Will media report how Giuliani is milking 9-11, "America's Mayor" image they helped create for massive PR, financial gain?
Since 2002, former New York City Mayor Rudy Giuliani (R) has traveled nationwide and around the world to deliver countless speeches on the topics of "leadership" and "crisis management" at business conferences, motivational seminars, fundraisers, and universities. In these addresses -- for which he charges a reported $100,000 apiece -- Giuliani regularly speaks at length about his first-hand experiences during the terrorist attacks of September 11, 2001. As Media Matters for America has noted, significant questions surround Giuliani's record on homeland security and public safety, including his performance during, before, and after the 9-11 attacks. Nonetheless, the media have routinely advanced the depiction of Giuliani as a "hero of 9/11" and "America's Mayor," bolstering his image and enhancing his credibility. Now, as he explores a run for the 2008 Republican presidential nomination, will the media properly scrutinize how Giuliani has capitalized on this image -- legitimate or not -- for substantial personal profit?
According to the Associated Press, in 2002, Giuliani's estimated income from the lecture circuit exceeded $8 million. This would indicate that he gave more than 80 speeches that year, assuming he consistently collected his reported $100,000 speaking fee. Various reports have indicated that Giuliani has maintained a similarly brisk schedule of speaking engagements in the years since, including an estimated 20 paid speeches since he announced his presidential exploratory committee on November 15, 2006. In a February 7 article, the Chicago Tribune detailed the luxurious treatment Giuliani requested from one of his hosts, a state university:
Since he left office, Giuliani has leveraged his image as "America's mayor" to his decided financial advantage and in ways that belie his man-of-the-people persona.
He commands $100,000 for a speech, not including expenses, which his star-struck clients are happily willing to pay. In one speech last year at Oklahoma State University, Giuliani requested and received travel on a private Gulfstream jet that cost the school $47,000 to operate. His visit essentially wiped out the student speakers annual fund.
Like other high-priced speakers in the private sector, Giuliani routinely travels in style. Besides the Gulfstream, which is a standard perk on the big-time speakers circuit, his contract calls for up to five hotel rooms for his entourage, including his own two-bedroom suite with a preferred balcony view and king-size bed, in the event of an overnight stay.
The Tribune further reported that Giuliani's contract for this address restricted "what questions he might be asked":
The Oklahoma contract also required a sedan and an SUV, restrictions on news coverage and control over whom Giuliani would meet, how he would be photographed and what questions he might be asked.
In 2006, Giuliani's speaking schedule showed no sign of slowing, including at least these speeches:
- 01/24/06: Keynote address, 7th Annual Six Sigma Summit, Miami Beach
- 02/22/06: Keynote address, 15th Annual Sir Dorab Tata Memorial Lecture, Mumbai, India
- 03/05/06: Keynote address, The JCK NYC Invitational, New York City
- 04/04/06: Keynote address, Richard J. Daley Urban Forum, Chicago
- 04/05/06: Keynote address, Investment Capital Conference, Los Angeles
- 04/12/06: Keynote address, The Financial Times Asian Financial Centres Summit, Seoul, South Korea
- 04/21/06: Keynote address, Ivey Builds Conference, London
- 04/25/06: Keynote address, Washington Metropolitan Area Corporate Counsel Association monthly luncheon, Washington, D.C.
- 04/26/06: Keynote address, Center for Practical Bioethics' Annual Dinner, Kansas City
- 05/2006: Keynote address, Third Annual Corporate Counsel Forum, New York City
- 05/04/06: Keynote address, Winnipeg City Summit, Winnipeg, Manitoba
- 05/07/06: Keynote address, 17th Annual Stainton Society Brunch, Atlantic City, New Jersey
- 05/10/06: Keynote address, RedPrairie's 9th Annual User Conference and Logistics Industry Summit, Tucson, Arizona
- 05/11/06: Keynote address, 26th Annual MAILCOM Global Conference and Exhibition, Atlantic City
- 05/12/06: Keynote address, Project Management Institute Mile Hi Chapter Symposium, Denver
- 05/21/06: Commencement address, Suffolk University Law School, Boston
- 05/22/06: Commencement address, Middlebury College, Vermont
- 05/22/06: Keynote address, Boston Business Hall of Fame Gala, Boston
- 06/02/06: Keynote address, Fifth Annual Employee Benefits Leadership Forum, White Sulphur Springs, West Virginia
- 06/05/06: Keynote address, Insurance Accounting & Systems Association Annual Conference, Boston
- 06/09/06: Keynote address, America's Health Insurance Plans Annual Meeting, San Diego
- 06/15/06: Keynote address, Greater Dallas Chamber Leadership Luncheon, Dallas
- 09/19/06: Keynote address, Walton County Chamber of Commerce 80th Anniversary Annual Meeting, Destin, Florida
- 09/20/06: Keynote address, World Affairs Council of Philadelphia Suburban West Speakers Series, Philadelphia
- 10/05/06: Keynote address, ISSA/INTERCLEAN USA 2006, Chicago
- 10/16/06: Keynote address, Institute for International Research, Warsaw, Poland
- 10/25/06: Speech, World Business Forum, Frankfurt, Germany
- 10/26/06: Speech, World Business Forum, Milan, Italy
- 11/11/06: Keynote address, 2006 Hospitality Leadership Forum, International Hotel/Motel & Restaurant Show, New York City
- 11/14/06: Keynote address, 2006 Global Leadership Forum, Vancouver, British Columbia
- 11/14/06: Keynote address, 2006 Global Leadership Forum, Edmonton, Canada
- 11/18/06: Keynote address, Hindustan Times Leadership Summit, New Delhi, India
Giuliani's current schedule indicates that he will continue to appear at such events in the future. Indeed, on January 31, he addressed the AFCEA/U.S. Naval Institute Warfare and Technologies Conference in San Diego, and on February 13, he gave the keynote address at the 40th World Ag Expo in Tulare, California. Further, he is scheduled to speak at the National Truck Equipment Association Annual Convention in Indianapolis in early March, as well as at the 19th Annual Buyouts Symposium East in New York City in April.
In advertising himself as a paid speaker, Giuliani emphasizes his first-hand experiences on September 11, 2001. Until recently, the Washington Speakers Bureau managed his speaking engagements. Its online description (via Google cache) of Giuliani depicted him as "someone who found himself on the frontlines of the War on Terror" and "helped lead New York -- and the U.S. -- out of the devastation that followed the attacks on 9-11." From the Washington Speakers Bureau biography of Giuliani:
Sharing with audiences the principles of leadership which he detailed in his book, Rudy Giuliani looks back at the important lessons he learned in a lifetime of public service and how he drew on those lessons to provide strength at a defining moment in America's history.
[...]
Perhaps there's no greater test of a leader or leadership skills than to lead during difficult times. It's during trying or complicated circumstances that people turn to leaders for direction, motivation and understanding - and studying their actions for guidance. Perhaps no one understands that better than Rudy Giuliani, who helped lead New York -- and the U.S. -- out of the devastation that followed the attacks on 9-11. Giuliani shares his strategies about leading during trying circumstances, providing audiences with unparalleled insights and compelling anecdotes to help them overcome unforeseen or unprecedented challenges -- and put them back on the path towards success.
[...]
As someone who found himself on the frontlines of the War on Terror, Giuliani understands the grave personal price already paid to maintain freedom.
In his speeches, Giuliani regularly describes his experiences on the day of the attacks. For instance, in his May 21, 2002, commencement address at Syracuse University, Giuliani depicted the scene near the World Trade Center on 9-11 as akin to "a nuclear holocaust" and referred to those who perished in the attacks, including "people that I love and care about and people I had seen 25 minutes before they died."
From the address:
GIULIANI: When I got out on the street, it was like being in a nuclear holocaust. It was cloudy, almost impossible to see and debris falling through the street. I was trying to communicate with people in New York City, to try to tell them to remain calm, that everything was being done that could be done and to evacuate to the north, because that's what the head of the fire department, who died about 20 minutes after I talked to him, told me to do, Chief Gansey.
[...]
GIULIANI: And immediately, even within 30 to 35 minutes of the collapse and extricating ourselves from a building, I began to get a sense of strength and optimism, that something was happening here that would overwhelm the ferociousness of this attack. And then later that day, as I thought about the enormity of the numbers of people that we had lost, including close friends of mine, and people that I love and care about and people I had seen 25 minutes before they died, as I was feeling the burden of that, I first saw a copy of a photograph that I know you've seen.
But it was the first time I really felt optimism and strength. And it was the photograph of the three firefighters who placed the American flag on top of six stories of fallen building. I knew what those firefighters were encountering. The flames there were 2,000 to 2,500 degrees Fahrenheit. The flames were going on below them, and they were standing six stories above, and they raised the American flag, and it said to me right there emotionally that there's nothing stronger than the spirit of a free people.
Giuliani similarly evoked his personal experiences on 9-11 several years later in a May 22, 2005, commencement address at Middlebury College:
GIULIANI: But when I got to the site of the World Trade Center, and I got below the North Tower at the fire department command post, and the police were telling me to look up because debris was falling down, I realized in one particular moment that what I was watching was not debris falling down, but a man who was throwing himself out of the 101st, 102nd floor because he wanted to escape the awful flames.
And I stopped and froze and watched it, and my emotions and my intellect just changed. I said to myself, this is way beyond anything that we've ever faced before. It is much worse, and we're not prepared for this, and we don't have a plan for it. And I said that to my police commissioner and the other people that were there with me.
And then we just had to respond. We couldn't think that very long, so we had to ask for air support, ask for fighter jets to protect the city because we thought we'd be attacked again by air. We had to deploy the police to different parts of the city that we thought would be the next ones to be attacked by suicide bombers. We had to close down the bridges and the tunnels. We had to set up evacuation routes. We had to triage the hospitals. We had to bring in generators to light up Ground Zero.
While transcripts of the numerous addresses Giuliani has given to private conferences and institutions are generally not available, reports of these speeches suggest that his September 11, 2001, anecdotes are a consistent feature.
From a July 16, 2005, Palm Beach Post article on Giuliani's keynote address a day earlier at the Southeast Building Conference:
Speaking without notes for 45 minutes and forgoing the speaker's podium, Giuliani admitted he was afraid when he arrived at the World Trade Center the day of the terrorist attacks. His city had at least 25 different plans to deal with fires, bombs and power outages, but none to handle a catastrophe of such unthinkable horror.
"We didn't have a plan for airplanes being used as missiles attacking our buildings," he said.
He didn't even realize the scope of the human tragedy that had befallen his city.
"I didn't know how bad the damage really was until I arrived at the base of the north tower and saw a man throw himself out of the 102nd floor," Giuliani said.
"I turned to the police commissioner and said 'This is off the charts. We have to come up with a plan quickly.' "
He and his team did just that, and so can you, Giuliani said, outlining principles of leadership.
"The most important is to have strong beliefs," he said. "You have to know what you believe if you're going to lead other people. You can't make decisions based on public opinion."
From an October 6, 2005, Washington Times article on a keynote address Giuliani delivered at a conference on identity theft in Washington, D.C.:
He said when he arrived at ground zero on September 11, 2001, after terrorists rammed hijacked airplanes into the World Trade Center, he told a police officer who accompanied him, "We have no plans for this."
Instead, New York City officials improvised with parts of other disaster plans for fires, subway derailments and chemical attacks to figure out a response, he said.
The lesson for the financial security industry is that, "Success comes about because of relentless preparation," said Mr. Giuliani, now the chief executive of Giuliani & Partners, a consulting firm that has a security division.
About 10 percent of U.S. consumers believe they have been victims of identity theft, according to a report from McLean-based credit-card issuer CapitalOne.
Debit and ATM card theft alone cost U.S. consumers $2.75 billion in the year prior to May 2005, with an average loss of $900, according to a study released in August by information technology firm Gartner Inc.














The Onion, like The Daily Show, has already weighed in...
"Guiliani to Run for President of 9/11"
[link to www.theonion.com]
While I don't see the big deal here - there are plenty of ex-pols who do this same thing, it just so happens that he was mayor on 9-11 and that's his hook. Let's just hope he wins the nomination so the rapture wackos will stay home and the Edwards/Obama ticket wins.
Bitter sour grapes on full display here........how ridiculous. If Rudy can get big bucks for speaking, and groups are willing to pay it - so what? It's their business. Many others demand similar fees for speaking engagements, this is nothing new or shocking. You don't like Rudy, fine......but challenge him on issues and the positions he holds, not this jealous silliness.
Jealous silliness?
Who's jealous? Guilliani's got one trick and this is it. MMFA is pointing out the obvious.
Why else stomp up and down whining about what amount of money someone else makes? Cry babies.
Stoming up and down is a judgement call (yours). I think it's interesting to know the details. Guilliani's a sham. This is further proof.
Rudy's claim to fame is that he just happened to be the mayor on 9/11. He did nothing out of the ordinary. He's no hero. There are books written about how incompetent he was during this time.
That said, I personally think that during the scramble and confusion that day, that his mistakes were minor given the circumstances. But hero? Not!
I do not have an issue with these questions being asked, they are legitimate. I do think Rudy will become a non issue, he is not qualified (allthough looking back at Bush maybe he would be an imporvement). I am also interested in the Obama supporters smear of Senator Clinton, I hope the media digs deep into that. It is still so early that I believe all of this will be discussed by the media. After all we do have the media to thank for finding out the disgusting conditions at Walter Reed.
Weak. Claiming that someone who has achieved a level of fame from media coverage has...*gasp*...leveraged it for his personal benefit. Why is MM not "investingating" Bill Clinton for any speeches or books that leverage his tenure as President? This is a non-issue whether the person is a Republican or a Democrat.
Interesting. So you are saying some things should be hidden away and not discussed? What else do you and tommy think is just too much for the 'great unwashed' you want to protect from information?
Clinton's lucrative speaking engagements have been discussed in the media much more than Guiliani's. Double standard.
Media Matters is absolutely, unequivocally right for asking this question. The "America" that this supposed "Mayor" is mayor-of needs to know that Rudy is reaping a windfall (in addition to examining him on the issues). Perhaps he and George & Dick have a bet to see who can exploit the words "September Eleventh" the most and the longest.
The right-wingnuts will of course want everybody to move-along quietly and ignore this entire matter, so that The Mayor can continue to rake-in the Big $$.
And some left wingnuts are incapable of arguing substance and issues so they would rather stick their noses in Rudy's earning capacity instead.
I've been lurking for a while and have noticed how funny you are when you whine and moan and fling insults and innuendos at the walls and then accuse others of not arguing (not debate we see, but you do seem to enjoy arguing for the sake of argument, not an attractive quality) substance and facts. LOL!
Just imagine if this were Al Gore or Hillary Clinton. Conservatives would be screaming at the top of their lungs about how they were exploiting the victims of 9/11 for financial gain.
Conservatives don't scream about free markets, that would be some lazy liberals.
Tommy, you are 100 percent correct. Nobody is forcing anyone to have Giuliani speak to their group. People want to hear what he has to say! People choose to have him speak.
A weak posting by MMFA, IMHO.
Thank you.
I think you guys miss the point somewhat. It's not about free-market or the suspicion that Guilliani's forcing anything. He' perpetually touted by the MSM and right-wing media as a 'hero', 'America's Mayor', etc... There's no evidence for any of it. He did what any normal person would do on that day... walk around in a daze with a bullhorn. Does that make him a good candidate for President?
- He did what any normal person would do on that day
How about Ray Nagin...is he a normal person?Not a fan of his either. And, irrelevant to the current discussion.
I suppose there's a difference between a terrorist attack and a massive scale natural disaster.
And if the Federal Government had poured half of the resources into New Orleans it did into NYCity after 9/11 Nagin might be running for President even though he isnt any more credible than Guiliani
They sure like to scream about other people politicizing 9/11. And they turn around and exploit it politically and/or financially every chance they get.
they sure have whined and moaned (almost as much as you do on this board) about Al's movie. Oops, those nasty left-leaning facts again!
No. heartless conservatives scream about feeding hungry children. My but isnt it easy to just frame partisan nonsense out of baseless assertions? Its so fun and so much easier than making AN ACTUAL POINT.
"Just imagine if this were Al Gore or Hillary Clinton. Conservatives would be screaming at the top of their lungs about how they were exploiting the victims of 9/11 for financial gain."
Oh yeah.
This whole $peaking-fee deal The Mayor has set up for himself just looks real, real bad. You'll be able to tell just how bad by the amount of pushback from the right.... the more "who cares?" and the "nothing-to-see-heres", the more embarassed about it that they are.
If you have some sort of proof that this "looks real bad", then show us. Otherwise, you are just whining. (again)
That was a pretty odd post. You cannot necessarily prove opinions.
"real, real bad"... another judgement call. Ultimately, doesn't matter... but, since no one else will be talking about the gory details (except a site like MMFA)... I say, good! We should know. We should know about Obama's and Hillary's goings-on too. But, don't worry... FOX, CNN, MSNBC, etc... will fill us in soon enough.
Guilliani's a one-trick-pony. This'll help sink him faster. "America's Mayor"... please.
Real real bad is not a judgement call. It's a baseless inuendo put forth to create suspicion, without proof. You call that a judgement call, I call it typical.
Whatever. It is a judgement call based upon the above information. You can call it what you like.
Actually, it's a subjective statement of opinion. This makes it, by your own assertions, an undebatable matter that is the fault of the victim.
"real, real bad"... another judgement call."
I submit to you the evidence of 'no, no-this isn't an issue worth discussing" comments you are already getting. If it weren't real, real bad, you'd be getting zero opposition.
There's no upside at all to Mr. Mayor cashing-in like this--unless he is giving a substantial amount of his speaking fee earnings to 9/11-related charities.
Oh please, the reason this is getting opposition from my viewpoint is pretty obvious, even for you. It has nothing to do with the ethics of it, it has everything to do with the politics of it.
I think Guilliani stinks on ice. But, I concede somewhat to Tommy's point... this is typical. I'm not really that angered by it. This is all Guilliani's got. He's milking it.
Greek,
The point is Guiliani will never be able to get elected President, or even get the nomination, based on 9/11. He will get it based on his positions on issues, among other factors, but not 9/11. He can command big bucks speaking and that is fine.......but it won't help him get elected, in my opinion.
But, that's his bit. He rides that like nothing else! Without it, he's a former mayor with high aspirations. That's the point...I think. And, you're correct. He won't get elected.
I didn't say he won't get elected at all. I said he will need a whole lot more than 9/11 to do it. His competition among Republicans is pretty weak, in my opinion. Who knows?
"He will get it based on his positions on issues, among other factors, but not 9/11."
I know... I was taking your logic one step further. Too much baggage, too little subtance. He prob won't get the nomination. Then again, a .500 team in the NBA Eastern Conference is considered 'a good team'... weak competition, as you say, plays a big role.
The question here is will the media report this? It is a question that MM rightly asks.
My point is not so much the ethics of cashing-in on a tragedy, as it is that reporting Rudy's speaking income to the world will cause The Mayor to look real, real bad. There's no upside that I can see to making millions off an indirect relationship to 9/11 (unless you're giving the $ away). If the media doesn't report Rudy's earnings, then it will beg the question 'why not'? Because it looks real bad for "America's Mayor"? Ruins the image that the media is complicit in having established?
Just imagine if this were Al Gore or Hillary Clinton. Conservatives would be screaming at the top of their lungs about how they were exploiting the victims of 9/11 for financial gain....by clams casino
You might be correct. And the Democratic/Liberal posters here would likely be defending their right to accept speaking engagements for financial gain. And claiming no one was "milking" 9/11.
This is ALL politics.
What seems right or wrong is often in the minds of the PARTISAN beholder.
Who cares how much money he is making unless someone is jealous? Is he doing anything illegal or unethical? Yes, I would want to know his full, open stand on the issues, but I could not care less how many paid speeches he has made. As I said above, if the left starts crying over how Bill Clinton reaped speaking fees and book royalties by talking about his time of public service as President, I would take this baseless challenge to Giulani more seriously.
There's a full year yet to report the doings, behavior, character, and performance of Rudy, both prior to 9/11, and in its aftermath.
Without doubt, some of the things Rudy did as Mayor of New York during a disaster recovery were laudable. Other things ... not so much.
Of course, Rudy's public perception on 9/10 is vitally important, because it reflects his performance up to the time of the disaster. His "normal" leadership will be scrutinized, and the fact is, he was in deep political trouble before 9/11 rescued him, was his "salvation" ... just as was true for GW Bush.
It's the "American Way" to profit from the misfortune of others, so sayeth the rightwing soothsayers. "If you can make a buck, GREAT!" they say. So, of course, there is no concern on the right over Rudy's blatant profiteering, attempting to cash in on the bodies of his fellow countrymen.
Let him profit, but let the cold light of TRUTH fall on EVERY aspect of the man ... his personal life, his failed marriages, his adultery, his physical ailments, and the "popularity" he garnered (or, more importantly, FAILED to garner) prior to 9/11.
Let's have the FULL picture of the man, and we WILL. It's going to be a long year for Rudy's skeletons, of which there are many. My guess, he finds a way to drop out after a couple of months. He's a quitter, which he proved when he LAST faced the prospect of taking Hillary on "man to man."
How reprehensible, even for you Tex.......so his "physical ailments" are all part of the cold TRUTH that shall be shed on the man, part of his skeletons? Pathetic.
I think he phrased that part wrong, but I would be concerned if the president had major physical ailments. Not a handcap, but an ailment that can come back and potentially kill him.
I hope you did not over look the rest of Tex's point.
MONK:
Aren't rightwingers predictable? A candidate's physical condition is out of bounds, and the guy's seeking the highest office in the world. Health concerns are irrelevant? Laughable. Ludicrous.
Yet, these are the same guys who obsessed over and broadcast to the universe the presence of A STAIN ON A BLUE DRESS!
Do these guys even LISTEN to themselves? (If they did, we'd expect to hear "Did I say that? Oh, My God!" ... from a reasonable person. But then, they wouldn't be rightwingers.)
That's right Tex, go ahead and try to change what you meant and put it back on "rightwingers".......if that isn't predictable, I don't know what it is? Back up your statements or apologize. Once again, you can't go a single post without laying out another untruth. Quote me where I said a candidate's physical condition is out of bounds?
Shameful, but expected.
If that the case Tommy can you please clarify your issue with Tex's post. I seemed to have missed something. I didn't hae an issue with anything Tex said. (I am not trying to be patronizing.)
I have stated my opinion clearly.....please read Tex's post and my subsequent comments.
Quote me where I said a candidate's physical condition is out of bounds?
Well, you seemed to be implying that here:
So his "physical ailments" are all part of the cold TRUTH that shall be shed on the man, part of his skeletons? Pathetic.
That's why Monk asked you to clarify your comments. Your opinion is less than clear. Why did you call Tex's reference to physical ailments pathetic?
I have explained it plenty, look at the context of Tex's statements concerning Rudy's ailments. You are fine with it, cool. My opinions have been stated clearly, if not enough for you, then so be it.
Ok, Bunthorne.
Your posts are anything, but clear and you oddly refuse to set your argument straight. Your actions are really baffling sometimes, tommy.
"physical ailments"? Are we talking cancer or herpes...?
Many years ago there was a judge in the city where I lived who died of cancer. (You would instantly reecognize the judge's last name because the judge's son later became of very famous entertainer... but I will exercise discretion and not name the person.) Very reliable "rumor" had it that before running for re-election the judge had already been diagnosed with terminal cancer, and barring a miracle would certainly be dead within the year. Nevertheless, the judge's terminal cancer was not disclosed before the election. The judge won re-election and died not long afterwards.
"Coincidentally", the judge's pension, which was inherited by the family, was enhanced by the judge's re-election. The pension was greater because of the extra elected term, even though the judge only served a small portion of that etra term. The circumstances caused much speculation in some circles that the judge had purposely concealed the terminal cancer and run for re-election fully cognizant, or even with the possible intention, that the heirs to his pension would benefit from its enhancement.
Under the Giuliani situation we are obviously not talking about pensions... but I would certainly want to know if a Presidential candidate had a history of serious, and perhaps recurring, illness such as cancer. It would sure as hell make you consider the Vice-Presidential candidate more closely. How eould you have liked Dan Quale as President... or how about Dick Cheney?
So, sorry, Tommy... I agree with Tex, at least insofar as whether Giuliani has a potentially problematic medical history. In fact, didn't Giuliani once have prostate cancer...? Please correct me if that is incorrect...
Irony,
Read Tex's post again - he had physical ailments in the same grouping as failed marriages, adultery. And then want on to talk about his skeletons. He was not talking about his ailments in the context of full disclosure - he was linking them to his other skeletons, and that is reprehensible. Of course, a nominee's health is an important issue - but it is not akin to adultery or hidden skeletons as Tex phrased it.
I stand by my comments.......Tex was out of line.
I don't see why it was out of line. If these issues the Republicans choose to ignore, wouldn't the make them even bigger hypocrits. When i think about how they dragged Clinton through the mud and are the first to trumpet family values, should the same venom be directed at Rudy? Why are these things over the line when they are mentioned in the same breath?
If you want to drag Rudy's physical ailments through the mud, link them to his failed marriages and adultery - as Tex did, go ahead. I don't take any pleasure out of exploiting or shedding the COLD TRUTH and skeletons on a person's health problems.
Was he linking them or listing them? They are link, because they are part of the whole picture. What it make you feel better if he simply seperated the issue? Why do they need to be seperated? Is any of it a lie?
He gave it the same moral equivalence as adultery and failed marriages, and insinuated they were skeletons to be used to shed the truth on Guiliani. I stand by my opinions.
I stand by my opinions. - Tommy
Oh, well...that changes everything. I would have never guessed you were holding the trump card. You must be right and the rest of us must have a screw loose.
The sky is green and grass is blue. I stand by my opinion.
Your entitled opinion, thanks for sharing.
Who could possibly argue with that? I stand by my question.
No such insinuation, that is a lie. EVERY ASPECT OF THE MAN. Adult education, look into it especially reading comprehension, you look foolish
Oh bull tommy. Give up the false piety, here is what he said
Let him profit, but let the cold light of TRUTH fall on EVERY aspect of the man ... his personal life, his failed marriages, his adultery, his physical ailments,
EVERY ASPECT OF THE MAN. Now only on Planet Wingnut can you then claim there is something wrong with claiming his health is anything but another part of EVERY ASPECT of the man. Its only because you WANT to see it in the worst light you can even CLAIM that there is something nefarious here, that it means his health has to be connected with his adultery what part of EVERY ASPECT OF THE MAN are you incapable of understanding?
Everybody rushing to sacred Tex's defense except himself. Too bad. His words speak for themselves, no amount of ridiculous spinning by you and others can change that. Just accept it.
I think you are the one who is spinning. You are reading into Tex's words. Turning lists into links, assigning motives/mind-reading instead of asking Tex for clarification.
Oh darnit, you're right.......Tex needs a personal invitation from me to respond to his reprehensible comments about Rudy's health. All his good little ponies have come to his defense, but his comments remain as clear as they were before. If you are unwilling to see them for what they are, that's your business.
In fact, Tex did respond to MONK following my post, and did not clarify or defend what he said. So your post is another impotent one. You used to be much better than this.......what happened?
"You used to be much better than this.......what happened?" --tommy
I would have to say "back at you". Your increasing reliance on mindreading of other posters is troubling.
However...
There is no truth to the rumor that Mr.Giuliani attempted to obtain trademark rights to the name "9/11" not long after he left office. However, Karl Rove and the RNC did make inquiries regarding obtaining the trademark rights on behalf of the Republican Party shortly before to the 2004 Republican National Convention and were advised by their attorneys that "9/11" was already in the public domain. Sorry, Karl...
Irony, would you please provide a citation for the claim that Karl Rove and the RNC tried to trademark "9/11?" As much as I despise Rove, this sounds like it might be an urban legend. Thnx! :-)
Regarding Guiliani, I am a left-wing Democrat who was raised by a Communist and Socialist, and I do not think Guiliani is doing anything wrong by speaking. Don't you think he gets calls constantly to speak on topics such as leadership and terrorism? Should he say "no?" I'm sure a speaking career was not on his mind while he was trying to help NY and America on 9/11. He was my only comfort during those dark weeks -- and I lived in Seattle at the time!!. His behavior, even if it was only being visible and approachable and communicating with us, was immensely reassuring. He did the right thing in that regard, and I am very grateful to him.
Furthermore, his behavior stood in stark contrast to our Commander in Chief, who read a children's book and then ran and hid. Bush's absence was disturbing and frightening for me. I *do* strongly believe that Guiliani's actions demonstrated true leadership.
VAF... Sorry but I would even spend the night in jail with Judith Miller before revealing a source. (I wonder if Judith Miller got a tattoo while she was in the slammer) What's funny is that knowing how Rove operates there is actually a slight air of plausibility to Rove trying to trademark "9/11". I'll tell my source you enjoyed the strory... he's sitting right here... in my chair actually. ;>)
BTW, I agree generally with your comments about this piece... no big deal to me even if Giuliani is using his 9/11 fame as a springboard. I've seen a lot worse...
VAF: I'm sorry to hear that you grew up w/ a communist and socialist for parents.
I know this is off topic but, try reading Andrew Bernstein's book or read some of his works on the internet.
It'll make you feel a little better about capitalism.
I'm friends w/ a few socialists...it's interesting the views that they have...but most of it is based by a misunderstanding of capitalism.
I'm sure if Rudy gets the nomination somebody in the press will write about how profitably he's pimped his "heroism." It's probably a little early in the game to expect stories like that yet.
It would probably only become a real issue if Giuliani makes it past the Republican primaries and to the general election. The money worshipping portion of the Republican base won't have an issue with his selling his "image" They probably will perceive this as yet another Giuliani strength since making money rises to the level of some kind of religious experience for them. Every time they speak I hear the Ojay's "For the Love of Money" playing in the background. They should make that their anthem. This is the same kind of sentiment that led to exploiting Iraq for profit, not to mention the corruption that arose out of the already distasteful war profiteering.
Unlike the modest means of the Hollywood left and their million dollar fund raiser for Obama this week........money is the root of all their envy as well, don't kid yourself.
Missing the point...
As usual, Tommy. The issue isn't Rudy making a few bucks - well, actually more than a few. The issue is how he seems to be uncomfortable with answering questions:
"The Oklahoma contract also required a sedan and an SUV, restrictions on news coverage and control over whom Giuliani would meet, how he would be photographed and what questions he might be asked."
What is this guy afraid of? Maybe a few questions on why he was the most hated man in NYC on 9-10-01? Or why so many firefighters and police officers died on 9-11 because the Giuliani Administration didn't give them the equipment they needed?
I wonder if these speeches include any tips on how to cheat on your wife, or make her move out while moving in your mistress?
No, I did not miss the point. If those that wish to hire Mr. Guiliani for a speaking engagement don't want to adhere to such conditions, they don't have to. Take it or leave it, apparently. Nobody is holding a gun to anyone'e head. It's all out there for anyone to see and scrutinize and make their own judgement.
I think Tommy got up on the wrong side of MMFA this morning ;-)
Actually, I am usually on the right side......but thanks for caring.
Heh-heh. Another judgement call ;-)
No he seems to be more often than not on the "Right" side.
Yes... you have a point.
- will the media properly scrutinize how Giuliani has capitalized on this image -- legitimate or not -- for substantial personal profit? - mmfa
Newsday reports that mmfa has grown from a $3.5 million start-up in 2004 to its current $8.5 million budget. Has young Mr. Brock benefitted personally from his image as a liberal media watchdog...promoting this image through a "non-profit" organization?
Will the media properly scrutinize how Brock has capitalized on this image -- legitimate or not -- for substantial personal profit?
For those having fun jumping on Rudy's personal income...be careful.
False analogy.
Brock has been able to build up his profile by being a media watchdog.
Rudy has apparenlty turned the 9-11 national tragedy into his own personal cottage industry.
Apples and oranges.
I don't find his capitalizing on his status particularly relevant to...well much of anything. I don't find it to be revealing. It's not something on which I'd base my choice for President.
Of course, I also don't find the "America's Mayor" label relevant either...and I definitely wouldn't pay to hear him speak.
Yes, almost every ex-president has done this, Poppy Shrub made a few buckets of money doing it, and Clinton too, and Carter and i am sure Ford did as well. The thing is none of them have so closely tied themselves one single event that killed 3,000 or so people and is STILL killing people who worked the clean-up (having been lied to about the safety of the area, got to wonder at what if any role Rudy had with that too) and is a tramatice event for the whole nation. And Rudy blithly goes around holding it up and (in effect) shouting about how he is the HERO of that time. Not the firemen or police or random folks who helped, nope it is all Rudy all the time in his little world.
I wish that someone would pay me $100,000 to talk for an hour or so. That would pretty sweet right there. Old Rudy, I think as others have said, if someone is going to pay that price, then by all means take it. There isn't one person on here who wouldn't do the same thing.
Actually,, many principled people would donate (at least some of) the millions to the actual VICTIMS of 9/11, rather than admit to such blatant individual profiteeringat the expense of others. The article doesn't even get into his security "consulting" business which is providing him even more millions. Rudy's a pig. How many millions does he need for himself? These are not the actions of a "Man of the People" as MMFA has pointed out.
Do we know how much money he gives to charities every year? And to which charities that he donates? I'm sure, just like a lot of other people all around this country, Rudy donates some of his earned money to charities that he deems worthy, and even if he didn't, how can one fault him for that? He earned it didn't he? Can't he do with his money what he wishes to do with it? And I don't even like the guy, but methinks we're making a big deal out of how he makes his living when we should be talking about other things, such as how he stands on the major issues facing our nation. I don't care how he makes his money, as long as he's not doing anything illegal. And I couldn't possibly care less what he does with after he earns his paycheck.
This is why I've renamed Rudy: Rudy "Ghouliani"
Because only a Ghoul would exploit the deaths of 3,000+ of his own people in the craven way he has as outlined in this piece.
Truly shameless and a complete disgrace.
~Nyc Alberts
A Pen Warmed In Hell
What is it that is "unfair" about this issue? Kerry used his Vietnam service to elevate his position, politically, and even though he had repudiated his service and made a media circus by posturing about throwing his medals away, in the past.
One of the main points in this article is about how much money he is gathering due to his reputation as a strong leader and decisive politico. That's what the Left sees as "unfair" and since their party representatives are whining and wringing their collective hands over how poor Hillary is and how rich Obama is becoming! Carville was stuttering and couldn't seem to complete a sentence, he was so angry and irate.
It is ironic that Hillary, who has spun around for the eleventieth time, is being criticised for her position vis a vis Iraq while she is trying to indicate that she was "fooled" into voting for the war powers funding. I know it is "popular" to lie about WMD being a "lie," but there was no new intelligence from the time her husband left office up until the Iraq invasion started. Indeed, she claimed that her vote was sure and certain, at the time, because she had researched the information/intelligence herself and had the advice of her expert staff prior to casting her vote.
Yet, we don't see any corporate media source making those accurate observations . . . why not? Is there a leftwing bias working to suppress that sort of news?
Of course, newspapers have no requirement to be "fair" and since they have traditionally expressed their various political positions by selecting the news they print and the editorials they produce. Indeed, very few (even from the leftwing) are so brazen as to infer that the Washinton Post favors the rightwing, or the NY or LA Times. No, the reality of this site and others like it is to propagandize those media outlets which editorialize a rightwing philosophy. Or, to act as a goad to encourage media to criticise the rightwing, while they go easy on the left; e.g., to accept and compliment Kerry for his use of his heroic naval service to gain stature in the eyes of the public, but which this site (Media Matters) reviles Rudy Guiliani for doing in regards to his 9/11 experience, claiming it represents media bias.
An obvious strawman -- invented to demean a rightwing politician under the color of being "fair."
What does that say about the leftwing, eh? Inveterate lies and misdirections as a matter of policy -- the-ends-justify-the-means philosophy so famously practiced by Dr. Joseph Goebbles for the National Socialist German Workers Party (NAZI.) Will the People's Progressive Democratic Party have similar spokesperson's to manipulate the public . . .?
Oh. . . they already have them? For the last six years? From refusal to abide by the Democratic process in 2000, up to the present where the media promotes the goals of the leftwing: retreat from Iraq and allow terrorism to win. That will be a rather delicate alliance, since the goals of the Democrats and terrorists are in consonance, but when the Democrats win by losing, the terrorists win (PERIOD) and will continue to terrorize Iraq . . . then Afghanistan. . . then wherever they want to perform their human sacrifices to further their mission: One world under one religion and one law -- Islamic law which means death for drinking, unmarried sex, sodomy, homosexuality, women going in public uncovered . . . ad nauseam.
The Leftist/Democrat should be so proud of their four year long subversion of the peace in Iraq! Traitors for Votes! The People's Progressive Democratic Party uber alles -- Sieg Heil (Victory Welfare)
Nationalized medicine is right around that socialist corner . . .
Please try to keep your incoherent rants on topic.
Thanks.
This piece is completely over the top, it's an attempt to slam Giuliani by prefacing it with a question, "will the media report this". This is what inactive politicians do. Clinton does the same thing, although many organizations didn't want him because he was such an embarrassment. "It was just sex." No, it was just perjury. Articles like this make MM look like nothing more than a liberal squawk box instead of a reputable media watchdog.
Also, politicians do use their experiences to run for office. How about Kerry's incredibly forced opening line at the 2004 convention? "I'm John Kerry and I'm reporting for duty". He even saluted, it was ridiculous and he knew it- there's a noticeable grimace on his face.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/02/22/AR2007022202189.html
Bill Clinton made $40 million on the lecture circuit, 20% of which went into his pocket.
From the American Heritage Dictionary
Definition of “Hero”:
1. In mythology and legend, a man, often of divine ancestry, who is endowed with great courage and strength, celebrated for his bold exploits, and favored by the gods. 2. A person noted for feats of courage or nobility of purpose, especially one who has risked or sacrificed his or her life: soldiers and nurses who were heroes in an unpopular war.
Explain how walking in the ashes of 9/11 makes one a HERO?JWlakner asks, "<i>Explain how walking in the ashes of 9/11 makes one a HERO?</i>"
That's a tough one! I suppose it is the same sort of hyperbole as giving a Silver Star to someone who kills a wounded enemy soldier, rather than capturing them, alive. . .
Were you there?
IN MY MIND, RUDY WAS DOING HIS JOB. THE CITY OF NEW YORK SHOULD HAVE EXPECTED NO LESS THAN WHAT HIS PERFORMANCE WAS.
I READ AN ARTICLE RECENTLY THAT DECLARED DURING THE 1993 BOMBING OF THE TRADE CENTER THE POLICE AND FIREMEN HAD NO WAY TO COMMUNICATE WITH EACH OTHER. DURING THE ENSUING 8 YEARS RUDY WAS MAYOR AND DID NOTHING TO CORRECT THIS PROBLEM. AS A RESULT, THE POLICE HELIOCOPTERS WERE FLYING ABOVE THE TOWERS AND COULD SEE THAT THE TOWERS WERE COLLAPSING. THEY HAD NO WAY TO ADVISE THE FIREMEN AND, AS A RESULT, HUNDREDS OF THEM WERE CRUSHED WHEN THE TOWERS CAME DOWN. IF THIS IS ACCURATE, IT SEEMS TO ME THAT 8 YEARS WAS AMPLE TIME TO ESTABLISH A COMMUNICATION SYSTEM THAT WOULD ALLOW THE POLICE AND FIREMEN TO TALK TO EACH OTHER. PERHAPS HUNDREDS OF FIREMEN WOULD HAVE HAD TIME TO EVACUATE, OR NOT ENTER THE BUILDING.
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