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Coulter: Environmentalists "want to destroy the middle class" but "would also wipe out their little friends in Chad and Darfur"

February 27, 2007 2:25 pm ET

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On the February 26 edition of Fox News' Hannity & Colmes, right-wing pundit Ann Coulter argued that proponents of energy efficiency "want to kill humans" and that energy efficient refrigerators are "not new energy" but, rather, a sign that "humankind is dying." Coulter also suggested that environmentalists' energy policies are based on "spend[ing] less" and "us[ing] candles."

In addition, when co-host Sean Hannity, who referred to former Vice President Al Gore's best-selling book, Earth in the Balance: Ecology and the Human Spirit (Plume, January 1992) as "Earth for the Unbalanced," asked about the book's suggestions of eliminating the internal combustion engine in 25 years and levying higher taxes on fossil fuels, Coulter responded that such suggestions are "anti-human" and show that environmentalists want to create a world "where they -- the beautiful, rich people -- live in their homes, and there are a few maids. Well-tempered maids will come in and take care of them, bicycling to work. But they want to destroy the middle class of America." She added: "I know they hate the middle class of America, but it would also wipe out their little friends in Chad and Darfur, who need energy to eat, to live, to have -- to go to the bathroom indoors in winter."

From the February 26 edition of Fox News' Hannity & Colmes:

JON COIFMAN (spokesman, Natural Resources Defense Council): That's a surprising lack of faith in the American system and the ingenuity that we have in this country to develop better solutions.

COULTER: OK, but you don't have it.

COIFMAN: You know, the refrigerator you have today is --

COULTER: You're the ones who want to kill humans.

COIFMAN: -- 75 percent more fuel efficient than that old harvest gold one that your parents --

COULTER: And that does nothing.

COIFMAN: -- had at home in Connecticut, and it saves us three-quarters of the energy of times --

COULTER: No, you don't -- that is not new energy. That's saying that humankind is dying.

COIFMAN: -- times 300 million refrigerators -- is power plants that don't need to be built. It's pollution that doesn't need to go into the air.

COULTER: That's [unintelligible].

COIFMAN: It's electric bills that don't need to be paid by ordinary --

COULTER: And apparently candles.

COIFMAN: -- middle-class American families.

COLMES: Ann, are you listening? Are you listening to this man?

COULTER: Yes. You can --

COIFMAN: You can -- you can keep your beer cold. You can keep your --

COULTER: -- that is not producing new energy for new human beings.

COLMES: But you failed -- but you failed to respond --

COULTER: To say that we can spend less or that we can use candles is not an energy policy.

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DARYL HANNAH (actress): Nobody has mentioned candles but you, Ann, I'm afraid.

HANNITY: All right. But let me go to Al Gore's book, Earth for the Unbalanced [sic]. He said higher taxes on fossil fuels is the first logical step in our policy, you know, et cetera. Then he talked about eliminating the internal combustion engine in 25 years.

What is the agenda, in your mind, behind the hysteria? Because I think it's an anti-capitalist agenda.

COULTER: It's anti-human. They want all of America to look like Amagansett [New York], where they -- the beautiful, rich people -- live in their homes, and there are a few maids. Well-tempered maids will come in and take care of them, bicycling to work. But they want to destroy the middle class of America.

And, I might add, I know they hate the middle class of America, but it would also wipe out their little friends in Chad and Darfur, who need energy to eat, to live, to have -- to go to the bathroom indoors in winter. It has nothing to do with Priuses or candle power. The energy is what allows humans to live.

COLMES: I have a way to reduce everything: Don't exhale. Thank you for being with us.

HANNITY: That's good advice for liberals.

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    • Author by rusty shackleford (February 27, 2007 2:31 pm ET)
         

      So Coulter is the source of the vacuous and hateful talking points the global warming trolls keep repeating on the Stossel thread?  Should have known.

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      • Author by clsn_lx1315 (February 27, 2007 2:55 pm ET)
           

        I suppose you trust Darryl Hannah to make energy policy?

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        • Author by bingvangorden (February 27, 2007 2:56 pm ET)
             

          Once again you manage to offer nothing but a lame attempt at a diversion. Besides, Darryl Hannah was once a mermaid and probably knows a little something about rising ocean temperatures.

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        • Author by rusty shackleford (February 27, 2007 3:00 pm ET)
             

          I suppose you trust Darryl Hannah to make energy policy?

          No, but I guarantee she wouldn't do any worse than Cheney. 

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          • Author by open_mind (February 27, 2007 3:20 pm ET)
               

            I don't think Hannah is as qualified as Cheney to make policy to reduce our dependence on BigOil.  What BigOil company has she worked for anyway?

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        • Author by Ken Schellenberg (February 27, 2007 3:31 pm ET)
             

          I wonder why either of those airheads (Coulter & Hannah) is talking about energy policy..

          Oh yeah. Fox. Nuff said. 

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        • Author by deeznuts (February 27, 2007 5:50 pm ET)
             

          That's a lovely straw-man you've built there.

          I give it a 7.5.

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          • Author by deeznuts (February 27, 2007 5:51 pm ET)
               

            Sorry, I was replying to clsn_lx1315.

            MMFA still needs to work on their comments IMO, particularly the nesting/threading thereof. 

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        • Author by HuntingtonBeachLefty (February 28, 2007 1:15 am ET)
             

          I don't think Darryl Hannah is considered a formidable presence on the debate circuit, but she did decisively beat Coulter and Hannity, who were reduced to babbling "candles" and "gulfstream", respectively.

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      • Author by tex (February 27, 2007 4:28 pm ET)
           

        Wow. On energy policy alone, Ann has deduced that anyone seeing a problem with pollution or wishing to conserve resources is "WANTING" to destroy both mankind AND the entire earth.

        Is there any EVIL that Ann does not connect ... philosophically, because there is no RATIONALITY in her declarations ... to environmental concern? If there is, I fail to see what it might be.

        Environmental concern EQUALS a wish to destroy the earth and everything on it. Got it, Ann. No need to debate this one. 

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    • Author by mefirst (February 27, 2007 2:32 pm ET)
         

      looks like annie made an even bigger fool of herself than usual on this one.

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    • Author by bingvangorden (February 27, 2007 2:33 pm ET)
         

      Ann says "It's anti-human.." When in reality it is anti-gluttony. For someone who feels godly enough to paint liberals as godless she enjoys sinning quite a bit. We have one sin, gluttony. She's envious whenever someone she disagrees with gets any good press. She obviously suffers from her own selfish pride. She is intellectually sloth. Revenge? Yeah, I'd say she enjoys being vengeful. Is being vindictive a sin? 

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      • Author by tman418 (February 27, 2007 4:40 pm ET)
           

        Well said. Anyone liberal who gets good press is the devil to her. She thinks they are worse than Hitler.

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    • Author by DorisRussell (February 27, 2007 2:40 pm ET)
         

      The Hate is back

      Nice to see Ann the hater back to making hateful statements. She is a disgusting person. Her and Hannity always want to pit people against people by labeling everyone who is against the cult they belong to a "Liberal". They are disgusting.

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    • Author by bingvangorden (February 27, 2007 2:42 pm ET)
         

      Did she get some botox work done? Or did she just drink the blood of a baby? Because the picture makes it look like she is actually a living person.

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      • Author by aDifferent McCain (February 28, 2007 12:09 pm ET)
           

        Bingvangorden, my vote is for the baby's blood.

        (Actually has anyone actually seen Ann touch a cross in real life, enter a church or eat garlic? She may do it for a photo op, but only rarely (it takes a while for that burnt flesh to grow back.))

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    • Author by jeter2 (February 27, 2007 2:43 pm ET)
         

      Oh boy a thread with Coulter vs Environmentalists

      This combination should make for some interesting posts to read :-O

      I'll go make some popcorn...

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    • Author by redking75687 (February 27, 2007 2:43 pm ET)
         

      More far-right hatred of anything that might be GOOD for the nation, like improving air quality and reducing dependency on fossil feuls. They want us to be like Mordor, a land of blackened soil, foul air, where nothing grows but hatred, malice, and war. That's all they dream of. Stinking orcs.

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      • Author by BLR (February 27, 2007 2:47 pm ET)
           

        ...and just when I thought I couldn't appreciate your postings more than I already do, you go and bust out the orcs.

        If I weren't already married..

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        • Author by redking75687 (February 27, 2007 9:20 pm ET)
             

          It's the perfect literary metaphor for the "conservative" personality.

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    • Author by BLR (February 27, 2007 2:44 pm ET)
         

      COIFMAN: You know, the refrigerator you have today is --

      COULTER: You're the ones who want to kill humans.

      COIFMAN: -- 75 percent more fuel efficient than that old harvest gold one that your parents --

      COULTER: And that does nothing.

      COIFMAN: -- had at home in Connecticut, and it saves us three-quarters of the energy of times --

      COULTER: No, you don't -- that is not new energy. That's saying that humankind is dying.

      Truly.  You cannot argue with this.  You can certainly point out that it's a complete non-sequitur, it's a lie, it's slander, it's demonization, and it's avoiding any real issue, but you can't argue with it.

      And really, can Colmes be any more of a prostitute for the Right?  He is the epitome of everything the Right wants the Left to be: spineless, stuttering, and without any kind of real direction or point.

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      • Author by bingvangorden (February 27, 2007 2:49 pm ET)
           

        You are right. You can't argue that purchasing energy efficient appliances kills people. ;^}

        I see your point. She is just making wild statements while the dude is pointing out the virtue of using a more efficient fridge. Somehow, in Ann-world, that is murdering the middle class.

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      • Author by mefirst (February 27, 2007 2:51 pm ET)
           

        it's sputtering nonsense by coulter. she is actually arguing that energy conservation is killing people.

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        • Author by mefirst (February 27, 2007 3:27 pm ET)
             

          damn you liberals. children are starving because you refuse to buy a lincoln navigator.

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    • Author by bingvangorden (February 27, 2007 2:45 pm ET)
         

      Where does she get this fantasy that environmentalists have maids and hate the middle class. She just doesn't make any sense.

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    • Author by pick of the litter (February 27, 2007 2:53 pm ET)
         

      So victims of genocide are dragged into this senseless debate as "liberals' " "little friends"?  How pathetically crass

      Go screw yerselves Insanity and Culter, y'all are behind the curve, asswipes.  Even Republicans desire environmental health and imaginative capitalists realize there is unlimited potential for economic growth with new technology and green innovation.  They have no foresight and are just propping up the same ole same ole oil-belching industries beholden to terrorist-supporting nations.  Whatta crock.  Who really watches this tripe other than this watchdog site anyway?

      Did anyone read the article on Nigeria in the latest National Geographic?  That country's people are way worse off since they have been selling crude to the world. 

       

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    • Author by m_czerniewski (February 27, 2007 3:01 pm ET)
         

      Hey Ann, I think you're blowing smoke out of your Adam's apple by saying that being environmentally friendly is harmful to the middle class.  I'm middle class, and I would love to find new ways to reduce the amount of energy we currently waste every day.

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    • Author by neondesert (February 27, 2007 3:02 pm ET)
         

      All I know is that ever since people started buying new energy-efficient appliances, all the people in my middle-class neighborhood have begun to die.  We just last week bought a new refrigerator, you know, energy star and all that?  Well right as I plugged it in for the first time, my next door neighbor keeled over right there at his mailbox, electric bills in hand.  Next day, they cleared his lot and the one next to him (that guy died about a month ago, the day that my other neighbor bought an energy star compliant dishwasher) and they're putting up a mansion on the vacant land.  The neighbors' widow, along with their 7 year old daughter had no choice but to apply for the domestic help positions available when the mansion is finished.

      Needless to say, I'm a little worried.  The guy across the street and I have already chased three or four Sears trucks out of the neighborhood at gunpoint, just because we don't want those energy efficient appliances anywhere on our block.  I can't even get life insurance any more because the insurance company found too many people in our zip code owned new appliances.  Naturally, the ACLU won't return my calls when I try to enlist their help to sue the Energy Star folks to cease and desist.

      Well, I'm doing my part.  Recently went down to the antique store and bought a 1921 ice box.  If anyone can give me the number of a good, reliable ice-delivery service, I'd be much obliged.  By the way, I'm reading this on my old Amiga monitor.  I won't say it could save humanity on it's own, but boy, does this baby suck down the juice.  And the text is so big!

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      • Author by bingvangorden (February 27, 2007 3:04 pm ET)
           

        That was goooood! Very funny. Thanks Neon.

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      • Author by rusty shackleford (February 27, 2007 3:05 pm ET)
           

        Now that's funny.

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        • Author by neondesert (February 27, 2007 3:13 pm ET)
             

          Thanks, but it's not as funny as the story of Ann Coulters trip through Amagansett after calling its residents non-human.

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      • Author by rdarmand (February 27, 2007 4:10 pm ET)
           

        But... I'm considered working-class. What am I supposed to do? If I waste more energy, will that help boost me into the middle-class? Or is that deadly to the working-class? I really need Dr. Coulter's advice on this...

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      • Author by rstybeach266 (February 27, 2007 4:35 pm ET)
           

        This is one of the best posts I have read here. Well said good sir!

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    • Author by BLR (February 27, 2007 3:06 pm ET)
         

      I have to say that Fox did get something right with that scrren cap.  I'd call her "Godless," too.

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      • Author by jeffrey.king22218 (February 27, 2007 4:33 pm ET)
           

        Right on, just strip off the quotes and it's exactly correct.

        I find that works well with the chimpster too - just assume that when he talks about the evil intentions and vile character of the terrorists he is simply baring his own soul. 

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      • Author by NonCarborundum (February 27, 2007 5:26 pm ET)
           

        Must we stoop to treating "godless" as an insult?  That's so ... so ... theistic of you!

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    • Author by monknj80 (February 27, 2007 3:21 pm ET)
         

      I am still waiting for one person to honestly explain to me how energy conservation is a bad thing. mAnne is a twit.

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      • Author by neondesert (February 27, 2007 3:29 pm ET)
           

        Uhh.... Because you would have to go to the bathroom outside?

        I gotta admit that my technical expertise is not on par with prof. coulter, so I can't really get into the details.

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        • Author by monknj80 (February 27, 2007 3:35 pm ET)
             

          I my thing is if thins are more fuel efficient, would that put the oil they love so dearly to better use. If cars got 100+ mph would that take some of the burden off of the people at the pump? Wouldn't the ease our dependence on foreign coutries for oil?

          All this screeching and I still haven't heard a valid point yet. What's wrong with energy conservation? I know there is someone on the other side of the argument willing to clue me in. Please, I am begging for an answer.

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        • Author by rusty shackleford (February 27, 2007 3:36 pm ET)
             

          Also it destroys the American middle class, whose survival requires that energy consumption be as wasteful as possible.  Apparently. 

          When I go home tonight I'm going to turn on all my lights and run my hot water constantly so that the American middle class will thrive.

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        • Author by neondesert (February 27, 2007 3:38 pm ET)
             

          I should also add that we all know how cold it gets in Chad and Darfur in the winter, so peeing in the house would be advantageous to those peoples, and save many babies, thereby adding to the population numbers which is currently in calamatous decline.

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      • Author by pjcarter (February 27, 2007 3:53 pm ET)
           

        Well to her it is.  I mean all this talk about clean air, clean water, renewable energy...it sounds like...Socialism.  Or...Communism.

        No.  Let's stick to old fashion Capitalism.  Buy.  Buy. Buy.  Until there's two car's in every garage and everything is used up.  And let's spread our vision to other countries.  It's the American way.  Or at least the Coulter way. 

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      • Author by THEmole (February 27, 2007 4:25 pm ET)
           

        Energy conservation is bad because then you'd have to power your computer with candle energy.

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      • Author by Lynn (February 27, 2007 5:56 pm ET)
           

        Amazingly no one has come running Ann's defense on this thread. Now that's progress, although I haven't made it to the end of the thread yet. Ann was talking complete indefensible nonsense.

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        • Author by rusty shackleford (February 27, 2007 5:59 pm ET)
             

          Keep reading, Lynn.  One of the usual suspects engages his amazing mind-reading powers to tell us what Ann really meant.

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        • Author by HuntingtonBeachLefty (February 28, 2007 1:27 am ET)
             

          Amazingly no one has come running Ann's defense on this thread. - Lynn

          This was barely happy hour on the East Coast-give it time. 

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    • Author by bkboase3653 (February 27, 2007 3:30 pm ET)
         

      Granted this is a snapshot of the segment...but, what does Ann really bring to the show? I wonder if she has an agreement with Fox that her role is to just interject anti-left screechings. I bet they don't need to even let her know beforehand who she will be appearing with, as it doesn't seem to matter what the subject being discussed is - she doesn't address the issue, just another opportunity to attack an ideology.

      I'm not a psychologist, but there has to be some intense self-hate issues go on for her. As much as what she says infuriates me at times, of late I truly feel sorry for her. I hope its all an act for her sake.

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      • Author by redking75687 (February 27, 2007 3:36 pm ET)
           

        She's an alienated/dyssocial sociopath. She does what she does for all the negative attention it gets her. Same with most of the others like Hannity and O'Reilly and Beck. They thrive on hatred, live for reaction...one reason they're called reactionaries. She's glommed onto the "conservative cause" to give her life meaning, like joining a cult and spouts the doctrine all day cause it gets people looking in her direction.

        But to me, she's just another orc escaped from Mordor and not worth listening to.

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    • Author by Mark from Chicago (February 27, 2007 3:37 pm ET)
         

      Ms. Coulter really seems to have used up her 15 minutes of fame.  She is incapable of even trying to make a coherent point anymore. Just plug her in, put her in front of a camera and she will say 1) liberals are evil; and/or 2) liberals hate America -- whatever the subject is at the time just "proves" one (or usually both) of those two themes. So now energy conservation proves that the rich liberals (whoever they are) hate the middle class (how unAmerican) and are just using energy conversation to keep the middle class enslaved (how evil).  The lack of logic, the vapidity of the statement, the sheer inanity of the exchange, makes no difference. She really has become pathetic. Does anyone, I mean anyone, actually think that she has something to say worth listening to anymore?

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      • Author by neondesert (February 27, 2007 3:47 pm ET)
           

        I gotta tell ya, I heard that the new fox show wasn't really very funny, got panned by several critics.  But after watching this clip, I have to disagree.  It's hilarious!  And it just wouldn't be the same without anne.

        You know, sometimes the best performances go unappreciated because they seem so natural.  Ann is truly an artiste. (yes, with the "e", and the foreign pronunciation.  She's that good).  And I for one thinks she deserves ANOTHER 15 minutes.

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      • Author by What Happened to Gannon (February 27, 2007 5:10 pm ET)
           

        Good post. Coulter was out to lunch. It was almost like Fox had network difficulties and was showing two shows at once. Coulter absolutely refused to engage in any meaningful debate. She might as well been on a different planet.

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      • Author by clsn_lx1315 (February 27, 2007 9:13 pm ET)
           

        Used up her 15 minutes of fame? Agree or disagree with Coulter but I think she's published a number of best sellers. And your claim to fame, Mark from Chicago?

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        • Author by bartonim (February 27, 2007 9:44 pm ET)
             

          Yes, and Peaches and Herb won a Grammy for best song in, what, 1979. There's no accounting for taste, and its obvious Ann's readers are as crazed and clued out as she is. 

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          • Author by clsn_lx1315 (February 28, 2007 12:32 pm ET)
               

            I think they're entitled to their own opinions and you, yours.

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            • Author by What Happened to Gannon (February 28, 2007 1:39 pm ET)
                 

              I expect more from a journalist (if that's what Coulter claims to be)

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              • Author by clsn_lx1315 (February 28, 2007 2:10 pm ET)
                   

                Then don't read any of her multiple best-sellers. I never have but there are plenty of people who like her books.

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                • Author by open_mind (February 28, 2007 3:56 pm ET)
                     

                  They are welcome to like her books.  Just don't make the easy mistake that popularity = validity.

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                  • Author by clsn_lx1315 (February 28, 2007 5:13 pm ET)
                       

                    "They are welcome to like her books.  Just don't make the easy mistake that popularity = validity." - openmind

                    That was perfect, OM. You just opened your mind for all to see. Only what goes on inside the skull of open mind is "valid" and every other viewpoint is "invalid", according to OM'S Law. Now I've got it.

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                • Author by solon (February 28, 2007 8:38 pm ET)
                     

                  Did you know that the NYTimes has started putting daggers by all the nonfiction best sellers that have their high numbers spiked by bulk sales? ALL of Coulters books get the dagger. Richard Mellon Schiafe uses them to insulate his attic. Rightwing political groups give them out at bake sales.

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    • Author by Susie (February 27, 2007 3:40 pm ET)
         

      I watched a bit of the 1/2 show (name?) the comedy thing on Fox. It had Limbaugh as President and Anne as his VP stating now the grownups were in office. I guess after the Democrats won in 2008?   I believe the show has the same kind of production quality as Anne. My name for her is Godless.... oh never mind I don't want to be flagged. 

      Since I work across the street from Fox- I have seen her walking the streets, surrounding by large burly men.  Darn I am sure I could take her on .  . . sorry I digress.  Or have entered the alternate reality where we (who are we again) are the bleeding heart liberals who care for the oppressed and now we want to eliminate ourselves?  Dear me,  I am clearly confused... Maybe Malkin can clarify this for me. 

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    • Author by Susie (February 27, 2007 3:44 pm ET)
         

      Opps should have been surrouded by big burly men... of course she could have been surrouding them too.  I am still confused.

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    • Author by snoopy (February 27, 2007 3:46 pm ET)
         

      Oh, c'mon y'all, don't you know a joke when you see it? See, this is how wingnuts debate is all. If they don't agree with what you are saying they just make humor of the situation. It's just a joke, don't you get it? /sarcasm off!

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    • Author by Buzzramjet (February 27, 2007 3:48 pm ET)
         

      I have to wonder as well what it is about energy savings and environmental protections the rightwing nutjobs are so against?

      Besides the obvious point of protecting the obscene profits of corporate America and the multinationals who rely upon getting consumers to blows as much energy as possible with no environmental concerns.

       Or do they just simply hate progessives, liberals and democrats so much they would shoot themselves in the foot just to prove that hatred?

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      • Author by Kaliman (February 27, 2007 3:56 pm ET)
           

        Was she really just saying that asking people to conserve energy is akin to killing off the middle class?  Didn't this broad once say that the American way of life was eating steaks and skiing in the moonlight or something like that?  That dudes were dying to protect everyone's right to take the monster truck up to the lake?  Were the suggestions of common sense-energy conservation flashed up behind Melissa Etheridge's (corny-ass) performance intended as a warning to the middle class?  Michael Savage turned on his boy Leonard yeterday-did anyone hear that?  Last week he was a brilliant actor, now he's a prat-boy of the communists for (cornily) mentioning the Oscars was a "green show" (whatevs that means).  Eschew extremes, folks.  Stay grounded.

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      • Author by Pithaughn (February 27, 2007 4:03 pm ET)
           

        They love the status quo. Anyone who wants to make a serious change in the status quo is thier enemy. The status quo provides them with health care, relatively cheap abundant energy, corporate profits at the expense of the enviroment and future generations of poor and middle class. They don't care about anyone but themselves. You see, it does not matter to them how miserable someone is who goes to Wal mart to buy soap, oil, TP , and all the other essentials, they will still buy the products and keep the profits and dividends rolling. They are for the rich getting richer and the poor poorer. Anyone who proposes an idea that would decentralize wealth and power is a serious threat to the status quo and must be attacked.

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        • Author by lemoc (February 28, 2007 11:24 am ET)
             

          Check under your bed for Capitalists tonite.

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          • Author by Easy to refute wingnuts (February 28, 2007 12:58 pm ET)
               

            They probably got pushed out by the Commies under yours.

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          • Author by Pithaughn (February 28, 2007 4:35 pm ET)
               

            Capitalists? No, what I really fear are the evanjellakals trying to save my eternal soul by telling me what to think.

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    • Author by newzhound (February 27, 2007 3:55 pm ET)
         

      Most refrigerators have the engine at the bottom.  Hot air rises - so the heat produced by the motor rises and the engine has to run to circulate more coolant because the motor is heating the refrigerator.

      Not a very healty cycle - most of the energy is expended cooling down after the motor heats it up.

       Now if they put the engine at the top...

       

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      • Author by pete592 (February 27, 2007 5:05 pm ET)
           

        I’m not a refrigeration expert, but I have learned a thing or two from my 18 years in heavy HVAC, and your design theory holds no water.

         

        First of all, when you say “engine” I am assuming you mean the compressor.

         

        Modern refrigerators are designed to transfer compressor heat to the room air, not back to the food compartments, as you have asserted.

         

        The condensers of modern refrigerators are located at the bottom, where the cool air from the room resides, which is able to more readily absorb heat.  This condenser uses a fan, which moves the room air across the condenser.  Locating the compressor in the same area as the condenser fan also dissipates heat from the compressor, sending it back out into the room air along with the heat from inside the refrigerator that was removed by the condenser.  This benefit would be nonexistent if the compressor were located at the top, away from the condenser and fan.

         

        The compressor may also have an oil loop routed to the condenser which also removes heat from the compressor, making it all the better that it’s located near the condenser.

         

        Many modern refrigerators are located in alcoves, so it would be inefficient to locate the condenser at the top or the back, since it cannot take advantage of the cooler room air falling to the floor.  Locating the compressor separately at the top would necessitate a means to remove the heat generated, like another fan, since the alcove would be preventing efficient dissipation of heat.  Adding another cooling fan for the top-mounted compressor would make for greater power consumption.  This would also make for either a taller refrigerator or less room for food.

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        • Author by HuntingtonBeachLefty (February 28, 2007 1:31 am ET)
             

          Hey Pete, that's why no girls hang around the Engineering classrooms. (:oD

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          • Author by pete592 (February 28, 2007 1:59 am ET)
               

            LMAO.  It'll probably be the only time I get to talk shop and baffle 'em with BS on a net forum.  I couldn't resist.

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      • Author by lemoc (February 28, 2007 11:28 am ET)
           

        Newzhound....that's sorcery.

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    • Author by pete592 (February 27, 2007 4:00 pm ET)
         

      This is one of the finest displays of Ann Coulter professing to be the world’s foremost authority on everything, while she obviously has no concept of what she’s talking about. 

      This is what makes Fox Nothing Channel such a huge joke.  Instead of bringing out one of these mythical scientists who think man-made global warming doesn’t exist, they have to resort to yet again giving airtime to the same old rightwing hate merchant.  Comedic bits like this would be an embarrassment to any reputable news organization, but they are par for the course on the Fox Nothing Channel.

      Coulter stands oblivious to Coifman’s point that making millions of electrical appliances more energy efficient means that less coal has to be burned and less pollution has to go into the air.  Can someone possibly be more stupid than this?

      And where do we begin with proud polluter Sean Hannity?

      “What is the agenda, in your mind, behind the hysteria? Because I think it's an anti-capitalist agenda.”

       

      There are numerous companies, like Nordex and Sunpower that have built businesses out of providing people with the means to harness renewable power.  Sounds like capitalism to me.  If we made a genuine collective effort to free ourselves from the clutches of the Middle East oil cartel, I believe there would be a whole new wave of capitalism and economic prosperity based upon marketing the means of harnessing renewables and selling the energy that is produced by them.

       

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      • Author by Pithaughn (February 27, 2007 4:12 pm ET)
           

        Pete, " I believe there would be a whole new wave of capitalism and economic prosperity" you are absolutely correct. But, she and her tribe are at their core hypocrites, they only care about preserving their capital and their prosperity. They do not really want caplitalism unless it makes them wealthier. If they had to choose between GNP rising, due to middle class business's growing and a shrinking GNP but preserving thier wealth they would choose shrinking, just look at Reaganomics. Better to trickle down and the rich take their cut and if any thing left let the rest squabble over crumbs.

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    • Author by mr. l (February 27, 2007 4:11 pm ET)
         

      Oh- My- God......Ann 'the Dali Lama's in my cross hairs' Coulter is so unhinged...What is she saying..??? Well tempered maids..??? Conserving energy is anti-human...??? Does she not get that SAVING energy is like SAVING money, whereby you have MORE to give to others, if needed- nope..she's a dope...

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    • Author by worrierking (February 27, 2007 4:22 pm ET)
         

      The only reason that these cretins are against policies to protect the environment is pure, unadulterated hatred.

      In every discussion with the average wingnut, the topic is deflected to the "free market".

      Doesn't it make sense that these is a ton of money to be made in their "free market" with new technologies that will surely come about because we invest our resources in new ways to protect the environment?

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      • Author by mefirst (February 27, 2007 4:28 pm ET)
           

        but the problem is.....the sunshine that heats your water or turns a turbine? the oil companies can't charge you for it. at least not yet.

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      • Author by rstybeach266 (February 27, 2007 6:58 pm ET)
           

        Example #1: Ethonal made from corn AND beats can be produced by the DECLINING group of small farmers, saving one of the truly definitive occupations of the Americana. Or, since energy preservation is anti-human and kills off the middle class, the small time farmer wouldn't fill this role to the right wing's perspective, it will have to be one of there multi-billion dollar corporations that would cash in on the massive cash HOG that is sitting in the middle fo the room. Either way, Anne Coulter can have her way, be right, and we still would be burning cleaner fuel. Everyone happy?

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    • Author by magnolialover (February 27, 2007 4:26 pm ET)
         

      I think she may have finally lost her damn mind after reading this one. And that's a pretty good stretch even for her. Maybe, I think she's trying to keep up with Malkin maybe, as she has been stealing Coulter's thunder more and more with her higher pitched rantings and ravings.

       I'm with the others on here who are middle class, and want more energy conservation. I'm not sure "how" this damages the middle class wanting to have a good environment. Wouldn't that be advantageous to all? Hmm... I think we should put environmentalism into a non-partisan issue, because it shouldn't be, but unfortunately, as we all know, it is.

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      • Author by mefirst (February 27, 2007 4:30 pm ET)
           

        clean air = communist plot

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        • Author by magnolialover (February 27, 2007 4:41 pm ET)
             

          Communism was nothing more than a red herring anyway. Look at how that whole "experiment" turned out for them.

           I do believe I remember seeing recently, a lot of large companies are asking for more regulation, and to apply new environmental standards now, rather than later, so they can work on the technology, and get compliant, because I think they fear that it will cost more, the longer they wait. What I think Ann fails to remember is that if there is no world, how are you going to drive that SUV? How are you going to make that money?

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    • Author by pick of the litter (February 27, 2007 4:52 pm ET)
         

      excerpt from:

      "Wall Street Adds Climate Change to Bottom Line"    By Ron Scherer    The Christian Science Monitor

          Tuesday 27 February 2007

      The environmentally tinged takeover of TXU Corp. illustrates global warming's increased financial relevance.

          New York - Wall Street now views the color green as something other than money.

          In the latest sign that global climate change is becoming a major factor for investors, potentially the largest private takeover in the nation's history has environmentalists' fingerprints all over it.

          A consortium of private investors announced Monday they would pay almost $45 billion to acquire TXU Corp., which generates electricity in the state of Texas. What makes the deal more than just another gigantic financial transaction is that the buyers of the company consulted with environmental groups and agreed to sharply scale back plans to build new coal-fired power plants.

          "This is a real breakthrough, an indication investors are paying attention to the real financial risk associated with climate change," says Dan Bakal, director of electric power programs at Ceres, a Boston-based environmental group that advises investors controlling $3.7 trillion in assets. "It means Wall Street is really beginning to pay attention."

          Wall Street analysts believe the deal could mean that future takeovers will start to factor in the cost of corporate carbon emissions.

          This could affect mergers and acquisitions in a broad range of industries, including manufacturing companies, the auto industry, mining companies, and other utilities.

          "What it shows is the environment has a much greater presence than in the past and the issue of global warming is under increased scrutiny," says Sam Stovall, chief investment strategist at Standard & Poor's in New York. "These are additional factors that must be addressed in future mergers."

       

      http://www.truthout.org/docs_2006/022707F.shtml

       

      Environmental considerations are being taken seriously by some in business who have the future in mind and value long term sustainable goals.  Fox noise won't explore these issues seriously  because they have no respect for honest journalism or for their viewer's intelligence. 

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    • Author by anotheramerican (February 27, 2007 5:11 pm ET)
         

      It seems to me that Coulter is making the point that energy efficient refrigerators is not the answer.  She is telling the environmentalists to develop new ways of energy rather than just saying consume less.

      I think Coulter is referring to the liberal stand on abortion when she says 'You're the ones who want to kill humans'.  Either that, or maybe she's saying environmental hysteria, like the environmentalists' call to stop using ddt has caused the deaths of millions.

      I didn't watch the show so I don't know what came before or after the snippet above, but you can always count on Coulter laying into liberals every time she's on. It's her schtick and it gives her air time. 

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      • Author by bingvangorden (February 27, 2007 5:36 pm ET)
           

        Maybe she was reffering to abortion when crying about people killing humans. if that's the case she would be incorrect as humans are not aborted, fetuses are. But I don't think she made any sense at all honestly and if her point is lost on us it's her fault for being such an unstable person. She's clearly nuts. To scream at someone for killing humans while they are talking about energy efficient appliances. Ann once again negates anything inteligent she might have had to offer. Even though she appears to be eating again, she's still totally whacked out.

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      • Author by rusty shackleford (February 27, 2007 5:53 pm ET)
           

        Open_Mind destroyed your little DDT fantasy back on the Stossel thread, AA.  As for abortion, can you show that the NRDC or this spokesman have a stance on it?

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      • Author by solon (February 28, 2007 8:44 pm ET)
           

        If Ann EVER makes a point it will be her very first. Slurs, attacks, wild baseless assertions nonsense and death threats are not points they are the ravings of a lunatic. Ann, rants and raves, she doesnt make points. There was nothing cogent or even intelligible in her diatribe, just blatant stupidity and attacks.

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    • Author by Marker (February 27, 2007 5:24 pm ET)
         

      Sad that repugs don't want to keep the planet clean, or at least try, no matter what side of global warming you stand on.

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    • Author by bones2earth (February 27, 2007 5:24 pm ET)
         

      "Trees cause more pollution than automobiles." The Gipper.

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      • Author by evilliberals (February 28, 2007 2:45 am ET)
           

        well, he was senile since, what, the 1970's?

        ironic, though, that now, "CO2 - we call it LIFE" is the new catchphrase of the right.

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    • Author by indigo1968 (February 27, 2007 5:43 pm ET)
         

      I saw Ann's so-called comments on global warming last night. All she did was (as usual) spew an array of right-wing stereotypical crap regarding lefties and environmental policy.

      So all Coulter did by trying to broach the subject of global warming was make an ass of herself, as usual. 

        

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    • Author by Isthisagreatcountryorwhat (February 27, 2007 5:54 pm ET)
         

      Isn't Chad and Darfur a desert?  Maybe it gets cold in the winter at night, but me thinks that having a warm place to go to the bathroom is third on the citizens of those countries priority list, right behind eating and surviving genocide.  Does anyone remember Earl Butz's famous comments 30 years ago-all black people want are loose shoes, tight......, and a warm place to s--t.  I think that's what Ann was saying but she figured no one would get the reference.  Ergo, she's a bigot besides being stupid.  That's the difference, without bragging too much, between me and Ann Coulter.  Me thinks, she doesn't.

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    • Author by IRONY 101 (February 27, 2007 6:30 pm ET)
         

      AN ANNOUNCEMENT...

      I've decided to come clean. After giving it careful thought I have decided to admit that I must be as crazy as Ann Coulter... crazy enough, that is, to regularly read the putrid product of this hateful and peculiar woman and allow myself to become upset by her insane, insulting ramblings. In order to regain my own sanity I shall hereafter endeavor to do my best to avoid any such reports on MMFA as this one... or at least to resist the urge to comment, if in a moment of weakness, i fall off the wagon and peruse any inevitable reports in the futire regarding yet another one of her episodes of antagonizing normal people.

      But one parting question... how depraved are Sean Hannity and FOX News to give Ann Coulter air time? 

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      • Author by princeofwheels (February 27, 2007 7:44 pm ET)
           

        Dear IRONY 101,

        You are an inspiration to us all. Having taken the first step by admitting your addiction is commendable. I, we, will support you by not reading any of your future posts about Anne should you regress. (I know that name affects you deeply but hang in there).

        Sadly, this illness you are fighting doesn't end here. We still have the Rushs', the Seans and that ugly guy who complains all the time..can't recall his name/names.

        You must realize that this is a 12,000,000 step program you are about to follow so congrats for taking step ONE. The end of the climb is very cleansing to the soul.

        A friend if needed, THE PRINCE

         

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        • Author by IRONY 101 (February 27, 2007 8:33 pm ET)
             

          Thank you, Prince. I greatly appreciate your kind words of understanding and support during this personally difficult time. You are indeed a prince...  ;>)

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    • Author by bolinski24 (February 27, 2007 7:05 pm ET)
         

      COULTER: It's anti-human. They want all of America to look like Amagansett [New York], where they -- the beautiful, rich people..."

      Yes, of course. Ms Coulter is not one of those 'rich people.' Spare me. Does anyone have statstics demonstrating her 'middle class' income level? Duplicitus and Skank-like. That she gets face time on any national cable outlet testifies as to the lemming nature of the general (re: red state delineation) populous: "Look Homer, another crispy blonde conservative bloviating about someone (Gore) who's accomplished way more than she has." D'oh!

      And by the way, What, exactly does she mean by 'anti-human?' Wouldn't 'invading their (re: muslim) countries, killing their leaders and converting them all to Christianity (excuse the paraphrase fro her book)' being advocating an 'anti-human position? The (wo)man is the poster child for 'slack-jawed troglodyte;' she offends my fundamental humanity.

      Reuben

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    • Author by Pithaughn (February 27, 2007 7:09 pm ET)
         

      Maybe Ann and Rupert M have an arrangement. We know she will debase herself and others for money, so it would be logical to think some deal making is going on so that she can get air time to sell more (I was going to say books but caught myself) pieces of paper with black markings on them bound together.

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    • Author by rstybeach266 (February 27, 2007 7:23 pm ET)
         

      The righties still have not approached the question "How is apathy a better alternitive to action when it comes to keeping a clean environment?" They make it sound as though the world would be a much happier, more PATRIOTIC place if everyone sat back and guzzeled as much fuel as possible, allowed oil tankers and pipe lines to rubture in our oceans, pump as much CO2 into the atmosphere as possible, keeping a planet as dirty as possible. 

      What blow's me away is that there are some righties who believe that global warming is true (those that have actually researched the topic) but humans have no control over it, good or bad, so if it's going to come, we should live it up to the best we can while we still have the time to do so (rev up those HUMMERS baby!). And then there are those poor ignorant, let alone LAZY fools who refuse to even look into the facts of the subject and claim the "Anti-Human Global Warming" debate is in actuality a total scam set up by thousands of scientists and climateologists (ACROSS THE WORLD!) in order to retain grants for research. Kind of like those crazy scientists who said it's possible to send a man to the moon, but that's was all faked anyway, right?! 

       APATHY IS AN OPTION ONLY TO THAT OF FAILURE!

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    • Author by bartonim (February 27, 2007 9:41 pm ET)
         

      Oh, the unlovely Ann is at it again, putting words in people's mouths and refusing to listen to anyone else's point of view. And then there's Sean 'I have a woody in my pocket for you Ann' Hannity with his little snide closing remark. Here's a guy who has a 'Concert For Freedom' but excludes liberals. Just give Alan his own show, will ya FOX?!!

      As for Daryl Hannah, she wipes the floor with old wretched Ann.  

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    • Author by Romario (February 28, 2007 12:18 am ET)
         

      Ann Coulter talking about the "rich people"? This from a woman who has made millions of dollars and owns 3 homes, including a $3 million apartment in Manhattan?

      STFU ANN!

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    • Author by indigo1968 (February 28, 2007 9:39 am ET)
         

      >>Get you history correct liberals!

      Oh, yes sir. 

      And while were at it, can we refill that jug of backwoods moonshine you're tooting on your front porch, and get you a dentist to treat that one last tooth in your head? 

       

       

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    • Author by daganium4595 (February 28, 2007 11:36 am ET)
         

      All I can say is just imagine if Ronald Reagan would have been a big global warming guy.

      Coulter & Hannity would be living off of wind power & wearing nothing but clothes made from hemp.

       And right now it would be a felony in America to leave your house with the lights on.

      But since it's Al Gore instead of Ronny Reagan, it's all a big joke. 

       To hell with the fact mere common sense dictates that global warming is real...that is beside the point.

      The point is, it must be dismissed out of hand because Al Gore believes in it.

      And if that is harmful to the planet in the long run, then it's worth it because it makes Al Gore look bad.

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    • Author by wookie (February 28, 2007 12:38 pm ET)
         

      Is there even a point in arguing with schizo woman? She is turning into the crazy cat woman on the Simpsons. "Aaaaayyyyaaa daaaa bbbbllllaaaa liberals!"

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    • Author by Easy to refute wingnuts (February 28, 2007 1:35 pm ET)
         

      I think Coulter is in dire need of a 12-step program.

      She can start it 11 steps from the edge of the Grand Canyon...

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    • Author by fantagor (February 28, 2007 1:42 pm ET)
         

      Yet again, AC proves that to have an opinion one needn't rely on facts or reality or substantive arguments. Just SHOUT OVER OTHERS YOU DISAGREE WITH. Besides, if environmentalists were out to "destroy America's middle class", she would side with them, given that destroying the middle class has been the Republican Party's core mission statement since the Reagan years.

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    • Author by Kaleun (February 28, 2007 11:24 pm ET)
         

      Woow. I've never seen Coulter in action before. I never imagined anyone would be able to say this stuff with a straight face and without looking angry, but she pulls it off. I have to say Hannah, from what little I just saw of her, was pretty good for a liberal invited to Faux Noise. Usually they get someone no one has ever heard of before, who have no backbone and stuff. Or maybe Ann triggers some powerful defensive instincts...

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    • Author by zarathustra28 (March 02, 2007 2:02 am ET)
         

      Why respectable media organizations continue to place Ann Coulter in the public limelight is a mystery to me. Why conservatives have not disavowed her is equally a mystery.  Ann Coulter is an embarrassment to the right. Liberals accuse conservatives of being greedy, bigotted, troglodytes. Conservatives are regressive we are told; they support demolishing women's rights, giving big corporations a "free hand" with the environment, and perpetrating hate and imperialism across the globe.

      As unfair as these accusations may sound, Ann Coulter proves every one of them true. And the media's and conservatism's failure to grace her with pariah status simply shows where they stand on these issues.  

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