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Jack Kelly column repeats "slow bleed" rhetoric, results of dismissed poll

February 26, 2007 7:46 pm ET

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In a February 25 column, Toledo Blade and Pittsburgh Post-Gazette national security writer Jack Kelly repeatedly suggested that Rep. John P. Murtha (D-PA) had "outlined" a "slow bleed" strategy for dealing with the administration on Iraq without noting that the term "slow bleed" was invented by the media, has been promoted by the Republican Party, and is not used by Democrats, as Media Matters for America has noted (here, here, here, and here). In the column, which bore the sub-headline, "A 'slow bleed' strategy to stop the surge probably would backfire on the Democrats," Kelly wrote:

So the Democrats may adopt what's been called the "slow bleed" strategy. Rep. Jack Murtha, D-Johnstown, outlined it last week in an interview with the left wing Web site MoveCongress.org. The strategy would be to impose, through amendments to the defense appropriations bill, so many restrictions on U.S. troops that the president's plan for a surge would be hamstrung.

There are, from the Democrats' perspective, two clever things about the "slow bleed" strategy.

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Let us set aside for the moment what the "slow bleed" strategy would say about the honesty and character of the Democratic leadership in Congress if it chooses to pursue it and focus on the wisdom, or lack of it, of making the sabotaging of the war effort foremost on the Democratic agenda.

As Media Matters noted, New Republic senior editor Ryan Lizza was apparently the first to use a version of the "slow bleed" construction to characterize the House Democratic leadership's reported strategy.

From Lizza's appearance on the February 13 edition of MSNBC's Scarborough Country:

LIZZA: And look, they're reading the same polls that we're all reading, and they realize that the American public doesn't quite -- there's not a big majority for defunding the troops, so it doesn't look like the Democratic leadership is going to go there. Instead, what you're going to have is a strategy led by Murtha, which is going to be to limit the number of troops available to President Bush by putting some restrictions on what troops will be allowed to be brought over to Iraq.

So that's the strategy that the -- that's the sort of two-part strategy: first, this nonbinding resolution, and then restricting what troops Bush can use. So, it's a sort of -- a slow bleeding of our ability to do much more in Iraq.

The phrase also appeared in a February 14 Politico article by John Bresnahan, which was posted to the Politico website February 15. As Media Matters noted, the Republican National Committee (RNC) cited Bresnahan's February 14 article and falsely claimed in a letter that House Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-CA) and Murtha "call it their 'slow-bleed' plan." Media Matters noted that Bresnahan's article did not attribute the term to anyone and did not place it in quotes, suggesting that it was The Politico's own. In a February 16 article, Bresnahan clarified that the term "slow-bleed strategy" was The Politico's "characteriz[ation]" and "was not a term used by any Democrats or the anti-war groups supporting their efforts." He also noted: "The RNC, however, attributed the phrase to Democrats, and it was used in their e-mail alert." Still, Kelly used the phrase and wondered what such a strategy "would say about the honesty and character of the Democratic leadership in Congress if it chooses to pursue it and focus on the wisdom, or lack of it, of making the sabotaging of the war effort foremost on the Democratic agenda."

Later in his column, Kelly touted a poll which shows that by a "margin[]of 57-41 percent, those polled said Iraq was a key part of the war on terror and that U.S. troops should remain until 'the job is done.' " The poll in question was conducted February 5-7 by the self-described "Republican polling firm" Public Opinion Strategies (POS) and trumpeted on the front page of the February 21 edition of the New York Post. As Media Matters has noted, the poll conflicts with recent nonpartisan polling, and a Republican pollster reportedly dismissed it as "leading and designed to elicit the answers they got," in the words of blogger Greg Sargent.

The results of recent nonpartisan polls conflict with the POS poll. For instance, a Pew Research Center for the People & the Press survey, conducted February 7-11, asked respondents to indicate whether "the U.S. should keep military troops in Iraq until the situation has stabilized" or "bring its troops home as soon as possible." The majority, 53 percent, responded that the "U.S. should bring its troops home."

From Kelly's February 25 column:

Many Democrats in Congress believe the war in Iraq is irretrievably lost, or that it would redound to their political advantage if it were lost. But they don't want to be blamed for the consequences of defeat.

This has placed House Speaker Nancy Pelosi and Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid in something of a quandary. The Constitution provides Congress with a means to end the war: Congress can cut off funding. But if Congress were to cut off money for the war in Iraq, and if all the bad things the intelligence community predicts would happen if we withdraw precipitously did happen, it would be pretty clear who was responsible for those bad things. And because it would be pretty clear who was responsible, many queasy Democrats in the House and Senate might not vote to cut off funds, giving the leadership an embarrassing defeat if it moved to do so.

So the Democrats may adopt what's been called the "slow bleed" strategy. Rep. Jack Murtha, D-Johnstown, outlined it last week in an interview with the left wing Web site MoveCongress.org. The strategy would be to impose, through amendments to the defense appropriations bill, so many restrictions on U.S. troops that the president's plan for a surge would be hamstrung.

There are, from the Democrats' perspective, two clever things about the "slow bleed" strategy. The first is that sabotaging the war effort in this way would not be nearly as clear cut as it would be by a vote to cut off funds, thus making it easier to evade blame for the consequences of defeat. The second is that if Congress passes a defense appropriations bill with these restrictions, President Bush would be left with three unpalatable choices: He could sign the bill and accept the restrictions, thus accepting slow defeat in Iraq. He could sign the bill and ignore the restrictions on the grounds that they are an unconstitutional trespass on his powers as commander in chief (which they would be), thus provoking a constitutional crisis. Or he could veto the bill, and thus risk defunding the war himself, should Congress not promptly pass a defense appropriations bill shorn of the restrictions.

Let us set aside for the moment what the "slow bleed" strategy would say about the honesty and character of the Democratic leadership in Congress if it chooses to pursue it and focus on the wisdom, or lack of it, of making the sabotaging of the war effort foremost on the Democratic agenda.

A large majority of Americans are unhappy with the conduct of the war in Iraq, and a majority thinks it was a mistake to go to war with Saddam Hussein in the first place. But recent opinion polls make clear that most Americans still want us to win, and think we can.

Public Opinion Strategies of Alexandria, Va. surveyed 800 registered voters Feb. 5-7. By identical margins of 57-41 percent, those polled said Iraq was a key part of the war on terror and that U.S. troops should remain until "the job is done." By 56-43 percent, respondents said Americans should stand behind the president in Iraq because we are at war, and by 53-46 percent they said Democrats were going too far, too fast in pressing the president to withdraw troops.

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    • Author by YellowDogDemocrat (February 26, 2007 8:40 pm ET)
         

      Okay, so the media has glommed on to the "slow-bleed" slogan, and it makes Democrats sound bad.  Agreed.  Now, other than whining that it's neither fair nor balanced, when are we going to come up with some catchy slogans of our own?  We've watched the Republicans do it for the last six years; surely we've learned something!  The talking heads in the media will adopt any sound bite and repeat it endlessly -- it saves them having to strain their brains with thinking.  Our task is to find our own catchy sound bites so the talking heads can reiterate those incessantly, too. 

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      • Author by tex (February 27, 2007 9:43 am ET)
           

        YELLOWDOG:

        Liberals and Progressives can come up with slogans and catch-phrases all day long 'til the cows come home, but it will do no good. The "framing" of every issue is accomplished by willing rightwing sycophants throughout the media echo chamber. The "phrases" they choose to adopt and repeat ad nauseum are those phrases passed down from the Neocon head office, to include (but not limited to) Karl Rove.

        If it's not an approved RNC/Neocon phraseology, it will not be used by the MEDIA. This is known as "keeping on message", and the Media is lined up and in lock step with whatever the leadership in Rightwing Propaganda SAYS is "the message."

        It's not a matter of "coming up" with counter messages. It's a matter of we Progressives not OWNING the Media, and therefore having every message directed in a coordinated plan of disinformation and "framing."

        Bottom line: The "Left" getting a fair shake? Will never happen, as long as the Rightwing own the media (and there is NO "Fairness Doctrine"). 

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        • Author by YellowDogDemocrat (February 27, 2007 8:24 pm ET)
             

          Tex, I agree that winning is more than coming up with a catchy slogan.  I also agree that the media is not exactly on the side of the Democrats.  But, I don't think we help ourselves by talking in paragraphs when we live in a world of sentence fragments.

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    • Author by wesley (February 26, 2007 8:41 pm ET)
         

       - results of dismissed poll - mmfa

      This is a huge LOL. This poll is as legitimate as the polls that mmfa constantly cites...when it fits their agenda.

      The questions were asked...the answers recorded. Unless mmfa has evidence that the poll responses were jill-flirted...it's a credible as any other.

      Dismissed...where's Coop when you need him. 

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      • Author by conleytgwinn (February 27, 2007 3:28 am ET)
           

        I can see that you are a real expert on polling, and statistical matters as well.  Good thing you are LOL, otherwise someone might recommend investigating your qualifications.

        As a matter of pure opinion, the framing of the question pretty well confines the response in the cited poll; whereas in most reputable polls, great care is taken to avoid any characterisation whatsoever. If you differ with that opinion, I guess even Bungle has his dismal, dim 30%, and every single one of them enthusiastically supports the specified phrasing.

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      • Author by Easy to refute wingnuts (February 27, 2007 8:17 am ET)
           

        Your dis missed.

        Not surprising, considering you do not display the intellectual rigor necessary to aim it correctly.

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    • Author by dayvoe (February 27, 2007 8:41 am ET)
         

      I've been blogging on Jack Kelly for a while now - here in Pittsburgh.  I got my post in a day before MMFA.

      http://2politicaljunkies.blogspot.com/2007/02/its-sunday-so-jack-kellys-spinning.html

      He's a loon.

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    • Author by pete592 (February 27, 2007 10:32 am ET)
         

      Let’s slowly bleed as we stand down, they stand up, and the last throes continue.  Let’s use high-strength aluminum tubing to exercise our nuclear option and prove the presence of a smoking gun, before it comes in the form of a mushroom cloud.  Before we cut and run, let’s lie and die and fight them over there so we don’t have to fight them here, while we plant the seeds of democracy.  Let’s have our yellow cake and eat it, too, but we have to do it with the army we have.

      Whenever ridiculous buzz words are used to override any serious debate on the very serious issue of Iraq, I like to refer back to a statement made by Senator Hagel last year: http://thinkprogress.org/2006/06/21/hagel-buzz-words/

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    • Author by njguy93 (February 27, 2007 11:15 am ET)
         

      Was Jack Kelly the guy who was fired or forced to resign from USA TODAY a couple of years ago for fabricating things in certain stories or something like that?  Maybe that was someone else.

      THANK YOU.

      njguy93@yahoo.com

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      • Author by conleytgwinn (February 27, 2007 12:05 pm ET)
           

        That one was Jack Kelley. Sorry, it would have been a tremendous storyline!

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    • Author by Dem02020 (February 27, 2007 11:43 am ET)
         

      A couple of notes here... first, thanks MMFA and R.D. for this item.

      It is one of several now that address the matter of the "media" strangely adopting the term "slow bleed", and it combines with the matter of the crooked "poll"... both matters seem to me important and worthy of address, and so thanks for the item.

      This item has some guy who writes for papers in the Toledo and Pittsburgh areas to have combined those two things himself, in his column: he echos the fixed "poll" results and he repeats the "slow bleed" description (...and the use of that term proves the bias of the user, as having borrowed it from another... proves that bias in all cases, except for the case of the one who originally came up with that description).

      And of course any attempt to smear Mr. Murtha in the Pittsburgh area is an attempt to smear him in his own backyard.

      With regard to this attempt, and the ones that appear more nationally (particularly on the Fox Noise Channel), I want to point out how ineffective and futile they are.

      We have already seen how unable the "media" is in it's attempts to persuade the American People what to think on the matter of Iraq...

      We saw it when FNC and many others in the "media" went to a 24 hour seven days a week trumpeting of the administration and it's scheme of lies and greed and death in Iraq... when we saw all that constant and harsh noise in the run-up to this past fall's Congressional elections.

      And we saw what happened:

      An extraordinary SIX Senate Republicans lost their seats in that election (Burns, Talent, Allen, DeWine, Santorum and Chafee), versus not a single Democratic Senator losing their seat in that election!

      And an even more extraordinary TWENTY-THREE House Republicans lost their seats in that election(notably Hayworth, Leach, Sherwood and Weldon), versus not a single House Democrat losing their seat in that election!

      And that these extraordinary election results are a result of the administration's (and the Congressional Republican's) scheme in Iraq, is hardly doubted.

      My point here in noting those extraordinary election results is to ask you, how effective was Fox Noise Channel and the rest of the "media" in persuading the American People what to think, and how to vote, in that past election?

      Answer the question honestly, and see why I say that Fox Noise Channel and the rest of the "media" are ineffective in their efforts to persuade the American People on the matter of Iraq... and their campaign of noise is a futile effort.

      The proof is in the pudding.

      Now, how well will this campaign work against Mr. Murtha in particular, in his own backyard?

      Well I'd point out that Mr. Murtha was returned to his House seat this past election by a super-majority... but that's not what drives the man on this issue.

      I think it's his service, to the American People and to the U.S. Marine Corps, that drives the man.

      And I think he'll be no more bent on this issue, than are the American People...

      I think the attempts by Fox et al to do so, are ineffective and futile (see the election results... they are the results of a TRUE POLL, not a crooked one).

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      • Author by conleytgwinn (February 27, 2007 12:19 pm ET)
           

        The problem of biased media (S.C.U.M.*, if you will) exists outside its ability to override a single-issue disagreement with Corporate policy. Simply by banging away at MANY issues every day, the S.C.U.M.* impair the operation of this democracy, change the perspective of the public on secondary and tertiary issues, and damage even the operability of the majority on that primary issue. See the continuing response to the media drumbeat by the Republican / leans Republican voters harking to the call to join ranks behind Bungle. The poll numbers insisting that we get out of Iraq are weakening as those Republicans are slowly reminded that they share so few of the "liberal values" on all other issues, and as the S.C.U.M.*  continue to frame even that primary issue to the benefit of the Repugnants in power. And so it will ever be, until we take out that Corporate animal that pervades our world as if it were sentient.  Begin with MORA!

        Rep. Hinchley - MORA

        *So-Called Unbiased Media courtesy of Easy To Refute Wingnuts

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      • Author by redking75687 (February 27, 2007 3:29 pm ET)
           

        Murtha sure didn't mind killing Iraqis when the war was going well, did he? Also, he's now putting forth a proposal for "re-deployment" (not withdrawal) that has so many loopholes in it you could fly a B-52 thru them. He's more interested in looking like he's agaisnt the war than actually doing anything about it.

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        • Author by strangely enough (February 28, 2007 3:49 pm ET)
             

          As opposed to someone trying to look like a keyboard warrior, rather than someone based in reality?

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