Savage breaks vow, refers to Media Matters
On the March 6 broadcast of his nationally syndicated radio show, Michael Savage said: "I'll save a copy of [Savage's book] Healing Children Naturally for [those] who were apparently severely injured as children and became gay activists, who work for Media Matters." As Media Matters for America has previously noted, on the January 30 broadcast of his radio show, Savage vowed "not to read [Media Matters'] name anymore."
Healing Children Naturally, which Savage co-wrote with Kathleen Goss under his given name, Michael A. Weiner, was first published in 1982. It was apparently reprinted in 1994, according to Amazon.com, where one copy is available for sale. Savage is also selling the book on his website, MichaelSavage.Com, which says that, by "popular demand," the book is being reprinted. Healing Children Naturally is touted on the front page of the website as "[t]he most important book you will ever buy." The book purportedly offers natural and herbal remedies for a number of ailments, including hyperactivity, a disorder commonly treated with the drug Ritalin.
During the March 6 show, Savage claimed that Ritalin is "a radical feminist plot to destroy the boys of America." He continued: "Now, if you don't like what I just said, that's too bad. It doesn't matter to me. It really doesn't matter whether you find what I said preposterous or not, what I just said is 100 percent true. Ritalin is a conspiracy of greedy drug manufacturers, along with radical feminists, to feminize our boys, to pacify them and turn them into nothings, because girls are rarely prescribed Ritalin." He went on to conclude: "You understand that, don't you? Did you get that? It's an attack upon masculinity. It's off the patriarchy."
Savage also stated: "But now that sexual orientation is excusing people's communistic, Soviet-style harassment, I have a real problem with it. And mark my words, just mark my words: The perpetrators are going to pay for what they're doing. ... God sees the truth but waits. God, at the end of the day, gets even for all of the insults against decent people. ... You wait and see how it all ends." As Media Matters noted, Savage recently sent an email to Media Matters accusing the organization of "harass[ment]" and threatening legal action "under California's anti-stalking legislation."
The Savage Nation reaches more than 8 million listeners each week, according to Talkers Magazine, making it the third-most-listened-to talk radio show in the nation, behind only The Rush Limbaugh Show and The Sean Hannity Show.
From the March 6 edition of Talk Radio Network's The Savage Nation:
SAVAGE: Gasosaurus is not a windbag, [caller]. Thanks for trying. In fact, I'll give you the answer now and I'll save a copy of Healing Children Naturally for others who were apparently severely injured as children and became gay activists, who work for Media Matters.
Gasosaurus was a type of dinosaur -- a theropod -- with a large skull and powerful legs that lived in the Jurassic period, if I remember correctly. And the reason he's named Gasosaurus is because his remains were discovered by a Chinese gas company's construction crew. Gas lizard or Gasosaurus is in honor of the gas mining company that discovered the fossil of the Gasosaurus. Unfortunately, we have many Gasosauri still functioning in the United States of America, but they don't know it. They think that they're progressives but, in fact, they are nothing but fossils.
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SAVAGE: But now that sexual orientation is excusing people's communistic, soviet-style harassment, I have a real problem with it. And mark my words, just mark my words: The perpetrators are going to pay for what they're doing. Just mark my words. God sees the truth but waits. God, at the end of the day, gets even for all of the insults against decent people. God sees the truth but waits. You wait and see how it all ends. You wait and see.
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SAVAGE: If I were a boy today, God -- thank God, I was born when I was born -- if I were born five years ago, I'd be a roving target for the mean-faced, clipped-haired psychopaths who run the NEA [National Education Association] and the school system -- the mean-faced, clipped-haired ladies of delight, who run the school system. They would have seen a little boy with bright eyes who didn't want to listen to their rubbish and their brainwashing, and they would have recommended Ritalin for me. That's the kind of world we live in. It's all mind control. It's an attempt to destroy masculinity in America.
The primary target of Ritalin are boys, not girls, incidentally. This is a radical feminist plot to destroy the boys of America. Now, if you don't like what I just said, that's too bad. It doesn't matter to me. It really doesn't matter whether you find what I said preposterous or not, what I just said is 100 percent true.
Ritalin is a conspiracy of greedy drug manufacturers, along with radical feminists, to feminize our boys, to pacify them and turn them into nothings, because girls are rarely prescribed Ritalin. You understand that, don't you? Did you get that? It's an attack upon masculinity. It's off the patriarchy.
"Healing Children Naturally is touted on the front page of the website as "[t]he most important book you will ever buy."
Can we infer that it's more important than the bible?
Maybe, but is it less important than "My Pet Goat?"
Someone get Sewage some Ritalin.
PS. Well done, MMFA. You really stuck a prickly burr up HIS tail pipe...but reprinting his own words...didn't you?
He gets free advertisement here. After his CAA debacle, he needs the support.
Never heard of teachers recomending Ritalin but I have heard of doctors recomending Ritalin.
On a different topic, what does Savage mean by this, "But now that sexual orientation is excusing people's communistic, soviet-style harassment, I have a real problem with it. And mark my words, just mark my words: The perpetrators are going to pay for what they're doing. Just mark my words. God sees the truth but waits. God, at the end of the day, gets even for all of the insults against decent people. God sees the truth but waits. You wait and see how it all ends. You wait and see."
Sounds pretty creepy to me. Sounds like he is reaching out to a hate group or some zealot with a rifle. This guy would love to see political participation exercised in an environment of violent intimidation.
May there be forgiveness for all you who support this rightwing eliminationist rhetoric.
It is simply amazing to me that our society has chosen to give this bigoted, incoherent buffoon such a public platform for his ravings, let alone that there are so many other idiots out there who consider him worth listening to.
Savage
A deplorable person who should not even matter in our minds.
But he does, and you secretly luuuuuv it. Don't worry, you're one of 8-10 mil.
Yes. You guys sure can read minds.
I tried to read Weiner's mind. I got a 404 error.
He's stalking me...
I guess the truth hurts....
The male to female ratio ranges from 4:1 for the predominantly hyperactive impulsive type to 2:1 for the predominantly inattentive type.[
http://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/448491
I've already pointed out that this is obviously not a gay website, Dr. Savage does get a little (or a lot) carried away sometimes, but that's one reason he brings in monster ratings. While he is wrong about this being a "gay" website, he's 100% right on the actual issue he's talking about, the over diagnosis in boys comparitive to girls of ADHD/ADD.
Do all of Dr. Weiner's listeners have comprehension problems?
The actual issue that he's talking about is ""a radical feminist plot to destroy the boys of America."
He's 100 percent wrong and if you believe this nonsense there's no help for you.
Again, read the above comment, I already said he gets carried away, this is why he's entertaining. My point was that he is right in pointing out that ADD/ADHD is over diagnosed in boys as compared with girls.
Yes, that was your point, but Weiner's point was that it's a feminist plot.
"he gets carried away, this is why he's entertaining."
Savage promises he will arrest and then poison "liberals" (presumably women, too) if he's elected president. Reminds me that Hitler got "carried away" in the same manner.Are you scared? Do you actually THINK he would be elected? His comments are on a similar tone as those of Bill Maher inferring that the death of the VP would be a good thing. Neither one of these people will ever be elected president. And have you ever heard of "hyperbole"? Do you think he's actually serious?
Maher said no such thing. He made the accurate observation that American sans Cheney would experience less combat deaths. That's a fact. If you don't like the fact, well you can do what you always do: ignore them.
I never said he SAID it, I said he inferred it. Do you actually think that if a right-wing pundit made a comment like his that the statement would'nt land on this website? My point is that talking heads on both side of the issues say things to get ratings and to take everything they say you'd have to be pretty much intellectually bankrupt
Start your own site to debunk liberals. We don't care. Have at it.
Why would I ever go to a site filled with people who agree with me? How would that help me streamline my positions? By going to a website where everyone agrees with me it wouldn't be hard for me to debate with people who thought teh same as me. Who would ever seek a site that the majority of the people would always agree with them? It would probably have to be someone who either cannot debate effectively or just plain isn't smart enough to get their points across in a hostile environment....think about it
Your logic is as silly as that of your namesake. We get plenty of types like you here, though it's a liberal website.
Are you actually saying there are as many cons as libs on this site? You must be kidding.
Nope. I'm saying, if your site was good enough, you'd get your liberal dissenters.
Say it slower and louder he might understand you better.
Rightwing sites will have no dissenting voices. I can't count how many rightwing sites from which I've been locked out.
When I'm on a rightwing site I mind my manners and offer respectful dialog. I guess progressive ideas are too dangerous for the authoritarian mindset. Think bout it.
Roundhouse, I can't even get on righty sites. Every time I try, there's the waiting period, then a "privelege revoked" or "bad password". Do they have surveillance people?
I hear ya... I had to take a urine test to try to get on one right wing site. Ann Coulter came over to do it... she noticed that my "thing" hung to the left and that upset her. So she called me a "f4ggot" and left without doing the urine test. Too bad, too... I studied hard for it.
If it lasts for more than 4 hours, see your doctor (says the ad).
It's a cult. They refuse to allow the unbelievers to debate in their temples.
"I can't count how many rightwing sites from which I've been locked out"
I know what you mean. I actually got banned from www.redstate.com for not being conservative enough. That just shows you how far right those people are over there.
Wow, thats scary
I have been kicked off Hannity's site twice. They cannot stand opposing views over there.
You inferred that he implied it.
Really -- he inferred it? I thought that people were taking issue with Maher for implying it.
The listener infers. The speaker/writer implies.
There is absolutely no way Maher "inferred" what you say he did. You "inferred" it as you were the listener.
168 I.Q.?
Wow, congrats on pointing out a grammatical error....must have taken hours of research....what next point out that people some people here are not very adept at typing? And yes, 168. Sorry I use most of it for important things like weighing the issues as opposed to mastering the art of the written word.
Sorry I use most of it for important things like weighing the issues as opposed to mastering the art of the written word.
Big slam on writers everywhere, if you ask me.
"Wow, congrats on pointing out a grammatical error"
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It's wasn't a grammatical error, your grammar was fine.
It was an error in usage. You had no clue what the words meant, but you used them anyway. That implies ignorance, which we inferred from your lack of knowledge of the English language.
I never said he SAID it, I said he inferred it.
No, he didn't INFER it. He INFERRED that there would be fewer deaths in the world if Cheney wasn't VP. YOU INFERRED that Maher was calling for Cheneys death. I INFERRED that you have a weak grasp on the English language and reading comprehension.
The previous paragraph is IMPLYING that you are not really a very smart person.
As a matter of grammar, he implied it . . . You inferred it.
"And have you ever heard of "hyperbole"?"
Gee, gosh no. Is it really really fast bowling?
Well, if you know what hyberbole means then I would assume that even you might be intelligent enough to pick up on it...but then you wouldn't be able to hate Savage as much as you do.
Hyperbole is the last refuge of a scoundrel. Why do you think that the right, almost exclusively (with Mike Malloy the exception) feels to need to use hyperbole to make their "points"? To me it says something about the veracity of their "point" in the first place.
I though religion was the last refuge of the scoudrel? What's wrong with being entertaining? And I guess lefties don't use Hyperbole? Or are the recipients of Keith Olberman's award's REALLY the worst people in the world?
I hope you die, WeinerRocks.
Hey, you're right! Hyperbole really is entertaining!
"an attempt to destroy masculinity in america" is not hyperbole. It's the nonsensical ravings of a lunatic mind.
So is saying Glen Beck is worse than Osama Bin Laden
Not really. "Evil" (for lack of a better term) is difficult to quantify, so saying Beck is worse than Bin Laden is debatable at best. Saying that there is a feminist conspiracy emasculate our boys with an ADD drug is just plain nutters.
A man who makes an off-color joke is possibly worse than someone responsible for thousands of innocent deaths....wow. I guess Savage is right Liberalism IS a mental disorder.
When did I say such a thing? Beck could possibly be worse than Bin Laden, NOT for his poor sense of humor, but for the brainwashing nonsense he is paid handsomely to disseminate. At least Bin Laden has to live in a cave.
To be fair, we can't say with any certainty that Glen Beck's mind does NOT live in a cave...
A man paid as much as Glen Beck is unlikely to live in a cave.
However, his head is so far up his own ass that it certainly must FEEL like it.
I keep trying to tell you moronic conservatives. Its just that you guys are so stupid that you cant comprehend higher brain function so you mistake LOGIC for a mental disorder. IF you had two brain cells to rub together, which you dont, then you wouldnt mix the two up
If they had two brain cells to rub together, they probably would rub them together, thus killing both of them.
I "get" Solon now. He just insults people but never makes a cogent argument.
He insults people and makes cogent arguments. The weak ones only hear the insults.
If you say so. Lol
Pure rubbish. Only a moron would mention Beck in the same sentence as Bin Laden. BTW, I thought that liberals didn't believe in "evil." Everything's relative to the atheist left.
I have no idea why Media Matters put my last comment there when I was replying to an earlier post.
Pure rubbish. Only a moron would mention Beck in the same sentence as Bin Laden. - Hey RockyWeiner, he just called you a moron!
BTW, I thought that liberals didn't believe in "evil." Everything's relative to the atheist left. - You thought wrong then, didn't you?
I have no idea why Media Matters put my last comment there when I was replying to an earlier post. - It's the liberal conspiracy.
Pragmatic was paraphrasing and having a little fun with the quote.
And by the way, you're wrong.
The original quote is from Samuel Johnson and it reads:
"Patriotism is the last refuge of a scoundrel".
Todays leaders and their minions have proven Dr. Johnson's point.
Actually that is known as IRONY. The point being that those on the list are there for using hyperbole in personal attacks. Thus a it is symbolized by a hyperbolic personal attack so over the top it isnt meant to be taken seriously.
Good grief you're just a moronic hater. The "hate" here is all coming from you. That's what the man you love does: he hates. He hates for money, and you're his sucker of a fan. Actually, you're worse. At least he gets paid to hate. You do it for free, and gladly.
At what point di I say anything hateful? Please enlighten me so I won't do it again
Har- good one, Dave.
Could it be because boys exhibit the symptoms more than girls do? Lazy parents who aren't willing to modify the child's diet and exercise lifestyle let their doctors prescribe them Ritalin because it's easier to continue shoving preservatives and sugars down a kid's throat along with a pill than it is to be a parent and make deliberate and careful decisions about their kid's health.
Lazy parents and pill-pushing doctors are hardly a conspiracy against boys -- boys are, unfortunately, either more subject to the manic effects of a poor lifestyle or are more likely to act out when subjected to such a lifestyle.
Thank you for your logic !
Hey Rocks, Weiner isn't talking about diagnosing ADD/ADHD, he's talking about prescribing Ritalin. Couldn't read the info at your link, but I did read elsewhere that twice as many boys are prescribed Ritalin as girls. But Weiner said Ritalin is "rarely" prescribed for girls. That means Weiner is full of sh*t ... half is not rare.
<>And since when is getting a kid to calm the f*ck down a "feminizing" action ? We're back to this "feminine bad, masculine good" crap again. Who started that, Rove ?<>
<>For the record, I'm anti-Ritalin. I think the main probs are sugar in the diet and overuse of computers and other electronic gadgets.Uh...boys are more hyper then girls. Anyone who has been around kids knows this. Sometimes ailments have afflict one gender more than the other. For instance women and girls are much more likely to suffer from depression. Does this mean that society is subversively blunting female emotions to make them more man-like?
Are girls getting drugged to become more man-like? No. But I guess in you world it's a good thing to control children with drugs.
"Are girls getting drugged to become more man-like"
I'm following Savage's logic, not my own. ADHD has nothing to do with making hyper kids act like girls. If you've ever seen a kid who truly has the disorder, they don't act like "boys". They act like children who compulsively cannot control themselves.
Savage's premise is false, as usual. The guy is a walking logical fallacy.
His point lacks substance because he has tailored it to fit his beliefs. A lot of the symptoms described practically describe the blonde stereotype. I could venture to guess that it is possible those types of stereotypes may shield more females from diagnosis, but it isn't because of some woman's movement to subjugate men. Do women outnumber men in the field responsible for making the determination in the 1st place? Prove that...
How do you make the leap in logic between the statement that ADHD is diagnosed four times more in boys than girls and your assertion that boys are over diagnosed. By "over diagnosed" I presume you mean "misdiagnosed" and your going to need some more facts before you can make that claim. Stop drinking the Kool-Aid and think for yourself.
An even better question is how do you make the leap from "Ritalin is prescribed more often to boys than girls" to "it's a feminist plot by the NEA to feminize America"?
nice job, genius. you just confirmed that (and this is a fact) boys are diagnosed with ADHD more than girls. um, that's why they are given prescriptions (yes, more than likely overprescribed) more than girls. that's a conspiracy? idiot.
Twice as many women are diagnosed with depression than men. Is this also a conspiracy?
100% more women become pregnant than men. Conspiracy to exclusively control the human reproductive process? Those damn feminists have gone too far this time...!
Actually, infinitely more women than men become pregnant. 100% more is double.
A large part of his audience is probably the same kind of people that love to stop and look at bad car wrecks. Pathology is interesting to a whole lot of people and Weiners insanity probably appeals to many who just like to laugh at him
Wait a minute, I actually got a ticket once for taking pictures of a multi car wreck on the 57 in Orange County, and yet I can take no more than half a minute or savage before I pound on the classical music station selection button to restore my sanity.
There are differences in male and female brains. Feminist critics especially should know this. Boys also are much more likely to have autism, is that a liberal plot too? Where we evolved in Africa, men did nearly all the hunting and fighting. Maybe My guess is maybe ADD either didn't hurt so much, or even helped. It would have beenworse in women who had to stay and focus on less exciting tasks andraising children. Although of course it must be a liberal plot since God created man 6000 years ago.I have no idea what he means by Ritalin "feminizing" boys. What does he think it is, chemical castration? Its a stimulant like caffeine in a way that helps you focus better. It doesn't have any affect on gender or male/female hormones or anything. It's funny though in a way, it's usually (presumably) far lefties who think drug companies are out to get us and cover up all kinds of supposed natural cures. Usually it's conservatives out to defend poor little pharmaceutical companies from liberal nonsene like regulations for drug safety and quality.
darn, savarocks you beat me too it. but ill post anyway -
Is ADHD more common in boys than girls? By the criteria we use for the diagnosis of ADHD, for every girl with the diagnosis, at least three or four boys are also diagnosed. So, it's about a 3:1 or 4:1 ratio of boys to girls.
However, if you look at the ratio in those who are referred to azdoctor by an outside group, like from a school or a church, the ratio is as high as 9:1 boy to girl. This difference is because the only children who are diagnosed in these environments have associated problems, such as conduct disorder, severe depression, anxiety or oppositional behavior. And, as you will see, boys with ADHD tend to have more of these associated problems.
[link to www.understandingadhd.com] its a bs "disease" made up by psychologists (sham profession) to make boys act like girls. then they give the girls prozac to make them more outgoing so they can beat up the boys.
Yeah, I guess boys will be boys....unless you put them on Ritalin. Here's an interesting question...lately women have been pointing out that while they make up 51% of the population they are underrepresented in the government, however, they are also EXTREMELY underrepresented in regards to the ADD "epidemic. Not saying I know the reason, just making an observation
You don't vote for who gets Ritalin. So about he most egregious non sequitor you can concoct.
I guess you, savagerocks and weiner must have been beat up by girls when you were chilren. Just look at what being beat up by a girl did to Karl Rove.
Get over your persecution complex already, you white dudes are the most advantaged social group in the history of the planet. Yet, you still think you're the most victimized.
Wow, you're right...thank God I was born white with all the entitlements of lower-middle class upbringing! I guess I just forgot about my trust fund and DECIDED to join the military for college money (which anyone can do regardless of race), and after that work hard so I can make it in THE EASIEST COUNTRY IN THE WORLD TO BE ABLE TO GO FROM POOR TO RICH. So do you think that drugging children for acting like children is a "good" thing?
ADHD is real. That noted, it's probably over-diagnosed. But this has nothing to do with a female cabal against males. It has to do with parents and other caregivers that are a bit lazy and unimaginative.
Amen, Bro (or Sis)
I agree with you 100%, as I've already said Savage gets carried away and is prone to EXTREME hyperbole, you can't take everything he says seriously. ADD is real but as you said I believe it is also extremely overdiagnosed, especialy in boys
"Savage gets carried away and is prone to EXTREME hyperbole, you can't take everything he says seriously."
So how can you take anything Savage says seriously? You have a special decoder that allows you to know when he's over the line and can't be taken seriously? He sounds to me like he's carried away on just about everything.
The base message of Savage's show "border, language, culture" is the most important message out there today. While much of what he says can't be taken seriously these points are important...unless you want to wake up to a third world america in years to come
Sometimes it seems like you only hear what you want to hear. Weiner is just plain crazy. It can't be that hard to find a sane person who can get across that "borders, language, culture" message.
Which sounds like thinly veiled racism to me (not that Weiner has bothered to veil his racism in the past), but I digress.
"The base message of Savage's show 'border, language, culture' is the most important message out there today."
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There are Biblical messages that are far more inportant than any of Weiner's messages. But since the "Christians" place so much focus on the Old Testament (and they cherry-pick what they want from that) instead of what the Person their religion is named after actually said, I'm not surprised that few of them know that.
important
Incorrect. Again, the liberal statement that Jesus changed the Old Testament law is a lie. He said that he came not to change one jot.
I'll make it simple. Jesus is God. Therefore, when God said to execute murderers, Jesus said to execute murderers. Duhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh.
What about the parts of the Bible where Jesus tells us to take our disobedient sons and stone them to death? Or that you can't blend different types of cloth? Or that slavery is okay?
Iflurry, I just explained it in my last post. Jesus and God are the same person.
This blame immigrants for everything rhetoric is the same language hate groups use to recruit newbies to their cause.
"As Congress prepares to take up the immigration issue again, advocates on both sides of the aisle are seeing a mounting propaganda campaign by white supremacist groups. They say the groups are embracing immigration issues as a way to recruit members."
[link to www.npr.org]
Have fun stormin' the castle!
I guess that Roundhouse agrees with our retarded president that illegal aliens are good. See, the liberals are the Bushbots. We conservatives are not. Bush is a disgrace who should resign, and he's dead wrong on immigration.
The liberal lie is that conservatives are against "immigrants." No, we're against illegal aliens. We're also not white supremacists. Liberal lies on this issue are absolutely disgusting. Throw out the illegal alien criminal scum now!
As the great genius Michael Savage has said, Bush is the worst president in American history. Why doesn't Media Matters praise Savage for saying that?
I agree 100%
See, there is that sense of diminished whiteness that precludes one from recognizing actual biases.
I think you know my views on responsible parenting.
Hmm....sterotyping an entire race....wouldn't that make you a Racist?
Not so much my friend. I was speaking specificly to your sense persecution that precludes you from seeing actual biases.
diminished whiteness that precludes one from recognizing actual biases.
By not pointing out which "one" you were talking about you lumped white people in to group, thusly, drawing my observation that you might be a racist. I don't in fact think you are a racist, just thought I'd let you get a feel for what a con goes through EVERYTIME we make a comment dealing with race even if it's not worded as poorly as yours
The rest of us knew he was talking about you.
My point is he worded it in a way that it could be considered racist, if I posted a similar comment inferring something about an entire racil group I would get flagged and recieve about 14,000 "racist" comments. As I already pointed out I actually DON'T think he's a racist, just needs to get his points across a little clearer
He used your race to point out your own racism, a belief which almost always includes a belief that one's own race is superior.
So how does it make him racist if he points out what he perceives as your own feelings about your race?
Did I lack clarity? I guess so. But only in conservative lala land does 'one' refer to the whole.
Sorry, Iflurry. Meant to post that to Savagerocks. My inability to post with clarity is not limited only to language.
No prob.
nope, it was crystal clear to me. He was referring to you.
I don't see how anyone could have gotten the idea that it was NOT directed exclusively at you. I don't feel slighted in the least.
Savage "just needs to get his points across a little clearer"
Savage can't get his point across clearly enough? I thought he was supposed to be a friggin' genius. Maybe he has too many ideas racing around his head at one time. Perhaps he should try Adderall, the medication for people with ADD that helps them stay focused. I don't think it will turn you gay... but read the packaging materials anyway.
So this is the easiest country to go from poor to rich? This is known as social mobility right? Do you have any facts to back this up or did it come from some dark, dank place in your anatomy. See, that may USED to have been true but according to what I have been reading its not anymore
http://www.lse.ac.uk/collections/pressAndInformationOffice/newsAndEvents/archives/2005/LSE_SuttonTrust_report.htm
A careful comparison reveals that the USA and Britain are at the bottom with the lowest social mobility. Norway has the greatest social mobility, followed by Denmark, Sweden and Finland. Germany is around the middle of the two extremes, and Canada was found to be much more mobile than the UK.
Kudos to CANADA; love those crazy canuks.
How many tens of millions of illegals do thse SCANDY countries have? How much of that "mobility" is due to high taxation paying, er redistributing , er stealing from one group of people, and donating, er giving, er, HANDING OUT to the bums.
Hey, baby.
If you knew you could cough up the stats instead of weakly implying what MIGHT be true. All of which is off topic. HE made a claim, I posted evidence to refute it.
Solon, nobody is stopping you from moving to those countries.
Just like no one is stopping YOU from moving to Guatemala where your black fascist heart would feel more at home. Do us all a favor and give it a try. Did it occur to you that I dont NEED any social mobility. I do quite well. This wasnt a criticism. It was a refutation of an assertion someone pulled directly out of their ass. It amazes me how simpleminded people like you can be. Everything is black and white, if you point out an area where the US isnt the best place in the world an unbelieveable moron like you immediatly jumps to the conclusion it means we are dissatisfied or think the country is Hell. You are an idiot. Do the country a favor and leave, then do the worlds genepool a favor and DO. NOT. Breed.
Solon, you claim that you only insult people in response to their insults. I didn't insult you there. Checkmate.
I think that I'll stay here in the greatest country on Earth.
who said i was white? i mean, im mostly white. but still...thanks for assuming! liberals are soooooo racist!
Libs can't be racist only white christian conservatives can be (memo to Robert Byrd)! Don't you know that by now?
Dragging out Bryd is all the cons have. Meanwhile, their ranks are seething with racists.
Least no one in that party, which I'm not a repub, btw, has a hood in his closet
I seem to recall david duke running for president a few years back. He not only had the hood, he had the robe, the cross, the gas can, the lighter, the rope...
Don't try the party equivalence game when talking about racism. Equality of sin absolves nobody.
Wow...you're right! Except for the fact that Duke is not part of the repub party anymore and Byrd IS in fact a leader in the dems. Apples to oranges.
And Byrd isn't a klansman anymore. Sure wish you'd be consistent with your standard for arguments.
By the way, when you're counting "fruit", the difference between apples and oranges is moot. (look it up). Reread the last sentence in my previous comment, and wipe your nose.
Well, as long as you realize that the only party with a direct, current link to the KKK is the dems...I guess we're pretty much done here.
Here, read this:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/06/18/AR2005061801105.html
Then you're done here. I'm tired of tutoring you.
Duke is now Cindy Sheehan's buddy, btw, because of their mutual hatred for Jews.
"Least no one in that party, which I'm not a repub, btw, has a hood in his closet"
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Nope, you're right. The GOP wear them right out in the open. Look at David Duke, for one shining example. And Trent Lott.
By using your logic...if Lott is a racist then so is Joe biden, whose comments are far worse than lott's
That's nowhere near my logic. My logic didn't contain the fallacy yours did.
Lott said that if Strom Thurmond, who ran forPresident under the banner of the Segregationist Party, had been elected, America "wouldn't have had all the problems we've had."
Biden said Obama was "clean." Thurmond would have made sure Blacks were cleaned out.
Lott's picture was on the front page of the newsletter put out by the Council of Concerned Citizens (CCC, get it? The K's were already taken), whose newsletter put forth the charming allegory that a gallon of white milk with the slightest drop of chocolate milk in it was no longer white. Lott said he had no problem with that, and still allowed his picture to be used.
In fact, Lott spoke at their convention, where he stated that "these people are what the spirit of America is all about." It isn't the spirit of any America I want to live in.
If Lott had a hood in his closet large enough to cover the dead muskrat wig he wears on his head, he would be out with it in public.
Tell me again how Biden's statement was worse than Lott's. Biden made one slip in trying to compliment Obama. Lott has a lifetime history of bigotry.
Easy, Lott doesn't wear a hood and isn't in the KKK. Anybody who reads racism into what Lott said at Thurmond's 100th birthday party is a moron. Lott was simply being nice to an extremely old man, and race was not the only issue in the 1948 election. Liberals never think before calling people racists.
As for Biden, he actually had a point in what he said. Obama actually sounds intelligent when he speaks, whereas Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton don't. If what Biden said was a slap in the face to Jackson and Sharpton, then good for him. Those two bozos are an embarrassment to humanity.
STOP USING LOGIC! Libs don't understand it.
Who was it that said "stop lumping conservatives together"?
How would you know. You have never once tried it. You wouldnt know logic from an advancing glacier
Byrd doesnt wear a hood either, he did thirty years ago and appologized for it and repudiated the Klan. Which has NOTHING to do with the statements themselves. That is a classic ad hominem. That is literally to the man. WHO said it is not relevant to WHAT was said. The question was about the STATEMENTS and anyone even CLAIMING that there was no racism in saying that had we elected a man RUNNING on a segragationist ticket as president we wouldnt be having all these problems is beyond being a moron. He would have to ASPIRE to great leaps in cognitive ability to QUALIFY as a moron. I am sorry your neighborhood morons anonymous club rejected you as being to dumb for them.
Yo, Pregmatic--
No racists runnin' that Liberal Plantation, just kind folks tellin' the inmates "don't even bother with tryin' to move up--this country's got the lowest rating for that..."
I guess only a simple minded conservative would see that pointing out a FACT is somehow trying to keep someone down. How about once we EXPOSE a problem it becomes something we can deal with. I get that you prefer to push the delusional fantasies you keep running in your head like an old movie, rather than try to change things. Lets keep everything that doesnt portray the world as conforming to a John Wayne movie our dirty little secret. Lets play pretend instead of facing reality and DOING something about it. No wonder you conservatives SUCK at governing.
Byrd has learned from, apologized profusely for, and atoned for, his mistakes. More than can be said for a lot of right-wingers, including Michael Savage.
I can't think of one thing for which Savage has to apologize. He also wasn't in the KKK. Apples and oranges. It's funny how when Strom Thurmond changed his views, that was only out of political expediency. However, Byrd is "sincere." Sure.
Byrd gets a pass because he's a Democrat. It's really that simple.
You do realize that Thurmond, never apologized for his racist past at all. He claimed it was all in the name of "state's rights". Whereas Byrd, as others have said, has apologized for, tried to atone for, and basically has tripped over himself to show that he has changed over the years. Does that absolve him of what he did a long time ago in this case? Not completely, but then again, God will judge him later on in death won't he?
You couldn't make this stuff up.
Here we have a fictitious Colonel, escaped from a video game, giving medical opinions. Hope you're more knowledgeable about medicine than you are the military, Kernel... Sir!
Gasosaurus was a type of dinosaur -- a theropod -- with a large skull and powerful legs that lived in the Jurassic period, if I remember correctly
Yeah, sometimes those childhood memories fade. Although, a big dinosaur like that probably leaves a pretty lasting image.
Did Weiner just acknowledge that the world is over 6,000 years old?
Why does he hate the Baby Jesus?
No, weiner was telling us of his memories of the gasosaurus. I merely commented that the gasosaurus' head and legs may have seemed much larger from his perspective as a small "bright-eyed" little boy, especially if it was trying to eat him. But perspective aside, it proves that dinosaurs and men (or at least a young weiner) inhabited the earth at the same time, proving the story of the baby jesus.
Rusty, Savage has never said that the world is 6,000 years old. Ever.
Stop lumping all conservatives together.
...saying Beck is worse than Bin Laden is debatable at best. - Iflurry
This proves emphatically that some of the people on this sight should definitely receive mental help. With that I regret that I must leave the discussion.....going home from work. So feel free to talk about the evil con while I'm not here, Have fun! With God's will and your idiocy, I will return.
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I'll clarify here, though I doubt it will make a difference:
Bin Laden is a mass murderer and a brainwasher. But he operates largely underground, supported by and speaking to groups that must remain in similarly covert conditions.
Beck is only a brainwasher, but he operates close to the mainstream (I hesitate to say he is directly in it, but I digress). As I said, he is paid handsomely to produce propaganda that is distributed by an American corporation.
And though nearly 3,000 Americans were killed on 9/11 due to Bin Laden's plans, over 3,000 Americans have died in Iraq. That war was largely supported by people on Beck's side of the political spectrum (yes, I know there was popular Congressional support for the initial invasion, but that, again, is another topic.), and the continuing War on Terror is probably not helped by his anti-Muslim statements.
Lastly, I said it was "debatable". I chose my words carefully. It's arguing something very difficult to measure, which I also stated. And no, I do not mean to suggest Beck really is as bad as, or worse, than Bin Laden. I was playing Devil's Advocate to show it's an absurd accusation to make.
OK...so by your logic (beck MIGHT be worse than bin laden) I can go ahead and asume that Clinton was worse than Bush because more american soldiers died while he was in office than have died in the Iraq war. And that to the fact that Clinton's casualties happened during peace time and Bush's were a result of the greatest atack against America since pearl harbor and that makes "Slick Willy" look even worse. (Data taken from the New york Sun). Secondly, your assertion that Beck is dangerous for his "anti-muslim" rhetoric is absurd. Beck DOES speak out against muslims....radical muslims. The kind of muslims that would put a bomb in your child's school or park 2 planes into a building. In fact Mr. Beck spent monday at a cecular muslim conference in Florida and later had many muslim guests on his radio program...I hate to let these facts refute your rhetoric which is pretty much all you have. And to your playing the "devil's advocate"...this website takes everything (for example beck's "harrasment" of that female guest) that right-wing pundits say literaly. It allows no room to allow for sarcasm or hyperbole. Why then are the rules different when you assert that beck "might" be as bad as Bin Laden as opposed to when a right-winger makes an off color joke? Clearly a double standard. If you honestly think that Mr. beck is 1/10000000000000 as evil or dangerous as a man whose entire goal is YOUR death you are clearly beyond help.
OK...so by your logic (beck MIGHT be worse than bin laden) I can go ahead and asume that Clinton was worse than Bush because more american soldiers died while he was in office than have died in the Iraq war. And that to the fact that Clinton's casualties happened during peace time and Bush's were a result of the greatest atack against America since pearl harbor and that makes "Slick Willy" look even worse.
Sure, why not? You have stated your opinion, and you supported it with facts (Not very good ones, but that's MY opinion).
(Data taken from the New york Sun).
Don't make me LOL.
Secondly, your assertion that Beck is dangerous for his "anti-muslim" rhetoric is absurd. Beck DOES speak out against muslims....radical muslims. The kind of muslims that would put a bomb in your child's school or park 2 planes into a building.
Or get elected to Congress. He blurs the line between "good Muslim" and "bad Muslim" (to use his own terms).
In fact Mr. Beck spent monday at a cecular muslim conference in Florida and later had many muslim guests on his radio program...I hate to let these facts refute your rhetoric which is pretty much all you have.
If you poke around this site a bit, I'm sure you'll find plenty of moments of Beck acting like he doesn't like Muslims very much. Again, how he actually feels seems DEBATABLE, but thanks to Media Matters, I have much more than rhetoric and you will find it is not that easy to refute all they have documented.
And to your playing the "devil's advocate"...this website takes everything (for example beck's "harrasment" of that female guest) that right-wing pundits say literaly.
I don't see how Beck's harassment can be compared to playing Devil's Advocate. Do you have an extended transcript or video clip that shows Media Matters took a righty out of context?
It allows no room to allow for sarcasm or hyperbole.
Sometimes a smear is a smear. It's quite easy to say hateful things and hide behind such concepts in order to help "normalize" otherwise obviously harmful ideologies.
Why then are the rules different when you assert that beck "might" be as bad as Bin Laden as opposed to when a right-winger makes an off color joke? Clearly a double standard.
Why can you not see the difference? I'm trying to say that, since quantifying how "bad" one individual is compared to another is next to impossible, you can debate over who is worse. How is that anything like an off-color joke?
If you honestly think that Mr. beck is 1/10000000000000 as evil or dangerous as a man whose entire goal is YOUR death you are clearly beyond help
Can you prove Beck is less than 1/10000000000000 as evil as Bin Laden? Have you given each of them an "evil test" to measure their level of evilosity? Or have you been to Bin Laden's hideout and heard him mutter under his breath "I'll get that iflurry..."
Yes, I can easiy prove that beck is 1/1000000000000 less evil than Bin Laden...it's quite simple...here's the formula Bin laden (responsible for 3,000 + innocent deaths) > Beck (responsible for 0 innocent deaths). I know it's hard to understand for someone who is delusional but it's pretty cut and dry. Now I don't know you but I do pity the state of your mental condition....please sir (or ma'am) see a professional.
Are you suggesting that, not only can you measure how evil someone is, but you can also do it merely by counting the number of murders they've committed? What about all the Nazi propagandists who did no killing themselves? Are they not evil at all? And if "evil" is synonymous with "murder", why didn't you just argue that Bin Laden was a worse murderer than Beck (which I can't argue against) instead of the infinitely more subjective "worse"?
So Beck is akin to Nazi propogandists....the more you post the more I pity your mental state. I'm just glad they allow you to get on the internet at your particular sanitarium. Beck has called for no violence against anyone except for terrorists or states whose government are seeking nukes and have already said they want to use them on other nations (iran). To compare him to Nazis is so absurd it's laughable. How do you see the sceen while wearing your padded helmet?
The Nazi comment was a bit of a juvenile thing to say, I admit. But I wanted to show how someone can do evil without killing, and couldn't think of any better comparison. He may not call for violence, but I believe he encourages hateful thinking.
And if you honestly think I live in a sanitarium, you should talk to the Martians that live in my toaster. They'll tell you I'm sane.
Thank you! Finally, the light of sanity breaks through the illogical rhetoric! There may be hope for you yet! I don't think you're insane....just some of those comments.
Holy moly, your math is worse than your english!
1/1000000000000 less evil = .9999999999999 as evil. that's pretty much equal, at least with any of our evilometrical instruments available to contemporary evilodesy. Perhaps in the future we'll be able to discern more accurate levels of evilation.
and 3000/0= imaginary number, a figure only valid in YOUR universe.
Again, congrats, I should have said 1/10000000000as evil. My point is that I was refuting a libs claim that it was debatealbe that beck was worse than binladen. I'll take a sentence structure slip over complete insanity any day.
I never said Beck killed more people than Bin Laden. But if the only way a person can be evil to you is to murder, then you have a very narrow view of the concept.
So by your assertions, Bush should be REALLY evil, because the number of innocent people killed under his war efforts in Afghanistan and Iraq, far exceed the less than 3000 people killed on 9/11. Or are those innocents who were caught up in the war not innocent? Or where they just "collataral damage"? So how does your evil rating work? Because if it works on number of innocent people killed, Bush should be at the top of the list for at least the past 6 years...
To answer your question yes, unfortunately, those casualties are collateral damage. I guess that in the many military actions during the Clinton years our bombs only hit enemy combatants....I doubt it. Listen, if a certain country HARBORS a terrorist org. that plots and acheives the deaths oF thousands of Americans these countries need to, at that point make a choice on whether to arrest or expel those groups or risk military retribution by the US.
Yes, the government of a nation should be held accountable for those they harbor. But not all casualties are responsible parties, sometimes bystanders are hurt, too.
When weinerocks starts usin "moron" and "idiot", that means he's "leaving work" (he's sleepy and mom needs the computer)
I hope he went home to learn the difference between "infer" and "imply".
The fact that all you have to debate me on is the misuse of the word "infer" proves that you really can't hold my jock on the issues. Yes...I admit it ...I made a gramatical error. Is that all you have? And for your info I'm a radio producer who does not live with mom. I'm also probably not as old as most folks on this site which makes it all the more tragic that people who i assume or older than I (people my age usually are not intereted in politics) are unable to best me when discussing the issues and must resort to pointing out irrelevant things such as grammitcal snafoos
No, actually the fact that you don't recognize when you've lost an argument makes me laugh. And when you lose track of the issue and claim victory, I laugh even more. And when you take that lack of perspective and apply it to a sociological analysis, I laugh some more.
I like you. You're funny.
By the way: it's "snafu".
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WOW...thanks for proving my point by being the human spellcheck and not addressing any issues you've outed yourself as a one trick pony. Congrats on being so inept at debate that you must resort to irrelevent retorts such as pointing out spelling errors.
I think you'll find that I also pointed out your mathematical errors.
OK, let's add it up, you've outed me as someone who's not the next Ernest Hemmingway, AND someone who chose a major wchich doen't require much math (history). I fai to see the relevance since this is a site dedicated to discussing POLITICAL issues. The simple fact that you fail to address the issues and must find irrelevent flaws in my written word or mathematical prowress mark you as someone unable to carry your own weight in a debate. Quite honestly, I consider you a second (maybe third) tier intellectual. I would vastly rather debate with people who rely on arguments relative to the issues such as Valentinian, solon, Irony, etc. Your pointing out poor writing abilites (the reason I'm NOT an english major) or math (which was actually just again poor writing) proves that you would rather avoid the issues than dealing with me head on. This would be akin to me pointing out bad spelling, as you did earlier instead of engaging in debate.
For example
For God's sake, please stop? - Neondesert
OMG! A misuse of the question mark! Last I checked fractions were learned later on in the school system than puntuation so I guess I'm a few grades ahead of you. So if you want to continue playing this irrelevent game of "who has the most composition mistakes" I'll gladly continue. Moron. (well aware that's not a complete sentence) - SR
"you've outed yourself as a one trick pony"
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Irony-impaired one, heal thyself.
Someone who is a FAN of clearly insane Weinerdog, is talking to US about sanity? Whats next a lesson on war planning by Donald Rumsfeld? You need to seek help immediatly
It's odd that you mentioned Rummy. Mike calls him RUMSFLED, and has been calling him "McNamara redux", and for his dismissal long before Bush fired him.
Ya, Savage rocks. Savage Rocks Med. Matt's arse.
Even a blind pig, and apparantly an insane one finds an acorn once in a while. Weiner is insane, he belongs in an institution, he needs to increase his medication
Healing Children Naturally, which Savage co-wrote
Let me guess. His idea of 'healing' involves some KY jelly and his millimeter of manhood.
You are a sexual deviate, go home.
Wait a minute.....I thought to the right Mark Foley was a sexual deviant?
HAHAHA!
Hey SavageRocks
I can't let the evening get away without pointing out a few things. You need to grab a dictionary and look up Infer. I think what you probably meant was--Imply. It's a semi-common mistake, but it makes you sound like some moron who spends too much time listening to talk radio programs such as Savage Nation. I can't remember if it was the 11th or 12th grade where this was taught, so if it is the 12th--my bad.
You think Liberalism might actually be a mental disorder? I'll point out that throughout history Liberalism ALWAYS WINS. ALWAYS ! There is no other option. Boil down Liberlism and conservatism and you have the classical fight between Progress and Stagnation. Throughout history most wars have been between and among conservatives. Hitler, BinLaden, Stalin, Hussein, Bush, Reagan, Bush, (and the list goes on) were all right to far right leaning leaders. How does it feel to be on this side ?
Doctor Savage is a doctor of nutrition. Wow ! This makes me wonder how he is any different than any other *ssh01e on with an opinion. You guys are so thirsty for validation of your backward thinking and prejudices that you follow the likes of a drug addicted 3 times divorced draft dodging bigot (Limbaugh), a lying flag wrapped freedom concert military exploiting half wit (Hannity), and a vile bigoted homophobic paranoid vitamin peddler (Savage).
I pity you.
"Hitler, BinLaden, Stalin, Hussein, Bush, Reagan, Bush"
Not one "f4ggot" in the bunch... Makes John Edwards, with his sissified liberal ideas, look even more attractive as a Presidential candidate.
Actually Reagan was a beloved President. Deal with it.
That doesn't make him a good president.
Except he was.
Stuff you're phony pity you fool. (I pity the fool).
Grow up.
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copyright it.
Wow, quite an interesting take on history...Hitler (a BIG fan of gun control), Stalin (socialism anyone?), these people would seem to be quite a bit more on the LIB side of the aisle but again please don't let facts take away the sting of your rhetoric. And to answer your your question...YES, if someone says that it's debatable that Glen Beck is a worse person than Bin Laden then at the very least that person is metaly deficient. The fact that he's ysing his backward logic to argue a liberal point just makes it all the more sweet
Just because Hitler may have advocated gun control and Stalin ran a communist regime, that doesn't make them liberals any more than Hilter's being vegetarian made him an animal rights activist.
Also, I tried to make it as clear as possible that the Beck vs. Bin Laden argument was me playing Devil's Advocate for an issue that was very nebulous to begin with. Please stop putting words in my mouth. If there was anybody else making the claim, I'd like to know what they said.
I'm just wondering why, when you post something completley illogical you can attempt to exonerate yourself with your "devil's advocate" defense but this entire website is determined to take what pundits/commentators say 100% literally not allowing for sarcasm or hyperbole. Seems like a double standard to me.
Oh, and I'll stop "putting words in your mouth" as soon as you stop making completely insane comments once you lose an argument.
It's not a double standard ecause I clearly said I was playing Devil's Advocate (on a nebulous issue, no less) and you have yet to refute how comparing two very successful hatemongers is illogical. But why do you feel the need to put words in my mouth? Either quote me or don't make any claim as to what I said at all.
You said you were being the "devil's advocate" only after I pointed out how asinie your statement was. Firstly Beck is NOT a hatemonger, he speaks against RADICAL islamists who would kill you right now if they had the chance. Secondly, the reason you can't compare the two (and I really can't understand why you can't grasp this) is because Bin laden is a MASS MURDERER....Beck is just someone you happen to disagree with
I meant to type asinine
I didn't say anything...
"I meant to type asinine"
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So you're finally signing your posts?
Then I should have been more clear in my first post. And I did say that this Beck vs. Bin Laden thing was DEBATABLE, I never actually took a position. And while you are a person I disagree with, Beck IS a hatemonger, and if you don't see why I say that then you haven't been on this site enough. In fact, the way you keep mentioning that the radical Muslims have a vendetta against some punk from a website who calls himself "iflurry" seems like you're clutching at straws to me.
As far as I can tell, this whole Beck vs. Bin Laden thing is a straw man you created representing only your warped view of liberals.
I don't think you truly understand the radical muslim extremists. They don't have a problem with you...they have a problem with the west and non-muslims. This is why they blow up school buses, train, buildings, run over people on the street, shoot up jewish centers in Seatle, "peacful" things like that. Beck speaks out against these muslims NOT all muslims
And the entire discussion evolved from me pointing out that lefties in the media also use hyperbole (olberman IMPLYING that Beck was a worse person than Bin Laden), after that....you snapped.
"after that....you snapped."
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I saw no "snap." What I saw was a thorough thrashing of your ignorance and logical fallacies, your two strong suits. You bring nothing else to the discussion, except a lack of the ability to know when you are beaten and people here are laughing at you.
They don't have a problem with you...they have a problem with the west and non-muslims. You said they were targeting me. Of course, I understand that's your hyperbole, but that does not make it any less obtuse.
This is why they blow up school buses, train, buildings, run over people on the street, shoot up jewish centers in Seatle, You forget to mention that they do those things primarily to cause fear. They want us to fear them, since they cannot fight us "head on", so to speak.
"peacful" things like that. Who called terrorists peaceful? This is the sort of cynicism that Beck's rhetoric encourages.
And how, exactly, did I "snap"?
I'd also love to hear you explain how Hitler and Stalin are liberals, again.
Actually Hitler was for animal rights.
Hitler advocated gun control. That's liberal. Stalin was a Communist. That's liberal. It's really that simple.
Bin Laden has strong religious beliefs and thinks evolution is bunk. I guess that makes him a conservative, by your standards?
Its that simple for the simpleminded. That kind of Manichean thinking is why your political posts are so worthless. I guess using the same logic I could say Hitlers strong support of military spending and Stalins penchant for using sedition laws mean are conservative so they are conservatives I could just as easily say its just THAT simple
YES AND PENICILLIN IS SPORES FROM THE MOON PEOPLE TO MAKE OUR CHILDREN BUY JAPANESE PORN!
seriously. you can't make this kind of crazy up.
Media Matters instigated this war on Michael Savage, and I'm sure they're too afraid to see it to its conclusion.
Whatever that means.
There is no war. Weinerdog, rants, raves and exposes his insanity. MMFA documents it and goes to what comes next. Weiner HATES those not indoctrinated by the koolaid seeing his insane bigotry exposed to normal people and goes ballistic. Not a war.
MMFA looks to still be going strong, if you ask me. It's Savage who broke his vow not to talk about them and sent the indignant e-mail.
The only one displaying fear is Weiner.
I've noticed that some comments on this site are very anti-Savage, they say hs is a Nazi, etc. , but they do not counter ONE single argument he presents. They seem obsessed with him, but this may have to do with his charisma and brilliance which naturally tends to attract people. It seems to be me that Dr. Savage has made an excellent diagnosis. Our culture has been tragically feminized. One small bit of evidence to point this out, would be the television commercials that constantly portray men as weak, effeminate, subservient to women, or totally absent. Just analyze the tv ads. In movies you will see much of the same. Liberals, gay activists, and feminists control much of what America is presented with in our Media. Look who hosted the recent Oscars: Ellen Degeneres. The Media is hell bent on destroying Family Values, and push their gay, pro-abortion, anti-Christian agendas. Americans are fed up with this b.s., and this is why Dr. Savage, Hanitty, Rush, Ingraham, Elders, and many, many other Conservative Voices are so inmensely popular today. They are neutralizing what the Mainstream Liberal Pro-Democrat-Biased Media is dishing out to us. Viva Savage!
Partyrico, you really are feminizing this thread with your scared little girl whining.
Uh, you misunderstand the dynamic. It's up to Weiner to substantiate his arguments. He just throws unsubstantiated crap out there, like you just did. That's not "making a point."
To the extent Weiner DID make a point, about Ritalin being overprescribed, it has been addressed by several posters.
What arguments. Calling people names and ranting as insanely as Weiner does isnt a call for rebuttal. Its a call for Thorazine. The whole feminzing thing is just so dumb I didnt realize anyone was simplemided enough to take it seriously. Did your father care if you went hungry? Did he want to be sure you got a decent education? Now the key question, in your strangely simplistic world did that make him LESS OF A MAN? Until you guys stop viewing the world with such childlike simplicity, you will never understand it and never get a clue. Weiners sanity challenged rants arent aimed at making arguments to better the world, they only give insecure people someone to target and feel superior to. Its like the old story about the poor farmer. His black neighbor was marginally more productive and bought a mule, when the mule died his son knew he had killed it and asked him why his answer was because if you arent better than a black man who are you better than. People with REAL self confidence and a healthy self image dont need to feel BETTER than to feel good about themselves but to those with a damaged self image its crucial that they feel better than SOMEBODY. That is the service Weiner provides through his insane, bigoted ranting attacks. The sad part is that more than two people think it is worth spending more than ten seconds on
You do evince one thing that makes a strong argument in your favor: Ellen Degeneres is twice the man you are.
Maybe it's only those of us who haven't yet been feminized who don't see the conspiracy.
Just like in the movie The Thing I think we should all have our blood tested. Whoever's blood reacts violently to the heat probe is the Whiny Hiney Weiner Savage.
Or, Savage could come forward ( or FOward as he says ), be a man and admit he's been "sleeping with the enemy".
So, which one of us is Weiner, The Thing?
"So, which one of us is Weiner, The Thing?"
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Ann Coulter.
Oh, never mind, you said who is Weiner, not who has one...
You guys/gals and your tool envy kills me. Is this a porn site?
Or, Savage could come forward ( or FOward as he says ), be a man and admit he's been "sleeping with the enemy".
He has been sleeping wiht a ultra-liberal?
Well, leaving work.....soooo....go ahead and post about me while I'm gone. I hate to leave this site and remove 99.56% of all logic and rationality from this forum but I digress. With God's will and liberal idiocy...I shall return.
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With God's will and liberal idiocy...I shall return.
You keep saying that, but you always return with conservative idiocy.
"I hate to leave this site and remove 99.56% of all logic and rationality from this forum but I digress.'
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You also display your lack of mathematical aptitude. When you leave the site the average IQ will go up almost 100%.
Wow, nice retort....took you an hour to come up with that one huh? You're quite the clever one!
Yeah, he read it the moment you posted it, and sat at his computer for an entire hour doing nothing but thinking of how to put you in your place.
I can hear the air getting pumped into your head as I type this, RockyWeiner.
I hate to leave this site and remove 99.56% of all logic and rationality from this forum but I digress.
Somebody has a bit of an ego. Unless he seems to think people like Politico and Leatherhelmet are just another one o' us crazy liberals.
Yes I'm quite aware of the other small nuber of cons on this site but at the time I was blogging yesterday I didn't notice if any of them were posting. Obviously if they were whenever I left there were still SOME people who think logically left.
But then again, anyone who's a con is akin to a nazi propogandist roght Iflurry? Here's my suggestion for your THINK BEFORE you post. It's help.
It's rather curious that someone with such poor grammar and spelling is telling me to think before I post. But then again, you seem to think you're above such petty things as using language correctly. Incidentally, "It's help" is the most unintentionally funny phrase I've heard in a while.
Oh there are plenty of us. One day if you are VERY lucky you might be able to actually recognize logic. I doubt though that you will EVER have the capacity to produce any.
No kidding! Mikey ain't perfect but these thread about him are hilarious. It gives the lefties something to chirp about. They need the practice.
Anyone can use practice it makes perfect. What conservative morons like YOU are in dire need of is the capacity for higher brain function
As much as I despise the hateful crap he spews, I have to admit I admire Savage.
He's done such a fine job of manipulating both the conservatives and liberals, and neither side can see him for what he really is. Savage is an entertainer, and it's pretty clear to me that his comments are geared towards firing up both sides, and creating controversy. I find it hard to believe that what he says on air is really what he believes. Give a careful listen when he startsscreaming, does the anger sound real to you?
His slamming of the liberals gets conservatives fired up, and arouses the "disaffected angry white male". At the same time, his hate speech gets the liberal elitists foaming at the mouth.What's the end result? More attention, more ratings, and more money in the bank for Savage.
That, and large groups of Media Matter posters guilty of the same name calling and hatrid that they see in Savage.
Conservatives fall for it because they refuse to think in non black and white terms.Liberals fall for it because they they think they already know everything.
Savage is crazy like a fox.