Coulter's "Macaca moment" spurs newspapers to drop column
In the wake of right-wing pundit Ann Coulter's recent remarks at the Conservative Political Action Conference about Democratic presidential candidate John Edwards, at least three newspapers -- The Lancaster New Era (Pennsylvania), The Oakland Press (Michigan), and The Mountain Press (Sevierville, Tennessee) -- have decided to drop Coulter's nationally syndicated column from their opinion pages, according to an article on Editor & Publisher's website.
A July 2, 2006, New York Post article about allegations of plagiarism in Coulter's last book, Godless: The Church of Liberalism (Crown Forum, 2006), reported that her column "is syndicated to more than 100 newspapers." Media Matters for America has compiled a confirmed list of daily newspapers that currently carry Coulter's column:
| Newspaper | State | Editor | Contact |
| (El Centro) Imperial Valley Press* | CA | Brad Jennings | |
| (Palmdale) Antelope Valley Press | CA | Jana Treece | editor@avpress.com |
| Pasadena Star-News | CA | Steve O'Sullivan | steve.osullivan@sgvn.com |
| (West Covina) San Gabriel Valley Tribune | CA | Steve Scauzillo | letters.tribune@sgvn.com |
| Whittier Daily News | CA | Linda Beckman | letters.tribune@sgvn.com |
| (Yreka) Siskiyou Daily News | CA | Jean Smith | editor@siskiyoudaily.com |
| (Jacksonville) The Florida Times-Union | FL | Patrick A. Yack | pat.yack@jacksonville.com |
| The St. Augustine Record | FL | Jim Sutton |
editor @staugustinerecord.com |
| The Villages Daily Sun | FL | Larry Croom |
larry.croom@ thevillagesmedia.com |
| (Canton) Cherokee Tribune | GA | Barbara Jacoby | bjacoby@cherokeetribune.com |
| Marietta Daily Journal | GA | Joe Kirby | letters@mdjonline.com |
| (Twin Falls) Times-News | ID | David Cooper | http://www.magicvalley.com/ |
| (Bloomington) Pantagraph | IL | Bill Wills | letters@pantagraph.com |
| (Carbondale) The Southern Illinoisian | IL | James Bennett |
james.bennett @thesouthern.com |
| (DeKalb) Daily Chronicle Coulter Dropped4 | IL | Inger Koch |
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| (Decatur) The Herald & Review Coulter Dropped5 | IL | Dave Dawson | |
| (Joliet) The Herald News | IL | Bill Wimbiscus | heraldnews@scn1.com |
| (Springfield) The State Journal-Register6 | IL | Mike Matulis | mike.matulis@sj-r.com |
| (Gary) The Post-Tribune | IN | Paulette Haddix | editor@post-trib.com |
| (Warsaw) Times-Union | IN | Gary Gerard | news@timesuniononline.com |
| Bastrop Daily Enterprise | LA | Mark Rainwater |
mrainwater @bastropenterprise.com |
| (Lake Charles) American Press Coulter Dropped2 | LA | Brett Downer |
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| (Shreveport) The Times Coulter Dropped1 | LA | Craig Durrett |
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| (Jackson) The Clarion Ledger | MS | David Hampton | dhampton@clarionledger.com |
| (Lumberton) The Robesonian | NC | Donnie Douglas | dbdouglas@carolina.net |
| The Sanford Herald Coulter Dropped3 | NC | Billy Liggett |
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| (Gallup) Independent | NM | Darrel Beehner | ga11p1nd@cnetco.com |
| Elko Daily Free Press | NV | Jeffry Mullins | editor@elkodaily.com |
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Las
Vegas Review- Journal |
NV | John Kerr | JKerr@reviewjournal.com |
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Lancaster Eagle- Gazette |
OH | Antionette Taylor-Thomas | ataylort@nncogannett.com |
| (Mansfield) News Journal | OH | Carl Hunnell | chunnell@nncogannett.com |
| The Lawton Constitution | OK | David Hale | paper@sirinet.net |
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(Greensburg) Pittsburgh Tribune- Review |
PA | Colin McNickle | cmcnickle@tribweb.com |
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(Uniontown) Herald- Standard |
PA | Paul Sunyak | psunyak@heraldstandard.com |
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(Wilkes-
Barre) Times- Leader |
PA | Jean LaCoe | jlacoe@timesleader.com |
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The Denton Record- Chronicle |
TX | Mike Trimble | mtrimble@dentonrc.com |
| Marshall News Messenger | TX | Phil Latham | platham@coxmnm.com |
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(New Braunfels) The Herald- Zeitung Coulter Dropped5 |
TX | Douglas Toney |
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| Plainview Daily Herald | TX | Kevin Lewis |
1kevin @plainviewdailyherald.com |
| The Waco Tribune-Herald Coulter Dropped5 | TX | John Young | |
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(Harrisonburg) Daily
News- Record |
VA | Peter Yates | pyates@dnronline.com |
| (St. Johnsbury) The Caledonian- Record | VT | Dana Gray | grayd@caledonian-record.com |
| Watertown Daily Times | WI | John McFadden | news1@wdtimes.com |
| (Waukesha) The Freeman6 | WI | Bill Yorth | byorth@conleynet.com |
| (West Bend) Daily News | WI | Jill Badzinski | dailynews@conleynet.com |
| Casper Star-Tribune | WY | Clark Walworth |
clark.walworth @casperstartribune.net |
Readers may want to contact the editors of these newspapers
to discuss the papers' decisions to carry Coulter's
column. Readers may also contact Media
Matters if they know of newspapers that carry Coulter's column
that are not on this list.
1 The Times of Shreveport has also dropped Coulter's column.
2 Update: Brett Downer, editor of the American Press, informed Media Matters for America on March 8 that the newspaper "dropped Ann Coulter on Monday," three days after Coulter made her comments.
3Update: Billy Liggett, editor of The Sanford Herald of North Carolina, informed Media Matters on March 9 that the newspaper "will no longer run Coulter's column."
4Update: The DeKalb, Illinois, Daily Chronicle released a statement on March 9 announcing that Coulter was "no longer welcome in the Chronicle," as Media Matters noted.
5Media Matters noted on June 15, 2007, that these papers had also dropped Coulter's column.
6Media Matters noted on June 15, 2007, that these papers had added Coulter's column.















Wow, not one of them I read, at least anymore. I used to live in Jacksonville so i am not surprised about the Times-union, but the rest of the list, what collection of 2nd tier (at best) small town papers. All subscribing to a 4rd tier thinker (to contrast and compare, Rainman was 3nd tier, at least he could count correctly) with no social skills.
She is SO HOT FOR HIM. Just like in elementary school, if you trash a boy, everyone KNOWS you have a crush on him!
Thank you Media Matters
For providing this list. This is the best way to fight the hatemonger Ann. Hate speech has no place in the nations newspapers.
Agree... good move, MMFA.
Thanks...
The Villages Daily Sun is the paper I was reading while on vacation. Malkin and Coulter on the same page, I thought the thing might explode.
Yikes! That's all I could say to those 2 appearing in the same paper. Yikes...
I was wondering if that was the one you referred to, Bruce. That's a very conservative part of Florida down there.
Yes, I think most of the people there are about as far to the right of me as I am to you. Of course, over 90% of the people there are upper middle class, retired, and white. It's not exactly a melting pot in The Villages.
Except during August. *rimshot*
I am upper middle class white middle aged and liberal as all get out. I understand the demographics though.
you forgot atheist, gay, and an avid lover of art - right?:)
Sheesh. Would the heart of a conservative just drop dead if they didn't generalize about a group of people for one second?
No married Christian and I do love art. You need to give those amazing mind reading powers a rest. They dont work. Or else you are just a moron. Thats probably it
haaaaaahahaha just having some schoolyard fun with you, its a joke you know
Yeah, I know, me too. I often indulge my inner six year old
Hey Roy, I've got a joke for you--I thought about telling the other posters about one of our conversations, but I would have to go into rehab if I used the word fagg0tt.
Wow, is that funny or what?
Kids in school who call me a Nazi (grow UP) just 'cuz I'm German ALSO say they were just making a joke... I think there's a fine line there, but I don't know where it is, exactly.
put that paper down real slow and walk away! Then call the bomb squad
Better call an exorcist.
LOL, right, its a wonder it didnt spontaneously combust
who cares? it's like getting dropped from your highschool newspaper, no one's going to notice. it isn't like her main source of income or claim to fame was her being a newspaper columnist.
get her website shut down and her banned from msnbc/cnn and ill give you credit, but 3 hick newspapers does not deserve a pat on the back.
Col. it is just a start, but I think the more pressure put on MSNBC, CNN (FOX is hopeless) to no longer air this hatemonger will help. I do not see the difference between her and David Duke.
David Duke is more feminine.
"David Duke is more feminine."
He's also had cosmetic surgery... (true)
Once again you demonstrate your incredible talent at skewering with wit, humour and with conciseness. I bow in subjecation at your feet, and humbly ask permission to kiss the hem of your robe.
Thanks, but did you check out Solon's work on this thread? Fk'ing brilliant.
Second that, Rusty. Solon is very civil and low-key, but goes into orange-level butt-whup in about 2.2 secs.Love yer work, both of you.
And not to toot my own horn, but that thread you linked was a test for me.You may know that I battle a pun abuse problem, and it can be triggered by any lame wordplay red meat thrown down on these threads.You may have seen some embarrasing displays of pundemonium by me.I'm sorry.
Atheist (brilliantly) couldn't resist nominating Michael Weiner as "wurst" person in the world.I turned off the computer and took a walk.
One day at a time.
Thanks both of you. I had to take a ten minute laugh break on that one too. There are some incredibly clever liberals on this site, they have me in stitches all the time.
Pardon me , Dorris, but I don't see any difference between those who would silence speech that "offends" them and the views of David Duke.
Nobody has silenced anyone's speech here. She can go to a street corner and preach her hate all day long.
Colonel, you've got to start somewhere don't you?
And if you don't think syndication in newspapers doens't bring in good cash, you're incorrect on that one. It is probably the bulk of her income I would think. Website won't ever get shut down, because there will always be someone willing to front the money to keep it up and running, and even if there wasn't, she could start a free blog just like tons of people have going on these days. Her voice on the internet, unfortunately, will most likely never be shut up. And I think as someone else said yesterday, as long as there is a FoxNews, she'll have a spot on TV.
bulk of her cash ASIDE from fox contract = BOOK, book tour, speeches, then columnist
she probably got millions from her last book and a lot for the ones before it.
what's funny is that the media pretends to disavow her, while playing her clips over and over and over and over again (even mmfa does it by making posts about her). if they just ignored her, her influence would diminish. just like billo is smart to ignore mmfa, while savage is making it worse by mentioning their name.
Sure Roy, ignore her. She'll go away.
She's a tool of the Republican party, she'll go away when she has outlived her usefulness to The Party.
Of course, the regular appearances in newspapers probably boosts her ability to get gigs in the remaining areas.
But keep whistling past the graveyard.
But Savage is a regular in these postings, O'Reilly isn't.
...and isn't the aim of a movement conservative supposedly to advance conservative philosophy? Doesn't this hurt the movement in the long run? Well, they still have the colonel spreading his lovely brand of conservatism on the web. The movement is lucky to have someone of like him working on their behalf, and WE Liberals are definetly lucky that he is.
But us Liberals are starting to get good at this. We cost O'Reilly a speaking engagement a while back. I heard that he gets 30K per speech. Now were getting into Coulters pocketbook. I say we turn up the heat on all of them. I get excited to think that maybe with enough pressure, someday they will all become extinct.
(Oh wow, I think I need a cigarette)
Why do "Liberals" wish to silence speech they don't like? I'm just curious, "TheRick".
DVDBOOKER1959-- "Why do "Liberals" wish to silence speech they don't like? I'm just curious, "TheRick"."
Liberals (myself) will fight for your 1st ammendment rights. But, keep in mind that free speech does not give one the right to lie, incite violence, or infringe on others rights in other ways. Yet, this is what Coulter does. And while I would not take away her right to free speech, even though I feel she has proved herself unworthy of that right because of her lies and abusiveness, I strongly believe there should be penalties for such. After all, if you slander someone, there are damages, and a price is often paid. If someone yells "fire" in a crouded theater, and someone else is trampled to death, the person who yelled fire might very well be convicted of manslaughter. Perhaps losing newspaper contracts, book deals, and television engagements will be her penalty.
Now, in case you're wondering, I believe this is applicable to everyone. Right, Left, Center, Republicans, Democrats, Black, White, there are no boundries. Coulter stopped just short of calling Edwards a f4g. Now ask; "Why did she word it that way instead of coming right out and saying it?" Answer--She knew exactly what she was doing, and she stopped just short of a lawsuit. She knew it was offensive, and I submit that her head would have exploded if Al Franken had said something similar about Bush or Cheney.
What concerns me is why you (and so many others) don't ask this question--"Why do conservatives believe that this sort of speech is acceptable in a civilized society?" I assume your not a Liberal given the way you phrased your question, yet I don't know if you consider yourself a Conservative. If you are a Conservative, does this type of speech make you proud that she is a spokesperson for your beliefs?
So, TheRick, you think Coulter is unworthy of free speech because you "feel" that she lies and is abusive? You might want to consult the Constitution about that. And if I ever need someone to "fight" for my 1st Amendment rights (note to TheRick: There's only one "m" in "Amendment" but you'd know that if you studied the Constitution) the last person I'd look to would be a Liberal.
There's only one "m" in "Amendment" but you'd know that if you studied the Constitution)
Sorry. Just HAD to see THAT one again.
Nobody is infringing on Coulter's First Amendment right. You have to show US where the First Amendment guarantees Coulter's right to appear in any newspaper she feels like, vs. the newspaper's right to say "We don't want this woman's trash anywhere near our paper."
There's only one "m" in "Amendment" but you'd know that if you studied the Constitution)
You got me on that one, Bittermmarv. I guess I'mm just a mmoron. TheRick's point was that Coulter isn't "worthy" of her rights to free speech. That just struck me as being a little high and mmighty of himm.
Rights do come with responsibilities. Many of Miss Coulter's fans seem unaware of that.
Sorry for the double (triple) "m" in amendment, however, I don't believe the spelling error made my respectful reply less coherent to anyone but you. Since you conveniently missed the point, (and failed to answer my questions) allow me to restate it.I never said I feel she lies and is abusive--I know (as do you) she does that. Here is my quote-- "And while I would not take away her right to free speech, even though I feel she has proved herself unworthy of that right because of her lies and abusiveness. . ." I think you misread what I said. I do feel she has proved herself unworthy of free speech, just as I feel that a murderer is unworthy of his or her 2nd amendment rights. I hope this makes it clearer. I think we both know the 1st amendment does not give anyone the right to say whatever they want without consequences. If you don't understand that, perhaps you should check the Constitution.In answer to your shot about not having Liberals fight for your Constitutional rights,--Keep in mind that without Liberals there would never have been a Constitution.On a personal note, it wasn't very original the way you baited me with what appeared to be a serious question--"I'm just curious"-- then after receiving my answer ambushing me with crap bombs. However it did remove any doubt as to whether you were a Conservative. I thought you were imploring serious discussion--I'll be more careful with you in the future.If you were able to stand on the merits of your debate, you'd have answered MY questions. So, let's give it another try;Why do conservatives believe that this sort of speech is acceptable in a civilized society?Are you proud she is one of the spokespersons for your beliefs?
Ah no, there are no free speech rights to have your product bought. Nor are there any free speech rights to forum. Your free speech rights allow you to say what you want, within limits, and Anns have not been threatened. She can go to the park put up a soapbox and spew all the hate she wants. IF anyone tries to arrest her or silence her I would be the first to stand up for her right to do so. She also has the right to write all the books and colums she wants however there is no free speech right that demands anyone buy it. You have an erroneous view of what constitutes free speech
It's a start. And I doubt if you'll see a mad rush of newspapers to pick up her column either.
The sense I get is that Americans are sick and tired of the nastiness that so typifies the Republican Party and the right wing.
well for one no one buys newspapers anymore except senior citizens, and they primarily do it for the crossword puzzles (shoutout to jumble). to top it all off these newspapers are like the Prescott Sun or the Truckerville Tabloid with circulation about to hit 1000 and everyone is waiting in the office with balloons and cake for the huge celebration. yeeeeeaaaaaaaaaaaah
That's true for a lot of those papers, but the Jackson Clarion-Ledger has a pretty big readership. I think it's the biggest paper in Mississippi. Pretty good paper, too.
this is my daily routine for news - drudge, cnn.com, prisonplanet. then i check mmfa to see what fun stuff i missed on the con circuit from the day before, then watch some oreilly and the first 15min of hannity. how about you? do you even pick up a newspaper anymore?
i was trying to watch GMA today and they were talking about how a soldier was being charged with providing tactical info to al qaeda before 9-11, but they failed to report on if he was going to be sent to gitmo, what kind of trial he was going to have, lawyer?, etc...it made me mad so i shut it off. the old media is dead.
I read (more like browse) five newspapers online every day. Granted, I don't read the print versions, but it's the same content. I think the death of the traditional print media is wildly exaggerated; if anything, the advent of the Internet is helping it spread.
journalism is the worst thing you can major in these days, youll end up working for a blogger. with the internet, all you need is say 20 good columnists, a handful of guys to write AP stories, and a drudge to link them all into a centralized clickfest.
plus i dont know why everyone isnt HAPPY print press is dying, its going to save SOOOOOO many trees. isnt that a great thing???? See if you want to save the environment, find a better way to do things instead of just saying 'stop'.
I don't think many people care that print media is dying. You can get the same exact newspaper from the internet. It's just electronic.
Also, paper comes from tree farms.
Why would anyone in their right mind read (or browse) 5 newspapers a day? You must have noticed by now (maybe you haven't) that if you've read one, you've read them all.
Same with news networks, too, right? I don't need to watch CNN because FOX has the same news. In fact, let's just get rid of CNN, shall we?
I'm surprised you read even one newspaper.
Why are you surprised I read even one paper and why are you so angry, Bittermarvin?
Your statement that reading one paper is the same as reading them all is incredibly ignorant. That's why I'm surprised.
so now you claim to speak for everyone? Try getting your ego under control 'Col.'
being one myself, i know it can be hard to be a mixed race but you should try to have good self esteem and not to be such a jealous hater of people with egos:), it doesn't serve you well and won't do anything productive for you. i simply speak from stats ive seen that shows the old media is dying while the new media moves in. i mean, we're all on mediamatters and not reading our morning paper right??
Actually, the stats that I've seen lately say that almost 70% of people say that they read some form of printed news every day. That's a far cry from being obsolete.
Exactly. The "Col." proves again he makes stuff up. Or just repeats what he hears the right wingers on the radio make up.
EGO. That explains why you sound so convinced you know what you're talking about. The goal is to kill the ego chief, not embrace it. Ego only makes one look like an ass.
a good healthy ego gets you women (or men if youre a woman). no one likes a wuss with a beaten down ego, a spineless shell of a man:). if frank sinatra didnt have one he wouldn't have been able to be so successful. one should be humble and not prideful, but you should also be confident in everything you do otherwise people won't respect you.
Frank Sinatra was also a Mafia wannabe...
you need to stop watching 'robin and the 7 hoods', he made OTHER movies you know
Uhhh... Sinatra's Mafia ties were well documented. It's one of the reasons Bobby Kennedy convinced JFK to cut ties with Sinatra. (Ironically, at the same time Bobby Kennedy was secretly approving the CIA's attempts to recruit the Mafia to kill Castro.)
Maybe you should READ more instead of watching old Sinatra movies.
No you should be pragmatic with the understanding that at any time you may be wrong. That you never truly know anything with 100% certainty. That is humility friend. Ego's are for killing. That doesn't have anything to do with self respect. the dalai lama is a self confident guy because he has done just that.
Why does the dalai lama wear glasses? I thought he had reached "perfection".
Buddhism is not the path to enlightment, just rejection and denial. Monasticism will not reveal the truths about the world to anyone. There is no enlightenment without experiment and experience.
You need to learn the difference between ego and self-confidence, son.
Doesn't your mix race consist of White and Hispanic?..and isnt Hispanic an ehtnicity and not a race. Are you really a White person with some Hispanic heritage? BTW, are you the one who said that Mexicans would never support a Black for president and that Mexicans don't like Blacks. If you are you're a bigot!
why is it bigotry to saying what ive heard on the street and what the polls suggest?
http://www.diverseeducation.com/artman/publish/article_6086.shtml
Obama aside, disliking a whole group of people because of their ethnicity, race, and religion isn't bigoted? And did someone poll Mexicans and they said they didn't like Blacks or is this anecdotal information form the CIRCLES THAT YOU TRAVEL? Colonel I do believe you are a bigot.
common liberal flaw, you insert words into other peoples' mouths and turn the argument on them forcing them to defend themselves, and by doing so you skirt the original discussion. so ill play your game. yes im mixed race almost half mexican mostly white though. dated one black girl and went to prom with another who was half etc etc so youre whole bigot argument goes out the window. all i said was that most mexicans view blacks poorly, if you google it you can find a study that backs up what i already knew. i didnt say *I* view blacks poorly, i said most MEXICANS do. my grandmother told her kids and us all the time not to marry blacks/asians and i can tell my hispanic friends this and they are not shocked, they say, "haha mine too" and the ones i know who are actually here FROM mexico and not born here say that racism is worse over there.
get off your sensitive horse.
I 've been dispassionately observing yoi and I was simply stating an and stating the obvious disliking people base on ethnicity is bigotry. I don't care who it is. as for the Black girl dating, Thomas Jefferson like many slave owners dated a Black girl and he/they believed Blacks were inferior to Whites. Also, it's a sad phenomenom that minorities often fight with each other while each are vying for position in society. It's very sad.
but i dont dislike anyone based on ethnicity, you assumed that for some strange reason or picked it up somehow from your super sensitive racist finder radar. ok if that isnt enough for you then i also have a black friend that i hang out with and have a lot of respect for. i wasnt gonna pull the ol 'i have a black friend' line out but youre shortsightedness has forced me.
Jefferson was highly overrated. Patrick Henry was the only real Virginia liberal and the real anti-slavery icon of the day was Franklin.
I would have to add that George Mason was another great Virginia Liberal as well. He refused to sign the Constitution partially because it did not contain a Bill of Rights. The eventual Bill of Rights were also patterned off of Mason's Virginia Declaration of Rights.
Mason is one of the greatest Founding Fathers, but is often overlooked IMO.
The actual first "Declaration of Rights" is from the Dutch Republic, 17th century, when they formally seceded from Spain. It was already a familiar concept in 18th century political writings. Our 1776 state constitution begins with one, still does.
I like where in Virginia's constitution, it says "standing armies are a threat to liberty". So true, so true, we're seeing it in action. The bigger the standing armies, the more they want to play with them.
I'm guessing you don't understand the difference between anecodotes, facts, and the stuff you pull out of your butt. You certainly don't demonstrate any knowledge of same.
I don't know where you live, Lynn, but the "hispanics" in Los Angeles, CA can't seem to get along with the "blacks". They just shot a 13-year-old "black" girl for.....well....being "black" Wake up, girl.
You are, of course, wrong about "print dying." Newspapers, while not making the huge profits they used to, are still raking in a 20% profit, generally speaking, according to a Marketplace report last week. And even if a time comes that the papers don't appear in dead tree form anymore, they're still alive and well on the web.
But why should we be surprised that you're wrong about anything?
Boy, Colonel, you have a real superiority complex .
These are hick papers to you.
You've stated before that our military is full of "slack jawed yokels'.
What else do you have in your bag of tricks?
i say hick affectionately...it was a schoolyard taunt. so you're telling me these aren't smalltime nobody papers?
Here's the breakdown of your hick town newspapers. Shrevesport, LA has 190,000 people, a parish seat of a parish of 241,000 people. I've been through there, not a small town. Next up is Lancaster, PA. Population 56,000, county seat of 460,000 people. I know the area and it's quite conservative. Sevierville, TN is a small town, pop 11,000, county seat of 65,000.
All total, Coulter's column has just been yanked from 3 county seats, a total urban population of 257,000 people, and the centers of politics for 766,000 citizens. I'd say that's a significant drop in market and influence.
Col, I've tried accessing Ann's website multiple times in the past 2 days and it has never pulled up for me.
Having said that, I would not support in the LEAST having someone's website shut down, as I consider that a form of personal publishing. Difference being -- I can tell Publisher A that I've been buying their books for years, and will stop doing so if I know my dollars are going into Ann's pockets to fund more books filled with hate and lies, and I can tell Corporation B that I've been using their services for years, and I don't want my hard earned money to go into advertising space on Ann's website. I can't, however, tell ISP C that they shouldn't offer their paid services to someone I don't like - who they allow to pay THEM is their business.
her site is hemmoriging sponsors and being hit quite a lot from folks confirming the withdrawl of links and banners from her site. LOL she may close it down after all this :)
It may not be her "main source of income", but it is a source of publicity and advertising for her books, and it is a means of influencing people with her inaccurate facts and hatred.
Here's the letter I wrote to several of these papers:
Dear editor, Thank you for taking the time to read my comments. Ann Coulter is obviously bigoted and homophobic. But she has a right to her opinion. What bothers me more however is her willingness to use those or any issues to gain notoriety by pure sensationalism. She is clearly not a trustworthy source of opinion, as her opinion is defined by whatever will get her name on the front page to sell books -- no matter who she offends or how inaccurate her facts are. I urge you remove Ann Coulter's column from your pages, as she is an embarrassment to your otherwise fine newspaper. Thank you very much, Paul E. Jackson www.headybrew.net
Every little bit helps.
Good. This loudmouth doesn't have the creativity or the smarts to sustain her own brand of hate. It's about time. More to come, I'm sure.
Hahaha... I see the Political Correctness Police are out in force today doing their best to inhibit free speech. It figures.
Gotta love liberals...
This idiot deserves everything she gets. Do unto others and such... Yep. Poor Anne Coulter. Aaaww. I'm all welled up.
Greek,
I agree that people have every right to voice their displeasure at Coulter and her remarks, freedom of speech goes both ways and comes with responsibility and accountability. You cannot expect to be insulated from criticism or any repercussions because of what you say, Coulter included.
This is the same as the Dixie Chicks, where liberals everywhere whined that they were targeted and not given a fair shake - yet they are perfectly fine with Coulter living with the fallout. They both spoke their mind, their right - but like Coulter, they live with the ramifications.
Neither are victims.
I agree... Personally, I've never been (and am still not) a fan of the Dixie Chicks. I knew that whole thing would cause an increase in their popularity. Isn't rebellion the foundation of rock-n-roll after all? This pop-country phenom is no different.
The canard about 'limiting of free speech' is just that... false. Coulter can get on any street corner and babble, rant, rave as much as she likes. But, if someone is ponying up the dough, they then have every right to can her if she's not providing a service they like. That's life. In fact, an argument you have used in the past, I think.
I am in complete agreement with people expressing their disappoval in contacting media outlets and voicing their opinions. It is our absolute right. People that say controversial things make their living off of free speech - when they or their supporters don't like the consequences, they are being hypocrites.
Greek,
Glad you called it the pop country phenom. As Hank Williams III sings, "...Pop Country really sucks..."
Country has always been pop. I've had to sit thru some Nashville Network. I couldn't believe how many times they repeated the words "star" and "fan". Totally infused with the cult of celebrity.
Tommy, gotta disagree with you. True, I can't say if my opinion represents ALL of the liberals who argued against what happened to the dixie chicks (not a fan, but I really did like their remake of "landslide"), but I can say for sure there are a lot like me who see no problem doing this to Coulter for the fact that the right had no problem destroying the dixie chicks. It's that turn around is fair play mentality...
and, I was disagreeing about the assumption that liberals were being hypocritical, BTW. There are some, I give you that, but from what I see and hear it appears there are way more like me who are fed up with the one sided approach of the right and have decided to deal with it by following the payback in kind approach.
Snoopy, All I am saying is that free speech comes with consequences. Be prepared to live with whatever comes your way, legally, because of something you said........no matter who says it.
I do agree with that, always have. You can't yell fire in a crowded theatre and not expect to be arrested for inciting the following panic. And perhaps there is too much word parsing going on nowadays, but you can't hide the fact that fair play is seriously slanted to favor the right. That is the real root cause that needs to be addressed, Coulter is the medium for the left to use to start that discussion.
Tommy, this is really not a freedom of speech issue. This is a business isssue. The media is a business. Either radio, in response to the Dixie Chicks, or editorial pages, in regards to Anne Coulter. How we as listeners, or readers, respond effects the business. This is because businesses want to sell their media. Coulter can say anything she wants, but it does not mean any business has to market, or sell, what she says.
TOMMY
Liberals have a problem with HATE SPEECH, AND PREJUDICE - NOT FREE SPEECH!
It's all in the ears and eyes of the beholder. Bush supporters would tell you that what the Dixie Chicks said was hate speech, it's all highly subjective.
tell that to Andrew Sheppard and the children in OK City.
So you're trying to equate calling John Edwards a "f*ggot" with Natalie Maines saying that she's ashamed to be from the same state as Bush? I don't care what side of the political fence you're on, if this were a multiple choice quiz and you had to pick which one of those statements could possibly be considered hate speech, then the choice is obvious. It's not a subjective judgement at all.
Once your argumentativeness and ignorance gets the best of you. It doesn't matter which is more offensive, that's not the point. Both are expressions of speech and have consequences - people choose to stop reading or listening to Coulter, and people chose to stop listening to or buying DC records. To say one was treated unfairly and the other is not is absurd.
Who is saying that? You're making a broad generalization in order to cry "Liberal hypocrisy!" but once again you aren't backing it up with any real examples that anyone can respond to.
That was my point, then we agree.
Huh? Your point was to make a broad generalization in order to avoid debating real world examples? You lost me there.
Come on, it shouldn't be so difficult. Come up an example of Dixie Chick/Coulter hypocrisy and then it will be explained to you why "f*ggot" and "ashamed to be from the same state" are not the same thing.
You're arguing/playing with yourself by trying to argue/play a point I never brought up. My point was a broad one about the consequences of free speech and accepting responsbility. If you disagree, fine.
Either you have the memory of a goldfish or you're still unaware that we can go back and read post you wrote just moments ago:
"This is the same as the Dixie Chicks, where liberals everywhere whined that they were targeted and not given a fair shake - yet they are perfectly fine with Coulter living with the fallout."
Gross generalization? Check. Charge of liberal hypocrisy? Check.
Are you that clueless? What I am saying is "the same" is the consequnces of free speech, not what they said. Any idiot can see the point I am making, which surprises me why you can't.
Dodging, weaving and pretending you didn't write what we can all plainly see that you did write? Check.
"To say one was treated unfairly and the other is not is absurd."
Again, who said that? And just to cut to the chase here--because I don't expect you'll bother to back up your generalizations with real examples--you're wrong, the consequences of free speech are not the same for everyone, and the difference between "f*ggot" and "ashamed to be from the same state" does matter.
I've made my points and your inability to accept them, or even disagree with them intelligently instead of derailing into an irrelevancy, is typical Clams Casino arguementativeness. Follow me elsewhere if you must, obsess about me on another thread if you are so inclined......but your simple mindedness is only entertaining to a point, and then I begin to feel sorry for you.......we are there now.
He made his point crystal clear. There's a big difference between hate speech and just expressing your distaste for the president. There's also a big difference between individual papers pulling a divisive columnist and a giant corporation that controls a huge chunk of the radio stations in the country (thanks to ill advised deregulation) effectively preventing a popular group from reaching their audience.
Exactly. And I'd also add that the (temporary) dip in record sales and tour receipts was never the consequence that the Dixie Chicks or their fans "whined" about. What Maines and others spoke out about, and were shocked by, was the widespread viciousness that they experienced. It wasn't just disgruntled Bush supporters refusing to buy their new album. It was the death threats, public CD burnings and then a clear pattern of misinformation propigated by media figures ranging from Laura Ingraham to Dubya himself. The documentary "Shut Up & Sing" does a great job of showing the whole story.
I do think that Tommy knows that already, because he's been told all of this before and he's working way too hard to play dumb about it now.
Oddly enough, we don't know precisely why Coulter is being canceled. It might be due to conservatives who have argued they have had enough of her. It is unknown.
Tommy's analogy appears worthless, because it describes examples where conservatives may have been the ones successful in suppressing expression as he frames it.
Sorry, Tommy, all speach isn't equal. Also, all consequences are not just. Once again you're confusing law with ethics.
Perhaps you feel that CC's "busting records" was completely fair. Fortunately, in my opinion, the majority of the public seems to have arrived at a different conclusion.
And prejudice is completely free speech, it's not against the law to be ignorant and offensive.
TOMMY
You are correct - Hate Speech is Free Speech. That wasn't the point I was making. My point? Hate Speech AS Free Speech should have significant ramifications. No ones saying she should be jailed, just that responsible news outlets shouldn't give her air time.
Describing the Dixie Chicks comments as Hate Speech is - if you'll excuse me - ridiculous!
The wikipedia definition:
Hate speech is a controversial term for speech intended to degrade, intimidate, or incite violence or prejudicial action against a person or group of people based on his or her race, gender, age, ethnicity, national origin, religion, sexual orientation, gender identity, disability, language ability, moral or political views, socioeconomic class, occupation or appearance (such as height and weight).
Saying you're "ashamed the president of the United States is from Texas" - doesn't qualify by ANY stretch of the imagination.
Cajun,
You missed my point - people sensibilities are very different, some are offended by something, some are not. Hate speech is subjective, as I said. Offensive speech is subjective.......it all goes to consequences of free speech and accountability. I am not going to sit here and argue which is more offensive or hateful, that is not the point........both are protected free speech, are they not? In that context, both may have repercussions for the person who said it.
TOMMY
Peoples "sensiblilties" may be "very different", and what speech people find offensive may be "subjective". But the english language is not subjective. If it were you and I would be unable to converse with each other. We could make up our own definition for any word we choose.
My Point - Hate Speech is not subjective! It is a very specific type of speech. One may choose to use the term incorrectly of course, but then one's argument has no merit.
By the way - Thanks for responding.
Cajun,
We agree to disagree then, I respect your viewpoint and thank you for an intelligent discussion.
TOMMY
Coolio. Nice chatting with you. Have a great day!
you just don't get Tommy's point, consequences are only for 'liberals', accountability and consequences for cons makes the baby jebus cry! And makes promoters of censorship for others cry and moan about liberal 'hypocracy' and PCishness (they never do define that, gee i wonder why?)
You left out the part where words and phrases mean whatever he feels they mean at any particular moment.
And, CAJUN,
To many on this site, it's hatespeech if I don't like THE COLOR OF YOUR TIE!!!
Wow, Lemoc I may have misjudged you.
The capitals and exclamation points really scream " SANE!!!"
Big difference Tommy, the Coulter backlash is coming from the public, the Dixie Chicks were muzzled by Clear Channel, the country's largest radio network.
They were censored by the content provider before the public had a chance to voice their displeasure. Coulter is being dropped by papers who are responding to pressure from their readers.
No difference, the radio stations that stopped playing their songs did so after public reaction from their listeners.......the radio stations have the perfect right to play whatever they feel serves their audience. You don't argue with that do you? Just as Coulter's newspapers are responding to their readers if they drop her columns, their perfect right.
It is kind of hard to make the "Dixie Chicks aren't popular enough" or it was a "business decision" argument when their most recent (5 grammy award winning album/CD) debuted at number 1, sold 2,097,070 copies and yet didn't get much airplay at all on ClearChannel stations.
That doesn't pass the sniff test. It seems most reasonably described as likely retribution against the Dixie Chicks largely by big Bush backers at ClearChannel and elsewhere who disagreed with the DixieChicks' politics.
I think that you might have a point, because it appears it wasn't a business decision, but more of one of a revenge type action, because they said something bad about Bush. Because indeed, their record did sell a lot of copies, and they did debut at #1, and have had good success on their latest tour, but... Clear Channel is still a private company, and regardless of what WE think, they can play, and or not play any musical selections that they like. It might be "bad" for their business, or it may not have hurt them at all. Who knows really? But it pretty much was their decision to NOT play the DCs on their affiliated radio stations.
They probably should have known their core audience a little better, because their audience was, and or still is, pick up truck driving, Toby Keith wanna be, and George Bush loving group of people. Not that there is anything wrong with that, but they were biting the hand that was feeding them, but I do think that they picked up new fans with their statement about Bush, and probably shifted their fan base a little more than if they hadn't said what they said. So overall, it doesn't appear that the alleged controversy caused them any harm in the long run.
"Clear Channel is still a private company, and regardless of what WE think, they can play, and or not play any musical selections that they like"
But, we can make sure they know that WE won't be supporting them with our money.
But any company that is using public airwaves has much more power to control others' speech than do individual citizens expressing their views. Before all the consolidation of ownership of radio stations, this was less of a concern.
http://archive.salon.com/ent/feature/2001/04/30/clear_channel/
What doesn't pass the sniff test is your "conspiratorial" theory about Bush backers silencing anyone. Could it possibly be that the radio stations heard their listeners, who at that time were from very red states and big Bush fans, and wanted to get out of the way of the controversy? Yes, that's what it was......it had nothing to do with, unless you have some proof, Bush strongarming anyone into dropping them from the airwaves. That is ridiculous, it was a business decision.
Just as the newspapers that decide to drop Coulter - oh wait, maybe it's the gay bigwigs pressuring them into it? Ya think?
Could it possibly be that the radio stations heard their listeners, who at that time were from very red states and big Bush fans, and wanted to get out of the way of the controversy? Yes, that's what it was...
Pure conjecture. It's an especially dubious claim given their subsequent record sales.
Well put. What was I thinking?
Also, I just don't see throngs of glassy eyed zealots burning Coulter's books and issuing death threats to her. But then, what does one expect from adherents to a political philosophy that extolls the virtues of aggression, punishment and hierarchy.
Contrast that with the Progressive/Liberal principles of collaboration, rehabilitation and equality and there's the difference between the violent right and the progressive left. They believe in political intimidation, we believe in political participation.
Conservatives can't help themselves though, so I forgive them their regressive behavior. But I never forget their transgressions.
Lowry Mays --Chairman, ClearChannel Communications
$191,875* Republican$18,540 Democrat$121,970 special interesttotal: $332,385
Mark Mays --CEO
$53,200 Republican$1,000 Democrat$88,228 special interesttotal: $142,428Randall Mays --President and CFO
Of course, we can never know for sure what these guys are thinking, but do you think it is a wise "business decision" to not play the number 1 album on the Billboard and Country Charts? Especially now, knowing the songs went on to win 5 grammys and sold over 2,000,000 copies? The most reasonable explanation is simply retribution here -- although naturally, I am willing to equally accept stupidity and/or incompetence as the reason in deference to Hanlon's Razor. Your answer is just insufficient as it expects one to ignore too much common sense.
It looked fine in the preview. I checked it 3 times.
arrgggghhhh!!!!
Your conspiratorial theory falls completely apart when you say "knowing their songs went on to win 5 Grammys............". But of course, when they stopped playing their records years ago they absolutely knew about these Grammys in 2007. Makes perfect sense.
I implied hindsight when I wrote: "Especially now, knowing the songs went on to win 5 grammys and sold over 2,000,000 copies". But as usual, you blame me for your apparent lack of comprehension.
Actually, I wouldn't take the Grammy to be evidence either way. However, the record sales didn't happen overnight. Thus the Chicks were likely far more popular than your own theory for the radio stations' decisions would suggest.
You are absolutely right. Awards go pretty much to what the industry views as "quality work", but doesn't necissarily indicate popularity. Album sales would be the indicator of that and that is where tommy's argument is inconsistent.
Hello?? Their album sales? This is 2007, that was years before. They made a comeback, that is the point. They suffered because of their mouth, nothing more.
As I said before, the Dixie Chicks last album opened at Number 1 (in 2006). That means it opened at Number 1 when it was released for those with reading comprehension problems.
ClearChannel still refuses to give them any play to this day from what I know about their boycott. It would seem to bely your argument that all of this is a simple "business decision" and not the result of retribution from ClearChannel and their like.
Keep talking Tommy (blah blah blah)
During the run-up to the invasion of Iraq, several weeks after their Grammy success, the Dixie Chicks performed in concert in London on March 10, 2003, at the Shepherd's Bush Empire theatre in London. During this concert, the band gave a monologue to introduce their song Travelin' Soldier, during which Natalie Maines, a Texas native, was quoted by The Guardian as saying, "Just so you know, [...] we're ashamed the President of the United States is from Texas."[8] Though this is the official circulation of the comment, the full text of the statement Natalie Maines made was as follows:
Just so you know, we’re on the good side with y’all. We do not want this war, this violence, and we’re ashamed that the President of the United States is from Texas.[9]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dixie_Chicks
The Top of the World Tour was the Dixie Chicks' 2003 worldwide concert tour. It was in support of their album Home, and named after the closing song on that album. This tour grossed $60.5 million dollars, making it the highest grossing country music tour of all time (since superseded by several artists). It was also the 8th highest-grossing tour of any genre in 2003.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Top_of_the_World_Tour
Home is the sixth album by American country band Dixie Chicks, released in 2002 (see 2002 in music).
The album has the distinction of being the album the band was promoting when lead singer Natalie Maines made her now famous comments about U.S. President George W. Bush. The album's third single, "Travelin' Soldier", was #1 on the Billboard Country Chart the week that Maines' comments hit the press. The following week, as many stations started a still-standing boycott of the Chicks' music, the song collapsed. None of the following singles gained traction with country radio.
Despite these events, the album was very successful for the group, receiving 6x platinum status by the RIAA, having shifted 6 million units. [1] The album also featured "Landslide," the song was their their biggest crossover hit to date up until February 2007 when their Grammy Award winning song "Not Ready To Make Nice" made a re-entry on the Billboard Hot 100 at #4 after a 20-week absense. "Landslide" reached #7 on the Hot 100.
The album was also successful in Australia, where it's certified 2x platinum by ARIA.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Home_%28Dixie_Chicks_album%29
The facts don't support what your saying Tommy. If there was such a HUGE backlash against the DC and the risk was so great for Clear Channel then why was the DC tour and album during that time period such as huge success? A prudent company that was purely interested in $$$ and not politics would have waited to see what type of impact the "comment" was going to have prior to pulling them off the air.
Here is the top part...again.
Lowry Mays --Chairman, ClearChannel Communications
$191,875* Republican $18,540 Democrat $121,970 special interesttotal: $332,385
Mark Mays --CEO
$53,200 Republican $1,000 Democrat $88,228 special interesttotal: $142,428
Randall Mays --President and CFO
Preview is totally worthless.
So? Show me the newspapers that are dropping Coulter and their supporters. You could make the same ridiculous and unsubstantiated charge against them if their major donors were Democrats. Businesses make decisions based on the bottom line for their investors - if I was investing in a business that folded under pressure from some big donor and made a stupid business decision as a result, I'd be all over them. The same would have happened with Clear Channel, and you know it.
That is an interesting postulate. Get back to me on how it turns out. It is not my job to substantiate your postulates.
"The same would have happened with Clear Channel, and you know it." --tommy
Evidence?
Econ 101, and Smart Bus 101. If you can't see that, contact your local university.
Non-answer. Typical.
No argument. Typical.
The facts on what took place with the DC do not support your argument. Their album Home and the tour to support that album were still a huge success despite the "comment" and the backlash that took place in 2003.The Top of the World Tour was the Dixie Chicks' 2003 worldwide concert tour. It was in support of their album Home, and named after the closing song on that album. This tour grossed $60.5 million dollars, making it the highest grossing country music tour of all time (since superseded by several artists). It was also the 8th highest-grossing tour of any genre in 2003.Wouldn't a prudent company that was just driven by sales wait and see what type of impact the "comment" would have on total sales figures before jumping to conclusions?
"You could make the same ridiculous and unsubstantiated charge against them if their major donors were Democrats." --tommy
I never made that argument. The three top officers of ClearChannel Communications are indeed huge Republican donors. Let's keep this apples to apples if we can here.
Well, we know for certain that all media is controlled by the Homosexual agenda because savage says it is 20 times per hour. There fore it was bigwig homosexuals that pulled the column and will continue to destroy free speech in this country, and soon the world. This is proof my friends!!
Tommy, you have a point, but here's the difference. If Ann had said that she was embarassed to be from the same state as Edwards, we wouldn't even be having this conversation. It's a matter of proportion. You know it's true.
You and others want to compare the respective expressions of free speech, that is not the point as I have said. Everyone will give you a different answer to that, so what is the point? Find me a strong Bush/Coulter supporter and they will have a completely different opinion than you do, and that is perfectly fine and justified..........neither the Dixie Chicks, nor Coulter, broke any law. However, both are responsible for their speech, and have to live with any consequences of it.
That is true, in principle. However, I would argue that the Right has a much lower threshold for what is "offensive". (Janet Jackson's 2-pixel-wide-half-second boob shot comes to mind.)
The difference between this and The Dixie Chicks incident is that corporate powers were used to ban TDC from having their music played on various radio NETWORKS, not individual stations. When you've got a situation where a single company owns hundreds of stations, and they make a blanket call of that sort, it should trouble you. It's a big difference between calling an individual paper and telling them of your concerns. Even the Senate is bothered by this.
You also have to love the so-called 'free market', market pressure and the like/dislikes of the consuming public. If you think this is the result of 'liberals', you're mistaken. MMFA may have helped contribute to more awareness of Coulter's stupidity... But, as the "Colonel" says... these are two-bit papers read predominantly by white, old people. I really doubt they watch MMFA or listen to 'progressive' talk radio, etc (ie. liberals).
meh...call it nazi like if you want and i wont get mad but newspapers aren't in a position these days to be bold and risk upsetting their dwindling subscriber base. it isn't a shocker that they dropped her, i would've if it meant keeping my job for a little longer.
Again, your wrong. Newspapers are still big profit machines. Please try to back up your nonsense. You won't be able to, and that'll maybe keep you from posting your drivel.
http://www.google.com/search?sourceid=navclient-ff&ie=UTF-8&rlz=1B2GGGL_enUS177&q=newspaper+decline
take your pick, you are wrong again.
How about something on point?
As businesses, newspapers are strong, highly profitable and resilient. In good times and mediocre, the industry now boasts operating margins in the low-to-mid-20% range, a bit less than Microsoft and Dell but higher even than pharmaceuticals.1 Over the last quarter century, the business has weathered the phenomenal rise of WalMart (only rarely a newspaper advertiser) and the decline of traditional department stores (once the reliable source for page upon page of display advertising). Newspapers went with the flow as retailer preference shifted to preprint inserts, and they developed new categories like travel and telecommunications. What happened in 2004?
From one perspective 2004 was a solid year: ad revenues were up about 4% over all, profits up a little more thanks to tight cost controls, and margins matching the previous two years, though still well off the peak of 1999 and 2000.
How is Ann's "free speech" inhibited? I don't understand, but then I don't have a newspaper column. Is my "free speech" therefore necessarily equally inhibited?
you didnt know you had a right to a weekly newspaper column? WHEREVE YOU BEEN!? its govt subsidized - www.myinflammatorycolumn.gov
just like you have a right to welfare, food stamps, and to live off of taxes from the rich:)
Newspapers have a right to keep columnists off their paper as they see fit. Just as Fox News has the right to keep almost all liberals off Fox News.
yes but not if dennis kucinich has his way
I see the unable to understand the concept conservatives are here again. There is NO free speech RIGHT to be given a forum to spout your viewpoint. The syndicated papers are not EMPLOYING her they are buying her product. They can always at anytime decide her actions are such they dont want to have their names associated with her and STOP buying her product. YOU HAVE NO POINT.
Little baby Thomas Jefferson cries every time you misuse the term "freedom of speech." :(
How is this inhibiting free speech again? Do we have to go back and review what free speech really is again? Because I thought we had covered that entire topic ad nauseum in the last week or more. Nobody has made a law abridging what Coulter can and or cannot say, and nobody is telling her to stop what she's saying or else she'll be prosecuted, but speaking out against her blatant hate speech is again calling her to the carpet for what she said. Making one accountable for what they say is not taking away her free speech rights. She is more than free to yell it from the rooftops, but companies are not required to pay her to speak it in their newspapers, their TV stations, or in her books. If she gets cancelled in different locations, that's a business decision, and has nothing, whatsoever, to do with free speech. If you think it does, methinks you should go back, and re-read the Constitution if the United States of America.
AA, I've asked Kernel Videogame virgin this as well; What makes you type "hahahahahahaha" . Is it the moving your lips as you read thing in reverse?
It is interesting that Coulter says that she believes that it is perfectly OK to call someone that everyone knows is not gay the f-word.
Thank you Ann for clearing all of this up.
Therefore, legitimate commentators are free to call Sean Hannity the word that rhymes with "punt" and starts with a "c" and there is nothing wrong with it because everyone can see that he is a man.
I actually used to have fun watching Ann Coulter, until she became so predictable that I realized that only inbred yokels will find her opinions thoughtful and well researched. I can actually picture her with a a buzzcut using the name Andy, and that ain't helpin' either!
Same reason you have to turn off billo for a few weeks, you can look at the stories before he reports it and predict what side he'll take. for example:
abu ghraib - i predicted he would try to localize it among a few low ranking soldiers and try to sell it as an isolated incident, then try and shift the story to how the media reports on it. i was right.
i enjoy the show and i encourage everyone here who loves their mmfa clips to actually WATCH the show, just take a break in between so you can feel like his spin tactics are fresh again:)
...And, by your own admission... the reason why the likes of Coulter is slowly falling by the wayside. You're tired of it.
well even my brother, an ultra conservative, is sick of fox news because they insult his intelligence by thinking they can turn him off from Obama with sophomoric attempts at smears like the 'madrassa' story or saying he is a chain smoker, or mentioning his middle name. they're really getting desperate over there according to him and i agree.
back to coulter, it's the same thing. she SQUEEZED another 15minutes out of the inflammatory toothpaste tube but she had to really sink low to get it by simply being inflammatory with no substance at all. it's fun for about .5 seconds.
Good Lord I agree with the colonel, my chest hurts! Seriously I always wondered if Fox viewers felt insulted by Fox's over the top attempts to get them to buy into whatever agenda Fox is advancing. It's one thing to honestly explore Obama's political philosopy and how I'm sure it differs from your ultra conservative brother's, and quite another to focus on the issues they've chosen to focus on with Obama, Clinton, and every other Democrat besides Joe Lieberman of course.
I don't recommend watching Bill O'Reilly or any other pundit. It is a complete waste of time. They often contain more misinformation/spin/mindreading/strawmen than anything useful like the use of real facts to backup arguments.
that *IS VERY* true, but i am able to sift through it and i am sure you are too. david letterman was close, i think about 51% of what bill says is crap. anytime he whines about soros, left wing media, military haters, or tries to protect the bush admin, i just chalk it up to garbagio.
Just to update, one hour ago the Shreveport Times (which is listed here as still being one of Coulter's clients) announced that it would no longer carry Ann Coulter's column.
http://www.shreveporttimes.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070308/BREAKINGNEWS/70308014
haha good find
Bottom line is that Ann Coulter's better days are most likely behind her. The political winds are shifting and except for a last hold-out population of right wing slugs people of both parties are tired of the political nastiness. Coulter's probably made a bundle of cash but I womder if she's proud of what she's done with her life... or, better, I wonder if her mother is proud of her.
how often do these political winds shift in your mind? do you feel a breeze?
The winds shifted in 1994. I also felt a nice breeze coming the other way in 2006... and it's gotten stronger as far as I can tell.
i was trying to make fun of you:(, poor attempt on my part i suppose.
"i was trying to make fun of you"
Thank you... how nice of you.
If you haven't noticed a change in people's attitudes you aren't paying attention. People hate the war and are tired of the divisiveness in the country. You can read the polls yourself to see how little respect there is for Bush's competence. And the Republicans were voted out of control of Congress just a few months ago. Yea, I'd say the political winds are shifting...
Anything else on your mind...?
Irony, I think that nice girl from Kansas landed a house on her mother.
Her Mom seems like such a sweet woman although I've heard that her Dad is a right wing firecracker.
I've never seen Coulter's mother... But what I meant was, how would you feel if one of your daughters was reviled by millions of people as a vulgar, heartless aberration of humanity? Regardless how much money she's made...
I'm pretty sure that Ann ate her mother right after she was born.
I am appalled that no newspapers in Oregon are on this list. Does Ann hate Oregonians? Why, I oughta . . .
Oh, wait. That just means that Oregonians are smart enough not to want to read Coulter's dribble. Never mind.
Don't cry for Ann...she's made plenty of money with her inane bigotry and nonsense. I'm sure she'll still get her payments from Karl Rove's slush fund. I would imagine that several of the professional liars are receiving covert money from our tax dollars. You don' think they became billionaires on their talent, do you?
I see Coulter being forced more and more to the really extreme right wing talk circuit where her audiences will expect more raw meat. So i suspect she might even ratchet up the rhetoric., but for an increasingly smaller audience. Until eventually she'll pretty much universally be regarded as a cruel, shrill, nut job lacking in any charcteristics that humanity generally regards as admirable. She will dig her own grave...
She's not through yet, though... I suspect we'll spend (waste?) a lot more time here expressing our outraage over her next remarks. The other night she even said that the Republican candidates who denounced her most recent episode were "not smart" for doing so and they'd better get used to it because over the next year (I guess she meant during the primaries.) she will have even more to say. Stay tuned...
accdg to mmfa's list, she is down to 44 from her 100 when godless came out. 43 if you count the above posters find.
I am surprised know one has made the connection between Coulter's slur on Edwards and those made by Laura Ingram on her radio show during the debates between Edwards and Dick Cheney. Ingram constantly referred to Edwards as "Bambie" and Cheney as "a real, man's-man.” Obviously, this time around, Coulter figured she better make the insult even more offensive to get her media attention and laugh. Her excuse that 'fa***t' is just a playground taunt, shows she sees national political discourse as no more moral that what happens on the playground -- and the playground is not a moral place as anyone who wasn't one of the 'chosen' knows.
Work,
She miscalculated and I think she thought that the slur she used was still acceptable to the vast majority of Republicans. She's used it before but I don't think it was widely aired. She was on Hardball and she was taling about how Clinton had homosexual tendencies, she then said she was kidding about Clinton but she said Al Gore was a "total F*ag". That wasn't that long ago that she said that.
It was in Herald Square on Matthews' show during the Republican Convention in 2004.
OK - did anyone read her new column today? Evidently Rush Limbaugh only neede his drugs for "Back pain" - no crime there.
Wow - this woman has lost it.
I think that was true - originally. The Oxy was for his back pain. Then he decided he liked being high, and started buying it illegally and abusing it.
And having other people get it for him illegally as well.
Oxy is a highly addictive drug from what I hear. Of course, in Rush's world, he should have been killed off like other drug users that he railed against in the past. Funny we don't hear him talk much about the ACLU in a bad light since they defended him.
"Oxy is a highly addictive drug..."
Yup... and I think methadone is used in the treatment of Oxy addiction. In my line of work I have dealt with a number of people addicted to pain medication, such as Vicodin and Oxy... I have never known a former Oxy addict. Apparently it is tough to kick.
I know that he started it for back pain - but he stayed on it buying illegally and having his housekeeper do the dirty work. The truth is there was crime committed, but again the ACLU backed him up. Hmmm, that dangerous ACLU has now helped Limbaugh and once helped Hannity get a radio job back. Amazing the evil they do. Maybe the Consevatives are right about the ACLU - they are dangerous - LOL (that was a joke btw).
I think it was on the isuue of "privacy rights" that the ACLU backed up Limbaugh. I don't remember all the details but, as I recall, it was about the release of all of Limbaugh's medical records which I think were subpoenaed during the investigation. Limbaugh opposed turning over his medical records, and the ACLU argued that the scope of the subpoena constituted an unlawful invasion of privacy. I don't think there was any legal determination made on the privacy issue because Limbaugh plea bargained a deal on the drug matters with the prosecutors in the interim. It might have included a diversionary program instead of formal charges against him. However, I'm sure it must have included some sort of probationary period during which Limbaugh had to remain clean or face formal criminal charges.
Coulter had the nerve to say it is now illegal to be Republican and used Rush's getting off scot-free as an example of that. Huh? How is that, Ann?
Not to defend Rush, but physicians dispense this stuff too freely. I was given oxycontin after a surgery. I took it one time and I hated the way it made me feel. I have a supersensitive reaction to drugs and I didn't like the feeling. Actually an extra tablet of over the counter Tylenol killed my post surgical pain. The Oxycontin stayed in the medicine cabinet until i tossed it outa couple yeras later.
Interesting that the left is so rabid about shuting down opposing points of view. Party that tolerates? Hardly.
So I guess you need to add phaggot (MM has cenesored this word) to George Calrin's list of words you cant say.
That's a tired and false argument. There isn o room for hate speech in the Democratic Party. The GOP will take anybody, esp. if they use hate speech. Ann is free to use whatever language she likes and we are free to respond to it. That is the essense of free speech. Liberals want civility. we think that others should be treated with a certain respect and speak accordingly. That's not censorship it's simply being polite.
No one is shutting down anyones point of view. What is interesting is how little some rightwingers understand the concept of free speech. Coulter has NO free speech RIGHT to demand papers buy her product. She can rant and rave at the park, bore all her friends to death with her jr high diatribes. No one is telling her she will be arrested over what she says but she has no right to demand papers buy and publish her column the very claim is ludicrous.
It's what many of us have been saying all along. Coulter's made millions being provocative for the right wing... it's the sick cash cow she's worried about now. She can SAY just about anything she wants but she might not be paid as much for that in the future.
Na na, nana na na, hey hey Goodbye! The leftologists dance with glee in the streets!
So the question is this:DID ANYONE WRITE TO THE NEWSPAPERS THAT ARE IN THEIR AREA THAT CARRY COULTERGEIST?
I wrote the Antelope Valley Paper because that is where I live part time.
So did anyone?
On another note.
nANN HAS PARENTS!?!?!? SERIOUSLY!?!?!?
I always figured she was shiite out on a fence post and it grew from there.
Let her keep talking. Apparently they haven't figured out what happened in November 2006. People are sick of this potty mouth stuff and don't want to to be associated with them.
For those of you who would like to include another disgusting Ann Coulter in your email to the editors, you might want to use this one.
(here is the full link so you can see it) It is WMA format and it runs 1:02 seconds. At 45 second Ann says
Ann Coulter "On the bright side we hit a couple of UN peacekeepers."
Melanie Morgan and Officer Vic laugh
Officer Vic "Look at those blue helmets go flyin'"
Coulter "Somebody has to tell Israel about the installation on 42nd street." Laughter
http://www.spockosbrain.com/MelanieMorganAnnCoulterOfficerVicjokingaboutdeadUNpeacekeepers07272006H08M06.wma
Does one say "Thanks" for the gift of such ugliness?
I'll thank you for your work, though, Spocko. Keep at it. KSFO is disgusting.
Every time Ann Coulter opens her mouth it is a Macaca Moment.
THANK YOU.
njguy93@yahoo.com
You guys wanna hear something quaint, and naive? I just e-mailed the Texas papers on this list that carry "The Pale Scarecrow From Hell" and told them to drop Coultergeist.
It feels great.
Here's my letter to the editor of the Denton-Register Chronicle-feel free to copy and send to your local newspapers...
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Editor Trimble,Although I subscribe to the Dallas Morning News, I live in Corinth and am a regular reader of the Denton-Record Chronicle. (The hospital where I receive cancer treatment routinely has several copies in the waiting room.) While I can accept that being of the "progressive-liberal" persuasion is the minority position in Texas, and that editorial pages will frequently print opinions I disagree with, I believe that public discourse that I disagree with is healthier than never hearing the flip-side to my opinions. That said, it is incumbent upon journalists and editors to contribute to the public discourse in a way that raises important issues and furthers the healthy debate that helps drive thoughtful, meaningful change in our society. Yet many newspapers, yours included, have rewarded Ann Coulter with space on the editorial page and financial enrichment. I find it appaling that a woman who has repeatedly used racial slurs and homophobic epithets, "wrote" a book last year that contained several instances of plagiarism, and referred to 9/11 widows as "harpies" whose "husbands were probably going to leave them anyway" is on the same page as so many distinguished and respected thought leaders. In her gutless efforts to remain relevant and sell more books, she has become a pathetic laughing stock who hurls shocking insults and expels the word "libruhls" from her lips as though she has swallowed a cockroach. She has not raised the level of discourse in this country. I cannot remember the last time she even made a coherent sentence that wasn't sprinkled with something hateful and insulting towards half of America. She has become a parody of herself, and her brand of "shock jock entertainment" makes Howard Stern seem harmless. Yet she is allowed, heck even paid, to contribute to editorial pages in the Bible belt that is North Texas?Denton County residents and subscribers to your newspaper should not be helping Ann Coulter make a living for encouraging hate, and in some cases, violence, against minorities, gays, democrats, newspaper editors, and members of our judiciary. I implore the Denton-Record Chronicle to join the growing list of newspapers who have dropped her column from their editorial pages. Respectfully,This is the list I was looking for when I posted on the original Coulter-Edwards story. We all could have spent the last six days causing havoc in these newsrooms. Cheers to "R.S."
I just finished sending off an email to every paper that read:
I am horrified that your paper believes the vile things that Ann Coulter says are worthy of your print. I wonder, does your publication support her viewpoints? Are her viewpoints something you would want your children reading? I would fully support your decision to cancel her column.Thank you,Rick _____Lets see if we can cost her a few more dollars. That is the only thing these vile people understand.I never really cared for Ann Coulter. I found what she said to be tasteless and not smart. She has a track record of writing and saying immature remarks to stir controversy and irritate liberals. I think she enjoys feuding with liberals and loves the attention. This may even help her build a reputation that gains more attention and promotion. While I think she may not be balanced, I find it funny that Media Matters would post the sites and e-mail addresses to get people to censor her column and try to diminish her. I find it funny that liberals want free speech and are doing this because they dub her as promoting “hate speech”. Is Media Matters misogynists? Is Media Matters against a woman speaking her mind because they disagree with her? Do Liberals read everything she writes and says? If you do not like it, then ignore it. This makes me wonder if Liberals are providing ratings and money to hear and read conservatives. If so, then they are masochistic. I wish Media Matters was more aggressive towards Rush Limbaugh, than a stir crazy woman. Perhaps there are people at Media Matters and posters that find Ann Coulter sexy and attractive and are upset they cannot have her so they love to hate her. I certainly do not see conservatives try to censor liberals like Al Franken. I will admit her profanity towards Edwards was unnecessary and she is a tasteless satirists. I do find that word a profanity like vulgar cussing like the four letter F word. I also find other forbidden words that should not be in my vocabulary such as gay, lesbian, etc. I certainly do not want my children knowing these words until they are in their late teens. I hope this drive does not work to get Ann Coulter’s columns canceled. I would rather the conservative base eliminate her popularity and power status by her continuing to say the wrong things. I would rather her be victim from the conservative base she supports than a victim of the pink fascists that suppress and punish people who say what is on their mind like Michael Savage and Isaiah Washington so they can brainwash the masses.
First, figure out where the ENTER key is on your computer keyboard, and try breaking your long post into a few manageable paragraphs. Sheesh.
Second, I got far enough to see the usual "Liberals are censoring her" bullhockey. Please, learn what the First Amendment actually grants you in the way of rights. No where in there does it say Ms. Coulter is granted the RIGHT to have a column in any newspaper she chooses. The paper has a right to determine what they print.
And we, the consumers, have the right to vote with our dollars and eyeballs as to what papers we'll read. Some of us will go the next step and write to a paper and state our discomfort with a particular point of view, such as Coulters. And if the paper agrees, they might decide that readers are more important that a given columnist.
Now, I may have this wrong, and perhaps you were forced BY LAW to purchase every Dixie Chicks CD ever produced. If so, I'll recant.
Glen Greenwald notes that several right wing bloggers are calling for her ouster from CPAC, and there are signs elsewhere among conservatives that Coulter has gone too far too often in her insulting, ad hominem way.
Coulter won't lose much income if small newspapers remove her column, but she will lose it if she's no longer on the A-list of speakers at "Conservative" events, and if she no longer has enough support among "Conservative" organizations to keep her godawful books bogusly atop the best seller lists by buying truckloads of the offal things to give away to their membership.
I think Coulter is at a crossroads in her career. She can continue writing and speaking awful things to diminishing crowds and audiences, or she can use her vaunted intellect and writing talents to argue rationally for . . .oh, who am I kidding? The woman has no soul, she's a heartless, soulless, gutless female dog of a woman who attracts only those men/women who are aroused by the scent of cruelty and the cold, malevolent eye of a hungry she-wolf.
... several right wing bloggers are calling for her ouster from CPAC
WHAT? Haven't they heard that that is an attack on Coulter's Free Speech rights? And probably on her right to assembly! They HAVE to allow her to continue speaking and hanging out with them! It's in the Constitution! I read it here!
Stopping her flow of income is secondary. It's her
ego that comes to the fore. She needs the attention to
satisfy her image, otherwise what is there???
Actually, Coulter's column appears each Friday in the Op-Ed pages of the State Journal-Register, Springfield Illinois, right below Ted Rall's column. The editorial staff of the State Journal-Register will publish her column on the assumption that if people yell about Coulter (or Rall), then it means that they are either buying the paper at the newsstands or they are subscribing to the paper, and they are reading the paper. They see Coulter as more of a lure to entice people to buy the paper.
Back in the 1990's, I recognized Coulter as a smug, right-wing idiot who lacked the ability to base her opinions on solid fact. In her column, she had been complaining that oil spills from off-shore oil wells were not an environmental hazard and then she cited the oil spills that were often blacken East Coast beaches in the early 1940's as an example of oil spills that were not an environmental hazard. Unfortunately, she did not know that the first American off-shore oil wells were built along the Gulf Coast during the 1950's. She also did not know that those East Coast oil spills came from coastal merchant vessels that had been torpedoed by the German U-boats from 1942 to 1944. I told the State Journal-Register this and ever after I have regarded Coulter as a fool.
Well her column should be canceled for deliberately providing wrong information if that is the case. I wonder if she is being a Swift. As for her comments on Edwards, the ironic thing is I just read a column somewhere on the internet Edwards to run an edgier campaign. This makes Coulter look like she was right about Edwards being weak and appearing ‘wimpy’ as a presidential candidate if he did have change his strategy because of her comments and the current polls.
Hmmm, I tried to count and came up with 39 podunk papers...I think there are some Los Angeles City taggers with a bigger readership.
A lot of interesting thoughts in this very long discussion and I guess I could give Coulter credit for initiating tons of discussion. On the other hand Coulter is a disgrace to anybody who values ethics and integrity in the political process. A kind of conundrum.
In terms of free speech, she has the right to say anything she pleases that does not cause danger to other people. (Fire in the theater example) But what about free speech that causes danger to oneself. There’s a biker bar near here, what if one of Ann’s manly men walk into the bar and starts yelling at the top of his lungs, while laughing like an idiot, “You’re all a bunch phaggots!!!” Ann might need to scrape her manly friend off the sidewalk after that episode.
What free speech is NOT is the granting to anyone the right to get published or be on television.
And finally hate speech can be a slippery slope – it can suffer like pornography from the no clear definition except for the “you know it when you see it” one. For some people naked statues in a museum are pornography, and some people see Howard Sterns very blue, very adult, and sometimes very gross radio show as extremely funny and entertaining while other people see perverse sexuality in the tele-tubbies!
So I know it when I see it and I see Ann’s phaggot comment clearly as hate speech. However I also see it as free speech. Another conundrum.Thank you for posting this list of papers that carry Coulter's column. I just sent an email to every one of them requesting they discontinue printing her column in their paper. I encourage everyone who is sick of Ann's smugness to do the same. Time for this bitch to GO.
The Liberal Democrats continue on their warpath to silence Free Speach in America. When Liberal Democrats dissagree with you, they attempt to silence you. They do this every day with Dr. Michael Savage, and now with Ms. Ann Coulter who happens to be a Weapon Of Mass Instruction. Where were these phony hypocritical Democrats when one of their very own expressed he was sorry Cheney did not die in a recent terrorist attack in an Afghanistan base. A few years ago, another Hollyweirdo said " We should go out and stone Henry Hyde and his family"! The hillarious part is they really believe they are "progressives." The truth is much sadder, as they have unleashed a Holocaust with their pro Abortion laws that have cost over 40 Million lives. Yet here they worry about one harmless word. They are soft against Terrorism, yet strong against the Unborn. Libs have now adopted a New Age Religion they call Environmentalism, to silence the guilt they feel over Abortion caused deaths. Again if you dissagree with their newly found "religion" they will come after you!
It is evident that moronic rightwingnuts like you have NO IDEA what free speech is. If Ann Coulter has a free speech right to demand papers buy her columns then so do I and I hereby DEMAND that they do so. Except the whole idea is just plain stupid. No one is threatening Ann's free speech rights. You are just too dumb to know what those rights are. The same with the Insane Weinerdog. Free speech protects MY right to criticise his insane rantings as they do his insane rantings. Who was it that told you that moronic conservatives have a RIGHT to NOT be criticised? That their right is to rant without anyone commenting on what they say? This is actually very simple. Try to keep up. It is also apparant that your brainpan is only up to the task of regurgitating the rightwing talking points you pick up from whomever you had do your thinking for you this week or you would understand, scratch that its far above the operating level of your substandard brain, perhaps recognize that liberals arent soft on terrorism just sick of idiots like you equating effective attacks on terrorism with the GOP policy of lets get as many Americans killed as humanly possible for Halliburton, Bechtal and Exxons profit margin.
Good for her. I don't mind saying I was right!
Last July when she hurled those same ugly comments about Al Gore I predicted she was on the way out and she is.
AnnabelleDickson
http://annabelledickson.blogspot.com
Gosh, we're gonna miss ol' Adam's Apple Annie, ain't we??? Tell her to forward her work to Screw Magazine...they may have a spot in the back of the paper by the toys.