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Ailes: "Obama is on the move. I don't know if ... Bush called Musharraf and said: 'Why can't we catch this guy?' "

March 09, 2007 8:14 pm ET

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On March 8, Fox News chairman and CEO Roger Ailes joked: "[I]t is true that [Sen.] Barack Obama [D-IL] is on the move. I don't know if it's true that President Bush called [Pakistani President Pervez] Musharraf and said: 'Why can't we catch this guy?' " Ailes made his comment while accepting the Radio-Television News Directors Association and Foundation's First Amendment Leadership Award.

As Media Matters for America has noted, on January 19, several Fox News hosts touted a since-discredited InsightMag.com report that "researchers connected to" Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton (D-NY) disclosed that Obama "spent at least four years in a so-called Madrassa, or Muslim seminary, in Indonesia" and that "the specific Madrassa Mr. Obama attended" might have taught "a Wahhabi doctrine that denies the rights of non-Muslims." For example, The Big Story's John Gibson said that Clinton had "reportedly outed Obama's madrassa past" despite later acknowledging that it "[d]oesn't seem" that "Hillary's fingerprints [are] on the story." Several news outlets have debunked the allegations that Obama attended a madrassa, and ABC News reported that the charge that Clinton's campaign was behind the smear "remains unproven and unsubstantiated."

ABC News also reported that, after the madrassa story had been debunked, Bill Shine, Fox News senior vice president of programming, issued a statement saying that the hosts of Fox News' Fox & Friends "gave too much credence to the Insight magazine report and spent far too long discussing its premise on the air." Shine noted that Fox & Friends subsequently issued a "clarifi[cation]." Shine's statement did not address Gibson's allegations of Clinton's involvement.

Media Matters for America has documented other media figures who have likened Obama's name to that of Osama bin Laden.

Ailes' comments were noted by Mediabistro's TVNewser weblog, as well as by MyDD, and The Huffington Post.

In a March 9 article noting Ailes' Obama joke, The Politico reported: "The Nevada State Democratic Party is pulling out of a controversial presidential debate scheduled for Aug. 14 in Reno and co-hosted by Fox News, according to Democratic insiders."

From Ailes' March 8 speech, as broadcast on C-SPAN's Tonight from Washington:

AILES: It is true that I said Britney Spears looked great at the Academy Awards -- and I later found out it was Jack Nicholson.

It is true that, just in the last two weeks, Hillary Clinton has had over 200 phone calls telling her, in order to win the presidency, she must stay on the road for the next two years. It is not true they were all from Bill.

And it is true that Barack Obama is on the move. I don't know if it's true that President Bush called Musharraf and said: "Why can't we catch this guy?"

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    • Author by mefirst (March 09, 2007 8:29 pm ET)
         

      apparently the nevada democratic party has backed out of the fox sponsored presidential debate, over ailes' remarks. good. i'm not for a blanket boycott of fox, but when it comes to something they sponsor.....

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      • Author by Limit Corp. Ownership (March 09, 2007 11:00 pm ET)
           

        I just checked the MoveOn website and I didn't see anything about the Nevada Democratic Party backing out of the Fox scam.

        I hope it's true.

        I love Nevada.  I don't want to see them used by this filthy, corporate media machine.  Come on home, Nevada!!

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    • Author by FabTemp (March 09, 2007 8:41 pm ET)
         

      Duh. It's Roger Ailes, the Feudalism embracing incarnation of Joseph Goebbels, without the genocide endorsements.

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    • Author by conleytgwinn (March 09, 2007 8:56 pm ET)
         

      MORA! Good for what Ailes us! (Link opens in a new window, so you don't have leave the tread to get the information to write Rep. Hinchley, or your own congressman, to support MORA.)

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    • Author by Limit Corp. Ownership (March 09, 2007 9:01 pm ET)
         

      Taking back America...

      One dirty, stinking, filthy conservative at a time.

       

       

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      • Author by evillib1727 (March 09, 2007 10:13 pm ET)
           

        1 filthy liberal at a time you say?

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        • Author by Limit Corp. Ownership (March 09, 2007 11:01 pm ET)
             

          Jesus, these Cons can't even read.

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          • Author by HuntingtonBeachLefty (March 10, 2007 4:11 am ET)
               

            Debunked, don't you get it? It cleverly replaced the word "conservative" with "liberal". effectively turning the tables. Bra-vo.

            The level of original thought that's been running our once-great nation for several years now.

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    • Author by bigwhi_9132 (March 09, 2007 9:14 pm ET)
         

      This is a reach MM . He is clearly insulting Bush.The Dem's may have not back out yet.

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      • Author by conleytgwinn (March 09, 2007 9:33 pm ET)
           

        Disagree! Ailes' string of jokes were ALL at the expense of liberals, Democrats, the French - anyone who might  disagree with his Bungle-boy; and culminated with his attempt to equate Osama and Obama, which far too many of his nutso audience ate right up. Defend only the defensible!

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    • Author by soros (March 09, 2007 9:33 pm ET)
         

      The old man comes off as snide and petty.  I expected a little more maturity in his public speaking than this, I do pity the man his dying days, it's sad to see this happen.

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    • Author by truthseeker77 (March 09, 2007 9:44 pm ET)
         

      The debate is dead, the Dailykos reports.

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    • Author by sportsguydave (March 09, 2007 9:50 pm ET)
         

      Hey what's the big deal?

      Just a botched joke.

      Nice job, Roger, you shriveled up old coot.

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    • Author by IRONY 101 (March 09, 2007 10:08 pm ET)
         

      "I don't know if it's true that President Bush called [Pakistani President Pervez] Musharraf and said: 'Why can't we catch this guy?'"

      This actually does sound as stupid as something Bush would say.

      Anyway, Musharraf would ignore Bush anyway, like he always does... except, of course, when it's timw to pick up the U.S. support check.

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    • Author by tbone (March 09, 2007 10:09 pm ET)
         

      Almost as funny as Bush's search for the WMD at the correspondent's dinner.  I'm beginning to believe that neocon ideas must displace or regions of the brain that process humor.

      Crass and pathetic.  Reels the mind.

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    • Author by Kaleun (March 09, 2007 10:48 pm ET)
         

      They're equating Obama with whom??? The right's comparison of the left to all those bad guys, ranging from Hitler to bin Laden, is to me final proof that I am right and they are wrong! Who's with me?

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      • Author by pete592 (March 09, 2007 11:01 pm ET)
           

        I am most definitely with you.

        I grow weary of the radical right's foolishness.  Try as they may, they cannot parallel the liberal left with the likes of murderous tyrants like Hitler and bin Laden.  it's nothing more than empty, baseless rhetoric.

        Perhaps I've had one too many cerveza margaritas to comment choherently.  Disregard.

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    • Author by pete592 (March 09, 2007 10:50 pm ET)
         

      "Fox News chairman and CEO Roger Ailes joked..."

       Fox News chairman and CEO Roger Ailes IS a joke.

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    • Author by temphandle diners23win (March 09, 2007 11:37 pm ET)
         

      I dislike Ailes intensely, and am aware of the many snarky attempts to equate Obama and Osama in peoples' minds - but I think this one is unfair - I think Ailes is joking that Bush would not know the difference, not that there is in fact any connection between bin Laden and Obama.

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      • Author by conleytgwinn (March 09, 2007 11:52 pm ET)
           

        Disagree with your defense of Ailes, as I disagreed above with another:

        Ailes' jokes were all against those who disagree with Bungle - the liberals, the Dems, even the French; how did this maggot suddenly switch sides, to attack Bungle? He didn't - another chorus of Fox/Ailes' earlier conflation of Obama with Osama, another attack on Obama.

         

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      • Author by Limit Corp. Ownership (March 10, 2007 12:13 am ET)
           

        Temp,

        I think you're wrong on this one.

        Ailes knows exactly what he's doing.  And he knows he's got an "out" too.

        This man is pure, uncirculated, filth. 

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    • Author by DorisRussell (March 09, 2007 11:57 pm ET)
         

      Roger Ailes- Disgusting person

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    • Author by mjh (March 10, 2007 12:14 am ET)
         

      Poor Roger . . . doesn't realize that Bush has enough trouble catching the REAL Osama . . .

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      • Author by HuntingtonBeachLefty (March 10, 2007 4:17 am ET)
           

        I don't think Bush could pick OBL out of a six man line-up if the other five were blond scandinavian teenage girls.

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        • Author by princeofwheels (March 10, 2007 9:51 am ET)
             

          Bush couldn't find Shaq at a midgets picnic.

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          • Author by Taz (March 10, 2007 5:08 pm ET)
               

            Midget is now considered a slur, in this day and age it's a pejorative term, they prefer Little People

            Can't you liberals keep up?

            It's like calling a gay a queer or homo

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            • Author by chimpevil (March 10, 2007 8:59 pm ET)
                 

              Cretin!  (Oh, sorry, do you prefer to be called Little-Brained Person?)

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              • Author by Taz (March 11, 2007 4:01 pm ET)
                   

                The oh so typical liberal response. When you can't make or win a point, or heaven forbid someone corrects you, a liberal will always revert to name calling. Good job chimp.

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                • Author by temphandle devastating69adjoin (March 11, 2007 4:33 pm ET)
                     

                  Intresting comments coming from the "Taz the drive by poster"... 

                  Do you offer anything that resembles discourse on this site?  

                   

                   

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                  • Author by Taz (March 11, 2007 4:41 pm ET)
                       

                    Do you?

                     

                     

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                    • Author by temphandle devastating69adjoin (March 11, 2007 8:52 pm ET)
                         

                      Thanks for your confirmation - I'll take that as a no

                       

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                      • Author by Taz (March 11, 2007 10:52 pm ET)
                           

                        Mr or Ms with the extremely long handle, I'll take your refusal to deny my query as a confirmation on your part that you offer nothing that resembles discourse on this site.

                        Of course one need only to read your other posts to come to the same conclusion.

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                        • Author by Easy to refute wingnuts (March 12, 2007 8:50 am ET)
                             

                          "I'll take your refusal to deny my query as a confirmation on your part that you offer nothing that resembles discourse on this site."

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                          The fact that you do not know that one cannot "deny a query" stands as evidence of your tiny mind. 

                           

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            • Author by iflurry8094 (March 12, 2007 7:57 pm ET)
                 

              Actually Taz, the term "queer" is being reclaimed as an umbrella term for people in the LBGT community.

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      • Author by DorisRussell (March 10, 2007 8:33 am ET)
           

        Osama has been able to run around freely for 5 plus years while Bush and the war criminal administration destroy Iraq and prevent the 911 victims from having justice. 

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    • Author by Limit Corp. Ownership (March 10, 2007 12:15 am ET)
         

      Why are so many Cons Fat?

      Is it because they're feeding off ordinary folks? 

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    • Author by bones2earth (March 10, 2007 2:58 am ET)
         

      A good fart cushion is much funnier.

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    • Author by princeofwheels (March 10, 2007 9:58 am ET)
         

      The fear in these bums is overflowing. First, they wanted Sen.Clinton to run...then the want her out by pushing Sen. Obama then they attack Edwards.

      Why are the Repubs so involved in the Democratic Party's affairs? Do they think that Democrats look to their sage advice to determine who will be the nominee?  Has anybody told AILES that he died three years ago?

      I am now a believer that the Repubs understand that HOPE IS LOST for the upcoming elections unless bloodshed takes front and center. God forbid that anything like that occurs, whether it be IRAN or here. But we all know who benefits the most from bloodshed..it got Bush reelected.

       

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    • Author by jjamele2880 (March 10, 2007 11:49 am ET)
         

      Boycotting the Fox-sponsored Nevada debate is a first good step.  Next I would like to see all Democratic candidates and officeholders refuse to go on Fox for any reason.  Stop treating the network like it has anything to do with reporting the news, because it simply doesn't.  It's a right wing media machine which has the single  goal of spreading GOP propaganda.

      Democrats should simply refuse to give Fox legitimacy by appearing on any broadcast produced by the network, period.  

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      • Author by Setir Copyh (March 10, 2007 1:44 pm ET)
           

        Well if you believe that, than you must also believe that MoveOn.org and Dailykos are both completely unbiased, biapartisan and have no candiate(s), political parties for which they are pulling for.

        There is a silver lining here, the vast majority of cable news viewers won't have to suffer through the typical Dem talking points for at least one debate.  I think I'll wet my pants.

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        • Author by solon (March 10, 2007 3:32 pm ET)
             

          You would have a point IF a website were the same as a Cable News Channel, it isnt, you dont.

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          • Author by temphandle devastating69adjoin (March 11, 2007 4:29 pm ET)
               

            I didn't realize that MoveOn and DailyKos plastered  "Fair and Balanced" on thier websites?

             

            Nice comparision.

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      • Author by Limit Corp. Ownership (March 10, 2007 5:00 pm ET)
           

        JJ...

        I agree with your post totally and completely.

        I think Democrats should boycott Fox completely.  Let the Faux News bobbleheads yak among themselves and watch their ratings plummet even lower.

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    • Author by ajwan (March 10, 2007 12:23 pm ET)
         

      Might have been slightly funnier if Ailes modified his jokes thusly.I don't know if it's true, that President Bush called Musharraf and said: "Why can't we catch this Bin Laden fellow?" and Musharraf responded and said, “Hold on I’ll ask him.”It is true that just in the last two weeks, Hillary Clinton has had over 200 phone calls telling her, in order to win the presidency, she doesn’t need Fox and actually can tell them to go take a flying fk at a rolling donut.

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      • Author by ajwan (March 10, 2007 12:25 pm ET)
           

        Man how did that get screwed up. I did have paragraph breaks - honest I did. See if this looks better.

        I don't know if it's true, that President Bush called Musharraf and said: "Why can't we catch this Bin Laden fellow?" and Musharraf responded and said, “Hold on I’ll ask him.”

        It is true that, just in the last two weeks, Hillary Clinton has had over 200 phone calls telling her, in order to win the presidency, she doesn’t need Fox and actually can tell them to go take a flying fk at a rolling donut.

         

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    • Author by Setir Copyh (March 10, 2007 1:19 pm ET)
         

      This is quite humorous.  Clearly bashing Bush.  But, actually being a Bush supporter, I found it funny.  

      Of course if Olberdouche, Bill Maher, Letterman, Al Gore, etc., ad nauseum...had said this, it would been a hilarious joke at Bush's expense. HAHAHA!  Oh well. Nothing like an actual joke (there are a lot of things said that are called jokes, that aren't. I agree with that folks) to get the nutroots in a tizzy.

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      • Author by HuntingtonBeachLefty (March 10, 2007 3:08 pm ET)
           

        Setir Copyh (REKCIL TOOB) You know what is a pretty good joke? A self-described Bush supporter referring to anybody as a "nutroot".

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      • Author by valentinian (March 10, 2007 9:32 pm ET)
           

        There is this thing called "context" you may wish to explore at some point...

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    • Author by wolf kotenberg (March 10, 2007 2:42 pm ET)
         

      Well, that does lend credence to Olberman reffering to FOX as comedy, when the leader of the pack sounds goofy.

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    • Author by wolf kotenberg (March 10, 2007 2:47 pm ET)
         

      The fat man singeth. Man you are a big fool. I am sure John Kerry fought for this country under the orders of the commander in chief and I am absolutely certain he did not care what color, what name, what religion the american fighting with him was.

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    • Author by thomasn528 (March 10, 2007 3:15 pm ET)
         

      Is that George Stephanolpoulos laughing at the end of the clip?

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    • Author by What Happened to Gannon (March 10, 2007 6:16 pm ET)
         

      Looking at Ailes' Photo

      I'm assuming the award was given posthumously.

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      • Author by njguy93 (March 10, 2007 8:34 pm ET)
           

        Looking at that photo, I think what happened to Gannon was he suddenly became thirty years older, 300 pounds heavier, and got glasses, and became an even bigger prostitute than he already was, literally as well as figuratively, regarding the bigger part and the prostitute part.

        THANK YOU.

        njguy93@yahoo.com

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    • Author by grhino (March 10, 2007 7:13 pm ET)
         

      So when Ted Kennedy and CNN confuse "Obama" and "Osama" its okay, but when Roger Ailes does it knowingly for a joke, start the rapid response and MMFA goes crazy....

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      • Author by iflurry8094 (March 10, 2007 8:22 pm ET)
           

        Why is that so unthinkable to you? Accidents are one thing, and conscious smears are another.

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      • Author by HuntingtonBeachLefty (March 11, 2007 5:11 am ET)
           

        Slip of the tongue vs. months of deliberate propaganda. Nope, I can't tell the difference.

        Can I have my No Spin windbreaker now?

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    • Author by njguy93 (March 10, 2007 8:31 pm ET)
         

      It is true that Roger Ailes is on the move.  It is also true that he is on the move for a box of doughnuts and he called his assistant and said "Why can't I find these doughnuts?"  It is DEFINITELY NOT TRUE that Roger Ailes is on the move due to a treadmill.

      THANK YOU.

      njguy93@yahoo.com

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    • Author by Yakki.PsD (March 11, 2007 3:11 am ET)
         

      I hear Roger is going to buy stock in a new empire that better fits his worldview.

       

      Hostess,here he comes!

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    • Author by savagerocks (March 11, 2007 7:16 am ET)
         

      Another example of libs again having no grasp of the concept of humor.  Not every joke told is required to use Bush as a punchline.  Whether funny or not that's what it was, an attempt at humor.  Had Bill Maher said this it would have been HILLARIOUS!  But it wasn't a lib so it's aggregious.  I'm glad I'm not a lib, you guys must think "Stripes" is an accurate depiction of life in the army.  Please evolve and develop a sense of humor.  And of course, not suprised at all that the dems wish to pull out of this debate.  Only the networks with a lib slant should be able to mediate a debate.  God forbid the HIGHEST RATED news network be in charge of one.

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      • Author by RealTruthseeker (March 11, 2007 8:46 am ET)
           

        Obviously, neither you nor Ailes has any concept of humor.

        First of all, humor is best used when there's an element of truth involved.  The Clinton joke is funny because Bill is a proven philanderer.  Of course, that fact was perverted by the GOP into a Ken Starr witch-hunt and partisan impeachmenet process... but that's beside the point.

        Any reference to Obama being associated with any terrorist organization... or any inference to him being sought after... is mean-spirited, and not funny.

        And as one who has had a cousin serve in Ramadi in the U.S. Marines when all h-e-double-hockey-sticks broke loose, I'm a liberal only too familiar that "Stripes" is not what life in the military is about.  My cousin's unit took the heaviest casualties in the war to date, and I don't view the Iraq perversion in the war on terror... or anything associated with the war on terror... as appropriate for any attempt at humor.

        And I don't care if this was a shot at Bush or Obama.

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        • Author by savagerocks (March 11, 2007 8:55 am ET)
             

          First of all, just because it might not be funny doesn't mean it wasn't a joke. Secondly, "perverted by ....impeachment", are you a fan of Libby going to jail?  Same crime.  And finally, where was the righteous indignation of this site when Bill maher implied that Dick Cheney's death would be a good thing?  Answer, there was none.  I would contend that this site has a clear right wing talkers bad, lefties good bias.

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          • Author by Kaleun (March 11, 2007 1:06 pm ET)
               

            Not the same crime at all. Clinton lied (not even under oath) about having sex with a woman he wasn't married to. Now, not only does it turn out that many presidents and famous political figure did the same thing (in fact, out of Roosevelt, Hitler, and Churchill, the only 'moral values guy was, you guessed it: Dein Fuhrer) but it is something absolutely not theatening national security. Libby, on the other hand, HELPED EXPOSE A CIA OPERATIVE, and then lied about him and everyone else doing it, under oath, TO THE FBI. I think that's slightly different. if you compare that to Clinton, there's obviously something wrong with you.

            As far as that Maher guy, whom I've never heard of, goes I can't speak for that...

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            • Author by savagerocks (March 11, 2007 1:26 pm ET)
                 

              Looked into it more and you're wrong.  They are the same.  Example, perjury states that one KNOWINGLY tells a lie.  The defense for clinton was unreliable meory, as was Libby's.  Libby's trial was NOT about "outing" Plame.  If it was Richard Armitage would've been in hot water.  Plame was not a covert op and many people in the beltway were aware of her status.  Both cases were perjury and only perjury charges.  In the Clinton case, many on the right cried for his head while lefties said "it's just sex".  On the other hand,  right wingers who wanted Clinton crucified for perjury are now recanting their stance by using the "he forgot" defense once again but this time it didn't work.  However, they are also different because libby's off to jail and Clinton got off with a slap on the hand.

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              • Author by anotheramerican (March 12, 2007 9:41 am ET)
                   

                A small point.  Not only that but Clinton subornated perjury by allowing others to tell falsehoods.

                He definitely corrupted the system by letting his supporters tell untruths in his defense.

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                • Author by Pragmatic Liberal (March 12, 2007 12:29 pm ET)
                     

                  Pure conjecture on your part.  I know cons don't live in the reality-based community but at least debate honestly using facts.  Clinton didn't get anyone to lie for him.  This has never been shown.

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              • Author by wethepeople (March 12, 2007 6:18 pm ET)
                   

                Libby on a post about Ailes?

                How far do you troll? Sigh... Libby was convicted of lying a lot.. his LIES prevented THE investigation into the outing of V.Plame who apparently not only was an undercover for the CIA- but had her cover blown working for WMD.

                Ah yeah Jail is in order. If he doesn't want to go to jail, then he should have told the TRUTH. Even if it meant giving up Cheney and Rove- who his defense attorney certainly implied his "faulty" memory was "protecting".

                Somehow.. geeze I don't know where I got this idea- but I think national security IS something that when comprised knowingly by our own government officials- they need to be held accountable.

                It's sad that you can't see the forest for the trees. But I don't know what points you think your making here.

                Just showing you don't look beyond the "propaganda" talking points.

                That's way Media Matters exists. If you search out the truth then why oh why do you post here??????

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            • Author by Taz (March 11, 2007 4:06 pm ET)
                 

              Not the same crime at all. Clinton lied (not even under oath) about having sex with a woman he wasn't married to. Now, not only does it turn out that many presidents and famous political figure did the same thing (in fact, out of Roosevelt, Hitler, and Churchill, the only 'moral values guy was, you guessed it: Dein Fuhrer) but it is something absolutely not theatening national security.

              The danger to our national security was real because the conduct made Clinton a blackmail target. For whatever reason this always seems to be conveniently forgotten whenever liberals argue it was only sex.

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              • Author by temphandle devastating69adjoin (March 11, 2007 4:25 pm ET)
                   

                I wonder how much time you would spend trying to downplay the CIA leak story if it wasn't a Repulican Adminstration being implicated? 

                Just curious why National Security and honoring/protecting the people that serve our country is so selective with you Cons?

                  

                 

                 

                 

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                • Author by Taz (March 11, 2007 4:40 pm ET)
                     

                  Excuse me person with the extremely long handle, but my post had zilch to do with the Libby case, I was addressing another post that wrongly suggested that Clinton's conduct had no national security risk attached to it.

                  Stick to the subject at hand. If you can't defend Clinton's conduct, then kindly move along.

                  Libby was found guilty as he should have been. I've never said otherwise.

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              • Author by pearlene_scott1602 (March 11, 2007 9:42 pm ET)
                   

                Not true until it happens.

                We can all guess whether Clinton would have continued to lie or not. WE DON"T KNOW.

                The FACT IS THAT HE DID NOT and you can GUESS UNTIL THE COWS COME HOME.

                LIBBY LIED ABOUT NATIONAL SECURITY. PERIOD!!

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                • Author by Taz (March 11, 2007 10:55 pm ET)
                     

                  Earth to Pearlene

                  The security risk was not Clinton lying about sex, the security risk was a President having sex outside of his marriage. That's the conduct he could have found himself being blackmailed for.

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                  • Author by prof (March 12, 2007 12:50 am ET)
                       

                    LOL!  Yes, I remember how "concerned" the right-wing neo-cons were about Clinton's little oral encounter being a security risk!  Oh, yeah!  Right!  Now the argument is security!  What balony!

                    Imagine how nostalgic most Americans (Democrats and Republicans alike) are for those days when the worst things the president did was get a bl*w job!

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              • Author by wethepeople (March 12, 2007 8:34 pm ET)
                   

                Blackmail?

                Ok, what was the baackmail threat?. I suppose that made Gingrich a target as well, and at the same time. But I seem to remember Gugrich pushing the spending of multi-millions to investigate if Pres. Clinton was having sex? I could have a faulty memory.

                Oh yeah.. blackmail. Do tell.

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      • Author by solon (March 11, 2007 10:43 am ET)
           

        Hey Savagesux, my barn is overrun by rats. I know how much you love to molest furry little animals I have a ton of them for you. You can have fun and I can get rid of my rats its a win-win situation. Wasnt that funny? Dont you have a sense of humor? Isnt it great that any insult is justified by calling it a joke? I heard you are so stupid that you had to hire a five year old to remind you to breathe. HAHA. What a funny joke and if you dont think so its because YOU dont have a sense of humor and ought to develop one

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        • Author by savagerocks (March 11, 2007 10:48 am ET)
             

          Wow, repeating my argument in order to debate....VEEEEEEERRRRYYY effective, and why do so many of your retorts to me involve small animals?  Fantasies running wild?  I've never said anything about them but the thought of them seems to effect you more than viagra does bob dole.  You answered NONE of the questions posed.  Why is it not noted or discussed when a left-winger makes off-color remarks but Alies get lambasted?  And if you look even deeper into the joke He's actually poking fun at Bush as well, implying he doesn't know the difference between Obama and Osama, or maybe he just has bush mistaken for Ted kennedy. 

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          • Author by temphandle devastating69adjoin (March 11, 2007 4:21 pm ET)
               

            You have a sick sense of humor if you think it's ok to compair a patriotic american to the man that materminded the 9/11 attacks..  It killed countless people or did you forget?

            It's not funny, end of story.

            Stop trying to SPIN for Fox News, they really don't need your help. 

             

             

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    • Author by savagerocks (March 11, 2007 7:51 am ET)
         

      One more thing to add, is it better to have someone like (socialist) Ted Turner in charge of news organizations?  History would negate this as a positive occurance.

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      • Author by solon (March 11, 2007 10:47 am ET)
           

        Ted Turner is a socialist? The man started CNN you are saying history shows this is a bad thing? Ted Turner is a committed capitalist and the koolaid has brainwashed you into incoherence.

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        • Author by savagerocks (March 11, 2007 10:53 am ET)
             

          Wow, you're right I guess everyone who says they are "a socialist at heart" shouldn't be considered a socialist.  Then again Noam Chomsky's worth roughly 2 mill, I guess you'd call him a champion of capitalism too.  I'm just glad you came up with your own argument on this one instead of using mine

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          • Author by Pragmatic Liberal (March 12, 2007 12:48 pm ET)
               

            There's a difference in the way he was using socialist, and the way you  use it pejoratively as code for communism.  The fact is we have a hybrid system right now.  Starting with Teddy Roosevelt, we've put in place some controls on capitalism, especially ones to prevent exploitation and pollution.  Everyone with any sense knows that the ideal lies in a balance of capitalism and socialism.

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      • Author by worrierking (March 11, 2007 11:04 am ET)
           

        I don't believe that Ted Turner is in charge any longer. I might be wrong.

        In any case, CNN could pass for (note: I said could pass for, not is) an unbiased news source. Fox could not make that claim in a million years.

        Fox was started to be conservative outlet for opinion.

        And I know it's a hard concept to grasp, but everything is not black and white. Your cons bad, libs good comment is insane.

        There are many on the fringes of both sides who do great harm to their causes. I'm a liberal. I'll admit we have them. Whenever I see insanity coming from the left, I distance myself from it.

        I don't excuse it as being an attempt at humor. When will the right start policing Coulter and the rest of the comedians on the right?

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        • Author by savagerocks (March 11, 2007 11:20 am ET)
             

          Yes, foxnews was created to be more conservative than CNN, which could not pass for fair reportage.  I alos think Turner is not in charge anymore but was for almost all the history of CNN.  Unfortunately, CNN was pretty much the only kid in town 'till Fox showed up and could, therefore they could lean far left without worrying about the public changing the channel.  The evidence that CNN has been, for the majority of it's existance left is easy to recognize by this simple act, the hiring of Glen Beck.  In order to help balance out the bias and a last ditch effort to stop getting destroyed in the ratings they had to do something. 

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          • Author by savagerocks (March 11, 2007 11:35 am ET)
               

            Funny about CNN bias I googled "bill maher, CNN, dick cheney" and well basically all I found out is that it wasn't covered. However, a search of "ann coulter, cnn, f!ggot" got some positive results.  This is my point.  Is it worse or at least just as bad to call someone a f#ggot or to say that it would be good if they died?  Which is more newsworthy considering Maher was talking about the VP and Coultier was simply talking about a second tier candidate?

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            • Author by pearlene_scott1602 (March 11, 2007 1:51 pm ET)
                 

              Savage, you have been listening to your "conservative slants" just a little to long.

              Bill Maher NEVER said he wanted Cheney dead. READ THE COMPLETE SHOWS TRANSCRIPT. I know that most comedians are from a liberal slant and maybe that's why not only are they funny, most people get the joke. Maybe that's why conservatives don't get the joke and CANNOT tell a joke either.

              Patrick Fitzgerald, United States Attny SAID that Valerie was COVERT. Maybe Gonzales and Rove should have fired him before they gave him the case. Don't try to make that fact that the Libby, lied and got caught anything more than what is was. Conservatives as well as liberals should have received that lesson from the Nixon days. It's not the crime, it's the cover up.

              Remember, the Clinton investigation STARTED out about Whitewater, led to Paula Jones, with the help of Richard Skakel and somehow ended up about Monica. The conservative reasoning at that time stated that "we cannot help where the investigation leads us".

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              • Author by savagerocks (March 11, 2007 3:24 pm ET)
                   

                While I did accidentally slip up and say that Maher said that it's good if cheney died I've, for the most part kept to the fact that he didn't say it, he implied it.  This is the only example where I wrote that he said it, it was a slip, I make a TON of mistakes in my typing/composition becasue I'm blogging at work.  You're right, he never said it, but he did imply it...nice spin

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                • Author by temphandle devastating69adjoin (March 11, 2007 4:17 pm ET)
                     

                  First you kept saying that Maher said it would be good if Cheney died.... When you finally get called to task for reading from your BS talking points, your suddenly going to switch your story to something else?  What you really meant is that he implied it? 

                   How can you actually finish your point with accusing someone else of "Spin"  

                  Have you no shame sir?  

                   

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                • Author by pearlene_scott1602 (March 11, 2007 9:47 pm ET)
                     

                  No spin, Savage, JUST THE FACTS!

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            • Author by wethepeople (March 12, 2007 6:07 pm ET)
                 

              Savagerocks

              Though it's obvious your trolling here- and really off topic- though I guess your main point is Ailes was making a "joke". I don't understand why you come to this site?

              Media Matters exposes misinformation and propaganda- you apparently think there is none. So why do you even waste your time on this site?

              MM documented in context the misinformation that Faux news picked up from another rag with no integrity to connect Obama to terrorist training. This was outrageous.

              In fact CNN had the where with all to actually send reporters out and check out the validity of such claims. Turns out they were false.

              No, It's not funny to associate Barrack Obama with terrorism. Ailes knew exactly what he was doing.

              Faux news makes a practice of using propaganda and smear as news.

              Also Bill Maher has a cable show on HBO- a paid cable station- he does commentary and comedy. People who tune in know what they are getting. He also makes a point to have many different view points on his show. That said, the remark made about Cheney was not that he wished him dead- but that there would be less death if Cheney weren't around, and that was relating to his continued promotion of the war in Iraq. ( and of course you know the VP has never served in the military, and chose to take many deferments during the VietNam war) But I digress..

              Bill Maher on HBO with his own opinion show- is a heck of a lot different than Ailes as head of Faux news making remarks that continue to smear a Senator and candidate for President of the Untied States as a terrorist, while getting an award....

              And if you don't "get that" then again why are you here posting?

              There are plenty of propaganda sites where you can pretend this kind of viciousness is "funny".

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    • Author by schm1tz (March 11, 2007 12:16 pm ET)
         

      Ailes is obviously making fun of:

      CNN -- A network that actually referred to Osama Bin Laden as "Obama" in one of its reports.

      and:

      George W. Bush -- A man known for his poor verbal skills.

      Ailes may not deserve the award he received, he may even be the devil incarnate, but making fun of CNN is harmless and making fun of W is something I and many others do every day.

      We should be congratulating Ailes for being actually fair and balanced for perhaps the first time ever.

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    • Author by DTRAIN (March 11, 2007 1:56 pm ET)
         

      So now google is part of the leftwing biased media list, is that what your saying? Oh yeah and by the way, the likes of CNN and CBS were not "left" leaning like you claim. They were 9 times out of 10 fair and UNbiased. The problem most cons like you have is that it wasn't extreme right enough for you, thus making it too "liberal".

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      • Author by savagerocks (March 11, 2007 3:27 pm ET)
           

        Well, reading comprehension must not be your strongpoint.  When I googled what I've already said I googled the fact that NO CNN reports clicked but it was completely different on the Ann Coulter thing.  The only articles I found regarding the Maher statement were those pointing out the lack of it being reported on CNN. 

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        • Author by savagerocks (March 11, 2007 3:35 pm ET)
             

          Just using one of the same arguments formerly used against me by a lib on this site.

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          • Author by temphandle devastating69adjoin (March 11, 2007 4:06 pm ET)
               

            Please explain how you think what Maher said is the same or even similar to what Coulter said? 

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          • Author by mefirst (March 12, 2007 6:47 am ET)
               

            savage just makes it up. on the march 2 "warming is caused by  sun" thread, he claimed that it would be freezing in houston on march 4, and that is past the normal last day of freezing. except....houston has freezing days into april.

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    • Author by DTRAIN (March 11, 2007 5:00 pm ET)
         

      "The only articles I found regarding the Maher statement were those pointing out the lack of it being reported on CNN."

      So I read Savagerocks that you first saw this charge on a right wing nut site. Was it say.. newsbusters by any chance? or was it the drudge report?

      So, let me see why CNN, a credible, reliable news organization did not report this so called incident

      From Bill Maher himself! :) 

      On Saturday, the website NewsBusters.org posted a story under the headline "Bill Maher Sorry the Assassination Attempt on Dick Cheney Failed."

      "There's just one problem: As a fair reading of the show's transcript makes clear, I never said those words. Still, over the weekend, dozens of websites, mostly right wing, picked up the story (with headline intact) thus proliferating the myth that comic Maher somehow advocates the whacking of our Veep"

      Wanna know, why CNN did not report this? Maybe cause, ding!, the sources of the story were NOT CREDIBLE! Its simple really!! 

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    • Author by DTRAIN (March 11, 2007 5:24 pm ET)
         

      "When I googled what I've already said I googled the fact that NO CNN reports clicked but..."

      I didn't know CNN reports could click but your right, I have hard time comprehending what you say... 

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    • Author by conleytgwinn (March 11, 2007 5:58 pm ET)
         

      For those interested, here is the BBC version of the transcript of Maher's show (Real Time):

      BBC - opens in new window, so you don't leave the thread.

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    • Author by clumberfeet (March 11, 2007 6:32 pm ET)
         

      This guy looks like the cowardly lion in the Wizard of Oz without the hair.

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    • Author by ftl4ever (March 11, 2007 11:40 pm ET)
         

      Who wrote his jokes, the writers of the "Half Hour News Hour?"

       

      They were as lame as that show. 

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    • Author by anotheramerican (March 12, 2007 9:58 am ET)
         

      Am I the only one?

      I did not see Aisles joke as an attempt at making others think Obama is Osama.  

      Geeze. If anything it is a joke against Bush and the administration and their confusion with the name. 

      But that is what MMFA seems to be reduced to these days... Taking jokes the wrong way in order to have a new thread for the die hards to again do the exact same thing toward conservatives and Republicans that they criticize them for; to wit, make derogatory jokes about and name call of the opposition. 

       

      So many of you remind me of the tough guy recruit. in the scene from the movie Stripes. I think it bears repeating here to you guys  where Sgt. Hulka says, "Lighten up Francis". 

       

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      • Author by jeter2 (March 12, 2007 11:03 am ET)
           

        Geeze. If anything it is a joke against Bush and the administration and their confusion with the name....by anotheramerican

        I see it exactly the same way AA. If Maher or Letterman or Stewart or any number of other people had said this it would have been clearly taken as a joke about Bush. And everyone here would have thought it was hillarious. In fact, I don't know just how Ailes might have meant it, but IF he was attempting to slap Obama he failed miserably and slapped Bush instead.

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        • Author by DTRAIN (March 12, 2007 2:12 pm ET)
             

          If Roger Ailes ever actually made a "joke" at Bush's expense, that implies anything about his religion/race, that'll be the day that Ann Coulter becomes a liberal.

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    • Author by kelletim6638 (March 12, 2007 12:00 pm ET)
         

      This is the sort of humor we can expect from this wheezing old syphilitic gasbag

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    • Author by DTRAIN (March 12, 2007 2:02 pm ET)
         

      The POINT is... Bill Maher, Al Franken, would NEVER MAKE "JOKES" LIKE THESE.

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    • Author by rogcoley5529 (March 12, 2007 5:08 pm ET)
         

      “Well if you believe that, than you must also believe that MoveOn.org and Dailykos are both completely unbiased, biapartisan and have no candiate(s), political parties for which they are pulling for.”

       

      Dailykos and Moveon.org have their own TV networks? Great!!! What channel is it on the Dish TV line-up?

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    • Author by interestingobserver (March 12, 2007 8:05 pm ET)
         

      Why does MMFA object to Ailes making fun of Bush's intelligence? 

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