On Imus, McGuirk said that "bitch" Clinton will "have cornrows and gold teeth"
On the March 6 edition of MSNBC's Imus in the Morning, executive producer Bernard McGuirk said that Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton (D-NY) was "trying to sound black in front of a black audience" when she gave a speech on March 4 in Selma, Alabama, to commemorate the 1965 "Bloody Sunday" civil rights march. McGuirk added that Clinton "will have cornrows and gold teeth before this fight with [Sen. Barack] Obama [D-IL] is over." Earlier in the program, in reference to Clinton's speech, McGuirk had said, "Bitch is gonna be wearing cornrows." McGuirk also said that Clinton will be "giving Crips signs during speeches." The Crips are a Los Angeles-based street gang.
Later, host Don Imus brought up McGuirk's prior impersonations of African-American poet Maya Angelou asking, "[W]ho was that woman you used to do, the poet? ... We used to get in all that trouble every time you'd do her." As McGuirk launched into the impersonation, Imus said, "I don't need any more columns. Come on." But Imus did not stop McGuirk, who delivered his impression in verse:
McGUIRK: Whitey plucked you from the jungle for too many years
Took away your pride, your dignity, and your spears
[...]
McGUIRK: With freedom came new woes
Into whitey's world you was rudely cast
So wake up now and go to work?
You can kiss my big black ass
While it is unclear which specific "columns" Imus had in mind, columns have appeared in New York's Newsday and The News & Observer of Raleigh, North Carolina, deriding the program for its treatment of Angelou.
Newsday's Les Payne reprinted a letter from black students at Villanova University to Imus' wife, Deirdre, in an April 23, 1995, column. The letter called McGuirk's impersonation of Angelou "highly offensive." A May 30, 1996, column in The News & Observer described another exchange involving Angelou:
As the show's resident racist, Bernard allows Imus to remain above the fray. When he wants to.
For instance, they recently discussed poet Maya Angelou, who said she no longer watched "Jeopardy" because the TV show seldom had black contestants.
The reason for that, Bernard opined, is because "Jeopardy" doesn't recruit contestants in prisons or have an affirmative action recruiter. Imus' response? A feeble, insincere "Stop that."
Despite these prior protests, McGuirk's MSNBC.com bio touts his Angelou impersonation, describing him as "the program's quick-witted on-air contributor" and "the voice and creator of such recurring characters as the famous Cardinal O'Connor, The Champ, and Maya Angelou."
In 2000, the program's treatment of African-Americans also drew the ire of Chicago Tribune columnist Clarence Page. Appearing on the show, Page asked Imus to pledge to "cease all simian references [to] black athletes" and "references to noncriminal blacks as thugs, pimps, muggers, and Colt 45 drinkers." Imus responded, "I promise to do that." Page went on to ask that Imus put "an end to Amos 'n Andy cuts, comparison of New York City to Mogadishu, and all parodies of black voices," at which point Imus said, "I think Bernard should be doing this." As co-host Brook Gladstone noted on the August 18, 2001, edition of National Public Radio's On the Media, Imus' pledge "was inevitably and immediately broken."
Further, a June 7, 2001, article in New York's Daily News explained that Imus had fired sports announcer Sid Rosenberg because, according to the article, Rosenberg had "called Venus Williams an 'animal' and said it was more likely the [Williams] sisters would be featured in National Geographic than in Playboy, adding that his remarks were not racist, just 'zoological.' " As Media Matters for America has noted, MSNBC apologized in 2004 when Rosenberg said that Palestinians were "stinking animals."
The Daily News article quoted Imus as saying, "Things are said on this program all the time that are inappropriate and in poor taste" and that "it's an attempt to be humorous, not a serious analysis of someone's status." Imus added, "If we make fun of Maya Angelou because she sounds a certain way, that's fine." However, the article also quoted Imus as saying that Rosenberg's comments were "just a moronic thing to say."
As Media Matters has noted, McGuirk has referred to Obama as having "a Jew-hating name." McGuirk also directed the phrase "Besa mi culo," which loosely translates to "kiss my ass" in Spanish, at Gov. Bill Richardson (D-NM), whose mother is Mexican.
From the March 6 edition of MSNBC's Imus in the Morning:
IMUS: They're trolling for votes on the bridge in Selma. But this -- but her affecting this Southern accent. Do you -- I mean, how does no one find that just repulsive?
CHARLES McCORD (co-host): And it was bizarre. It was weird.
McGUIRK: She's really trying to sound black.
IMUS: Pardon me?
McGUIRK: She's trying to sound black.
IMUS: I mean it's just -- I --
McGUIRK: Bitch is gonna be wearing cornrows before --
IMUS: I mean, you just can't make it up, can you?
[...]
McGUIRK: She's just trying to sound black in front of a black audience. As opposed to sounding Southern. She was pandering.
McCORD: You think?
McGUIRK: She'll have cornrows and gold teeth before this fight with Obama is over.
IMUS: Oh, my God, I mean --
McGUIRK: She'll be giving Crips signs during speeches.
IMUS: That's crazy, isn't it?
McCORD: Yes.
IMUS: What do you have, Lou [Rufino, program engineer]? Let me hear what you have.
RUFINO: I think it's the beginning of the first thing they have, but I could play it again.
McGUIRK: "I don't feel no ways tired."
IMUS: It sounded like she was --
ROB BARTLETT (regular contributor): Esther Rolle from Good Times.
IMUS: Or who was that woman you used to do, the poet?
ALL: Maya Angelou.
IMUS: Yeah. We used to get in all that trouble every time you'd do her.
McGUIRK: That's right.
Whitey plucked you from the jungle for too many years
Took away your pride, your dignity, and your spears
IMUS: I don't need any more columns. Come on. But, I mean, that's --
McGUIRK: With freedom came new woes
Into whitey's world you was rudely cast
So wake up now and go to work?
You can kiss my big black ass
This passes for entertainment?
Are you kidding me?!
MSNBC need to call them on this one.
IF Keith Olbermann doesn't give this guy a Worst Person In The World award MMFA should call him on it.
I hope he does, but I don't think it's going to happen. I am all but certain that Keith Olberman who recently signed a new four year contract with MSNBC has been contractually restrained from attacking the morons from the Imus show or any other MSNBC personality; and this certainly presents a credibility problem for both Olberman and MSNBC.
Hey Lynn,
You're probably right, too bad though because I'm betting Olbermann would want to. I can't believe how much I've grown to like this guy[I only really started watching him around last years elections] and I admire his tell it like it is style.
This Bernie McGuirk has been around for awhile & appears to have a history of offensive remarks. While he's free to make them, I'm wondering WHY so many politicians, Republican or Democrat, continue to appear on Imus. I can't believe they don't know about this guy.
I don't listen to Imus, but just from what I've read here, IF I were a politician, I'd avoid the show.
Good work BTW bringing this to MMFA attention :-)
Thanks Bernie, for helping to ensure that Republicans get zero black votes.
(Good catch, Lynn!)
And when Bernie calls VP Cheney a war criminal does he get any of votes back?
I don't think calling Cheney a war criminal will encourage more than zero black people to vote Republican.
No but the point is they spew hate toward anyone and could care less about party affiliation.
The difference is that Cheney is a war criminal. I've never seen Hillary with cornrows.
hate is hate .
It's not hate. A war criminal has a specific definition. Both Bush and Cheney started a "war of aggression" amongst other crimes. If international law was followed, they would be brought up on charges.
George Bush declared a war of aggression in contravention of article II, paragraph 4 of the Charter of the United Nations, which upon ratification by the Senate became United States law.
Bush is a war criminal by US and international law. You may not like the term, but it doesn't change the facts.
While that is true, and I definitly think Bush and Cheney are war criminals. I think the international law argument is stronger. If the Nuremberg precedent were followed they would be hung. The reason is the Constitution says that treaties become the Supreme law of the land EQUAL TO federal law. That the newer law will take precedent. It can be argued that the IWR superceded the treaty. Not clearcut, but it puts it in a grey area. The international case is clearcut. Even Paul Wolfowitz admitted that.
You've made an excellent observation.
The average citizen of the United States has no idea what is contained in the treaties he/she is having being signed up to, AND that treaty law trumps U.S. law.
Thank you. Yes if it is NEWER. Actually treaties are on an equal footing with Federal law. Whichever is newer takes precedence, so yes in this way it trumps the law.
Nerzog,
She WOULD do any hairstyle if it meant a net gain of votes over an opponent.
Her current androgenous hairstyle is pretty safe, so her handlers won't want to advise her to take any hard-to-quantify risk.
BALD might work tho'...
Rusty...
how is Bernie perceived as speaking for all Whites? 'Cause he's white?
Bernie isn't speaking for all whites.
Great job Lynn
I know we discussed part of that yesterday, I did not hear the entire hate filled speech. I will ask again, why does MSNBC allow this type of hate on its airwaves? Why do many good Democratic members of the Senate speak with the Hatemonger Imus. I know Imus also spews his hate toward Republicans , my issue is its pure hate regardless of party affiliation.
Doris,
I don't know. Imus does interviews with prominent politicians, serious journalist, and politcal commentators;most of the time the interviews are via phone. Maybe they don't listen to the show until it's time to call in and then they don't listen to the remainder of the show.
They have to know. It is very disturbing. I have written to Chuck Schummer also asking him to stop appearing on the show. I also plan on asking Biden, and Dodd but I doubt I will have an impact.
Maybe I'll follow suit and send these guys the transcript that MMFA provided.
Apparently a lot of people watch Imus, maybe for the same reason they watch people backstab each other on those lowbrow reality shows. Larry King did one of those "You're watching Imus in the Morning" promos for them. He then shrugs and says "Why?". Why, indeed.
By doing what Hillary did with that "speech," how can anyone not expect her to get critisism for it? What is wrong with this? She is a public figure who did something really weird. Nobody is being racist or hateful, they are making fun of Hillary, having a few laughs at her expense, and thats the bottom line.
Bernie is being racist and hateful. End of story.
(I win because I said "end of story.")
then troll somewhere else.
There is a difference between"making fun" and spewing racist hate.
"Nobody is being racist or hateful, they are making fun of Hillary, having a few laughs at her expense, and thats the bottom line."
Are you serious???????????
So I guess I shouldn't be offended by McGuirk's "cornrows," "Crip signs," and "gold teeth"? And I guess I should take it in stride when he says he f**ked Maya Angelou?
Come on, man. Think before you post next time.
Don't forget the spear reference. That's real original.
I'm sure the he forgot the spear comment because the "out of the jungle" line blew his mind.
"Nobody is being racist or hateful, they are making fun of Hillary, having a few laughs at her expense"
I finally get it! News and talk shows on television and radio today are supposed to replicate for the viewer or listener the experience of sitting in a bar room after having three or four drinks, punctuated by unfunny racial jokes and politically incorrect quips from the neighborhood drunk at the end of the bar. I'm clear on this now...
Bernies hate toward Mayor Nagin and Cardinal Egan is the worst kind of racist and religious bigotry on any of the big 3 cable networks. I have written to MSNBC to take this show off the air , but they do not.
Good thing we aren't talking about mayor nagin and cardinal egan then, right? Your pure hatred for Bernie seems just as potent as what you perceive his hatred for blacks to be. I guess they offset eachother and you are right in the end though because your opinion is more important than his.
I do not get your point? Are you saying its ok to spew religious and racial hate?
Hey Dorris, check out some of the religious hatred spewed by some of the posters on MMFA and then get back to us, will you? I just know you will.
Examples? I didn't think so.
I do not recall any posters pretending to be Cardinal Egan and promoting religious bigotry.
CLSN, I didn't think I'd ever say this, but you're right. There is often religious hatred posted here. But I enjoy reading the Republicans' posts, and I would miss them if they went away.
Who hates Bernie? I think he's performing great work for the Democrats.
These guys have worked over time to guarantee that the percentage of Blacks supporting that Republican Party will forever remain in single digits. You know a poster here once told me they (he had appointed himself spokesperson for all Republicans) didn't care if Blacks voted for Republicans. He said they (the Republicans) didn't need Black people. In addition, Limbaugh once famously said that since Blacks only made up 12% of the population that we didn't matter. He was JOKING of course because he's a hoot!
And your opinion means what? Who the he!! are you?
Alright Colonel, off the fence - how do you really feel?
Now, that's funny :)
Sorry us liberals fight so hard for civility. I know it's a real drag that it's taboo to make racist stereotypical jokes and it must really hurt your feelings when black people make fun of white people. I am personally white and I enjoy making fun of crackers, caspers and whities.
Here's a news flash, those who are among races that have been largely persecuted by caucasions are allowed to lash out a little bit. The former persecutors, us, are not. It is a double standard. Oh well. Personally I found this crackers comments to be your standard white trash fare. Repulsive and sophmoric. Maya Angelou is a poet for christs sake and this joker thinks it's funny to bring up spears and blacks being lazy. Yeah that's a knee slapper.
you already lost the argument and i dont even have to reply!
you say its ok for those who were persecuted to "lash out a little bit" when you shouldve said "hate on both sides will not be tolerated"
white guilt pos
Guilt has nothing to do with it. You're living in the fantasy world that if we just ignore race then racisim will go away. Life's not black and white, pun fully intended. Hate shouldn't be tolerated but Eddie Murphy or Chris Rock busting on us whities is usually aimed solely at getting laughs. I don't feel guilty. I didn't have slaves and if were alive back then I would have been an abolitionist but I can recognize societal conditions I have no control over. Col.Cracker.
see the problem is that we've created too fine a line between poking fun at another race and being racist. chris rock makes fun of white people AND black people all the time, no one really cares (except some critics of course). this guy should be allowed the same privilege, but he isnt because he is WHITE!
You're saying Chris Rock has never been called racist? I bet he has.
and when did black people enslave white people? The statements made here are not in jest but serious jabs using stereotypical statements that have used to fuel racisim. Chris Rock is only making people laugh by poking fun at our cracker-ness.
It doesn't matter. The "Colonel" has proven time and again that such subtlety is lost on him. He thinks racial stereotypes are funny. He thinks white guys making fun of black (AA) guys or slang or mode of speech is funny. He thinks it's okay to use so-called 'reverse' racism to prove a point. That is, at the expense of a Democrat. It's simple. He's simple. End of story.
That's because he's probably still in his teens.
I have feeling he's probably in his 50's ;-)
Age, IQ, or temperature?
see, i think you have a self esteem problem, youre like the boy who makes excuses for the bully who picks on him. 'well its ok because i have a big nose....meeeehhhh"
sure rock is making people laugh, well this guy was trying to be ENTERTAINING TOO!!! he sure as heck made me laugh, i love a good black impression as much as a good white or mexican one
No. I am pretty comfortable with my self esteem. I simply recognize that white people using stereo typical and deragatory statements towards black people on the public airwaves is not socially acceptable. Black comedians poking fun at us crackers is. Some day that will probably change. until then I'll refrain from making fun of black people and continue to laugh at Chris rock making fun of people like me. By the way it's true, white people have no ryhthm, mostly.
Black impression? Please explain exactly what a black impression is.
If you tolerate "lashing" out as being acceptable from one person, but denounce it and hold a double standard for another - then you only fuel racial tensions instead of wanting to eliminate them, as you say you do.
How incredibly naive of you. I don't recall saying anything about lashing out but I did admit that their is a double standard. Race exists. Reread my previous post as this is only rehashing.
Ah, yes you did........and I quote;
".......are allowed to lash out a bit".
ooh, you got me. totally destroys my whole argument. not really but believe what you want you are still naive.
Tommy,I must say I was waiting to see if you would be as passionate about this as you appeared to be over the Coulter ugliness the other day. You don't seem to be. WHAT DID YOU THINK OF BERNIES SKIT? What do you think of this type of “humor” on what seems to have become a venue that is taken seriously by the cream of the politico crop. I don’t get it; I don’t understand how these folks are associating with this show.
Lynn, I agree this was offensive - I don't listen to Imus, so I can't speak to the fact that he supposedly skewers everybody out there.......even if with no taste. Public figures are probably used to it, and isn't this basically an entertainment show? This doesn't elevate anything, that is true - it only goes to people's stereotypes and is rude......but if you listen to this stuff, this is, sadly, what you get.
I do not condone any of it.
Although Lynn, I think the vehicle used here is rude, the overriding point being made has some merit. These politicians that phony up accents or try to "feel the pain" of their audience by "acting just like one of them" is ridiculous, and disingenuous. Why can't they just state their positions clearly no matter who they are speaking to and let the voters, who are not that dumb, decide......
You mind readers are certain what Hillary did was conscious and calculated, because it fits your pre-conceived notion of who she is.
I didn't hear her with my mind, it was my ears.
Everything Hillary does is conscious and calculated - if it wasn't, I'm not so sure I would want her in the job she's running for.
No one is "conscious and calcluated" every second of every day. The fact is, you don't know why she did it and neither do I. Only one of us is asserting we do.
You obviously bend over backwards giving Democratic politicians the benefit of every doubt, I give none of them that when the evidence is reasonable. They all pander and pander some more, that's their nature.
An admitted cynic.
No, not all Democrats, but I am sick of seeing Hillary (who will never get my vote FWIW) getting slagged for the least little thing.
Bring up her Iraq vote, though, and I'll be all over her like ants at a picnic.
I can't believe you're still sticking to your double standard argument. Yes, it is a double standard, because their are two standards! You cry "double standard" as if that's proof of "reverse racism," but that only sticks if you have the historical perspective of someone who was born yesterday. And since we know you weren't born yesterday, and since you've repeatedly made this same argument over and over again, we can assume that you are intentionally rejecting 400 years of history in order to advance a racist talking point.
"I didn't have slaves and if were alive back then I would have been an abolitionist.."- Bing
You're a typical leftist, Bing: Full of dog crap. Tell us all what you're doing about slavery TODAY??? In 2007?? Oh, what's that you say???Nothing at all??? Well, imagine that!!! A Leftie who can't walk the talk.
Snore. You make absolutely no sense.
I'll be glad to volunteer my home as a stop on the underground railroad to free ALL the slaves we have in the US, and unlike Rich Dave (joke between Dave and I) from a previous thread I'll share one of my 12 ham sandwiches with them
Are you that clueless about the slave trade that's going on right now PragLib? Never mind. The answer is obvious. Go back to sleep.
and what does the current slave trade have to do with this thread? Nothing. Again, a con has no argument or refuses to hear what he doesn't like and just radically changes the subject.
And YOU are the typical conservative an incoherent moron
I'm not certain what it was about my comment that offended you so much. I certainly don't get the dog crap reference. Perhaps you can eplain yourself better. I was merely trying to make a point that slavery is part of our history and despite it being banned after the Civil War there are still ingering traces of it. There are still blacks alive that have memories of grandparents swinging in the trees. It will probably be many more years before the wound of slavery is healed. Liberals aren't enabling that fact we simply recognize it.
Slavery in America is OVER. It's way past time to move on. But slavery is routine in many places today:[link to www.geocities.com]
what is "pos?" Is that some secret bigot code?
piece of poo
POS is three words, starts with piece of...
Oooohh. Tha's even nicer than I imagined. Hmm.
Exactly.... secret idiot code words.
My fav is "... You already lost... I don't even need to reply!" Lost what?
"Colonel" you add a delightful dash of compassion and empathy every time you post. Do unto others, huh?
Oh that's nice. So Col. Cracker is also a coward and can't even insult me directly.
how do you "insult" a "pos"?
You mean you dont KNOW? I find it hard to believe you have never been insulted before.
"white guilt pos"
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Since when does someone made solely out of pixels on a Game Boy have the standing to comment on issues raised by real people?
Why stop with Blacks then? Hey, if the world is open in your view, I'm sure you won't mind me throwing around a few jokes about the soldiers, right? It would be refreshing to know I can poke fun at them without risk of repercussion from some right wing hypocrite...
"This is REALLY Funny. It's REFRESHING to see white people not be afraid to make fun of black people. Liberals are such cowards too, consumed with black guilt you kiss too much black a**. Black people make fun of white ppl all the time and no1 says anything, there is NOTHING WRONG WITH THIS AND IM SICK OF ANAL MMFA AND THEIR NAZI REGIME TRYING TO MAKE POSTS OF WHAT THEY WOULD LOVE TO CENSOR FROM THE MEDIA!!! YOURE GARBAGE MMFA, TRASH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! GOOD THING YOU ARE NOTHING BUT AN ANT WITH 20 of the SAME VIEWERS per DAY AND YOU HAVE NO INFLUENCE ON PUBLIC POLICY OR THE MEDIA!"
You mad, dog? LOL.
Way to eloquently state your case. Cretins like you don't even get me upset. I can only laugh at your ignorance.
as for the comment comparing criticism of this guy to his "criticism" of hillary through the invocation of racist stereotypes, do you honestly believe criticizing an individual is the same as invoking a stereotype of an entire race of people? even if this guy were some civil, innocent commentator, the compasion would be inappropriate--considering his history of racist invective, it is downright asinine. as for efforts to coerce msnbc into eliminating this kind of childish, ignorant "discourse" by writing to them, you're wasting your time. it is to their ADVERTISERS that you need to direct your complaints. then you'll get some results.
The fact that slavery was brought up in here is ridiculous. Since then, the white man has given every opportunity imaginable to minorities and those who are underprivilaged here. Civil Rights, Affirmative Action, and an overall more enlightened attitude have made America the #1 place to be for people of color. Blacks in America have the highest living standards of blacks anywhere else in the world, and they make the most money here too. Making stereotypical jokes is not bringing us backward, if anything it shows progress because nobody is going to kill each other over it. If corn rows and gold teeth were soooo offensive to black people, maybe they should stop sporting those fashions so they won't be as offended. Think about it, if it was actually offensive to them, why would they walk around on the street like that? When they say they are offended at something like this, they are playing the race card. I know plenty of black people who would laugh at this, just as I normally laugh at white stereo types.
Everyone needs to relax and chuckle once in a while.
Your attitude shows that we have not come nearly far enough.
The fact that slavery was brought up in here is ridiculous. Since then, the white man has given every opportunity imaginable to minorities and those who are underprivilaged here.
Yep. Since then, the white man gave the Indians their own plots of land to open casinos, limited children to 10 hour work days, and only 100 years since then, gave blacks the right to vote and drink out of the same water fountains. It only took a century to gain equal rights, We didn't have to do it so quickly, ya know. They should be grateful, but dang it, they're wearing out their welcome...
..and all of those things that took so long to progress happened without the help of people like him. In fact these type o people were usually the ones in the way with hoses, dogs, and sometimes ropes.
Braid,
Do you know what percentage of the AA population have gold teeth? What percentage are members of the Crips? This is what I"m talking about. There are a small number of Black people that sport gold teeth and I say more power to them if that's what they want, although it's probably not good for your teeth. It's like a White kid who sports tatoos and/or body piercings.( If I made a joke bout ALL Whites having tatoos and body piercings nobody would laugh, because they know it isn't true.) Why tag the majority of the AA community with the behavior of the few especially the negative behavior. BTW I occasionally where braids. It's a real cool summer/vacation time style, and when my now adult daughter was a kid I often fixed her hair in braids or corn rows. I don't see anything funny about that.
The "Colonel" too always seems to exemplify this exact trait .... persistently claiming "you Liberals always... blah blah blah" No wonder he liked it. These are his people. Blanketed in stereotypes and generalities.
I meant to say wear braids of course.
You almost had me at hello. However, I seem to recall that it isn't that blacks don't like being reminded how they look, it's the way many whites are secretly sneering as they make the comments. Blacks are smarter than the right likes to give them credit for, they know the underlying message in the "joke" is that certain white folk think they look stupid.
I actually just watched the bit (instead of simply reading)... Pretty lame. And, very 'wink-wink'... This purely racist no-content stuff with IMUS yuckin' it up. Completely lame. Not surprised the "Colonel" liked it.
Well, then according to the way everyone seems to be interpreting racism on here, Hillary must be a racist because she is mocking a stereotype. Not all black people talk with that kind of an accent. Many, many black people speak perfect english with no accent whatsoever. Hillary is exploiting a stereotypical accent, which undermines equality. A racist is running for the presidency.
There is some truth in that. Which, in my view, makes Hillary seem disingenuous... and, yes, adhering/perpetuating a stereotype. However, two wrongs don't make a right.
This is based on the assumption that she intentionally put on a black accent to "fit in." It's just really hard for me to think that she sat there and calculatingly calculated out that a combo Black-Chicago accent would be the way to go.
I mean, you guys could be saying that she is both calculating and stupid, but I don't agree if so
Is Clinton racist? I don't think so. But, this wasn't the smartest move for her. Under the magnifying glass. There'll be more to come. If she survives until 2008... She prob should be elected. Tough as nails.
"This is based on the assumption that she intentionally put on a black accent to "fit in."'- Valentinian
No, Val, she'd never do anything like that....
"An' you KNOW what I'm talkin' 'bout".- Hillary Clinton
Such a nitpicking fool. Gasp, a politician knows her audience and panders to them, oooh, alert the media. that never happens. Let her audience decide if she is being disingenuous. They didn't. they seemed to appreciate that Hillary was willing to dive back into the 17 years of living in Arkansas. It's called being a well rounded person. If she had never lived in the South you whiners may have a point. As it is, as usual, your animosity is misdirected. Go worry about something significant like the current slave trade.
Right. And Hillary's always been a Yankees fan...
And theres a good chance she won't be the nominee. It's quaint how the right-wing media always like to pick out candidates FOR us. Funny thing, though, the voters tend to make their own choices. So, how about this for consideration. Let's nominate Obama and see how quick the right-wing "entertainers" target him for their special brand of "humor".
The right wing entertainers won't need to do anything if Obama is the nominee. He provides entertainment just by existing. His mother's family owned slaves, he will not disclose what kind of lessons he was taught at his school in Indonesia, and he has a history of cocaine use (not that he would be the first politician to dabble in drugs...which is very sad). But I guess he is good looking?
"His mother's family owned slaves?" Oh:
Man, it must suck when all you can do against your political opponent is to make chit up.
OK, if thats so pathetic, then tell your liberal friends on this site to stop bringing up slavery when someone makes a black joke. Slavery was so long ago, it's just an issue that is nothing more than a bad memory...if I'm following your logic correctly.
My goodness, do they have workshops in creating false equivalences over there on the right? It's like you guys don't have any other tactic...
Just a bad memory? Bad memories tend to motivate people. The reality, and I know how much cons hate reality, is regardless how long ago slavery ended it still effects people. Race tensions still exist and the old "color blind" excuse doesn't make that go away. that's simply ignoring the problem exists.
Your "reality" seems a bit tainted, BINGVANGORDON. Slavery ended a long time ago? According to who? BINGVANGORDON? Slavery is alive and "well' and being widely practiced in muslim countries right now.
Couldn't happen. All of Islam is a religion of peace and equality.
And l-u-u-u-uv.
MSNBC take this show off the air now.
Please.
The big question is: Will Olderman eat one of his own (MSNBC) with the Gold tonight or is he a big sellout also??
...Assuming Olbermann is not already contractually prohibited from doing so.
He may well be. If so, that would be a terrible shame, both for Olderman and for MSNBC. In that case, I would expect (without holding my breath) that someone, hopefully MMFA, would call him and MSNBC out regarding this as it (in my mind) shows a case of bias.
Who is "Olderman?" Is that another lame attempt at humor?
No wonder the right wing isn't funny. Their material is more stupid than the President.
Let's see, I call Hannity Shamity, O'Reilly Bull OhReally, etc and not a word is said. I call your hero(?) Olderman and you act like someone gave you a wedgie. In the words of a bygone poster (Coop), Dismissed!!!!
It's Oldermundane.
Brad, you are very young and most differently not very bright, I I don't mean color wise.
You claim that "white entertainers won't have to do anything to Obama. His mother own slaves. And then you say "Slavery was so long ago, it's just an issue that is nothing more than a bad memory"it's just a memory.
Be kind and BECOME A MEMORY TOO!
Can't believe that.Oh well Hillary will do abythibg to pander and get the black vote.
Anything i mean .Olbermann won't say anything cause Imus will fight back.Olbermann doesn't attack people who will fight back.
So O'Really is a weenie? Limpbaugh is a weenie? Savageweiner is a weenie? Beck is a weenie? Coulter is a weenie? Wow, all the right wing yakkers are weenies who won't fight back. I never realized that olberman was picking on little girls, but now that you mention it...
What age are you like 12?
Braid,
Your comment about Obama's mother's family owning slaves is beyond irrelevant. My mother's father's family are very fair skinned with light colored eyes, My great-grandmother who was sandy haired and blue eyed and many of her 11 children could have easily passed for White if they had chosen to do so. My assumption is this obvious race mixture occurred during slavery. One day when there is time I would love to do a geneologic study ro trace the origns of both sides of my family. I always jokingly referred to my Mom's people as the "sons of former slaves and former slave owners" That is what they were. By extension that means I have at least one ancestor perhaps more that owned slaves. Many African Americans share this history., Obama isn't alone in that.
Lynn you are right, I did some research on my family on my mother side and you can say we are one mixed race family,
I have regretfully come to the conclusion that just about all of you are idiots. Imus excoriates the Bush Administration every single day regarding the war, soldiers' medical treatment, you name it, and you people totally ignore it. But let someone stray over your line of civility even once, and you act like the world is coming to an end, while totally ignoring both the narrow context AND the big picture. It's a wonder you don't spontaneously combust whenever you actually come down to earth long enough to realize that just possibly you or one of your ancestors may have done something even slightly wrong. Get over yourselves and get a grip on reality. BTW, Bernard's remarks were aimed squarely at Hillary and her desparate desire to appear to be all things to all people. If you can't realize that, you probably can't realize that this type of "act" may prevent her from becoming President.
Don't apologize ("I have regretfully...).
Your piece sums up this exercise in absurdity; your perspective is excellent.
That racist, homophobic McGuirk. . .you talk about jealous, mean-spirited bastards. The whole lot of them.
That lickspittle Charles and his fawning sychophant ways. What a joke! Everybody knows that they're jokes in the industry. Imus isn't even carried in half the States and if it wasn't for MSNBC, he'd be long gone. He sits up there in that gay BROKEBACK MOUNTAIN cowboy hat of his and expects anybody to take him seriously? Chewing on his cud and waxing philosophical over his glory days when he was boozin' and cokin' it up. . .he's nothing but a sad, cranky dry drunk.
And McGuirk, God help us when he finally realizes just how gay he is. He'll need a black man to dry his tears. And those awful shirts he wears. I swear he's one step away from inbred mutant alien.
Are they all so collectively stupid that they don't realize that Hillary Clinton and her husband friggin' grew up in and spent over 20 years in the Deep South, which is inclusive of Alabama. Let her revert to her Southern drawl if she wants to use that to whatever effect.
We should be focusing on the new story today of the next gay Republican porn star that has surfaced: Bill O'Reilly and Sean Hannity love the guy. How about them family values?? What's up with Reverend Ted Haggard, by the way?
Imus is a joke and as long as Imus allows himself to be held captive by the likes of the racist homophobe McGuirk, he will be laughed at himself.
So it turns out Hillary's down to doing what a shock jock does????Imitating ebonics???
We expect the exec producer of IMUS to sacrifice dignity for ratings. But I thought we could expect more from a presidential contender!
"So it turns out Hillary's down to doing what a shock jock does????Imitating ebonics???"
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The piece she spoke from was written in dialect. Hillary Clinton read it in dialect. How many times do you wingnuts have to be told something before it registers and creates a spark of comprehension between your few functioning brain cells?
I am a black person, I do not wear cornrows or gold teeth.
To be white in America is never having to think about it. Bernies remarks simply prove what I've always believed and that is a rich whiteman can say ANYTHING he wants no matter how dumb it is and almost always get away with it.
"took away your spears"
that is the best line
looooooooooooooool black ppl get to make fun of white history/culture all the time, fair is fair. even bill clinton acknowledges WHITE GUILT, why cant you libos admit you have it
I can admit it. If it were true I would admit it. You use what "rationale" you need to keep your narrow and childish world view. That's what cons do. Keep doing your spear throwing jokes, and we'll continue to belittle and mock you.
"looooooooooooooool"
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How do you manage to feed yourself without leaving fork marks in your forehead?
OK Mr. Bigot boy I date Black chicks and have a Blacke friend and love spear jokes.
At least she doesn't look like some faggoty Marlboro Man like Imus.
I'm new here, and I have to say I LOVE this site! Once I found out one of my favorite journalists Max Blumenthal writes pieces here (he wrote an incredible piece in the regarding that self-hating minstrel Jesse Lee Peterson not that long ago), I knew I found the place to hang out to discuss politics. As far as I'm concerned, Blumenthal became an honorary brother – along with Tim Wise, Max Kellerman and Stephen Steinberg – after that essay. Aah, how I do miss Max Kellerman debunking all the arguments Tucker Carlson use to raise when his show first aired on MSNBC.
I'm African-American, and while I watch Imus sometimes in the morning – he can be pretty funny when pointing out the absurdity of many public figures, notably the ones who work at MSNBC/NBC – I HATE Bernie McGuirk for the simple fact he's a flat-out racist who has no remorse for his apathy. Because McGuirk was raised mostly in a predominately-black housing projects when he was a kid in New York, he feels he has the right to spew such hatred without feeling guilty or accountable for his actions. To McGuirk, he knows and understands black folks, thus allowing him to say things that are not racist but just insensitive -- y'know, like your usual Chris Rock joke. And it's not like I have anything against whites making jokes about blacks: TONS of white comedians who appear on BET's Comicview are intelligent enough to joke about blacks without acting indifferent to our rich culture and mocking it for the sake of being politically incorrect. The difference between first-rate satirists and McGuirk is that the former uses racially-insensitive jokes to hold the mirror to our faces and demonstrate how in the 21st century – despite the success of the Civil Right’s Movement – we still carry such sexist, racist, anti-Semitic, homophobic, closed-minded people in this country. There’s a HUGE difference between a Sacha Baron Cohen making anti-Semitic jokes with his character Borat and the inane, racist comments from McGuirk. One is first-rate satire that entertains and educates us about certain sections of society; the other is just racist jokes made by someone the suffers from low-self esteem. Lawrence Blum in his landmark book “I’m Not A Racist But...” wrote about a particular kind of racism that McGuirk appears to suffer from. Blum wrote that, "Social (or sociocultural) racism comprises racist beliefs, attitudes, and stereotypes widely shared within a given population and expressed in cultural and social modes such as religion, popular entertainment, advertisement, and other media." Thus, people such as McGuirk (and many Right Wing conservatives I’ve encountered in the past) will say: “I don’t hate black people, or think I’m superior to them due to biologically inferiority, I just HATE their culture!” Since Hip Hop predominately represents us in the media more than any other iconography, antagonistic folks like McGuirk have convinced themselves that this represents ALL of African-American culture, forgetting (or ignoring?) that Hip Hop is a subculture that’s emanates from black urban youth. Therefore, we’ll get whites like McGuirk mocking black behavior patterns, arts, beliefs, institutions, and all other products of human work and thought, in this pompous attitude as if it's all just a big joke that deservedly invites derision for it being so radically different from some set European standard. But Stephen Steinberg said it best in his book "Turning Back: The Retreat From Racial Justice In American Thought and Policy:" “...cultural differences must be explained in terms of their historical and material sources. It is only when culture is taken at face value and treated as self-explaining that we fall into the trap of imputing cultural superiority to groups on the top and cultural inferiority to groups on the bottom."
Just so I understand you, is Roy Innis also a self-hater?