Fox News Sunday panel ignored Edwards' reasons for skipping Fox debate
SUMMARY: On Fox News Sunday, while discussing John Edwards' decision not to participate in a Fox-sponsored Democratic debate in Nevada, panelists Bill Kristol, Juan Williams, Brit Hume, and Nina Easton all ignored Edwards' specific criticism of Fox News.
On the March 11 edition of Fox Broadcasting Co.'s Fox News Sunday, during a discussion regarding Democratic presidential candidate and former Sen. John Edwards' (NC) decision not to participate in a Fox News-sponsored Democratic debate in Nevada, the show's roundtable ignored entirely Edwards' explicitly stated reasons for withdrawing from the event. Indeed, the panel discussion included no mention of a March 9 email, in which the Edwards campaign cited two reasons why they had pulled out of the debate: Fox News' "blatant lies about Senator [Barack] Obama's [D-IL] background" and the network's decision "to give [right-wing pundit] Ann Coulter a platform to spew more hate a few days after her bigoted attack on Senator Edwards and the gay community."
Host Chris Wallace led off the segment by airing a controversial joke Fox News chairman and CEO Roger Ailes made while accepting the Radio-Television News Directors Association & Foundation's First Amendment Leadership Award: "[I]t is true that Barack Obama is on the move. I don't know if it's true that President Bush called [Pakistani President Pervez] Musharraf and said: 'Why can't we catch this guy?' " Wallace went on to report that the Nevada State Democratic Party later cancelled the debate entirely, citing Ailes' joke as one of the reasons for its decision.
After Wallace read from the Nevada state party's March 9 statement -- in which it stated that Ailes' comments about Obama "went too far" -- the panel launched into a discussion that repeatedly returned to Edwards' decision not to participate. Weekly Standard editor and Fox News contributor Bill Kristol accused Edwards of "pandering to the left wing of the party." National Public Radio senior national correspondent and Fox News contributor Juan Williams said that not participating in the debate was "contrary to the principles that should be advocated by anybody who says they're liberal or progressive," adding that "it should be liberals who are flying the flag for open and full-throated debate." Fox News Washington managing editor Brit Hume said that Edwards "is really the key player in this" and that his decision "pleases the wing of the party which is active and important in the nominating process."
But despite focusing the discussion largely on Edwards' opting out of the Nevada debate, neither Wallace nor any of the panelists noted that Edwards had cited two specific incidents involving Fox News as his reasons for withdrawing.
On March 6, Edwards' deputy campaign manager Jonathan Prince emailed the Daily Kos' Markos Moulitsas Zuniga, writing that Edwards would "not be participating in the Fox debate," and added: "By the end of March, we will have attended three presidential forums in Nevada -- and there are already at least three proposed Nevada debates." The email concluded: "We're definitely going to debate in Nevada, but we don't see why this needs to be one of them."
Later on March 9, the Edwards campaign sent an email to supporters, stating that "Fox News has already proven they have no intention of providing 'fair and balanced' coverage of any Democrat in this election." In support of this assertion, the statement noted that Fox News has "run blatant lies about Senator Obama's background" and that "Fox was only too happy to give Ann Coulter a platform to spew more hate a few days after her bigoted attack on Senator Edwards and the gay community." Media Matters documented both of the instances to which the Edwards campaign referred.
As Media Matters noted, on January 19, several Fox News hosts touted a since-discredited InsightMag.com article reporting that "researchers connected to" Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton (D-NY) disclosed that Obama "spent at least four years in a so-called Madrassa, or Muslim seminary, in Indonesia" and that "the specific Madrassa Mr. Obama attended" might have taught "a Wahhabi doctrine that denies the rights of non-Muslims."
Media Matters also noted that Fox News' Hannity & Colmes hosted Coulter on March 5 to explain her comments to the Conservative Political Action Conference, where she referred to Edwards as a "faggot." On that program, Coulter claimed that the word "isn't offensive to gays. It has nothing to do with gays. It's a schoolyard taunt, meaning wuss. And unless you're telling me that John Edwards is gay, it was not applied to a gay person."
During the panel discussion, Hume also claimed that "what Edwards knows is that while he may be at war against Fox News, Fox News is not and cannot be at war with him," adding that Fox News correspondents "Carl Cameron and Jim Angle and Major Garrett and you, Chris, in interviews, and I, as a news anchor on a nightly program, are going to continue to treat him in the same fair way that we've always treated him." However, Media Matters has previously noted numerous examples of inaccurate reporting and misinformation about Democrats by Cameron, Angle, Garrett, Wallace, and Hume.
From the March 11 edition of Fox Broadcasting Co.'s Fox News Sunday:
AILES [video clip]: Any candidate for high office of either party who believes he can blacklist any news organization is making a terrible mistake about journalists.
WALLACE: That was the chairman of Fox News Channel, Roger Ailes, responding after former Senator John Edwards announced he would not participate in a debate this summer being sponsored by Fox News and the Nevada Democratic Party.
And we're back now with Brit, Nina, Bill, and Juan. And let me just say right at the outset what a great speech Roger Ailes gave. I want to go firmly on record about that.
But this episode raises an interesting question, because Edwards dropped out after getting pressure from left-wing blogs and groups about the fact that he should have nothing to do with Fox.
Then after Roger's speech, the Nevada State Democratic Party wrote a letter canceling the entire debate. Let's put up what they had to say: "[C]omments made last night by Fox News President Roger Ailes in reference to one of our presidential candidates went too far. We cannot, as good Democrats, put our party in a position to defend such comments."
So, what did Roger Ailes say that was so objectionable? Here it is.
AILES [video clip]: And it is true that Barack Obama is on the move. I don't know if it's true that President Bush called Musharraf and said: "Why can't we catch this guy?"
WALLACE: Brit, what's going on here?
HUME: Well, that was obviously a joke on the president, the idea being he didn't know the difference between Barack Obama and Osama bin Laden. I think everybody in the room got it.
I don't think the Nevada Democratic Party was the least bit offended by that comment. I think the Nevada Democratic Party wanted to pull the plug on this debate because it -- like the Edwards campaign -- was under intense pressure from the bloggers and other leftist elements within the party, to which the party is at times remarkably responsive. But looking at -- Edwards is really the key player in this, and when you think about it for a minute, in the short term, this is probably a shrewd political move by him on a couple of counts.
One is that it separates him from the other candidates, at least briefly. It pleases the wing of the party which is active and important in the nominating process. And what Edwards knows is that while he may be at war against Fox News, Fox News is not and cannot be at war with him.
He knows, and his people know, that Carl Cameron and Jim Angle and Major Garrett and you, Chris, in interviews, and I, as a news anchor on a nightly program, are going to continue to treat him in the same fair way that we've always treated him. And we must do that.
Now, he may get roughed up by some conservative commentators on Fox, but he'll be defended by liberal commentators on Fox as well. So, in the short term, this is probably good politics. In the long term, I have my doubts, but that remains to be seen.
EASTON: This is a bigger political story than just this debate or the Nevada Democratic Party. This is really about the power of the liberal left blogging community, which I think we're going to see play out.
We've already seen bits and pieces of it. Keep in mind, it was the blogging community that very much put pressure on presidential candidates to renounce their vote about Iraq. And Hillary Clinton's paid the price in that community for this. John Edwards did renounce his vote and it was part and parcel of that pressure coming.
And this is going to be something that the Democratic candidates are going to have to respond to all through the campaign there. And Edwards, I think, is more aligned with that community than the other candidates. It's going to be a difficult road at points for them.
WALLACE: Bill, here's the question I have. What would the mainstream media say if a Republican candidate were to cave in to right-wing blogs and right-wing interest groups and say, "I'm not going to have anything to do with CBS News or The New York Times"?
KRISTOL: You know, I thought about that. Certainly, the right dislikes The New York Times as much as the left dislikes Fox News. And if, yeah, a candidate refused to appear at a forum -- I don't think it ever happens, does it?
You know, one feels one should treat the media -- one has to be open to the media. Look, if the Democrats don't want Fox to sponsor a debate, I suppose that's their business. But what it tells me is, you know, that the Democratic Party has moved to the left.
John Edwards appeared on Fox News Sunday -- what? -- four times between late 2003 and late 2004. I remember chatting with him.
WALLACE: He came on regularly and, quite frankly, I hope he comes back. He's welcome anytime. He's an interesting political figure.
KRISTOL: Yeah, and I noticed that his spokesman left open the possibility of appearing on Fox. They don't want to really close the door.
So, it's just a pandering to the left wing of the party, which they're doing on trivial things, like who hosts a debate in Nevada, and serious things, like putting -- undercutting our attempt to win the war in Iraq.
WILLIAMS: Well, you know, there's just no question, we live in an era of niche journalism. And in niche journalism, Fox is more conservative, and so what you have is a situation here where Fox is the new guy on the block. We're 10 years old.
And you have people then coming along saying, "Well, Fox is practicing a kind of journalism that is preferential towards Republicans or the White House." I think it's more conservative and contrarian than anything. But that's all true.
But then it comes to the point where -- so what are you going to do? You don't like the kind of broadcasting that Fox does -- although it's quite successful, has a legitimate audience, people are listening and being informed on the basis of Fox journalism -- and then you're going to say, "We're not going to play ball with them."
To my mind, that is contrary to the principles that should be advocated by anybody who says they're liberal or progressive -- whatever kind of language they want -- in this country. You want open and full- fledged, full-throated debate. That's what you want.
And nobody said that this wasn't going to be a legitimate debate with real questions that would put candidates in a position to offer real answers. They would be given time.
WALLACE: You're fired up.
WILLIAMS: Well, I think it's crazy that you tell the people shut up. I mean, I sometimes have this argument with Brit Hume. I think he's trying to shut me up. But I think it should be liberals who are flying the flag for open and full-throated debate, you know?

















the surprise would have been them being honest about it at all. this behavior only cements in thoughtful peoples minds the concept that FAUX is fake all the way through.
On another thread today, Fox apologists made this same, dishonest, bogus claim: that Democrats were "avoiding debate". Fact: Democrats want debates. They want tough questions, open debates. What they don't want is Fox' post-debate derision, like the kind Fox delivered the last time. Fox wants to mine the debate immediately afterwards for whatever material they can scrape-up to spin against the candidates. They did it once, they'd have done it again (which is another reason they're now very pi$$ed.)
Furthermore, Hume trots-out the tired "joke" excuse for Ailes' cheap-shot at Obama. How typical.
Dave I agree.
On a previous thread several conservative posters stated that the reason the Dems opted out of the debate was because they were "weak". Now I am agree with that too an extent, but other reasons(such as the reasons you mentioned) need to be discussed as well. I am not a democrat because even though I agree with them 95% of the time, they seem too "spineless" to me(not all of them). I remember Chris Dodd's appearance two days ago on THE DAILY SHOW, in which he discusses the Democrat's choice to leave the debate. He stated that he WANTED to be in the debate, something I was actually surprised to hear...
Waa Waa WAA- Faux is really losing it.
To compare themselves as the mirror of NYT or CBS is of course absurd. They actually have to answer for misinformation- and oped pieces are defined as such. Plus as MM has once again documented so well here, the "Myth" of liberal media is just that- a myth.
But repetition, repetition, repetition. Say enough and "they" will believe.
Only "they" are losing their grip. The constant vicious attacks, name calling, smears, misinformation is beginning to take their toll,
I loved it when President Clinton went "off" on Chris Wallace a few months ago. And oh yeah, he (Wallace)couldn't stand the heat, and tried to get out of that kitchen. If they can't out shout you, cut you off, have the last work when you've left the building, well then there is no "reporting"
When confronted with facts or opinions they don't want to hear, the Faux folk go berserk.
Many seem to have short term memory loss as well. The 2004 election wasn't that long ago.. I well remember that Prez. Bush campaign controlling any and all questions that came their way, as well as orchestrating his campaign stops so that there was never a discouraging word.
Dis faux news report on that?
Guess I have short term memory loss as well.
Thank gawd for candidates like John Edwards who clearly state- enough! Yeah, give air time to someone who calls me a "F#@@)^. Yeah, that' the ticket. How American.
Oh yeah, associate a Senator with terrorists that's pretty funny. Ha ha ha. Not!
Enough is enough is enough.
Keep repeating that one- Faux fools.
In the long run, the Democratic Party will gain much more respect than opprobrium for refusing, on principle, to recognize FOX News as deserving of hosting one of its debates. What's the point of serving yourself up for unfair treatment by a network that dishonestly tries to convince its viewers on a regular basis that you are unpatriotic and anti-American? The American people will see Democratic candidates face tough questioning and debate issues in real (not contrived) terms in their debates... FOX News would be nothing but a distraction.
Let FOX News do its post-debate shows in its customary "fair and balanced" way with its usual line-up of suspects... and, who knows, Ann Coulter might even call someone a f4ggot.
Edwards is a total hypocrite. 1) This guy goes on Fox News over 30 times over the last 3 years and NOW all of a suddent claims that Fox is an "unfair" network. Didn't see any complaints when he was on H & C 24 times...2) How the hell would we expect Edwards to stand up to dictators of foreign terrorist states when he can't even stand up to Fox news reporters?? I mean seriously, Edwards is afraid of a few "unfair" questions from a Fox News host, yet he would have no problem dealing with people like King Jong-Il or Ahmedinajad (sp?). Give me a break
3) Supposedly one of the reasons he withdrew was because Fox News gave Ann Coulter more airtime. Ok, fine. whatever. Yet, this is the same guy who hired anit-Christian, anti-religion bloggers to write for his campaign. Talk about giving people "a platform to spew more hate". Seriously, Edwards hypocrisy is hillarious.
Did you read this ?
"Edwards campaign cited two reasons why they had pulled out of the debate: Fox News' "blatant lies about Senator [Barack] Obama's [D-IL] background" and the network's decision "to give [right-wing pundit] Ann Coulter a platform to spew more hate a few days after her bigoted attack on Senator Edwards and the gay community."
I said FOX was unfair... not Edwards, who cites recent events as the basis of his decision..
Looks like the Fox apologist night shift has arrived.
"Seriously, Edwards hypocrisy is hillarious."
Does this mean Edwards won't be able to count on your vote anymore?? Say it ain't so!
Well said Grhino........
And the Edward's defenders get all whiny and complain about the "soft" label attached to him.......this ain't helpin'
"the 'soft' label"
Attached to John Edwards by whom? The right wing? It's way too early to tell and I'm not a fortune teller, but my studied opinion is that the Democratic playing field will begin to level out once the primaries begin, and I think Edwards will gain ground. Edwards is the dark horse who may surprise everyone. This FOX flap isn't going to hurt him one bit. The right wing was already saying bad things about him before this... and look how it backfired on Ann Coulter.
John Edwards did not achieve success as a trial lawyer by being "soft"... if anyhting he's a tough, analytical, tactical fighter underneath an appearance and demeanor that may not suggest that. It's the guy you underestimate that you should be concerned about... Wait for the debates and see how "soft" John Edwards is.
All I know is that anyone who won't, or can't, or shouldn't ,or doesn't feel like it, or is uncomfortable being questioned in a debate by a slanted news organization, it just makes those looking at him scratch their head. Being President means dealing with all sorts of slimy and rough and tough situations - if he shuns one silly debate because it's not "fair", how prepared is he to face far more unfair and difficult days in the WH.
I don't dislike Edwards at all, but to go on Fox many times over his political career and now decide a debate hosted by them is unfair when you are asking to be the POTUS, is "soft".
First of all, John Edwards said he refused to appear on a FOX-broadcast Democratic debate because of "blatant lies" FOX News spread about Barak Obama, and because FOX News gives a platform for Ann Coulter to spew her hateful anti-gay diatribes and, this time, particularly drawing Edwards into it. Those are Edwards' stated reasons, with which I agree.
Secondly, it was not just John Edwards who was refusing to appear in a FOX-broadcast debate. He was just the first. It is now essentially the decision of the Democratic Party, with which I also agree.
Thirdly, your comments assume that only FOX News is capable of confronting Democratic candidates, including Edwards, with tough questioning. There is no basis for that assumption whatsoever.
The bootm line is the Democratic Party doesn't need FOX News and that's why FOX has its panties all twisted up. It was just a matter of time before FOX News was called upon to pay for its version of "fair and balanced" journalism. FOX is the loser here, not John Edwards or the Democratic Party.
Out of curiosity, are you going to watch the Democratic debates? If John Edwards handles tough questioning are you going to hold it against him because he, and the rest of the field, didn't appear on a FOX-broadcast debate?
I will watch the debates, and I won't necessarily hold it against anyone.......but we disagree here. If Fox is so irrelevant and the Democrats don't "need it" as you say, then why do they appear on the network at all?
What you and others obviously fail to realize is that many independents and Democrats watch Fox News as well - it's just not rabid right wingers. If you only want to talk to people that share your ideology, then you limit your audience and appear wary of unfriendly environments.....that's all I'm saying. Fox may be slanted and biased, but they are the #1 cable news channel - to say that certain candidates don't need that forum or their audience is to deny reality.
Besides, as I've said - you maintain they don't need it........yet they continue to appear on Fox regularly - so your claim doesn't hold up.
Democrats don't need FOX News to host its debates. FOX News is adversarial to the Democratic Party. What would be the point?
And, by the way, FOX News may have the highest cable news ratings, but FOX basically serves a niche audience. It's an extreme right wing network. That's its main audience. Compare FOX to all the rest of the cable news networks who serve news in a balanced fashion, without a right wing agenda, and you get a different picture.
I flip to FOX News just to see what stories they are reporting and how they are reporting them. Although I can't stomach what I see on FOX News for very long, perhaps people like me are contributing to FOX's cable ratings too.
Irony, I appreciate your opinions - you are always very respectful even in disagreement, and this is just one of those cases.
In the scheme of things, this is not a huge issue, admittedly.....and I wouldn't not vote for or against a candidate because of this. I just believe that politicians who ask for our vote for the most important office in our country need their feet held to the fire on issues and positions they hold. Spokespeople, handlers and advisers are just there for PR spin and don't interest me in the least. I expect candor, honesty, leadership, judgement and accessibility.......in all forums.
Irony 101Wow, it's tough to cram that much distortion into these posts, but you managed to do it. ok, here goes.."the 'soft' label" Attached to John Edwards by whom? The right wing?"By any clear thinking person who sees how pathetic it is that someone makes personnel decisions (holding onto anti-Christian bloggers) and debate decisions solely on the basis of the radical left-wing Kossacks (perhaps 5-10% of the Democratic primary membership). "It's way too early to tell and I'm not a fortune teller, but my studied opinion is that the Democratic playing field will begin to level out once the primaries begin, and I think Edwards will gain ground. "Edwards is done. He's finished, stick a fork in him. Americans are tired of a blow-dried fast talker in a slick suit with a 28,000 SF house who property taxes are more than most Americans make in a year complaining about 2 America's when he clearly belongs to the "better/rich/privileged" America. "John Edwards did not achieve success as a trial lawyer by being "soft"... "No, actually he became successful by chasing ambulances and convincing juries of stupid Americans about fraudulent malpractice claims. "gives a platform for Ann Coulter to spew her hateful anti-gay diatribes"Yea, this guy has no problem hiring people to work for him to spew their anti-Christian, anti-religion diatribes..hypocrisy anyone?"your comments assume that only FOX News is capable of confronting Democratic candidates, including Edwards, with tough questioning. "No, that is not what I am was implying at all. Although it might be true, the point was that if you can't stand up to tough questioning you shouldn't be running for president. Period. "The bootm line is the Democratic Party doesn't need FOX News "Good luck winning the Presidential election with that attitude..."FOX is the loser here, not John Edwards or the Democratic Party."No, the real losers (besides the Kossacks and you) are the voters who will not get to see a debate AND the people of Nevada who will lose millions of dollars in tourism revenue. " it was not just John Edwards who was refusing to appear in a FOX-broadcast debate. He was just the first."Yes, that's why Edwards takes the most blame. Far as I can tell, the only person to drop out before the Nevada Democrats cancelled the debate was Richardson. I hadn't seen any official comments from Obama/Clinton/Dodd/other unknown candidates. "FOX News is adversarial to the Democratic Party."CNN, MSNBC, NBC, CBS, and NPR are adversial to the conservative point of view. But you don't see us complaining about all the debates on those channels now do you??"What would be the point?"To expose these candidates to the largest cable news viewership in the country...to give people who watch Fox News of all political stripes a chance to see the future presidential contenders. "Compare FOX to all the rest of the cable news networks who serve news in a balanced fashion,"Hah..CNN, MSNBC, CBS (who all hired a former friend of Bill Clinton--Rick Kaplan--who slept at the White House to be their news programmer) are balanced???? Now you're making me laugh.
Tommy, actually you have a good point.
As much as I despise FOX NEWS, I think you are correct. If I want my view to be heard, why not do it on the #1 Cable News Channel? Now I am not even about to think I would be given a fair shake, but at least I can try, and heck, maybe some of the far righties who watch these FOX NEWS programs may take consideration for my views.
Barry,
To go even further, if Edwards is so convinced this will be an unfair and biased forum, then this gives him and the others a golden opportunity to hit them square in the face with their bias for everyone to see. It's like the perfect softball homerun. Edwards and the other candidates will come across as centrist, moderate and reasonable - while Fox may come across as partisan, unfair and in the tank for the GOP.
Isn't this the charge the left always levels at Fox? Now they have the perfect chance to enter and slay the lion in his own den - and they chicken out.
You're so naive it's hard to accept as genuine. When (not if) they ask slanted questions and they get called out on it, what do you think the analysis is going to look like? "Oops, they got us on that one?" Get real. They'll accuse the Dems of dodging questions because they don't want to answer them, and you know it. And if any candidate were to raise their voice in the least little bit because of an offensive question, they'll be labeled "unhinged".
Do you really think that a forum that asks slanted questions is going to sit quietly and accept being called out for what they are without any retribution? Right. Some golden opportunity.
Tommy. You are taking a lot of post space on many threads- spinning in circles. Why do you come to this site? Seriously? Is it to be informed?
In my opinion- Edwards made a great decision- and as many have pointed out to you clearly stated his reasons.
Faux news- its not a News" channel- in any sense of the word news- they more than any cable or mainstream channel have an agenda- and that agenda is to repeat talking points of the current Administration, malign those who disagree ( in really vicious ways) and bully and smear.
That continued practice by the network as a whole- finally caused Edwards to say enough.
I predict more candidates and political organizations will be doing the same.
You may have noticed this is not a site where you will "sell Faux"
And you can spend days, weeks going through the archives of MM where they have meticulously documented reams of misinformation and downrigh hate coming from this "channel".
O'Reilly of course a poster child for hate, and their talking head Colter the slimeball runner-up.
What do you care if John Edwards agrees with Faux or not?
Do you see the beginning of the end.
I certainly do.
Even ignorance has a saturation point.
Monster you should know why Tommy comes here I've seen you on here enough. It's a simple one word explanation: TROLL! Nuff said?
"O'Reilly of course a poster child for hate, and their talking head Colter the slimeball runner-up."
You talking about Fox News and O'Reilly and "hate" is hillarious. Your largest websites (Daily Kos, Huffington Post, etc..) routinely use hate and vulgar language directed at all sorts of conservatives and wish/hope for the death of government officials. And you're trying to me that we're the ones with the problem of hate??
"All I know is that anyone who won't, or can't, or shouldn't ,or doesn't feel like it, or is uncomfortable being questioned in a debate by a slanted news organization, it just makes those looking at him scratch their head."
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If that's "all you know," then all you know is wrong.
possibly the dumbest and most ridiculous comment I have seen on here in a long time...way to go...Now go back to making your "George Bush is the World's greatest Terrorist" t-shirts...
"...this is the same guy who hired anit-Christian, anti-religion bloggers to write for his campaign"
This is a gross distortion, a complete misrepresentation of the two fine bloggers engaged by the Edwards campaign.
It is simply another GOP smearing of those who disagree with our would-be lord and master Bush.
"This is a gross distortion, a complete misrepresentation of the two fine bloggers engaged by the Edwards campaign. "
Dude, if you can honestly sit there and tell me that you didn't see any of their comments as being hateful towards religion (which Edwards essentially conceded) and/or Christianity, then you've got the IQ of a spoon. Numerous people, on the both the right AND the left, condemned those comments as hateful, disgusting, and anti-religion. Christofacists. A comment misrepresented by two "fine bloggers"
"It is simply another GOP smearing of those who disagree with our would-be lord and master Bush. "
Again, completely false.
http://newsbusters.org/node/10753
Yea, Mark Shields and Nina Totenberg are real water-carrying members of the GOP...You couldn't have been more wrong."I mean, the stuff that they wrote on there was graphic, pornographic. I mean, one of the quotes was, 'What if the Virgin Mary,' a central figure in Christianity, 'had taken Plan B,' morning after pill, 'after the Lord filled her with hot, white, sticky Holy Spirit?' Now, if she had written similarly about a Jewish person, an Islamic person, a gay or a lesbian, she would be banished to the outer darkness."
Nina Totenberg: "It's really, it's just disgusting, and you can't have a viable campaign and allow that to go on."
Finally, Marcotte admitted that she is anti-religion in a blog post here: ""Because the fundies have gotten more aggressive, in other words, they’ve created an opportunity for anti-religious thinkers to flood the media with our point of view and also to get more aggressively anti-religious,"
http://pandagon.net/2006/11/18/atheists-realizing-the-best-defense-is-a-good-offense/
The sad case is Juan Williams who did such a wonderful job with "Eyes On the Prize." What has he transformed himself into? He appears to be confused about his own views on the issues most of the time he appears on any of the Fox shows. And have you noticed how he must not consider NPR his main employer anymore? "Fox is the new guy... we're only ten years old."
A shame.
Please advert your eyes from the dead body lying on the floor (Any pretense that Fox news is "Fair & Balanced")
Any real reporting on a topic of this nature would mention the reasons why John Edwards is refusing to show up for the Fox debate.
Does anyone find this statement by Juan Williams the least bit odd?
"But then it comes to the point where -- so what are you going to do? You don't like the kind of broadcasting that Fox does -- although it's quite successful, has a legitimate audience, people are listening and being informed on the basis of Fox journalism -- and then you're going to say, "We're not going to play ball with them.""
"Fox journalism"
An oxymoron, if I ever saw one.
Just flip channels on any given night and watch what stories that FOX devotes coverge to. On the day Porter Goss resigned as CIA Director the other netwroks devoted extensive coverage to the story. It was important because the CIA was in a state of chaos and revolt. The CIA had already been engaged in a blame war with the White House over Iraq intelligence used to justify the war. Career CIA analysts and an important department director had been resigning in droves in protest since Goss had been appointed Director. That night Sean Hannity's devoted extensive coverage to Cynthia McKinney slapping a Capitol Police guard, and interviewed an inarticulate Black Panther Party leade as his foil. I flipped around, and could have possibly missed it, but I never saw any coverage by Hannity of the important Goss resignation story. Nor did I see on any other FOX shows broadcast the extent of informative and analytical coverage of the story as the other networks had.
Read this carefully: FOX News is a JOKE.
Juan just misspoke. He meant to say MISinformed by Fox. Just like the Pew poll proved when it asked people about four demonstrably incorrect statements about the Iraq war. It showed that viewers of Fox news were the MOST likely to have those misconceptions.
GRHINO Has A Point. Having prevoisly seen Edwards on Fox News and even BOR's show within the past 18 months I think he's steamed at FNC, and not because of bias or Atomic Annie, the fouled mouth bimbo of the far right. Perhaps being called on the carpet with his blogger situation has something to do with it, but that is speculation. However, it is unusual for a presidential candidate to spurn an opportunity at promoting their viewpoint in a debate, even if FNC is sponsoring it. Edwards needs the media exposure and his supporters or detractors can form their own opinions.
Isn't it a Fox thang to portray itself as the number one news source (they neglect to say "on cable") for Americans? Don't Fox viewers come away with the impression that everyone in the US watches Fox?
If Fox is this uber news channel, providing most Americans with their news, then why is FOX the one obsessing on this? Wouldn't it hurt the Dems more? Fox won't be covering any Green Party caucuses either. Do any of their viewers care?
What FOX News may fear is tht this episode may reveal just how less important FOX News is in the grander scheme of broadcast journalism. Despite FOX's ratings head to head against other particular networks, what is a more valid gauge is FOX vis-a-vis all the the other netwroks combined. FOX is in a class of its own as the sole entirely right wing channel. Certainly FOX has cornered the market on right wing viewers but that is a niche market.
The bottom line is this... the Democratic debates will go forward without FOX. FOX will be out of the loop. If viewers want to see the Democratic debates they will have to tune to another channel. FOX not only loses some element of it viewing audience during the debate that particular night, but it discredits FOX for not being considered legitimate enough to host a Democratic debate. Not everyone will "get it" (and some may even think it discredits the Democrats instead) but the message that FOX News does not represent legitimate journalism will not be lost for many people. And the more the message is reinforced that FOX News is biased the better.
I'm proud of the Democrats for taking this stand. Let's stop pretending FOX News is nothing more than a right wing tool.
CORRECTION: "Let's stop pretending FOX News is nothing more than a right wing tool."
Should read: Let's stop pretending that FOX News is something more than a right wing tool.
Sorry... thanks.
I'm relieved to hear that Fox intends to give Edwards the same Fair & Balanced treatment they always have. That's the kind of journalistic integrity that should serve as an example for others.
I still don't understand why ANY self respecting Democrat would appear on Faux News. If they would all refuse to appear, that would make news everywhere else and could get the morons that believe in Faux News to start being a little more critical in their thinking. But, I'm sure pigs will fly before the idiot Democrats will wake up and see that they are just being used by Faux News to prove that Faux News is "fair and balanced".
"[Democrats] are just being used"
You hit on the key phrase. Fox has shown that they can and will take the Democrats' debate performance and spin it on behalf of the Republican party. Pre-debate and post-debate. Hume, Fox & Friends, Hannity, O'Reilly, Coulter, Morris, and on and on, right down the line. The only fair shake Democrats might get is the actual debate itself. Which, as you say, is simply something Fox will point at to try and claim just how oh-so tremendously fair they are.
Get real Tommy, Ghrino, et al, Fox is not a news organization. It is nothing more than a propaganda arm for right wingers. I say all Democrats should marginalize Fox as it deserves to be marginalized and outright ignored. Fox brings nothing to the table. Democrats and any person with any credibility should shun the foxies as the loyalists that they are....as opposed to patriots.