to lie everyday in the news.
Exactly right JOEL.....
When we needed a good sub for Bush they gave us a Catholic who's part Jewish. Now they want to give us Clinton, who's also part Jewish. And a Black guy for VP I suppose.
This may be to soften us up for a Gay-American. Then finally we get a Jew (Schumer?, Bloomberg?) and you can kiss your race goodbye.
Wow a few talking points, some racism, your bigotry is apparant, your logic non existant.
Oh my you certainly have raised the bar for delusional fantasies. Thats saying a lot considering the wingnuts we see here regularly. I always wonder about rightwing hatemongers that claim to love America when they so clearly hate Americans.
Solon...
Take the most extreme people on our side of the fence and contrast them with the extreme of the right wing... ours pale in comparison.
Not to mention they are a lot brighter. Who wants to see a debate between Weiner and Chomsky? Zinn and Hannity?
"Yet despite the claim by conservative news outlets such as Fox News"
Conservative news outlets? Shouldn't Media Matters at least try to be somewhat objective? I think that they should just report the facts rather than labeling Fox something that they reject. So much for this being a factual website. But then again, I knew that this sight was nothing more than Democratic propaganda.
Conservative news outlets? Shouldn't Media Matters at least try to be somewhat objective? I think that they should just report the facts rather than labeling Fox something that they reject. So much for this being a factual website. But then again, I knew that this sight was nothing more than Democratic propaganda.
And yet Rino Hunter, I'm guessing that you think CBS, CNN, and the NYTimes are liberally biased. 99% of those of us on this site think that Fox News is conservatively biased. Murdoch even admitted he tried to shape the agenda on the war in Iraq. So get over it.
Oh please you have to leave reality in a whole other Galaxy to pretend Fox isnt a conservative news station. You would have to be completely brain dead to take their fair and balanced schtick seriously
Sorry. Meant "site"
Hillary Clinton was instrumental in shredding the social safety net, however. And the Clinton administration made demonizing our poor "acceptable" to even the more progressive among us. There was almost a touch of concern about US poverty following Katrina, but that died out very quickly. America has shown no interest in examining the impact of the Clinton administration's repeal of welfare, not only on those families directly harmed, but the "rippling" impact of these policies on everything from wages to fundamental workers' rights and protections. The bulk of the money taken from the poor merely went into an incredible list of corporate tax breaks, "incentives", etc., and NOT into education and training---as the government falsely assured the public. The poor (at best) remain permanently locked into bottom wage jobs/no insurance jobs. Note that a good portion of these jobs are subsidized; that is, the employer can pay these people a fraction of the minimum wage, which is combined with a tiny government benefit, keeping the workers in poverty while benefiting corporations. We now, as a direct result of these policies, have the highest rate of infant mortality among modern nations, and the life expectancy of America's poor has deteriorated significantly, to Third World levels. Meanwhile, corporations have enjoyed a years-long string of record-breaking profits.
Yup, both parties are out to steal as much as they can and they certainly don't seem to care how many people they kill and maim in the process. It's time We The People took our country back. All we have to do is refuse to vote for them anymore.
Can one of you lefties tell me why liberal Maureen Dowd hates Barrack Obama? Is there some history here I don't know about?
Is she a Hillary supporter?? Why the hate -- it makes no sense to me.
She has written several hit pieces on his and today came out with another:
NY TIMES edit queen Maureen Dowd unloads on Barack Obama in her Wednesday filing.On the trail in Iowa, Dowd writes: "Obama's so slender his wedding band looked as if it was slipping off... there was a wariness in his dark eyes."When a reporter asked him Obama whether he'd had a heater in his podium during his announcement speech in subzero Springfield, Obama hesitated. Dowd slings: "He shot a look that said, 'Are you from PEOPLE magazine?' before conceding that, unlike Abe Lincoln, he'd had a heater."Dowd describes Obama as a "tad testy" as he was "traipsing around desolate stretches of snowy -- and extremely white -- Iowa."Obama had "moments of looking conflicted."Dowd claims that no fewer than three times last week, Obama got indignant about the beach-babe attention given to a shot of him in the Hawaiian surf."You've been reporting on how I look in a swimsuit," Obama lectured a reporter.Dowd snaps: "He poses for the cover of MEN'S VOGUE and then gets huffy when people don't treat him as Hannah Arendt."
I dont think Dowd likes or hates anyone. She is like one of those people who love the sound of their own voice except for her she loves the way her cleverness, and she is clever, turns into prose. I dont know of ANY real convictions she has other than writing facile observations. I dont think there isnt anyone she wouldnt skewer or praise depending on which she could turn into the more enjoyable and readable column.
"I don't know. Clinton got us in an undeclared war in Kosovo and gave missle technology to China which successfully launched a missle this year.
I don't believe Bush lied about the war in Iraq . . ." - Leatherhead
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Kosovo was a UN action, not an undeclared war . . . if you're worried about China lauching a missle against us, don't - why would they want to attack the nation that owes it all of its debt? And its not as though Clinton was the only president to give away technology: Bush gave some to India in exchange for . . . mangoes . . .
You don't believe bush lied about the war? So, you believe Saddam masterminded the 9-11 attacks {debunked}? You believe there were WMD's found in Iraq {debunked}? You believe Hussein had an active nuclear weapons development program {debunked}?
I gotta ask . . . do you still wait for the tooth fairy?
Kosovo wasn't UN....it was purely NATO. We assisted a TERRORIST organization, the KLA...they had bombed civilian targets inside Kosovo and Macedonia before NATO involvement. NATO lied about reasons for the war, like mass graves that were never found. Many of the real liberals like me see the Kosovo bombing spree as NATO's 50th Anniversary Party....with 8000 victims.
Remember CNN reporters standing at the borders asking the camera "Where are all the young men?", trying to intimate that there was wholesale slaughter of Kosovars....while the young men were waving at the cameras from the lines of refugees. CNN anchors wandering the refugee camps, determined to find anyone who would claim to have been raped by Serbian soldiers. I never saw a more shameless example of yellow journalism and war mongering until the buildup to the Iraq invasion.
It was NATO involvement in Kosovo that expanded and perpetuated a war that was practically over before they went a-bombing. It was a very sad state of affairs and I'm ashamed the US participated in it like we did. Our troops are still there and the situation with Kosovo still unresolved. It's technically still part of Serbia.
Can one of you lefties tell me why liberal Maureen Dowd hates Barrack Obama? Is there some history here I don't know about?....
-tinfoilhelmet
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Don't know, don't care. Try one of your wingnut sites. I'm sure they've got it all figured out, like they always do.
It's because real liberals know Obama is a "business as usual" politician who will not stand up to AIPAC or the corporate thugs who rule this country. He's another of them phony liberals that populate the Democrat Party.
where you in the group protesting Obama at the U. of Illinois?
>>>>Whether new or old, these erroneous claims reinforce the baseless and often demonstrably false characterizations of Clinton commonly perpetuated by the media -- that she is "calculating," "dishonest," "vicious," "ruthless," [...] "unlikable," and even "unqualified."
Do you think the Corporate Media concubines might be projecting...just a little bit....?
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Hillary could get by with something really awful. The liars have lied about her so long that I would just figure that they were lying one more time.
Hey all you einstein's! Did you forget POLARIZING
Media Matters has helped neutralize a broad effort to make Hillary into an anti Hillary. Fortunately, she has her strategy of bypassing the usual talking heads with direct access to the public via the internet or through group conversations in person. There's a rabid quality to the tone and word use in trying to disparage Hillary. She will handle this and show people that it won't work.
A good support of these facts, read Hillay's secret wars-2004, by Richard Poe.
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