Hannity falsely claimed Clinton called herself the "JFK of 2008," baselessly blamed her for Giuliani YouTube video
SUMMARY: Sean Hannity falsely asserted that "Hillary Clinton is claiming she is the JFK of 2008," referring to a speech she gave in New Hampshire. Hannity and Dick Morris also suggested without evidence that Clinton's presidential campaign was behind the posting on YouTube of a 1989 video of Rudy Giuliani expressing support for Medicaid-funded abortions and revived the much-repeated falsehood that Clinton announced her allegiance to the New York Yankees only upon deciding to run for Senate.
On the March 12 edition of Fox News' Hannity & Colmes, co-host Sean Hannity falsely asserted that "Hillary Clinton is claiming she is the JFK of 2008," referring to a March 10 speech Sen. Clinton gave in New Hampshire. The segment on Clinton's remarks featured an on-screen graphic reading: "I'm JFK"; later, during an interview with Fox News political analyst Dick Morris, the following text appeared on screen: "Hillary Says She Is the JFK of 2008." As co-host Alan Colmes later said, "[S]he never said she was JFK. She was talking about breaking barriers much like JFK broke the Catholic barrier."
Later in the program, Hannity and Fox News political analyst Dick Morris revived the much-repeated falsehood that Clinton announced her allegiance to the New York Yankees only upon deciding to run for Senate. Hannity and Morris also suggested -- offering no evidence -- that Clinton's presidential campaign was behind the posting on YouTube of a 1989 video of former New York City Mayor Rudy Giuliani [R] expressing support for Medicaid-funded abortions.
On March 11, the New York Post published an article with the headline "Hill: I'm the JFK of 2008." Matt Drudge posted the New York Post headline on the Drudge Report, linking to the Post article. The Post reported that Clinton "invoked the campaign of the nation's lone Catholic president, John Kennedy, last night as she talked about her challenge in becoming the first female commander-in-chief."
Following is the portion of Clinton's March 10 speech during which she addressed Kennedy:
A lot of people back then [during former President Kennedy's 1960 campaign] said, "Well, you know America will never elect a Catholic as president," but those who gathered here almost half a century ago knew better. ... So when people tell me, or when one of the pundits says that "I don't think a woman can be elected president," I say, "We'll never know unless we try."
Following Hannity's false assertions regarding Clinton's JFK reference, Colmes stated, "She never claimed -- and what I heard her say -- that she was JFK or likened herself. It's the kind of a candidacy we're talking about."
Nonetheless, both Morris and Hannity went on to advance several other falsehoods regarding Clinton. Morris referenced the JFK comment by stating, "[I]n New Hampshire she's Catholic." Hannity added, "And in Chicago, she was a Cubs fan, and in New York she's a Yankees fan."
As Media Matters for America has noted (here and here), Picture 40 of her autobiography Living History (Scribner, 2004) shows Clinton wearing a New York Yankees hat in 1992 -- eight years before her Senate campaign. And in a September 12, 1994, article, The Washington Post reported, "Mrs. Clinton ... as a kid was a 'big-time' fan of the Chicago Cubs and New York Yankees and 'understudied' Ernie Banks and Mickey Mantle."
Later, the discussion turned to a 1989 video clip of Rudy Giuliani stating, "There must be public funding for abortions for poor women." Both Morris and Hannity baselessly claimed that it was the Clinton campaign that recently posted the clip to YouTube.com. Hannity stated: "[C]hances are overwhelming that it was Hillary Clinton's campaign [that released the video]."
Media Matters noted (here, here, here, and here) multiple instances of both Hannity and Morris, who has stated he's "leaving the country" if a Clinton-Obama ticket wins, attempting to smear Sen. Clinton. These include:
- Morris has reportedly planned to "Swift-Boat" Sen. Clinton. In his January 20 column, nationally syndicated columnist Robert D. Novak wrote that Morris is "asking for a contribution between $25 and $100 or more to finance a critical film documentary" of Clinton.
- Morris has claimed that "somebody close" to Clinton's "war room" "indeed planted" the discredited accusation with InsightMag.com that Sen. Barack Obama (D-IL) attended a madrassa in his youth. ABC News reported that the accusation that Clinton is responsible for the smear "remains unproven and unsubstantiated." Clinton spokesman Howard Wolfson said of the smear, "We have no connection to this story." Similarly, Obama strategist David Axelrod said he did not "believe ... for a second" the allegation that Clinton's camp was behind the story. In addition, Media Matters has documented instances (here and here) in which Morris has baselessly suggested Clinton smear Obama using falsehoods concocted by Morris himself.
- Sean Hannity and syndicated columnist Robert Novak suggested that "dirty political tricks" by Clinton were behind the January 2007 "leaking" of Obama's admission that he had used cocaine to The Washington Post -- despite the fact that in his 1995 memoir Dreams From My Father: A Story of Race and Inheritance (Three Rivers Press), Obama admitted to using drugs when he was younger.
From the March 12 edition of Fox News' Hannity & Colmes:
HANNITY: First, our top story tonight: Hillary Clinton is claiming she is the JFK of 2008. Oh, really?
CLINTON [video clip]: People in New Hampshire came together to offer their support for a presidential candidate who came from just south of here. He was smart, he was dynamic, he was inspiring, and he was Catholic.
And a lot of people back then said: "Well, you know, America will never elect a Catholic as president." But those who gathered here almost half a century ago knew better. They believed America was bigger than that and that Americans would give Senator John F. Kennedy a fair shake. And the rest, as they say, is history.
HANNITY: And joining us now with more, former Clinton adviser -- if it's Mondays, it's Dick Morris -- and don't forget, by the way, go to DickMorris.com. You can get Dick's latest columns and newsletters. By the way, it's absolutely free, right?
MORRIS: Yeah, but let me start --
HANNITY: You're no JFK, I know. You're --
MORRIS: Let me start with that Hillary thing. When she ran for senator -- when she ran in Arkansas, she announced that she was basically Southern.
HANNITY: Right.
MORRIS: When she ran in New York, she said her great -- her grandfather, step-grandfather was Jewish. When she went to Selma, she said that she was being lifted up by Martin Luther King and the blacks to be able to run for president.
HANNITY: The year before she supported Goldwater, yeah.
MORRIS: And now, in New Hampshire, she's Catholic.
HANNITY: Yeah, and she was -- in Chicago, she was a Cubs fan, and in New York, she's a Yankees fan.
MORRIS: I mean --
HANNITY: There's something that is --
MORRIS: Come on, lady. Who do you think -- how stupid do you think we are?
[...]
COLMES: Well, let me ask you about the JFK remark. First of all, she never said she was JFK. She was talking about breaking barriers much like JFK broke the Catholic barrier; she would break another important barrier. She never claimed -- and what I heard her say -- that she was JFK or likened herself. It's the kind of a candidacy we're talking about.
MORRIS: Nor did she say she was black in Selma; nor did she say she was Jewish in New York --
COLMES: It was Toni Morrison who said [former President Bill] Clinton was black.
MORRIS: -- nor did she say she was Southern in Arkansas.
COLMES: She lived in Arkansas.
MORRIS: But in all cases, she tried to blend into the environment and appear that way. And it's this basic point that I made about Hillary the last week when I was on this show, that she is so insecure about who she really is that she tries to become things she really isn't.
COLMES: Look, either, she can be tone-deaf to her environment or she can actually try to blend into the environment, whether it's a Chicago person going to Arkansas, then going to D.C., then going into New York. This is someone who adapts to all these issues.
[...]
MORRIS: Yeah, I know, but I think that you'd have Rudy basically nominating conservative judges. And also I think it probably reflects a feeling that, certainly at the judicial level and the legislative level, most of those abortion-related issues are settled --
HANNITY: There's a bigger question.
MORRIS: -- and the others are just state issues. But he's dancing around it.
HANNITY: There's a bigger question though. Now, that tape is nearly 19 years old that we just played here.
MORRIS: Yeah, he still had his hair.
HANNITY: Oh, well, yeah, right. But I'm --
MORRIS: Whenever.
HANNITY: I'm going to interview Mitt Romney in a minute, and one of the questions I'm going to ask him is about -- you know, he's changed on abortion. But I guess the bigger question I have is, that tape didn't just show up miraculously on YouTube. And I have my suspicion where it came from. A lot of people say, well, did it come in the primary from McCain or Romney or one of the other, you know, third-tier candidates?
MORRIS: I can never prove that that or the potential outing of Gingrich for the affair during Whitewater, I can't prove that it came from the Clintons, but given their track record with secret police, it's always a rebuttable presumption.
HANNITY: It really is, though. You believe -- chances are overwhelming that it was Hillary Clinton's campaign.
MORRIS: Chances are good. I mean, she --
HANNITY: Why would they go after him now? Did they not want him --
MORRIS: Because Romney --
HANNITY: -- in this general election?
MORRIS: Exactly. Romney -- because Giuliani --
HANNITY: The preferred candidate is not Rudy.
MORRIS: Giuliani is the only candidate that really could defeat Hillary.
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I changed my mind about Dick; he may well be a pathetically bitter political hack with a obsession with the Clintons for having fired him for his pension for prostitutes but, I think he should have his own show and be the sounding board for all RNC talking points.
The way I see it, the more Dick talks the more likely Democrats will get elected!!!
Happy Thoughts;
Hillary is behind everything
According to these two hacks.
INSANITY: "chances are overwhelming that it was Hillary Clinton's campaign [that posted the Giuliani video on YouTube]."
Chances are OVERWHELMING??? What the **** is that supposed to mean???
Evidence can be overwhelming. The consensus of a group of people can be overwhelming. Force can be overwhelming. Guilt or remorse can be overwhelming. A flood or an avalanche can be overwhelming ...
And now, thanks to Insanity, CHANCE, that being the absence of any cause of events that can be predicted, understood, or controlled, can also be overwhelming.
I think I'm going insane myself after having heard this.
Nevermind that Giuliani said what he said because boo hoo chances are overwhelming that Democrats might be using very smart, very effective tactics to counter Republican lies.
Go suck an egg Hannity.
These jerk-off Republican crybabies need a time out in the worst way.
In almost every accusation on Hillary by Dick Morris, he says that he can never prove any of those events but then claims that she has a track record of unproven events that he has accused her of.
Great. If I accuse Dick Morris of a different murder which I cannot prove, once a week, every week, that would prove to the Fox News audience that he is a serial killer killing 50 people per year. How can he be accused of so many murders and not have killed at least one of them?
Exactly! After all, he's got a track record of doing things you can't prove, so it stands to reason that he's committed murders that you can't prove he committed, too.
Morris sounds like a paranoid stalker: "I can't prove that it came from the Clintons, but given their track record with secret police..." Seriously, the poor guy needs help, not bookings on Fox News.
Interesting theory. A sort of Law of BS Accumulation: some quantity of fabricated stories attributed to a person becomes believable after a certain quantity of time passes, plus repetition of said claims through various media outlets.
Where have we seen this Republican trick before? Al Gore in 2000.
Randy
I equate the sound of Dick Morris's voice to that of someone scratching a blackboard with their finger nails. It is that annoying. Hannity and Morris are really reaching for things to bash Hillary about if thats all they can come up with. Of course since they said it will resonate across the right wing world as gospel. Who listens to their tripe any way?? Oh, I forgot, they are on the Faux Noise Network...
One of these jerks is SO aptly named (hint: it's not Sean),
The other is Lou Costello re-incarnated, except that Lou only played an idiot.
Good Lord. Talk about exaggeration and jumping to baseless conclusions! I have never seen such a performance by Insannity. Did he just top himself?
Do people actually watch this sh*t? I'm amazed at the stupidity.
Everybody needs reassurance that they are in the "right." Fox News was created to assure their sheep that "staying the course" on the Republican agenda (with its fearmongering and smallmindedness) is correct and should continue to be fostered. Tapping that audience has made Fox money but has coarsened and lowered the standard of accuracy and debate. But perhaps a high standard never existed.
You're exactly right. Before Fox "News", the knuckledraggers were bewildered because the News (i.e. facts) didn't back up their skewed view of the world. Some of them actually started to drift toward sanity. Then, the GOP discovered the power of propaganda. Rush Limbaugh showed them that you could keep people below a certain IQ level voting your way simply by lying to them for 15 hours a week. Following the blistering success of the Limbaugh Bullsh*t Blitz, they decided to branch off into television and that insidious cesspool of synical misinformation known as Fox "News" was born.
Ner, you'll love this. This is from an AM "news" station that plays all conservative all the time. I wrote asking why there was never a moderate or liberal program.
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Thanks for writing, Craig. On the surface, your idea makes sense -- let's have balance and diversity. However, it's kind of like the person at the rock and roll station saying, "let's give our listeners a little break, and we'll play some classical or country music this afternoon ... then after a couple of hours, we go back to rock and roll. We have done this kind of thing before many years ago. What happened is that the conservative listeners tuned out when the liberal (progressive) programming came on, and they would often forget for a number of hours (or days), to come back to the conservative programming. And, the liberal listeners would forget to tune in at all, because the programming wasn't there all day long. Sooooo, the station lost listeners, ratings and money. For years, too, we ran ABC Information News, which our listeners perceived as left-leaning. There was alway this constant complaint of ... Rush Limbaugh said such and such, and then, at the top of the hour, ABC news said just the opposite. Our listeners also perceive that ABC-TV, NBC-TV, CBS-TV, CNN, Rocky Mt. News, MSNBC, New York Times, etc., all slant left, and that Talk Radio is one of the few oases of conservative ideas. Sorry, I'm so wordy. Have a great new year! Jim TerLouw, General Manager, KNZZI like the part where Rush says it aint so , and the liberal ABC says it is so. Guess we better trust Rush to get the truth!!There you go. Give the Troglodytes what they want. News is now considered "entertainment". Our local talk station went through the same evolution. They had one token "liberal" on in the mornings, but they got so much hate male and threats of boycotts from the knuckledraggers that they finally cancelled her. Now they have a Glenn Beck sound-alike in the mornings, then Rush Limbaugh, Sean Hannity, sports, and Glenn Beck at night. There is an FM station with a similar lineup, but NO liberal talk radio in this market.
Hey, at least he was honest. Telling people what they want to hear is big, big bucks.
"Giuliani is the only candidate that really could defeat Hillary." - Morris
Oh? Like he defeated her in the 2000 NY Senate race? What a friggin moron . . .
We all know what Hannity is made of and I don't think it has anything to do with intellectual property. And to think he has the tools to be mentioned in a better light on this site and not choose to be slaved to political myopia. What a putz.
I actually think this calls for celebrations! IF Giuliani is the only candidate who can defeat Hilary then when have this election in the bag. I mean honestly, A relatively liberal republican, trying hard to reinvent himself as a conservative while drag videos float over the net, with poor moral choices in his marriage affairs, and no grand experience in politics ( a mayor for christ sakes).
IF this is the GOP's best chance, then they were destroyed more by the midterm elections than i ever before realized.
"IF this is the GOP's best chance, then they were destroyed more by the midterm elections than i ever before realized."
Lyn, it's bad to be overly confident, and a lot can happen before the election, but I tend to agree with you. The Republican Party is in disarray. It doesn't even know what or whom it represents any more. 40% of Bush's vote in 2004 were Evangelicals. But they are running away from the top Republican candidates,Giuliani and McCain, faster than you can say "Praise the Lord." The Republican field is so weak that even twice-divorced Newt Gingrich is asking forgiveness for his sexual indiscretions in anticipation of jumping in the race. McCain practically made love to Jerry Falwell to make up to him. And "liberal" Giuliani being accepted by the Evangelicals? Ha... forget it! Who's left? Brownback? Huckabee? Oh, yea... they'll do fine against Hillary Clinton or Barak Obama. Let's not get cocky... but things are looking good for 2008.
Lyn,
You seem to assume that Hilary will definetly be the Democratic nominee, now I will support her over any that what's offered on the Republican menue, but I have issues with Hilary Clinton and she definetly isn't a lock at least not for me.
Well lets keep it real and straight to the point, who said's aWOMAN can't become the one to leaded this rudeand unfaithful nation. So i speack for my people so i would like to say Hillary clinton for president in 2008
thank oooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo
If you "speack" for anyone, it's the illiterates, or those who post under the influence.
that was my impression and I vote for ' under the influence '.
MORRIS: "I can never prove that ..."
But Morris continuously credits Hillary Clinton with practically any negative revelation that comes to light about any candidate, either Republican or Democrat, his only support being a vague reference to the Clintons' (Bill and Hillary) secret "track record." In a way he has morphed Bill and Hillary Clinton into one candidate.
Apparently there is still bad blood between the Clintons and Dick Morris (Bill Clinton allegedly tried to punch Morris in 2003) dating back to when Morris was let go as Bill Clinton's political consultant right after the 2006 Democratic Convention. Morris has parlayed his hatred of the Clintons into a career, writing books critical of the Clintons and becoming the resident FOX News anti-Clinton commentator.
But some of what Morris accuses Hillary of is actually standard procedure in political campaigns, and Morris should know because Morris is a seasoned political consultant who's handled campaigns or otherwise consulted for Trent Lott, Jesse Helms, William Weld, Pete Wilson and Mike Huckabee. For example, for a candidate to "blend into the environment" where she is making a speech is a fairly standard political campaign procedure and hardly suggests the candidate is "insecure" as Morris states with certainty about Hillary Clinton.
Although Dick Morris worked in a close, confidential position with Bill Clinton, which could have given him access to inside information, his anti-Clinton tirades are unconvincing because he not only fails to provide any factual support for his accusations, but one might easily assume that some of the alleged nefarious campaign tactics and strategies of Bill Clinton (upon which Morris ascribes the same to Hillary Clinton), even if true, could just as easily been the campaign tactics and strategies devised by Dick Morris himself for Bill Clinton.
Morris depicts his former relationship with Bill Clinton as the source of his insight into Hillary Clinton's campaign tactics and strategies. But if Morris was as important a poltical consultant in the Clinton White House as he implies, isn't it just as likely that Dick Morris was the architect of the political tactics and strategies that he now denounces and accuses Hillary Clinton of?
A more valid and revealing interview with Dick Morris might be one on the topic of "Dick Morris, political consultant" rather than about Hillary Clinton. Ever hear any such probing questions from Sean Hannity directed to Morris? Ever hear Hannity demand any factual support from Morris for his anti-Clinton accusations?
FOX News is a complete JOKE... and Sean Hannity and Dick Morris are two of its biggest clowns. All they're lacking are the red noses and floppy shoes.
Poor Dick feels used. He should. He's right.
I believe it was in Hillary's bio that she reflected her objection to using Morris but understanding Bill's political insight in keeping the man on board to understand what made the right wing tick. I have little doubt that this led to Bill's ability to hoodoo Gingrich and the resulting termination from his leadership post by the wolves in his pack turning on their own. So, not only did they exploit him, not only did they fire him, but Hillary had the audacity to admit as much (in much nicer phrases) in a best seller. Motive for political homicide? I think so.
"Motive for political homicide? I think so."
And revenge is a dish best served cold...
THIS IS FOX "NEWS"
Two rightwing partisans spreading gossip they cannot prove and couching "evidence" in weasel words like "overwhelming".
They KNOW nothing, they have nothing of substance to share, they have NOTHING in the way of "news" to impart. This is 100% unadulterated PROPAGANDA for the rightwing, and it's what FOX has to offer. Lies, unfounded rumors, innuendo, and 24/7 attempts at smear and character assassination against Democrats. On its face, this is what the audience witnesses. Sheer garbage.
What else can be said?
"miraculously"
Hannity says that it did not appear "miraculously" on Youtube. What a buffone.
This just in: A conservative talking head spun something a democrat politican said and successfully made a lot of posters on MMfA really really mad.
I can see the reaction if CNN reported this as the truth, but c'mon people.
What would "I'm JFK" mean anyway? It's pretty non-sensical. I don't think there's a popular policy or figurehead attached to JFK, so saying "I'm JFK" or "I'm like JFK" doesn't make sense like saying "I'm Lincoln" or "I'm FDR" or "I'm Reagan" would.
JFK was a dynamic President whose death shocked and saddened the nation, so accusing her of equating herself to him is significant, even though it's hardly the worst thing that she's ever been accused of.
I don't understand why Hannity would have a problem with Hillary Clinton comparing herself to JFK. Although JFK remains an iconic figure in American history he probably remains more beloved among Democrats than to Republicans.
JFK remains an iconic and beloved figure more for the hope and optimisim he brought to the country at the time rather than what he actually accomplished during his brief presidency. Although Kennedy set the wheels in motion, major civil rights legislation was not passed until after his death, for example.
But JFK only won the 1960 election by a tiny margin... which some insist was purchased in Chicago by his father. Despite JFK's intense popularity among his supporters many Americans hated him. My neighbor, who is a right wing curmudgeon, once told me that he was in college (in Mississippi) and eating lunch at a local college bar when Kennedy's assassination was announced. He said there was a loud cheer that rang out through the place.
So, my point is that JFK is probably not a beloved iconic figure to many right wingers today who form Hannity's audience. Why then would Hannity have a problem with Hillary Clinton comparing herself to Kennedy? Perhaps the subtle subtext to Hannity's superficial argument suggesting that Hillary Clinton was putting herself on the same level as an American icon is that Hillary deserves the same hatred from the right wing that Kennedy did. Remember, too, that JFK was the brother of the despised (by Hannity and the right wing)Ted Kennedy. Bringing up any reference to JFK must conjure up images of Ted Kennedy to Hannity's rabidly right wing audience and make their blood boil.
So even if Hillary Clinton compared herself to JFK, which was taken conpletely out of context by Hannity, why would Hannity have a problem with that? JFK is arguably a negative figure to Hannity's audience.
Good stuff Irony.
I know he was an iconic figure, but his name isn't synonymous with a principle or figureheadness, so I still don't get why someone could be a "JFK" like they could be a "Lincoln" for example.
Unless of course the obvious happened to that someone.
Is it just me, or are Sean and dick starting to look alike?
I've never Sean Hannity in person but I once had the opportunity to see and observe Dick Morris up close (about five feet away from him)for a good thirty minutes. He is short and doughy, with a distinct effeminate manner about him. If Ann Coulter feared going into rehab if she commented about John Edwards then she should keep her mouth shut about Dick Morris. That's all I'm gonna say... ;>)
Irony, You're better than that........if Dick Morris were a beloved liberal commentator and I, or another conservative, said what you just implied by calling him "effeminate", therefore concluding he's gay.........well, let's just say I would be resoundly slammed as homophobic, and rightly so.
Tommy,
I too take exception at using the word "effeminate" as a pejorative. It implies that being feminine is a weakness. It isn't. Furthermore an effeminate man Gay or strait is still a man. I don't think manliness has anything to do with macho posturing. Just my two cents.
"calling him "effeminate", therefore concluding he's gay"
Wrong again, Tommy. I expressed a personal observation to an interested poster regarding Dick Morris' appearance. That Dick Morris has an effeminate manner about him in person was my own first-hand observation. I neither drew nor stated any conclusions about Dick Morris' sexual orientation. I could not care less about Dick Morris' sexual orientation (except maybe that toe-sucking thing, which was kinda weird).
What I did say, jokingly (that's what the winking smilely face means), was that if Ann Coulter would suggest or imply that John Edwards was gay because of Edwards' demeanor, which she apparently considers effeminate (and which I don't see) then she should avoid commenting on Dick Morris (who, in my own first-hand observation, does have an effeminate manner) because she might be tempted to make her infamous gay slur (that she previously directed to Edwards) about Dick Morris as well.
But I'm sure Ann Coulter would not direct such a slur towards a fellow right wing FOX News contributor as she did to the Democratic presidential candidate, John Edwards. A fellow FOX News contributor obviously deserves more respect, in Ann Coulter's mind, than a former U.S. Senator and Democratic presidential candidate.
To reiterate, (as long as underage children aren't involved) I really don't care if Dick Morris is gay, straight, bi-sexual, or whatever. And, in fairness to Dick Morris, I have never read or heard Morris pontificate about homosexuality or any of the political issues involved with that sexual orientation as many right wingers do. But he is fat, doughy and has an effeminate manner... I saw it. The rest is his business. Ann Coulter's comments regarding John Edwards, however, are what I do still have a problem with.
Well OK, as long as you were joking?
I just didn't think that those types of jokes were allowed, and weren't funny?.........I guess that only applies to conservatives.
Tommy, can you honestly say you have never seen Dick Morris on TV when he comes across in an annoying, almost prissy, pedantic way?
All I was saying is that when you observe him in person, and you can also see his physical demeanor, standing up and walking around, instead of just seeing him sitting behind a desk on television, that "whatever" (call it "prissy" or call it "effeminate") side is very noticable... it's amplified. I would have described his demeanor the same way even if he had been a stranger. That is simply my first-hand, physical observation of the person (except the "annoying" and "pedantic" parts, maybe... those are my opinions).
Ann Coulter, and what she might say about an opponent with Dick Morris' appearance, is another matter...
Irony,
Dick Morris' personal features and characteristics are irrelevant to me. My opinion of him has nothing to do with his "prissy" nature, if you feel that is some relevancy to you, that is your business.
I find him predictable, opportunistic, disingenuous and a phony. His obsession and hatred with anything Clinton, and his vengeful attitude where they are concerned ,renders any cogent remark he may make, suspect. He has no validity with me. His looks and demeanor are immaterial.
"His looks and demeanor are immaterial."
Then why are you so worked up about my telling how he looks in person?
Oh for crying out loud. You slammed his "prissiness" and implied his "effeminite" nature was an indicator of him being gay. Lynn also assumed the same indication if you read her post. Then you, in similar and ironic fashion to Ms Coulter, tried to "joke" your way out of it........I could care less what your opinion of Morris is. Just be honest about the double standard.
"You slammed his "prissiness" and implied his "effeminite" nature was an indicator of him being gay."
You are absolutely off your rocker, Tommy. I shared a personal observation: Dick Morris is short, fat, doughy, pasty-faced, and has an effimnate manner about him when you see him inperson. He is not an impressive physical specimen... nor is he a person whose opinions I respect. If you think it's politically incorrect to accurately describe the real-life appearance of a media personality then you have a problem... among many other problems, apparently.
I did not imply that because Dick Morris is "short and doughy, with an effiminate manner" that he was gay... but I did imply that Ann Coulter would if she applied the same dumb, hateful standard to Dick Morris that she applied to John Edwards.
I know what I said. I know what I meant. Please do not ever accuse me of dishonesty because of your own peculiar ways of looking at things and your compulsive petty contrariness. If the descriptive word "effeminate" bothers you so much perhaps you can try to have it removed from the dictionary.
All well and good. The next time you accuse anyone of being politically incorrect because they uttered a personal insult on someone you like, based on their appearance or their "prissiness", hopefully you will remember your string of defensive posts on this topic.
My problems with both Dick Morris and Ann Coulter are the way they think and what they say... and I have made that very clear in this thread and many other times. As outspoken media personalities they ridicule others... likewise, they are fair subjects for ridicule too. I know exactly how I was ridiculing each of them... apparently you didn't.
Ann Coulter and Dick Morris have in common that they are both highly visible "VOICES" for the rightwing. "Conservatives" find that their ideology AND personality is being depicted by these icons of the media.
Thus, if you are "of the Right", thy voice and face is that of Ann and Dick. As you embrace, so shall you be known. Bon appetite, wingers! They are YOUR feast, they are YOU. To the extent you rightwingers do not demand better proxies, you are getting exactly what you deserve.
A sane American would no more respect, honor, or vote for an Ann or a Dick than they would willfully poke themselves in the eye with a sharp stick. These people are turning rightwing politicians into pariahs, tarring them with their projected hatred and insanity. And I say, BRAVO!
See, if we just had freedom of speech, Anne Coulter's word could be useful for you.
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/faggy
"...as long as you were joking?"
My joke was about Ann Coulter... just to be clear on that.
As for Dick Morris I guess you consider it politically incorrect to desrcribe someone as fat, doughy and having an effeminate manner, even if that's an accurate physical description.
Tommy, don't you think there's more than a slight distinction between saying that Morris is effeminate and saying that if you wanted to talk about him you would have to use the word "f4ggot"?
Yeah, but look at the photo at the head of this article...it looks like Sean is looking into a funhouse mirror.
I've always wondered if effeminism + masculinity weren't so closely tied to gays and lesbians respectively, it would be more "accepted" as a "normal" state of being.
H: Hillary Clinton is a shrill, coniving, shape-shifting, backstabbing socialist who will stop at nothing to gain power and destroy the United States of America.
C: Do you have any evidence for that accusation?
H: Yes, there are videos posted on YouTube about Guiliani and stories "leaked" to InsightMag.com that CLEARLY come from her camp. Yet more evidence about her character.
C: What evidence do you have that she has anything to do with those?
H: Obviously she is a person who has the lack of character and integrity and "win at all costs" attitude, as the evidence of her releasing this information to the media shows.
C: What kind of person does this evidence show her to be?
(return to step 1)