Coulter reference to Edwards as "faggot" gives rise to questions for media
In a March 2 speech to the Conservative Political Action Conference (CPAC), right-wing pundit Ann Coulter said she "can't really talk about" Democratic presidential candidate and former Sen. John Edwards (NC) because "you have to go into rehab if you use the word 'faggot.' " The CPAC audience applauded her comment. Coulter's comments, which aired on CSPAN, were also documented by the weblog Think Progress. It was not the first time Coulter has smeared a prominent Democrat with a homophobic epithet, and it is not the first time that Coulter has ridiculed Edwards. Will the media call on Republican presidential hopefuls attending the CPAC conference to denounce her smear?
From Coulter's March 2 speech:
COULTER: Oh, and I was going to have a few comments on the other Democratic presidential candidate, John Edwards. But it turns out that you have to go into rehab if you use the word "faggot," so I'm -- so I'm kind of at an impasse, can't really talk about Edwards. So I think I'll just conclude here and take your questions.
As Media Matters for America documented, Coulter called former Vice President Al Gore a "total fag" on the July 27 edition of MSNBC's Hardball, claiming immediately that the comment was "a joke." At the end of the interview, host Chris Matthews said: "Thanks for coming on. And a smart lady. Her book's called Godless. Sometimes being smart isn't enough for a civil discourse. We'd love to have her back."
Coulter previously ridiculed Edwards in a 2003 column for frequently talking about the death of his 16-year-old son, Wade:
Edwards has talked about his son's death in a 1996 car accident on "Good Morning America," in dozens of profiles and in his new book. ("It was and is the most important fact of my life.") His 1998 Senate campaign ads featured film footage of Edwards at a learning lab he founded in honor of his son, titled "The Wade Edwards Learning Lab." He wears his son's Outward Bound pin on his suit lapel. He was going to wear it on his sleeve, until someone suggested that might be a little too "on the nose."
If you want points for not using your son's death politically, don't you have to take down all those "Ask me about my son's death in a horrific car accident" bumper stickers? Edwards is like a politician who keeps announcing that he will not use his opponent's criminal record for partisan political advantage. I absolutely refuse to mention the name of my dearly beloved and recently departed son killed horribly in a car accident, which affected me deeply, to score cheap political points.
As Think Progress noted, prior to Coulter's speech, Republican presidential candidate Mitt Romney said, "I'm happy to learn also that after you hear me, you're going to from Ann Coulter. That is a good thing. Oh yeah!" Romney then referenced members of the "mainstream media" whom he said were in attendance:
ROMNEY: I'm happy to learn also that after you hear me, you're going to hear from Ann Coulter. That is a good thing. Oh yeah! Now, I think it's always very important to get the views of moderates. Now, I know there are a few here from the mainstream media, and they're probably surprised that we're here in these record numbers.
During her CPAC speech, Coulter apparently endorsed Romney, saying, "I think he's probably our best candidate":
AUDIENCE MEMBER: What do you think of Governor Romney's candidacy for presidency?
COULTER: What do I think of Governor Romney's candidacy for presidency? I think he's probably our best candidate. I mean, I think it is fair to say -- and this is coming from someone who supported Pete DuPont, Alan Keyes, Pat Buchanan, Steve Forbes. So, you know, it's not like I won't go for an underdog. But I think we have to be serious about this, and I think our choice is among Gingrich, Giuliani, McCain and Romney. And Giuliani is very, very liberal. When this country gets to the point -- I mean, I have a love letter to him in my current book, Godless. What he did for New York was magnificent. But when this country gets to the point where both presidential candidates support abortion, I think we can hang it up as a country.
And McCain, I think has some problems, because everyone who supports him would have to switch party registrations to vote for him. I love Gingrich. I think he's brilliant. He was crucial, the man for his time. We don't know if he's running for president, but assuming he is, I kind of think his time has passed, and I don't know, you know, it could come back again, like '80s music, but I think his time is over. And you have to say about Romney, he tricked liberals into voting for him. I like a guy -- I like a guy who hoodwinks liberals so easily. And also, the one thing that I have a very soft spot for is that I love Mormons. And the reason why I love Mormons, well, among other things, is -- you may have forgotten this -- Bill Clinton in Utah in 1992 came in third in Utah. Now, that's a fine state.
Coulter also touted Romney's position on gay rights, saying:
COULTER: And of course, if you're working for a Republican candidate, you'll meet some nice heterosexual guys. By the way, before I let that slide, I do want to point out one thing that has been driving me crazy with the media, how they keep describing Mitt Romney's position as being "pro-gays, and that's going to upset right-wingers." Well, you know, screw you, I'm not anti-gay. We're against gay marriage. I don't want gays to be discriminated against. I mean, I think we have, in addition to blacks, I don't know why all gays aren't Republicans. I think we have the pro-gay position, which is anti-crime and for tax cuts. Gays make a lot of money, and they're victims of crime. I mean, the way -- no, they are. They should be with us. But the media portrays us. If they could get away with it, they would start saying, you know, "Mitt Romney, he's pro-civil rights, and that's going to upset conservatives." No. OK. Sorry, go ahead.
The incident at CPAC suggests at least two questions:
- Will the media -- including the "mainstream media" figures Romney said attended his speech -- ask Romney whether he will repudiate Coulter's apparent endorsement?
- Will the media ask the other Republican presidential candidates and potential candidates participating in CPAC -- including Rudy Giuliani, Newt Gingrich, Duncan Hunter, and Mike Huckabee -- whether they will seek the votes of the CPAC attendees who cheered Coulter's smear of Edwards?
LOL!!! Gays are rich and victims of crime...so please be a republican't....PRICELESS!!
Y’know what? I couldn’t care less what Coulter called John Edwards (if semi-jokingly) at CPAC or anywhere else because I refuse to allow myself to be suckered into getting angry over her self-absorbed schtick.
Even if Ann waddled up to the Clinton Library, and defecated on the front steps (something I would not put past her), I would simply regard it along with the rest of Coulter’s pathetic bids for attention.
She is a joke. Period.
She loves people who hoodwinks liberals so easily.... yes, Ann 'Have the Dali Lama's head on a platrter by sundown' Coulter loves liars... good to know
I don't know what's more sad: that she actually said it or that people actually applauded her.
Applauded her?! They paid her to be there.
Paid her? Hell, she was one of the TOP DRAWS. It's obvious this kind of language is just voicing what the right truly thinks. Homophobia is a common theme of the conservative agenda.
For shame.
' I'm not anti gay. We're against gay marriage. I don't want gays to be discrim inated against...' That is neocons' values and logic in a nutshell....
She's not "anti-gay", but she just tried to insult Edwards by calling him using an insulting term for gays?!And this comes from a woman who has never had a successful heterosexual relationship?
What a cartoon.
Why is this woman still given a platform to speak?
Even Republicans have to be put off by the stuff that comes out of her mouth.
For a long time I kept seeing references to Coulter's novels as "porno for the right wing"in various blogs, editorials and forums. So I checked out its "Crimes and Misdemeanors" publication. Now I get it, there is everything but a descrioption of the actual act of felatio repeated ad nausem just in the first chapter. The "author" goes out of its way to constantly make snide childish references to the adulterous behaviour. It is deeply troubling to me that any organization other than the Mike "homos make me puke" Savage fan club would invite, much less pay, much less applaud its commentary.
Will you be honest and say the same about the "progressives attack against the right? Have you listened to Air America! or are you just dishonest and a fool?
You do know there IS no lefty equivilent of Anne Gangleskank dont you? Or are you just a moron? Oh, yeah, you are
Vondarrien..The reason she is given a platform is because she is right and you are wrong! But the day will come when the Liberal Marxist Socialist Left will put in prison anyone who speaks out against the left! Mark my words the Left will take our freedom of speech away from Americans! The speech will be labeled as either "Hate Speech" (Different Opinions) and any remarks against the state!
There is no free speech issue here. She has every right to her ignorance and hate spewing. Then WE have every right to tell her what we think of her hatespewing ignorance. Wasnt it BUSH that put up Free speech zones? Us liberals always thought America WAS a free speech zone. She isnt right, she is a horrid creature that embarasses anyone with a sense of decency. She brings shame to all homo sapiens. So do you.
"our freedom of speech"
A load of horse crap. It is, in fact, YOU who cannot tolerate freedom of speech. You've wandered over here from TrollLandia, because you cannot tolerate Media Matters and us exercising our freedom of speech.
You have to be kidding. She is right??? Well, in terms of her politics she is, but so is George Will and he has no respect for her in the least. Watch the link and you'll know you have better reps on the right than Man Coulter.
http://www.crooksandliars.com/2007/03/04/george-will-on-cpac-carnivores-coulter-and-rudy/
It's particularly disturbing that you think a woman who uses terms like 'raghead' when refering to Iranians, who suggested poisoning judges, assassinating Clinton, and has been guily of plagiarism is right, as in correct. These are only a few of her myriad crimes. Nice role-model for young conservatives everywhere.
"been guily of plagiarism" was not true. Crap like this makes the left look dumb.
I think Anne went over the line, but that is just my opinion, she has the right to hers.
Then maybe you have a different definition of plagiarism than the rest of us.
[link to mediamatters.org]
Right-wing paranoia.
Sounds like a troll to me.
The trannies are always jealous of the gays...
Buss666, I know your post was here before Jamesvincent crawled over, but it really worked out nicely.
Isaiah Washington nearly got kicked off the popular "Grey's Anatomy" for using the same f-word behind-the-scenes, in a non-public venue. Coulter uses it in a very public big event and gets applause from the Republican audience, an audience including some bigshot candidates. The media made a huge stink about the Isaiah Washington situation for days. Can we at least expect the mainstream media to ask the Presidential candidates who were at the event with Coulter if they denounce Coulter's words? Or does the mainstream media not hold presidential candidates to the same high standards that they expect from, uhhhh, nighttime soap opera stars?
It was not the first time Coulter has smeared a prominent Democrat with a homophobic epithet
It's not a homophobic epithet, it's slang for homosexual, there's nothing phobic about it.
Edwards is not a homosexual, he's not a f*g or a f*ggot. He's a girly man, and a Breck girl.
Why should Romney have to denounce anything Coulter said? Did Obama need to denounce Geffen remarks?
Get a grip here people.
Wrong, TAZ. Fa**ot is definitely a pejorative term. Nice try, guy.
(Unbelivable, attempting to defend the indefensible.)
Quite right, Taz -- it's not homophobic: it's an offensive and derogatory slur. So it's not so much that Coulter harbors fear of homosexuals as she does disdain for homosexuals.
...Or do you honestly think she meant to use the word in a nice way?
Either way, I'm not sure why you think it would be an overreaction to voice opposition to her remarks. What have you got against speaking out against sexual stereotypes and slurs in public political discourse?
Sheesh... get a grip.
Nice try f^ggot.
Romney doesn't have to distance himself from Anne's remarks at all. If he has a brain in his head, he will though. If by some miracle, Romney gets the nomination, you can bet the Democrats will cudgel him with that remark repeatedly. Or at least they should until Romney shows some decency.
Advising Romney not to distance himself from Coulter is absolutely fool-hardy.
Looks like I am right. Romney is apparently smarter then Taz is (not a big surprise there):
Romney denounces Ann Coulter!
Smart move for Romney.
Here is an interesting take on why Romney's words are meaningless.
"Ho hum. Another year, another CPAC conference, another contrived Ann Coulter Controversy, just like last year. Once again, we get a kabuki dance from movement conservatives who denounce the remarks themselves but neglect to go any farther."
[link to dneiwert.blogspot.com]
Romney doesn't have to distance himself from Anne's remarks at all. If he has a brain in his head, he will though. If by some miracle, Romney gets the nomination, you can bet the Democrats will cudgel him with that remark repeatedly. Or at least they should until Romney shows some decency.
Hey open_mind,
While I can see it being an act of decency if Romney or any of the other GOP candidates denounce Coulter's remarks about Edwards, I'm not altogether convinced that they should be expected to.
Of course I saw no reason for Barack Obama to comment on, or decry Geffen's attack on the Clintons.
Where do we draw the line on expecting candidates or anyone involved in politics to apologize for OTHER peoples remarks, smears, attacks?
Geffen doesn't work for Obama. Coulter is not part of Romney's team.
The only person that should apologize is Coulter.[yeah I know, fat chance]
As far as Coulter's "joke" goes, it wasn't funny, and it certainly was a smear. Now if it had been Barney Frank she was talking about...no no no just kidding!!! ;-)
In the past I've occasionally chuckled at something Coulter has written or uttered. But too often she goes beyond what most of us consider tasteful, and has grown more hateful as time goes by.
I don't believe she honestly speaks for all Conservatives, BUT it's clear she must still be a popular figure among the Right seeing she received an invitation to speak at the CPAC.
Good post as always Jeter. I have no reason to believe Romney would agree with such a statement. My argument was much more about strategy than about any real reason Romney should apologize. This being a perfect world, Romney shouldn't have to apologize at all.
Geffen's remarks and Coulter's were different in a significant way. Although both attacked individuals, Coulter made the mistake of saying something that could offend not just homosexuals, but possibly suburban swing voter women. The only people that would really be upset about Geffen's remarks would likely be staunch Hillary supporters and the Clintons themselves. No real reason for Obama to apologize.
I don't see it as a partisan thing. If Geffen would have potentially offended a group of people he needed to win, I would think he should apologize as well.
This is all about strategy as well, so what we may normally think is a reason to apologize may not hold up in this atmosphere. Romney was smart and did the right thing here.
Actually, the origin of "fagg*t" for gay proves you wrong. It's an allusion to when gays were burns at the stake.
Unless of course, you truly think there's nothing phobic about burning people you don't like.
Right. Coulter calling a straight, married guy a "f*g" isn't homophobic, but John Kerry calling Cheney's lesbian daughter a lesbian is.
Do you righties realize what huge morons you are?
" We don't know if he's running for president, but assuming he is, I kind of think his time has passed, and I don't know, you know, it could come back again, like '80s music, but I think his time is over. "
I realize this is an "off the cuff" (even though it has no cuffs) remark, but hey, all this stuff is rehearsed and planned out, so this is the best they get? They are paying someone that is this lame of a speaker? Oh the happy day when Mitt has to defend the wackiest religion in America, and Rudy gets grilled on the 3 wives. One is a member of a religion that was pressured into flip flopping on polygamy and the other is a sequential polygamist.
Let's not start religion bashing. If we on the left start talking about Mitt's religion we are no better than the kooks that smear anyone who is a Muslim. We should be concerned about a person's actions not the brand of faith they practice.
Mormon scripture is racist.
That chip on your shoulder must be heavy.
Racist, and just fantastical. Do your homework on the LDS. That is one group that has no problem mixing goverment and religion.
Heru,
Most scripture has aspects of it that are hateful. I have friends who are mormons and they treat me love and respect. Once again you should look at the actions of the individual without preconceived thoughts.
"not the brand of faith they practice"
I disagree, the present occupant of the white house would not be there if it was not for faking "faith". By bashing all religions I hope to make faith less of an issue; truth and sience more of an issue.
As Upton Sinclair wrote: when facism comes to America, it will be wrapped in the flag and carrying a cross.
Remind you of anyone????
Oh, I guess Bill and Hillary holding hands walking into church will Bill toting a bible was real.
When someone brings up how Bush nearly choked on a pretzel, are you going to say something snarky about how at least he tried, while Hilary Clinton has never gone on the record as eating pretzels at all?
No. I am obviously not as good at mindreading as you are.
Oh, I guess Bill and Hillary holding hands walking into church will Bill toting a bible was real....by leatherhelmet
Almost everything politicians do in public is a photo-op.
Walking hand in hand carrying a bible. Landing on an aircraft carrier in flight gear with a banner declaring mission accomplished behind ya.
I take it all with a grain of salt ;-)
Pit, I really don't think it's necessary to have a contest for the wackiest religion in America.
Cuz if they start trying to compete, I don't want to be around.
Mr. Bush met Mr. Reid earlier this week at the summit in Monterrey, Mexico, just after the President's breakfast with Mr. Martin.
Mr. Reid was not initially in the hotel room where the two leaders and their closest advisers met, but was called in to brief the Prime Minister at the end as the group waited for the media.
Mr. Bush wandered over during Mr. Reid's chat with the Prime Minister. Mr. Reid introduced himself and shook hands with Mr. Bush.
“Well, what do you do for this guy?” the President asked as he pointed to the Prime Minister.
“Well, you know, sir, I can't really say,” Mr. Reid said. “It's not that I don't want to. It's just that, you know, I don't really know from day to day.”
This is true. Mr. Reid handles a number of files and performs a number of different duties, depending on the issue and the day.
The President chuckled. “Well, you got a pretty face,” he told the surprised Mr. Reid. He wasn't done. “You got a pretty face,” he said again. “You're a good-looking guy. Better looking than my Scott anyway.”
This is true. His Scott has a receding hairline and is on the chubby side, while Mr. Martin's Scott has a full head of hair and is quite fit.
For the first time in his life, Mr. Reid had no reply. “I didn't know what to say,” said Mr. Reid, noting later that he wished that Mr. Bush had referred to him as a “rugged-looking young man or something.
“But I'll take what I can, I guess,” he joked. “When a Texas Republican says you've got a pretty face, then I guess there is just no way around it.”
Keep talking Honey because when the MSM starts quoting you on the National level, the trailer Republicans will finally see that you speaks for the Repubic party. You go girl. Annie BABY, you are the poster child for the R's and those "GOOD" Conservatives let you say what they are thinking. Speak louder Annie and keep backing Nut Gingrich, because he knows how to make money...illegal types of money.
This will come in handy if Rotten Romney gets the nomination. The Democrats should beat it like a drum. Coulter wanted to call Edwards a f*g, at Romney's fundraiser.
I can't wait to hear Howard Kurtz on this, I'm sure he is on top of it like a dog in heat.
*chirp*
Oh, never mind.
Well, for all of the conservatives that whine about "PC" liberals and lefties, this pretty much sums up to me what you really want.
I'm just waiting for Limbaugh or one of the other right-wing bloviators to drop the "N" word on the air or at some function like this because you all know that's where this slippery slope is sliding to..
We used to have tact and respect in this society - you just blew it all to h*ll..
Worse yet, the audience of partisans applauded her.
I wonder how the "faggots" in the audience reacted. Do you think they were cheering Ann on like the rest of the horde?
Why does Crazy Annie persist in referring to men like Al Gore and John Edwards, who have been married to their {female} spouses for 37 and 30 years respectively - and have eight children and two grandchildren between them - as f*ggots?
This is the same bizarre rightwingnut logic that refers to Hillary Clinton - married to the same man for more than 30 years - as a "disgrace to the institution of marriage," in comparison to serial adulterers Rudy Giuliani and Newt Gingrich . . .
How can anyone, anyone at all condone what she said? And yet, we have one of the first people posting on this subject does just that, and tries to "back it up" with a video of Edwards combing his hair or something. Sick, very sick..
She got paid to talk to these folks? Amazing. There are lots of people in that crowd I'm certain who are a lot smarter than that, and who probably don't support her in any way, shape, or form, but of course, there are that do, and you can hear them clapping. Freakin' idiots.
I can't wait to watch Romney try to wash this stain off. Unless he wants to address this video clip in every interview, press conference and media appearance, he's going to need to apply nothing less than the discursive equivalent of boiling water, bleach, and steel wool to Coulter's support of him.
And after the David Geffen flap, any media organization with half a degree of integrity should interrogate Romney's decision to introduce Coulter as "a good thing" with the same degree of intensity shown to Clinton and Obama over Geffen's comments.
As for Coulter, I wholeheartedly affirm the suggestion made in previous posts here: I hope she keeps talking. With support like hers, who needs attack ads?
See, I don't think that this will affect Romney directly, mostly because he didn't say it, and someone else did. There was nothing he could do to prevent it, and it's not a question to him really. Someone might ask him about the comment, and then he can disavow her then, as he, and anyone else should in the republican party. If even they don't see that she is poison to them, then there is trouble for sure. But even though Annie old girl so far supports Romney, he can't apologize for someone else's comments, unless they were maybe working for Romney, which she isn't (I hope, or as far as I know).
Well you might be right. And I agree with you that Romney won't be held to account directly for what Coulter said on her own. However, don't you think it's reasonable for reporters and interviewers to ask him what he was thinking when he introduced her with such enthusiasm and as a "good thing"? She's got a consistent track record when it comes to making these kinds of attacks, and he should know what to expect from her if he's going to introduce her.
So yes, the question to Romney isn't whether or not he disavows Coulter's support; rather, it's whether or not he regrets supporting Coulter with his introduction.
Sadly, this incident will probably never be aired in the MSM. All evidence clearly shows that the 4th estate has ceded its duties and obligations.
Ms. Coulter is clearly a radical agitator who gives voice to the worst elements of the right. Any individual with a sense of decency will distance themself from her and her views. Any sensible institution (are you listening MSM?) will make an effort to expose her inconsistancies, denounce her inflammatory rhetoric and discourage others from following her path.
While I'm making fruitless wishes here are a few more:
World Peace; Victory in the War on Christmas; A laryngectomy for Ms Coulter; A Democratic Party with a backbone; An enlightened, educated, and informed electorate.
Romney will not disavow Coulter at all. If he does, he will offend the exact same Republican base that he's trying to woo.
Ann, go have sex with someone and lighten the heck up. Doctor's orders. Put on your Ilsa, She Wolf of the SS outfit, and go have your fun. Please leave the politics to people of depth...
Ann calls Edwards a f*ggot and the conservatives in the audience applaud. How revolting. Yet, we're supposed to believe that conservatives really aren't bigots. Conservatism was, is and always will be the ideology of hate and oppression.
Glad to see that IRONY 101 has not posted here. Congrats 101, stay the course.
Ann, your 'stalk and paw' bit is not going to work. New material is needed by next week. You can do better than calling someone who has probably broken your heart a stupid name. C'mon Annie, no one picks on your mom.
If liberals have so much influence over the media, why is it that we have to defend anonymous posters on the Huffington Post and Coulter can make the statement before a well established conservative organization with an introduction by a presidential candidate as a paid speaker and there is no mention of it?
Excellent, excellent point.
It takes on to know one, Ann.
Civil discourse is only required of the right. Nancy Pelosi calls the president an idiot, John Kerry calls the troops murderers and rapists, and everyone and their dog on the left call Bush Hitler.
In case you missed it, Ann Coulter is making the larger point that PC has run amok.
Get over yourselves ~ please.
just like mAnn all you have are lies and pure bull
"In case you missed it, Ann Coulter is making the larger point that PC has run amok."
Oh no, no, we got Coulter's point very clearly. Her point (shared by you) is that nowadays, it's sad and unfortunate that she can't address a gathering of Republicans to name-call a Democratic presidential candidate a "f____t" without the "PC" crowd getting all touchy about it.
It has not only been Nancy to call Bush and idiot. But if you are trying to compare calling someone an idiot to a F@#@#! then you must be crazy. Idiot is not a derogatory word for an entire group of people. I guess that is the thing people like you don't get. If she called Roberts a liar or idiot or something like that I would disagree and I would even go as far as saying it could be mudslinging. But it would pale in comparison to using such derogatory terms.
Now for your other comment. I'm so tired of this lie. Kerry never said our troops were murders and rapists. Please show me the quote where he did or shut up. The majority of our troops are great people and Kerry has said this over and over again. Finally, the independents in the middle, who were lied to by people like you, are starting to see you all for what you really are. Liars bent on trying to influence the political process with deceit.
Idiot is what they called mongoloids so it not pc approved.
That's one of the funniest posts you've ever written. Go buy a dictionary.
Go read one. That is what it means. Get educated.
And "gay" once meant happy, and "nice" meant "discriminating", which itself once meant "exclusive" or "having high standards".
But what does a "nice, discriminating gay man" mean today?
You are wrong. You are an idiot, which has absolutlely nothing to do the word "mongoloid," which itself is an offensive term once used to describe those with Down Syndrome.
id·i·ot n. A foolish or stupid person. A person of profound mental retardation having a mental age below three years and generally being unable to learn connected speech or guard against common dangers. The term belongs to a classification system no longer in use and is now considered offensive.
Mon·gol·oid (mŏng'gə-loid', mŏn'-) adj. Anthropology: Of or being a major human racial classification traditionally distinguished by physical characteristics such as yellowish-brown skin pigmentation, straight black hair, dark eyes with pronounced epicanthic folds, and prominent cheekbones and including peoples indigenous to central and eastern Asia. Characteristic of or resembling a Mongol. also, mongoloid: Offensive Of or relating to Down syndrome.
Yes, Kerry did call US troops rapists and murderers in his testimony before Congress:
"They told the stories at times they had personally raped, cut off ears, cut off heads, tape wires from portable telephones to human genitals and turned up the power, cut off limbs, blown up bodies, randomly shot at civilians, razed villages in fashion reminiscent of Genghis Khan . . ."
And let's not forget that he thinks they are all stupid as well. He is the one who insults "an entire group of people" with his malicious lies and it did a lot more damage than just calling one femmy guy a fa***t.
Why don't you all start hyperventilating about something that really matters?
Those things did happen. He was talking about testimony from the Winter Soldier meetings. He never said all the troops were doing this only that it was being done which is indisputable. Since YOU are the one hyperventilating about a TRUTHFUL report more than thirty years old its ironic that you tell someone ELSE to worry about something that matters.
You know as well as anyone that Kerry was trying make it seem that it was the American troops committing genocide rather than the communists in southeast Asia. Out of millions of troops there were the extremely rare ones who did terrible things - just like in any community there are NUTS who go out and murder and rape. He smeared the entire military and this was his BIG LIE about Vietnam. Personally, I wouldn't want that on my conscience, and those of you who perpetuate the lie are guilty as well. You leftists hate the military and you can't fool us by saying you "support" the troops.
Again, it is so important to keep pointing out that you have contempt for the very people who go out every day, risk their lives and protect your right to be an idiot.
And it is so funny that Kerry was tanked for this very subject! You guys need to hitch your star to someone reasonable ~
Say what you want about us on the left. There are plenty of people on the left who have served their country. Are there some people on the left who dislike the military? Yes. Do they represent the majority of the left? NO!!! My friends from ROTC are over there. My friends from home are over there. DON'T TELL ME I HATE THE MILITARY. What have you done to support the troops? Most of the right talk a big game but fall short where it counts. Where was the right when veteran benefits were being reduced buy Bush? Where was the right while veteran hospitals were being run into the ground? And before you ask where the left was don't forget the right has controlled the government for the last six years. Wake up and stop the lies.
Yes, maybe some on the left support the troops, but nearly ALL of the democrat leadership have done everything they can to undermine the troops in Iraq, so don't pretend the the left as a whole loves the troops. You guys vote for these traitors!
What have I done? VOTED FOR THE PEOPLE WHO ARE COMMITTED TO PROTECTING AMERICA. And every day I thank God that there are people willing to go anywhere and do anything ~ even give their very lives ~ to safeguard freedom and to protect me and my family, and this wonderful American way of life.
And this gets back to Edwards. He IS a girly man as so many men on the left are. At this critical junction we need REAL MEN to stand up and do what is right no matter what. I'm afraid your John Kerrys and your John Edwards types just don't make the cut.
All the ReNAMBLAcans have done is try to get as many Americans killed as humanly possible. THAT is who you have voted for. You have your propaganda parrot talking points down, but they dont rise to the level of absurdity
You have voted for men who are hell bent on breaking the military and you are complicit in the dismantling of our armed forces. Our armed forces are stretched sufficiently thin to leave us more vulnerable here at home. And now the men you have voted for are lusting to start full scale thermonuclear war with anyone who looks at us wrong.
No interest of national security is being served by our occupation of Iraq, global warming is a greater threat to global security than was Hussein. Strong foreign policy is so much more than projection of military might. I am looking for the leaders who will coalesce a cooperative global intelligence gathering task force and ferret out terrorist extremists where they lurk and prosecute them as the thug criminals they are. That is why I am a liberal progressive.
Your boys have ravaged the middle class through market fundamentalism. Just let the market sort it out so say the nocons. Well, the market has left real wages stagnant, poverty is surging and the gap between the wealthy and the working poor has ginormasized. We need a moral economy, we need protection of worker's rights. That is why I am a liberal progressive.
Neocons have stolen our country. We and only we the people can take it from their criminal hands.
CLINTON dismantled the military, Iran wants to wipe out America and Israel, Globaloney is your cause, and you are an unabashed communist! There's really no point in trying to teach you anything. Good Luck!
It's Clinton's fault the crops failed, and Clinton caused the milk to curdle, and brought a plague upon my livestock. WITCH! BURN, BURN!
"CLINTON dismantled the military"
Clinton didn't send 3,200 American kids to their deaths in a war based on lies.
You mean the pre-war intelligence that virtually EVERYONE around the world agreed on? Intelligence that Clinton, Hillary, and congress all have access to?
I guess it is easier for you to accept the lying under oath by Clinton if you can pretend that Bush lied to.
You can have your own opinion but you can't have your own facts.
Dense as a plank.
Congress DID NOT have access to all the intelligence. Unbelievable that you people still spew that lie after all this time. Furthermore, Dick and George & Co. cherry-picked the facts that suited their case for War. If you ventured outside of Wingnut Talk World for a minute or two, you just might understand it. But I doubt it. Your arguments work best at places like LGF, where the posters lack any form of critical thought.
To be fair, Dave Chicago, I don't think PMS is lying, it sounds like it listens to a lot of El Rushbo and believes it.
I don't like liars, but I just pity suckers.
You ought to try having SOME facts, they would serve you better than you delusions.
Everyone around the world did NOT buy Bush's lies, nor did Congress have access to the same intelligence Bush did that is just a lie that has been debunked about a hundred times as for the intelligence read it and weep
http://www.sundayherald.com/34271
The British intelligence source said the best Humint(human intelligence from agents) on Saddam was held by the French who had agents in Iraq. 'French intelligence was telling us that there was effectively no real evidence of a WMD programme. That's why France wanted a longer extension on the weapons inspections. The French, the Germans and the Russians all knew there were no weapons there --
You are severely brainwashed and really need to take a break from the kool-aid at least aspire to one day having some dim idea what you are talking about.
"You mean the pre-war intelligence that virtually EVERYONE around the world agreed on?"--pmweste3582
Yes. Like the Russians?
'Putin said, "Fears are one thing, hard facts are another." He goes on to say, "Russia does not have in its possession any trustworthy data that supports the existence of nuclear weapons or any weapons of mass destruction in Iraq and we have not received any such information from our partners yet. This fact has also been supported by the information sent by the CIA to the US Congress."3'
Also this:
'Russian President Vladimir Putin said Iraq presented no danger. The war was a "big political error" that flouted world opinion and international law, he said.
"This military action is unjustified...there has been no answer to the main question which is: are there weapons of mass destruction in Iraq and, if so, which ones," a grim-faced Putin told Russia's top ministers in the Kremlin.
Russian Foreign minister Igor Ivanov on Wednesday said there was "no indisputable evidence" showing Iraq threatened the United States. If there was such evidence, Russia would use "any means available" to eliminate the threat.
But he said "the Security Council today is not in possession of such facts."'
Okay then, the French...maybe?
'French intelligence services did not come up with the same alarming assessment of Iraq and WMD as did the Britain and the United States. "According to secret agents at the DGSE, Saddam's Iraq does not represent any kind of nuclear threat at this time…It [the French assessment] contradicts the CIA's analysis…"5 French spies said that the Iraqi nuclear threat claimed by the United States was a "phony threat."6'
Also this:
'At a major defense conference in Munich this month, French Defense Minister Michele Alliot-Marie and German Foreign Minister Joschka Fischer said the failure to find large unconventional weapons stocks in Iraq had justified their active opposition to the war. Mrs. Alliot-Marie denied claims by National Security Adviser Condoleezza Rice and others that U.S. and British prewar fears about Iraq's weapons were widely shared, saying French analysts had differed from the "Anglo-Saxons" on Saddam's weapons programs.'
Damnit! Okay then. How about Germany?
'...Germany did not find Powell's "evidence" strong enough to support the U.S.'s stance on the Iraqi threat. However, having already questioned the veracity of the dossier and CIA report, they instead concentrated on persuading the international community to continue UN inspections.'
Also this:
'Mr. Fischer, in an address largely devoted to trying to heal the rift with the United States, nevertheless made a clear allusion to Iraq: "Germany feels that events have proved the position it took at the time to be right. We were not and are still not convinced of the reasons for war."'
Sources:
http://www.isis-online.org/publications/iraq/usallieswmd.html
http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/world/iraq/20030320-0955-iraq-un.html
http://www.washingtontimes.com/world/20040216-094812-5466r.htm
Why are you misrepresenting the disagreements about this? Everyone most definitely wasn't in agreement about this as you and Condi would apparently prefer to believe. Far from it.
So, all you have to dismantle an extreme assertion is FACTS. You'll have to do better than that. Got a note from Jesus? Thought not.
Randy
Actually I do have a note from Jesus, however he failed to produce proper ID so I didnt think it credible
I am an American. Just like you.
I love my wife, my baby girl, my family. And I love my neighbors, my town, my country.
I want you to be free as I am free. I have no doubt we are the same in these regards.
I am a liberal progressive because progressive values are traditional American values. I believe all of us regardless of race, religion or orientation have a right to participate equally in our great American experience. We are in this together and looking out for each other made this nation great.
Feel free to disagree.
Call it progressive, call it socialism . . . it's still communism to me.
That is NOT what I want for America.
So, you don't love freedom? You don't care about anyone but yourself? You don't value equal rights?
What, exactly is your vision for America?
Fess up. You're doing satire, lampooning the right. I know many good conservatives and honey you ain't it.
You are a liar and a moron and its a waste of time to try to teach YOU anything. You should rent a brain cell, it will certainly die of lonliness but at least you will know what it was like to have one. Those rightwing talking points, lies really you just regurgitated on our screen are ludicrous on the face of it.
Bush crushed Iraq with the military Clinton left him, and while you are searching for communists under your bed maybe you ought to look for some Iranians too. What an idiot you are. The Cold War is STILL over, you can STILL look it up
Would it still get the deposit back?
I mean, after that rented brain-cell died of lonliness? Someone should check the rental agreement for it, before advising rash actions that might lead to financial liability!
Good point Mea Culpa
"CLINTON dismantled the military"--pmweste3582
Yes. And George Bush was able single handedly to re-build our military in a miraculous 2 years in order to invade and conquer two countries. Now why can't that same amazing Bush administration seem to rebuild Iraq's much smaller army in twice as much time? Hmmmm..... Why is that exactly? How are the stupid liberals so obviously at fault for that again?
Remember what a Republican Congressman said to Al Franken when he quipped about the Clinton/Gore military's success in Afghanistan (which is true because the first Bush/Cheney military budget didn't go into effect till the middle of 2002)?
Eff you.
Those Republicans. What wit!
"What have I done? VOTED FOR THE PEOPLE WHO ARE COMMITTED TO PROTECTING AMERICA."- pmweste3582
The people who were on duty when we experienced the biggest military, intelligence and defense f*ckup in our history? The ones who have spent hundreds of billions of our money creating more terrorists? Thanks.
"And every day I thank God that there are people willing to go anywhere and do anything ~ even give their very lives ~ to safeguard freedom and to protect me and my family, and this wonderful American way of life."- pmweste3582
That's nice for you, that other poeple can go die so you're comfortable.Do you consider that supporting the troops? I consider it cowardice.
And this gets back to Edwards. He IS a girly man as so many men on the left are. At this critical junction we need REAL MEN to stand up and do what is right no matter what. I'm afraid your John Kerrys and your John Edwards types just don't make the cut.- pmweste3582
Girly men- the ones who actually go to war. Not like you , Bush and his pansy pals Cheney, Rumsfeld, etc, who stay home and admire the REAL MEN who go to war.You're quite a piece of work, pmweste.Would you call yourself a "real man"?
My goodness you really are a moron. I mean world class dumb. No I actually know the OPPOSITE. Kerry was doing no such thing. I have read the ENTIRE testimony he gave. He made a point to admit that he also did things which constituted warcrimes and blamed SPECIFICALLY the POLICIES. Its not really my fault you are too stupid to get information from written material. The left is who really cares about the soldiers as opposed to the lets get as many Americans killed as we possibly can rightwingnuts. Who couldnt care less about them except as OFU, as George the smarter called them, that is one fodder unit. You warmongers PRETEND to care about them right into the grave. The left isnt anti soldier that is just a lie that only the very simpleminded and completely brainwashed take seriously. It also was NOT A LIE. These actions were documented in the Winter Soldier meetings the transcript of which was sent to the Pentagon which never refuted a word of it and in the NATIONAL ARCHIVES see Nicholas Turses documentation of every specific Kerry cited IN THE NATIONAL ARCHIVES. As for hitching our star to someone reasonable hey you guys hitched yours to Chimpy McShortbus, take your own advise.
You mean the winter soldier meeting where testimony of at least one soldier was coerced by Kerry himself?
If Kerry committed war crimes then he should be in jail. Although it is kind of funny that you actually nominated a man who has admitted to war crimes.
Yes, I hitched my wagon to Bush and he has not disappointed. He is standing by what is right in this fight and in the end America, Iraq and the entire middle east will be better for it.
In case you were not aware ~ in war some people do die.
Can you cough up some evidence Kerry coerced Winter Soldier Testimony? Oh you cant? What a shock. There were about 150 soldiers that testified and as I said documentation also has been shown from the National Archives so did Kerry coerce the National Archives? Man you are delusional.
Kerry committed the kind of war crimes that were POLICY. If he were prosecuted hundreds of others should have been too. Of course it might have been better to just hold those responsible for the POLICIES accountable. Free fire zones, are a warcrime, bombing dikes is a war crime. We actually hung one of the Nazis for ordering the bombing of dikes in Holland.
Yeah Bush has been a treasure. Lying us into a war, no bid contracts to Halliburton. Acting like he is Pharoah. Trying to cut veterens benifits. Your delusions about how well things are going in the middle east and that the war in Iraq are making things better there are about par for your fantasy world course. You have of course lost ALL touch with reality. People like you ought to avoid voting at all costs. You really ought to leave Planet Wingnut and visit us on Planet Earth someday.
If you cared about the soldiers you would understand that they WANT TO WIN THE WAR!
I don't think you understand the mentality of giving yourself to a cause greater than yourself. These brave men and women do, and I and am grateful for it.
They signed up to do a job. Thye deserve our support, not just some lousy resolution giving the enemy more hope, and making their job even harder!
There are some things worth fighting for and if you don't think so then go live somewhere else. Your freedom apparently means precious little to you.
Yeah like they are fighting in Iraq for my freedom rather than Halliburton profits. How would that work. Are they stopping the Iraqis from building rafts and floating across the Atlantic Ocean and taking over the US? Your delusions are ludicrous. I DO support the troops unlike YOU. YOU support getting as many of the killed as possible. See the way I see it they sign up to protect our country and give up all rights to question the mission. The ONLY mechanism that exists to stop them from being used cheaply by an unscrupulous politician like Bush lying to take them to a war, for anything less than what is crucial to our country is PUBLIC OPINION. I am doing MY part to protect THEM as they signed up to protect ME. I wish warmonger morons like YOU would get out of MY good country. I think you ought to go live in Guatemala where your black fascist heart would fit right in.
"I don't think you understand the mentality of giving yourself to a cause greater than yourself."
But you do? You haven't done anything except vote for Bush. Do you really think that's giving to a cause?
We have strayed from the point of the article. I teach high school and it's not okay to use vulgar language like "f*gg*t" in my classroom. Leaving all PC accusations aside, can't we at least expect grown adults to be able to disagree without resorting to vulgarity?
By the way, while I appreciate that Ms. Coulter can inspire even the most polite people to post vitriol, was it really necessary to use the word "c*nt" even if it was only to make a point? Let's not sink to her level. There's plenty to criticize without descending to such language and/or criticizing the way someone looks.
John Kerry did not smear the entire military. His testimony wasn't an indictment of those who fought the war but of the leaders of our military and our government.
We did horrible things in Vietnam. The Vietcong did horrible things in Vietnam. The NVA did horrible things in Vietnam. Each side was guilty.
You don't get to rewrite history, pal.
I'm not a pal, I'm a gal.
So if you just equalize the 2 sides then we're both evil, huh? You are the one trying to rewrite history. If it were'nt for the anti war movement and Walter Cronkite, we would have won the war ~ AND MILLIONS OF PRECIOUS LIVES WOULD HAVE BEEN SAVED! I happen to think that FREEDOM is worth fighting for.
But, I guess if you don't think there's anything wrong with communism then we're not on the same moral level, and we really don't have anything to say to each other.
You know nothing of the history of Indochina. You've bought into the wingnut world response to our loss in Vietnam.
We didn't lose because of our troops, we didn't lose because of the anti-war people ad we didn't lose because of Walter Cronkite.
We lost because our government lied about the reasons for fighting the war. They neglected the men in the field, they neglected the vets and they never understood that we were fighting a determined enemy who had nothing to lose.
Our leaders underestimated our enemy and overestimated what our technology could accomplish.
And I don't have to rewrite the history of the War in Vietnam, I lived it.
Hey Worrierking- I just had to say how much I love when you Vets show up to straighten out these pants-wetting Republo-Zombie selfish cowards who are still spooked about the Reds.
Thank again, Sir.
You're welcome HBL.
Since I have your attention, I'd like to know if you'd be interested in investing in my new product. It's an all day adult diaper with the image of the flag on it.
This way our NeoCon friends won't have to bother wrapping themselves in the flag at the appropriate time. They can always feel warm and secure.
Sounds like a winner, King. I'll see if I can shift some of my measly 401(K) over.
May I suggest a couple of those stars and stripes pinwheels on the back that would spin wildly as the wearer ran away from the Reds?
How about "These Colors Don't Run ! They absorb!" written across the butt?
I like it, I like it. We'll need a name for our venture. I was going to buy lottery tickets on Tuesday but the prize is only $340 million, a pittance compared to what we're going to make. I'll be investing the three bucks in our endeavor instead.
Exactly how is it freedom to invade a country because THEY wanted to run THEIR country in a way WE didnt approve of? Of did you mean they were free to do what we told them? Hey what YOU think of communism really isnt relevant the question is did THEY have a right to run THEIR economy the way THEY wanted to without US invading them because WE didnt approve of communism. I guess the question is answered to YOU freedom for other countries is the freedom to do what we tell them to do. An absolutly bizarre definition of freedom but in keeping with the delusionals you spew regularly. Like the idea the VC were just about to give up in 1971 and the peace movement saved them. Yeah, if warmongers like you had your way we would STILL have soldiers dying in Vietnam.
Cry, rightard, cry. Cry because people realize that your horrible bitch of a spokesthing, just like you, is a racist, hateful bigot. Cry because you get called on this garbage. CRY, YOU LITTLE BOY, CRY.
You are a liar, cough up where Kerry called the troops murderers. The rightwing threw fits when Pelosi called Bush an idiot and when did ANY Democrat of stature, not people on a message board, call Bush Hitler? You are a liar. Stop lying. This is so typical. The rightwingnuts hate it that they are not given the exclusive franchise on personal attacks. Your post was weak either step up your game or go back to freerepublic and snivel with the losers.
"In case you missed it, Ann Coulter is making the larger point that PC has run amok."
So you are saying it's ok to make jokes about homosexuals? That is "amok"?
OK, I'm getting really tired of this phantom "PC" boogeyman that conservatives claim to be fighting valiantly. It's a lovely rhetorical ploy to claim that you NEED to insult someone's sexuality in order to combat censorship but it lacks the virtue making sense.
If Coulter is fighting for anything, it's not freedom of expression. She has all the freedom in the world to insult people however she likes. She wants something more: she wants to insult people without fear of criticism. She's fighting for a return to a time when intolerance was better tolerated.
Is Annie even married? Does she have a boyfriend? Somebody needs to look into this. All we have to do is find her lesbian lover and no more Coltergist!
It does seem the MSM needs to be trying to get responses from candidates who allow themselves to be associated with her, CPAC, and anti-gay themes in general.
the real travesty in all this isnt what she said cuz we all expect this kind of bigotry from miss cliterectomy. The real shame we should all have is for the major news corp. which completly let this slide. unlike Kerry this wasnt a botchedjoke. it was prepared and delivered with confidence. Wonder how much of a laugh shed have gotten if shed called Obama a Ngger?
GRHINO....don't worry, none of us here will vote for Bill Clinton this time around...OOPS, he is not running, sorry.
So you condemn Sen. Clinton for staying in a marriage in which she WAS NOT the adulterer. The only reason being a political career. Don't you think for one minute that she could have played the victim and garnished sympathy from women? Obviously, if she would have divorced him your Beautiful people would have blasted her for destroying family values.
GR, you can't have it both ways or you will be called a Bi-Repuglican. You would want that on your permanent record.
I would ignore Miss Coulter as an ignorant bigot, but this is what many people did when Hitler spewed his hate rhetoric. If the Republican party wants to regain any of the ground they have lost, they would be wise to distance themselves from such hate mongers. The people of the United States are far too intelligent to be fooled any longer by the smokescreen of hate. As my grandma used to say, "If someone has to tell you how much better they are than someone else, they probably have something to hide." The REAL issues are what will decide the upcoming election. Meanwhile, "Heil, Coulter!"
I wonder what Giuliani and McCain have to say about Coulter's "fa99ot" comments towards Edwards.
Adolescent boys use homosexual epithets to discredit other males and defend their own manhood. If a kid likes Lynyrd Skynyrd and someone tries to turn him on to Elvis Costello, he'll say, "Elvis Costello is a f*g," or "He's so gay." His friends giggle at the comment, because, you know, he said "f*g." They don't really think he's a homosexual, necessarily, but it makes them feel superior and frees them of the obligation to think about anything outside their bubble. They then dismiss the issue and proceed with their ignorance intact.
This is Ann Coulter's basic M.O. Her level of intellect appears to be roughly equivalent to that of a 13-year-old boy. If anyone challenges her fragile philosophy, she lashes out, tries to take a chunk of flesh, all in order to defend her masculinity. When someone scolds her, she pleads, "I was just joking." Alas, all the adults in the room fail to recognize her comedic gifts. They just think she's pathetic.
(Note: "F*g" is neither fig nor fog.)
Ann Coulter menstruates acid.
I'm sorry, can somebody please refresh my memory? What was it that Ann Coulter said about her buddy Rush Limbaugh when he was caught with someone elses dope while returning from his Viagra sponsored "all guy trip" from the Dominican Republic? The same Rush Limbaugh who has been divorced three times as opposed to Ann's latest target John Edwards who much to his credit boasts a highly successful multi-decade betrothel to the same woman.
Oh that's right, she didn't say anything at all about Rush and his trip to the child sex-trade center of the world. But since then she's been known to refer to Rush as a "real man." I guess Ann's perception of what a real man is pretty much falls right in line with her perception of everything else she comments on.
She's nothing more than a walking cartoon show whose content is devoid of any similarity to reality and in complete deference to compassion or rationale. She falls off the cartoon cliff time and time again with her stupid remarks then we see her again in the next scene wearing that same smelly black dress without a scratch on her.
Keep talking Ann there are still a few people out there who haven't figured out what an absolute loon you are.
Troll Alert
Though it's hard not to react to outrageous comments that are obviously fueled by propaganda and ignorance. I say let the trolls on these threads die a natural death. There is no point in their posting here, except for their own sick confused purposes.
There's plenty of sites they can go to to keep the hate speech going and feed thier ignorance, they certainly don't come here to be informed oe engage in any kind of dialouge around view points.
Here once again Media Matters fulfills the mission of it's own site- by informing us of the misinformation being spewed ad nauseum by the hate mongers in this country.
There's no defense of what AC said about John Edwards in this very public forum. Even if the man was gay, which he obvioulsy is not. It was just meant to degrade, ridicule, and smear him. And of course has the added bonus of slamming men (and woen) who are gay. AC ooozes hate out of every pore. Shrill? Doesn't even begin to capture her brand of madness.
John Edwards has more intregity in a strand of his hair than Coulter could ever hope for. She's in need of some serious intervention.
It's a sad state of our political culture as a whole that such a hatemonger is given any kind of platform.
And Media Matters is right to question whether she will continue to get the kind of free publicity and public forum on regualr and cable stations, other than Faux, which apparently has no journalistic standards.
And every crediable Republican candidate should ludly denounce her statement. Mitt Romney should demand she publically aplogize.
OK, JamesVincent, fess up . . . where'd you cut and paste that BS above from? Wait, let me guess . . . FreeRepublic? LGF? Stormfront?
MJH, I listen to Rush Limbaugh pretty often, and this is all his material I'm pretty sure.
Liberals go around calling Ann Coulter a transvestite and making fun of her for having an Adam's Apple, and then they're upset that she calls metrosexual Edwards a f----t? Absolutely astounding. All you have to do is browse Media Matters to find people calling Ann Coulter "Man Coulter" or a "tranny." So let's not whine about needing to "elevate the level of discourse."
Who's whining? Posters here respond to the incrediable level of hate and smear that spews out of Coulter's mouth.
Did I miss something John Edwards said about Coulter?
Her "remarks" are completely inflamatory- and the public forums she's been given like the free air waves, not to mention the conservative pac this article posters are responding to- being intorduced by Mitt Romney- a Republican presedidentil candidate.
You don't see the differnce between anoymous posters here, and AC's endless campaign tokeep herself in the news?
Come on. As far as I know no one here is wrting a book on AC- and then making the circuit rounds of network, cable, and radio shows.
She's just a piece of trash. Yep. I base that opinon on the words that come out of her mouth.
So all of a sudden, homophobic remarks are okay, as long as they come from anonymous posters from MM? The point was that people are condemning Ann for these "homophobic" and "awful" remarks, but this is really just the same schtick as any leftie on this site -- name-calling. All Ann is doing is taking you guys' act to the stage.
No she isnt, she started it. I personally dont like the gender remarks about Coultergiest. She however started throwing the mud and to hear the right snivel that she is getting back, from anonymous posters on a website what she gives out on NATIONAL TV is laughable. She brings nothing to the table BUT insults and rude rhetoric so why does she deserve better? IF she ever made a point we could refute it but she doesnt, its just all vitriol all the time so if she wants to throw mud she needs to expect mud back. I just love the way you dont seem to mind HER attacking Edwards on national TV but its just so terrible that we are saying bad things about her. IF you punch someone in the nose, they are not as culpable for punching you back. Coulter tossed out the gauntlet we just picked it up. Also the generalization is wrong. Not ANY lefty on this site engages in the genderbender rhetoric. Personally I just dont think the transgendered crowd deserves to be smeared by associating them with a thing like Coulter. She is an embarassment to our entire species
No, You mised the point.
MM posoted the smear- that came straight out of AC's mouth at a public conservative Republican PAC event-
They were there to check out the Republican presidential candidates.
AC uses such "bully" pulpits to self-promote and appeals to "bottom" feeders such as herself- only they don't get the fre PR.
They just stay ignorant.
AC has been denounced bty Romney, ( a liitle late), McCain, and Guliiani- but her 15 minutes of fame apparnetly are still not over.
This cuture has a "market" for hate.
Posters here are sharing thier views on the "news of the day" MM posts- that in fact are flawed, lies, or smears like AC's.
I'm sure if you tried hard you would "get the differnce".
If you don't see it- then why do you even come to this site?
"All you have to do is browse Media Matters..."
How idiotic.
You're equating Coulter---a well-known, widely-read, influential author, columnist, media figure, right-wing spokesperson, and TIME magazine cover girl---with some anonymous totally obscure commenters on a web forum?
Please: go back to your fellow trolls; you're way out of your depth.
To DAVEfromChicago," Thank you, I resemble that anonymous remark.
I think Coulter's rabid, hateful, visceral, etc... comments are a cry out for something.... something like... SOME GOOD LOVIN! Shes a sex-deprived lunatic who needs to be tamed. Stay with me now.. I think you know where I'm going with this!
I say one of us "liberals" have to make a sacrifice for the benefit of our party and the human race in general! Who amongst us are willing to "stand up" to save the world?
Catch22, Dtrain. The amount of booze necessary to get the spirit willing would render the flesh incapable.
Sorry, I am usuall willing to take one for the team but what you ask is cruel and unusual punishmen. I would rather spend the summer vacationing at Abu Ghraib with Lyndie England
Personally, I think that the poor woman needs a good sandwich a whole lot more than she needs sex. First things first.
Actually, I take her scary, skeletal figure to be the one indication that Coulter might have some unconscious awareness of her horrible behavior. If knew that I was that venomous and hateful, I'd have a hard time keeping food down, too.
How how. how is this woman still being taken seriously? She speaks in front of a group of adults and uses language more suited to a group of fifth graders. A stoned monkey could come up with more articulate and less phony answers than this woman comes up with. She knows NOTHING about politics or even civil discourse. Sadly this is the norm in conservative circles 1. criticize Democrats 2. claim to be a good Christian and if all else fails 3. find a way to blame (insert problem) on Bill Clinton.
I can't wait to see what her buddy and fellow good Christian Sean Hannity has to say about this. Fifty bucks says he defends her.
Trying to get this past the dictionary censor. I said, Ms. Coulter is what we used to unkindly refer to, in the old, bad dead past, as something that rhymes with "rag bag."
If homophobia was really her pet peeve along with Godless liberals why does she stand toe to toe with them?
Ted Haggert? Admitted Gay and and the florida Petafile Senators? How about all those jail bird Senators who stole our money? All HMMMM Republican. How about that wonderful Republican charactor from the Christian Coalition? How about that VP and his pregnant GAY daughter? These are her Buddies now?
Was Cheney's daughter sitting in the audience? Was she cheering Ann's revelation abour Edward's faggdom?
I can't beleive that She still draws a crowd, but of course who really is in the crowd. Oh Yeh, those Godless, Homophobic hypocrites.
I keep telling all my republican friends "the proof is in the pudding" and the republican pudding is tasting pretty moldy right now. Right along with Ann Coulter's recipe.
Obviously there are people out there that Love the taste of Moldy Pudding and lap it up right along with Bill O'Reilly's stale bread.
Well said Huntington :) !
Ann Coulter pees standing up
Equal parts homophobia and slander. And I would take the "rehab" angle more seriously if not for the fact that nobody has gone into rehab for speaking a word. Overt homosexual behavior and alcoholism, yes. Words, no. I get the anti-PC message embedded in this. But that is lost in the slanderous hate.
Someone check this "woman's" DNA. Yep, pure demon. Oh, Buffy...
Randy
This afternoon (Sunday) CNN had one of their phony "debates" on the latest Ann Coulter incident, with a man speaking for the Democrats and a woman speaking for the Republicans. The "neutral" host repeatedly tried to jump in to defend Ann Coulter.
Dem: "All you heard was applause at that conference when Coulter made her 'Edwards is Gay' comment.."
Rep: "You heard some boos too."
Dem: "No, there was no booing.."
Rep: "Well.."
Host: "Wasnt the laughter...wasnt it basically 'nervous laughter,' like 'Oh my gosh I cant believe what she just said."
Rep: "Yes."
(Later:)
Host: "I mean, Ann Coulter..she's a sparkplug. She's Very bright. I've met her, she's...she's a very bright woman."
At no point is it mentioned that Ann Coulter's "joke" concerning Edwards are part of a pattern- recently she referred to Clinton as "gay" and Gore as a "total f-g" (apprently if I use the whole word, Media Matters wont let me post.)
All these media whores constantly take it upon themselves to defend Coulter. This is just ridiculous. Edwards hires two bloggers who once said anti-Catholic things on their blogs, and he's hounded into firing them. Ann Coulter makes one obnoxious, hateful comment after another, and she's called "smart" and "very bright," and gets more invitations to appear on TV. Where's the demand for Romney and the other participants of this meeting to denounce Coulter? Dont hold your breath.
Here's your Republican party.
I thought Edwards didn't ultimately fire those bloggers. (?) Haven't followed the story closely, I admit, but I'd thought he changed his mind...
Didn't fire them, but "in the interests of the campaign", they both quit (Monday, and Tuesday, best of my memory). I continue to visit Pandagon and Shakespeare's Sister, regardless - both are a compelling combination of attitude and ability!
Ah, gotcha. Thanks! Glad Edwards didn't run the risk of appearing to cave to pressure.
Here's a conservative who normally doesn't impress me in the least, but he obviously proves the comforting fact that not all conservatives approve of Coulter. I may not like the guy most of the time, but his short but telling remark about the blond rail thin witch is great.
http://www.crooksandliars.com/2007/03/04/george-will-on-cpac-carnivores-coulter-and-rudy/
I hope all those who take issue with people in this forum joking about Coulter's gender will pay attention to the pronoun that George Will chooses when referring to Coulter in his remarks.
What's good for the goose...
Edwards fired the bloggers when it became clear that the "Liberal Media"had no intention of letting the story go.
Of course, the only result of the Coulter story will be more invitations to appear on more cable news shows, and higher speaking fees.
Actually, they both quit: Pandagon, on Monday; Shakespeare's Sister, on Tuesday, the week of the media firestorm, best of my memory. "For the good of the campaign".
Oh the liberal media double standards.Media Matters makes a big deal about Ann but says nothing about Bill Maher saying he was sorry the VP did'nt get killed.
So you support Ann's comments then or ?
Can you send a link to what Bill M said as I'm intrested in reading it or are we suppose to just take your word for it?
Hey MKH,
Here's a link to YouTube.
I think Mayer was arguing more that Huffington should have left the posts up by her readers saying they wished Cheney had died than suggesting that he wished the VP had been killed. Though he [Mayer] did state that fewer would have died IF Cheney wasn't in power. Could have been a backhand way of saying he agreed with the posters maybe...Listen and come to your own conclusions I guess.
http://youtube.com/watch?v=NGsHB7Hjpi4
Jeter,
As far as I am concerned, we need to deal with exact quotes. Anyone can put words in Maher's mouth by paraphrasing what they think he meant. Bigwhi_9132 asserted that "Bill Maher sa[id] he was sorry the VP did'nt get killed." Maher simply never said that from what I can see. Any attempt to say what Maher is thinking or what he really means is pure speculation and mindreading. It is odd to see so many take it as a fact.
Conversely, it is important to point out Coulter is being attacked here for what she actually said, not for what people think she thinks.
Hey open_mind,
I listened/watched the video twice and Mayer never actually said he wished that Cheney had gotten blown off the face of the earth. I do think he may have been implying [with a wink] that had such a thing happen other lives would be spared with Cheney not in power. So he seemed to agree with what had been posted. But again it's up to interpretation. Coulter's remark was out there for all to hear...no guessing about what she meant.
But the bottom line is he himself did not repeat what many of the posters on Huffington said.
I read some of the posts before they were deleted. Pretty hateful stuff.
There is nothing quite like a hopelessly single woman who is pushing 50 labelling every guy on Earth gay.
MHK-I'm just pointing out the liberal double standard.Bill Maher said it on a recent show of his 'RealTime'.If you have on demand go back and watch the show.
He has also called the RNC chairman gay.Wheres the outrage??
The RNC chairman is gay. I bet Maher didn't call him a f*ggot.
So, when can we expect Coultergeist to head into rehab - not only for calling at least a fourth major Democratic figure gay, but for her defense of the indefensible Newt?
When directed to a gay man, the term "f*g is obviously
derogatory, however for the last 15-20 years it is more often used as a term to insult a man’s “manliness” – not his sexual preference.
You guys kill me. When two guys have anal sex in front of their classmates as part of “Contemporary Art”, or a crucifix is covered with elephant crap and put on display, all I hear is “Freedom of Speech”! But, let someone be called a f*g, and you guys lose your mind….unbelievable hypocrites.IceDog,
It's called Selective Outrage. If what offends YOU doesn't offend THEM... well you get what I'm saying eh?
If you're gonna post here you'll run across it from time to time.
You'll get used to it. I have.
I don't recall anyone saying Anne's freedom of speech should be restricted.
I must have missed that one as well. I guess we have spotted yet another bonafide strawman argument.
Kinda like that "anal sex in front of classmates" thing. Don't remember hearing about that either. But it sure sounds outrageous, and really helps undergird a strawman.
Yeah. I think this guy must have been a part of a different crowd than mine at College. But, hey...To each his own. Right?