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NY Times article misrepresented Gore statements on sea level, hurricanes; mis-ID'ed global warming skeptic as "rank-and-file scientist"

March 15, 2007 6:03 pm ET
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SUMMARY: In its article on global warming, The New York Times used a false comparison to suggest that Al Gore was incorrect about the rise in sea levels and baselessly suggested that Gore made a false claim about hurricanes. The Times also misidentified Don Easterbrook, calling him a "rank-and-file" scientist, when, in fact, he has expressed skeptical views about global warming that put him at odds with the scientific consensus on the issue.

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In a March 13 article, "From a Rapt Audience, a Call to Cool the Hype," New York Times science writer William J. Broad claimed that former Vice President Al Gore's portrayal of the threat of global warming in his award-winning documentary, An Inconvenient Truth (Paramount Classics, May 2006), has received criticism "not only from conservative groups and prominent skeptics of catastrophic warming, but also from rank-and-file scientists." The article began by naming Don J. Easterbrook, "an emeritus professor of geology at Western Washington University," as one of Gore's critics, whom Broad described as a "rank-and-file scientist ... who told his peers that he had no political ax to grind." In fact, Easterbrook has expressed skeptical views about global warming that put him at odds with the scientific consensus on the issue. In addition, Broad failed to note the connection between two scientists quoted in his article and the oil and gas industry, and he used a false comparison to suggest Gore was incorrect about the rise in sea levels and falsely suggested that Gore endorsed the view that global warming affects hurricane frequency.

Also, Media Matters for America has documented that scientists identified as skeptics in Broad's article -- Richard Lindzen, Bjørn Lomborg, Roy Spencer, and Benny J. Peiser -- all have made statements questioning global warming that have either been debunked or discredited by the scientific community, which Broad did not report. The night before the story appeared in print, it was trumpeted by conservative Internet gossip Matt Drudge on March 12 with the headline: "NY TIMES PLANS HIT ON GORE, NEWSROOM SOURCES TELL DRUDGE," although Drudge did not link to the story until it was posted on the Times' website.

Don J. Easterbrook

From the Times' March 13 article, which featured several quotes from Easterbrook and suggested that he is a "middle ground" scientist and not a "skeptic[] of catastrophic warming":

"I don't want to pick on Al Gore," Don J. Easterbrook, an emeritus professor of geology at Western Washington University, told hundreds of experts at the annual meeting of the Geological Society of America. "But there are a lot of inaccuracies in the statements we are seeing, and we have to temper that with real data."

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Criticisms of Mr. Gore have come not only from conservative groups and prominent skeptics of catastrophic warming, but also from rank-and-file scientists like Dr. Easterbook [sic], who told his peers that he had no political ax to grind. A few see natural variation as more central to global warming than heat-trapping gases. Many appear to occupy a middle ground in the climate debate, seeing human activity as a serious threat but challenging what they call the extremism of both skeptics and zealots.

But as Grist Magazine's weblog, Gristmill, noted, an October 12, 2006, press release, announcing a talk Easterbrook gave to the Geological Society of America claimed that "Easterbrook predicts that temperatures should cool between 2065 until 2100, and that global temperatures at the end of the century should be less than 1 degree cooler than at present." The release further noted that "Easterbrook challenges the theory that the global warming of the past century was caused by human input of carbon dioxide into the atmosphere." This view puts Easterbrook at odds with the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC), which released a report in February that found that "[c]ontinued greenhouse gas emissions at or above current rates would cause further warming," and that the "best estimate" for the "low scenario" of temperature change in the next century is a "likely range" of an increase between "1.1°C to 2.9°C."

Robert M. Carter

Broad also cited Robert M. Carter as asserting that "[n]owhere does Mr. Gore tell his audience that all of the phenomena that he describes fall within the natural range of environmental change on our planet. ... Nor does he present any evidence that climate during the 20th century departed discernibly from its historical pattern of constant change." Broad identified Carter simply as "a marine geologist at James Cook University in Australia," but he failed to note that Carter is a global warming skeptic with ties to the oil and gas, coal, and timber industries.

Carter identifies himself as a "founding member" of conservative Australian think tank Australian Environment Foundation (AEF). A June 13, 2005, article in the Australian Canberra Times reported that, upon its launch, the "Australian Environment Foundation's registered office and principal place of business is listed as right-wing lobby group, the Institute of Public Affairs (IPA)," which according to an August 9, 2003, Inter Press Service report, is funded by "mostly mining, oil, tobacco and energy companies." The IPA's funders reportedly include "Western Mining Corporation, Esso Australia (a subsidiary of Exxon Mobil), the top fifteen electricity companies - BHP, Shell, Philip Morris, British American Tobacco, Clough Engineering (and) Telstra (telecommunications company)."

Paul Reiter

Paul Reiter, director of the Insects and Infectious Diseases Unit at the Institute Pasteur, was identified as a "[b]iologist[]" and "an active skeptic of global warming's effects." The article did not report that Reiter also has extensive connections to the oil and gas industry. For instance, he is listed as a member of the "Science and Economic Advisory Council" to the Annapolis Center for Science-Based Public Policy. ExxonSecrets.org calculated that the Annapolis Center has received nearly $700,000 from Exxon Mobil since 1998, based on ExxonSecrets.org analysis, the site reports, of Exxon Mobil Corp.'s corporate documents and tax filings. The Competitive Enterprise Institute (CEI), a conservative think tank, also lists Reiter as one of the organization's "CEI Experts." As Media Matters has noted, CEI is a conservative institution largely funded by the energy industry and has received substantial funding from the fossil fuel industry, including more than $2 million from the Exxon Mobil Corp. since 1998. According to the weblog Think Progress, Exxon no longer provides funding to CEI. On March 19, 2006, The Washington Post further reported: "The Competitive Enterprise Institute, which widely publicizes its belief that the earth is not warming cataclysmically because of the burning of coal and oil, says Exxon Mobil Corp. is a 'major donor' largely as a result of its effort to push that position."

Reiter has also been published in Tech Central Station daily, which from 2000 to October 2006, was run by the Republican lobbying firm DCI, and according to the Union of Concerned Scientists (UCS), DCI is also a "registered ExxonMobil lobbying firm." UCS further reported that "Tech Central Station contributors on the global warming issue are the familiar spokespeople from ExxonMobil-funded organizations, including Sallie Baliunas, Robert Balling, David Legates, Patrick Michaels, Willie Soon, George Taylor, and others," and additionally has received at least $93,000 in funding from Exxon. According to an October 27, 2006, ABC News report, in a joint letter, Sens. Olympia Snowe (R-ME) and Jay Rockefeller (D-WV) called upon Exxon to cease funding organizations "whose public advocacy has contributed to the small but unfortunately effective climate change denial myth." In their letter, according to ABC News, "[t]he senators singled out the Competitive Enterprise Institute, a Washington think tank, and the Tech Central Station Web site as beneficiaries of Exxon's efforts to sow doubt within the public about the scientific consensus behind global warming." (For full report, please refer to the January 3 UCS press release and click on "Full Report" PDF link.)

More misinformation

In addition to not noting some scientists with skeptical views about global warming, Broad used a false comparison about sea levels to suggest that Gore's claims in his book, An Inconvenient Truth (Rodale Books, May 2006), and in his documentary, are inconsistent with the scientific community. Broad also falsely suggested that Gore was endorsing the view of some researchers that global warming increases the frequency of hurricanes.

Sea levels


The Times article set up a false comparison by stating that the IPCC report, which "estimated that the world's seas in this century would rise a maximum of 23 inches," was in contrast to Gore's claim, "citing no particular time frame" that seas would rise "up to 20 feet." But the article was comparing apples and oranges. In the book, Gore wrote that if the West Antarctic ice shelf "melted or slipped off its island mooring into the sea, it would raise sea levels worldwide by 20 feet." He added that "the West Antarctic ice shelf is virtually identical in size and mass to the Greenland ice dome, which also would raise sea levels worldwide by 20 feet if it melted or broke up and slipped into the sea" (Page 190):

The East Antarctic ice shelf is the largest ice mass on the planet and had been thought to be still increasing in size. However, two new studies in 2006 showed first that the overall volumes of ice in East Antarctica now appear to be declining, and that 85 percent of the glaciers there appear to be accelerating their flow toward the sea. Second, it showed that air temperatures measured high above this mass of ice appear to have warmed more rapidly than air temperatures anywhere else in the world. This finding was actually a surprise, and scientists have not yet been able to explain why it is occurring.

East Antarctica is still considered far more stable over long periods of time than the West Antarctic ice shelf, which is propped up against the tops of islands. This peculiar geology is important for two reasons: first, its weight is resting on land and therefore its mass has not displaced seawater as floating ice would. So if it melted or slipped off its island mooring into the sea, it would raise sea levels worldwide by 20 feet. Second, the ocean flows underneath large sections of this ice shelf, and as the ocean has warmed, scientists have documented significant and alarming structural changes on the underside of the ice shelf.

Interestingly, the West Antarctic ice shelf is virtually identical in size and mass to the Greenland ice dome, which also would raise sea levels worldwide by 20 feet if it melted or broke up and slipped into the sea.

Gore made the same claim in the film:

GORE: If [the West Antarctic ice shelf] were to go, sea level worldwide would go up 20 feet. They've measured disturbing changes on the underside of the ice sheet. It's considered relatively more stable, however, than another big body of ice that's roughly the same size -- Greenland would also raise sea level almost 20 feet if it went.

The IPCC, however, addressed rising sea levels as they are affected by "[c]ontinued greenhouse gas emissions at or above current rates." A chart projecting the rise of sea levels in six different scenarios showed that the "the best estimate for the high scenario," which defined the "likely range" of temperature increases over the next century to be from "2.4°C to 6.4°C," resulting in an increase in sea levels between 0.26 m and 0.59 m, which converts to a range of 10.24 to 23.23 inches. The IPCC further claimed that "[c]ontraction of the Greenland ice sheet is projected to continue to contribute to sea level rise after 2100" and that "[i]f a negative surface mass balance were sustained for millennia, that would lead to virtually complete elimination of the Greenland ice sheet and a resulting contribution to sea level rise of about 7 m," which is equivalent to approximately 23 feet. The apple-to-oranges comparison Broad made on sea levels was also noted by Bob Somerby on his weblog, The Daily Howler.

Hurricanes


The Times article claimed that Gore "cites research suggesting that global warming will cause both storm frequency and deadliness to rise," then reported that, in fact, "this past Atlantic season produced fewer hurricanes than forecasters predicted (five versus nine), and none that hit the United States," a fact the article suggests contradicts Gore's claim. From the article:

He pointed to hurricanes, an icon for Mr. Gore, who highlights the devastation of Hurricane Katrina and cites research suggesting that global warming will cause both storm frequency and deadliness to rise. Yet this past Atlantic season produced fewer hurricanes than forecasters predicted (five versus nine), and none that hit the United States.

But while Gore attributed the claim "that global warming is even leading to an increased frequency of hurricanes" to "some" scientists in his book, he also acknowledged "[t]here is less agreement among scientists about the relationship between the total number of hurricanes each year and global warming." From the book (Page 81):

A growing number of new scientific studies are confirming that warmer water in the top layer of the ocean can drive more convection energy to fuel more powerful hurricanes.

There is less agreement among scientists about the relationship between the total number of hurricanes each year and global warming -- because a multi-decade natural pattern has a powerful influence on hurricane frequency. But there is now a strong, new emerging consensus that global warming is indeed linked to a significant increase in both the duration and intensity of hurricanes.

Brand-new evidence is causing some scientists to assert that global warming is even leading to an increased frequency of hurricanes, overwhelming the variability in frequency long understood to be part of natural deep-current cycles.

In the update to the film Gore said: "There is no scientific consensus linking the absolute number of hurricanes to global warming." From the update:

GORE: In the year that has passed by since the end of filming An Inconvenient Truth, there have been several brand-new scientific studies that have further firmed up the emerging consensus that links stronger hurricanes with higher ocean temperatures, particularly higher temperatures in the top layer, the top 200 feet, where the heat energy drives strength into these ocean-based storms. There is no scientific consensus linking the absolute number of hurricanes to global warming. There's some indication that on a worldwide basis, the number stays fairly steady. But when hurricanes do form out of these delicate and mysterious atmospheric conditions in the oceans, then global warming makes them stronger. And, when they get stronger with more moisture, they become more destructive.

Further, the recent IPCC report appeared to agree with Gore's assessment, concluding that "[b]ased on a range of models, it is likely that future tropical cyclones (typhoons and hurricanes) will become more intense, with larger peak wind speeds and more heavy precipitation associated with ongoing increases of tropical SSTs [sea surface temperatures]." [Emphasis in original.]

From the IPCC report:

Based on a range of models, it is likely that future tropical cyclones (typhoons and hurricanes) will become more intense, with larger peak wind speeds and more heavy precipitation associated with ongoing increases of tropical SSTs. There is less confidence in projections of a global decrease in numbers of tropical cyclones. The apparent increase in the proportion of very intense storms since 1970 in some regions is much larger than simulated by current models for that period.

From the March 13 New York Times article:

Still, Dr. Hansen said, the former vice president's work may hold "imperfections" and "technical flaws." He pointed to hurricanes, an icon for Mr. Gore, who highlights the devastation of Hurricane Katrina and cites research suggesting that global warming will cause both storm frequency and deadliness to rise. Yet this past Atlantic season produced fewer hurricanes than forecasters predicted (five versus nine), and none that hit the United States.

"We need to be more careful in describing the hurricane story than he is," Dr. Hansen said of Mr. Gore. "On the other hand," Dr. Hansen said, "he has the bottom line right: most storms, at least those driven by the latent heat of vaporization, will tend to be stronger, or have the potential to be stronger, in a warmer climate."

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Some of Mr. Gore's centrist detractors point to a report last month by the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change, a United Nations body that studies global warming. The panel went further than ever before in saying that humans were the main cause of the globe's warming since 1950, part of Mr. Gore's message that few scientists dispute. But it also portrayed climate change as a slow-motion process.

It estimated that the world's seas in this century would rise a maximum of 23 inches -- down from earlier estimates. Mr. Gore, citing no particular time frame, envisions rises of up to 20 feet and depicts parts of New York, Florida and other heavily populated areas as sinking beneath the waves, implying, at least visually, that inundation is imminent.

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    • Author by neondesert (March 15, 2007 6:19 pm ET)
         

      "Sea levels could rise 20 feet!" (Gore) vs "The smoking gun will be a mushroom cloud!" (Rice) and "They want to kill you, your wife, your kids, your mother..." (Hannity)

      Gore's just giving the people what they want.

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      • Author by AmericanMutt (March 15, 2007 6:27 pm ET)
           

        well, Al is trying to give them more then that, what they need as opposed to what they want. But hey, all too many people played grabass in school and have no real clue what it involves.

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      • Author by mefirst (March 15, 2007 7:28 pm ET)
           

        the righties all want to ignore that the pacific had a very bad storm season. china, vietnam, australia, and the philipinnes all were hit by many powerful storms. but wait, that's on the other side of the globe.....oh...

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    • Author by evillib1727 (March 15, 2007 6:27 pm ET)
         

      I am a skeptic. I do KNOW that global Warming is happening. But how much of it is attributed to mankind, NOONE REALLY KNOWS!

       

      Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC), which released">[link to www.ipcc.ch] a report in February that found that "[c]ontinued greenhouse gas emissions at or above current rates would cause further warming," and that the "best estimate" for the "low scenario" of temperature change in the next century is a "likely range" of an increase between "1.1°C to 2.9°C."

       

      LOLOLOLOLOLOLOL

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      • Author by nerzog (March 15, 2007 6:33 pm ET)
           

        All I know is that Rush Limbaugh and Sean Hannity insist there is no global warming...therefore I must assume that there is.

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      • Author by lemoc (March 15, 2007 6:36 pm ET)
           

        If a DEFINITE MAYBE isn't reason enough to install a sail ontoppa your car, and throw the motor away (saves weight), then you're hopeless.  Also, it means you're a HATER of your fellow man, and the equivalent of a holocaust denier (Ellen Goodman).

        Now get on board.

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        • Author by Pragmatic Liberal (March 15, 2007 6:48 pm ET)
             

          You trolls were nowhere to be found on the other topics.  I guess even your spintronic brains couldn't come up with a sophomoric angle to enter the fray.

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          • Author by lemoc (March 16, 2007 12:32 pm ET)
               

            You said it.

            If a person is short on sophomoric comments on a given day, his comments will certainly not fit in with most posts, particularly yours.

            Furthermore, you may want to cut down on your aluminum can soda consumption.  We post on many of these threads; your cognition is obviously impaired.

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      • Author by worrierking (March 15, 2007 9:55 pm ET)
           

        A 2.9 degree Celsius rise is 37.22 degrees Fahrenheit. That would average more than one degree every three years. That would be a catastrophic increase.

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        • Author by fnord2320 (March 16, 2007 12:02 am ET)
             

          Umm...

          Just a friendly observation... if you don't know the metric system, you probably shouldn't be trying to make points based on it, because it makes you look... well, let's just say 'less than with it'.

          Here's a hint: freezing is 32º F, and 0º C. Boiling is 212º F and 100º C. That means that a difference of 100º C is equal to a difference of 180º F. Divide that by 100, and one degree Celsius is equal to 1.8 degrees Fahrenheit.

          -fred

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          • Author by open_mind (March 16, 2007 12:29 am ET)
               

            I was going to say something similar, but with a little more respect than that.  I don't know exactly what WK was referring to, but it looks like he was converting the actual temperatures from Celsius to Fahrenheit (1.8*2.9+32=37.22) instead of simply converting the raw degrees from Celsius to Fahrenheit (1.8*2.9=5.22).

            The ratio is 1.8 Deg. F to 1 Deg. C.  Therefore the low estimate temperature variability in Fahrenheit over the next century would be about 2 Deg. F to about 5.2 Deg. F according to the IPCC.

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            • Author by worrierking (March 16, 2007 1:50 pm ET)
                 

              Sorry, used an online conversion table.

              Had minor surgery yesterday and was heavily medicated. Probably should not have been posting.

              I'm all better now.

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      • Author by cajunslim (March 15, 2007 11:26 pm ET)
           

        EVIL

        I've noticed that you "laugh out loud" a lot, and from your posts I can't determine if it's just a lack of maturity on your part, or if you're not quite all there.

        Not trying to knock you really, I'm just concerned/curious.

        Take Care.

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      • Author by fnord2320 (March 16, 2007 12:09 am ET)
           

        But, oddly, I bet you were right behind the 'best intelligence we had at the time' which suggested that Iraq 'may have been' working on 'weapons-of-mass-destruction-related activites'. 'We know where they are, they're in the area around Tikrit and Baghdad and east, west, south, and north somewhat'.

        That's not to say that you're inconsistent. You were completely duped by this administration's march to war, then, and you're completely duped by the administration's determination to ignore the problem of global warming until it's too late, now. There's a very strong common thread... dupe.

        -fred

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    • Author by nerzog (March 15, 2007 6:31 pm ET)
         

      "If we leave Iraq, we'll be fighting them in the parking lot of Wal-Mart".

      "They are in the last stages, if you will, of the insurgency"

      "We will be greeted as liberators"

       

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    • Author by leatherhelmet (March 15, 2007 7:40 pm ET)
         

      Good god, what a bunch of tripe.

      MMFA claims the Easterbrook is not "rank and file" because he disagrees with global warming. HELLO. MMFA now tries to say anyone who is not a global warming lemming is not a rank and file scientist. How pathetic is that logic?

      Gore has on numerous occassions raged about increased hurricane activity -- which proved to be false. http://www.commondreams.org/views05/0912-32.htm

      Even though Gore says science is unclear about global warming and increased hurricane activity, he then claimed we are in a 20-40 year stretch of increased hurricane activity.  Yet, we had less than normal last year.

       

       

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      • Author by mefirst (March 15, 2007 7:52 pm ET)
           

        no it was within normal ranges, but it was an el nino year. that reduces hurricanes. what about the busy season in the pacific?

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      • Author by neondesert (March 15, 2007 9:12 pm ET)
           

        I have to assume, LH, that you provided that link by mistake.  Because surely nobody would, on purpose, give an example of Gore claiming more hurricanes due to global warming by linking to a speech in which he says:

        "Yes, it is true that the science does not definitively tell us that global warming increases the frequency of hurricanes - because yes, it is true there is a multi-decadal cycle, twenty to forty years that profoundly affects the number of hurricanes that come in any single hurricane season."

        That wouldn't make much sense, would it? 

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      • Author by open_mind (March 16, 2007 12:00 am ET)
           

        LH,

        You have been caught lying about Gore's statements on this before...several times.  Give it up already.  Jeesh.

        There is nothing wrong with any of Gore's statements you refer to above.  One year does not invalidate Gore's point.  No matter how hard you apparently wish it were so. 

        Get back to me in 40 years and we can discuss whether Gore's scientist sources were right or wrong about that.

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        • Author by cb (March 16, 2007 10:07 am ET)
             

          The closest example of your 40 year look into the future is the "undeniable" threat of global cooling predicted by some in the scientific community almost 40 years ago.  The funny thing is, they were saying the exact opposite of what some scientist are saying today.  The modest warming we are seeing today is part of normal weather cycles that have been occuring forever.  

          I predict, based on my 53 year observation, that in 40 years we will see similar cycles of rising and falling temperatures. That seems much more likely than the "sky is falling" routine that apparently is required at least every 40 years or so to generate revenue or rally political parties.

          I don't mean to bash anyone's religion so please don't be offended. 

           

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          • Author by MHK (March 16, 2007 11:20 am ET)
               

            Who said what now and how many years ago?

            Can you please provide a link to what your talking about?   I would love to read any articles you can find showing a concensus from the top scientists in the world in that field. 

             

             

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          • Author by open_mind (March 16, 2007 11:32 am ET)
               

            It is entirely possible that AGW theory is incorrect.  I admit  to a healthy skepticism in general and I am skeptical of some aspects of AGW.  I also recognize the potential fallibility of scientific theories.  

            I do believe that conservation and energy independence is a better way to frame the debate.  Reducing our dependence on foreign oil is a strategic and environmental priority.  It would seem wiser to focus on that common goal instead of engaging in petty bickering by non-scientists over AGW.

            My main point was simply that LH apparently loves to misrepresent Gore's argument because presumably if LH stuck to Gore's actual words, there is no argument.

            This would be a much better debate if most skeptics could argue a little more reasonably and intelligently than they do. The problem appears to be the religious fervor skeptics have in not even entertaining the thought of supposed heretical notions that AGW may indeed be true.

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            • Author by lemoc (March 16, 2007 12:39 pm ET)
                 

              OK...cool.

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            • Author by fantagor (March 16, 2007 2:23 pm ET)
                 

              Devil's Advocate

              All right, let's say there is no GW, or there is but it's just nature effing with us. Guess what, folks. That doesn't mean investing in alternative fuels is a bad idea. Do you think the oil will last forever? Do you think investing HUNDREDS of BILLIONS in conflicts in the Middle East to preserve US hegemony in a resource that will inevitably dwindle to nothing anyway is an "intelligent design"? How does emphasizing dirty, outdated technologies such as the combustion engine produce a positive outcome in terms of future pollution potential? Since when did innovation become a four-letter word? Seems to me that logic dictates that even if the present GW theories are totally wrong, there is a bastion of good in pursuing alternative/renewable fuels and cleaner means of transportation.

              Randy

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              • Author by lemoc (March 16, 2007 4:16 pm ET)
                   

                Can't argue with that general concept.  The GW debate at least brings discussion of alternatives to the fore.  Let's develop 'em.

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              • Author by open_mind (March 18, 2007 2:03 am ET)
                   

                I agree 100%.  I wish the debate would be framed better than it is.  The current framing is IMO designed to be polarizing.  There is much room for consensus on this. 

                The polarization is largely driven by special interests, who do not want skeptics and supporters of AGW to find the smallest amount of common ground for action.  Common ground action would likely hurt a few wealthy and influential special interests that benefit immensely by the current system of consumption.

                We need some leaders that can encourage compromise and agreement on the issue and see through the smokescreen.

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          • Author by AmericanMutt (March 16, 2007 11:51 am ET)
               

            I beleive he is refering to a 40 year old newsweek article written by a non-scientist trying to sensationalize in order to sell more copies. In other words, he is off-topic and providing false 'data' in order to lie.

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            • Author by lemoc (March 16, 2007 1:04 pm ET)
                 

              Or maybe to Paul Erlich (Stanford Prof.), who popularized the notion of global cooling as much as anybody in those days.

              His other predictions:  Oceans dead from DDT by 1979.  Cataclysmic smog crises killing 200,000 in NY and LA circa 1973.  U.S. life expectancy dropping to 42 years by 1980 due to pesticides.  U.S. population declining to 22.6 million by 1999.

              Erlich and Co. can take credit for a pronounced acceleration of membership in "environmental" organizations beginning in the late 60's, along w/scaremongers such as Rachel Carson.

              Erlich is a scientist.  How could his predictions/theories be so wrong?  His National Enquirer-grade stuff sold like hotcakes then, and the same stuff sells equally well now.

                                          

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              • Author by PKD (March 16, 2007 7:08 pm ET)
                   

                Erlich is a scientist.  How could his predictions/theories be so wrong?  ++++++++++++++++++

                Because Erlich is a biologist who not an expert in metereology. He work on this global cooling never got peer-review. He wrote a book.

                Just an analogy, Authur B. Robinson is a scientist too. How much credibility he has for his Oregon Petition?http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Oregon_Institute_of_Science_and_Medicine

                First, scientists are not jack of all trades. They are experts in particular and specific areas of science. Just because someone is a good in physics, that does not he is going to be right in chemistry. Sometimes they are right, something they were wrong. Even Steven Hawkins was wrong about the radiation from black holes.

                Secondly, scientific community has a procedure for accepting a theory as hypothesis. It has to go through peer-reviews. If some scientists wrote a book, or put a petition in website, that does not mean they are correct.

                 

                 

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                • Author by lemoc (March 16, 2007 7:14 pm ET)
                     

                  Thanks.  You made my point.

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                  • Author by mefirst (March 16, 2007 7:33 pm ET)
                       

                    no, he refuted yours. you offered one scientist as proof of what all of them think. we're saying don't look at one, look at the overwhelming consensus.

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                    • Author by lemoc (March 18, 2007 3:01 am ET)
                         

                      I'm quoting one of the enviro- evangelists  that got most of you (whether you realize it or not) on board.  Lotta hype for impressionable minds.

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                      • Author by mefirst (March 18, 2007 7:52 am ET)
                           

                        the "lotta hype" is yours. the question being discussed is whether he represented any type of scientific consensus. he did not. your "point", therefore, is deader than a doornail.

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                  • Author by PKD (March 16, 2007 7:50 pm ET)
                       

                    So I assume you agree with me and your earlier post was a "miscommunication".

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      • Author by cajunslim (March 16, 2007 11:11 am ET)
           

        LEATHER

        This is the actual quote you are referring to from the article above:

        "The article began by naming Don J. Easterbrook, "an emeritus professor of geology at Western Washington University," as one of Gore's critics, whom Broad described as a "rank-and-file scientist ... who told his peers that he had no political ax to grind." In fact, Easterbrook has expressed skeptical views about global warming that put him at odds with the scientific consensus on the issue."

        Notice the phrase - "PUT HIM AT ODDS WITH THE SCIENTIFIC CONSENSUS ON THE ISSUE". And yes, there is scientific consensus on this issue.

        Also, just because the hurricane activity was less than predicted last year doesn't in any way negate the FACT that we are in a 20-40 year stretch of increased hurricane activity.

        So, it appears that YOUR POST is the real TRIPE on this page.

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    • Author by nukeboot (March 16, 2007 7:32 am ET)
         

      I just have to laugh at the right's approach to science.

      It was really cold yesterday in Buffalo, so that means Global Warming is bunk. There were less deadly hurricanes last year than the previous year. That must be enough of a sample size from which to draw a conclusion.

      I just hope some of these folks aren't practicing medicine on anyone.  

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      • Author by nerzog (March 16, 2007 10:48 am ET)
           

        Well, you have to keep in mind that a lot of these people believe that the dinosaurs all died because they refused to get on Noah's Ark.  

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      • Author by Pithaughn (March 16, 2007 11:09 am ET)
           

        Yes, and "many" scientists know that nicotine does not cause cancer nor is it addictive. And and lead in gasoline does not adversely affect the health of children growing up in smoggy metropolitan areas. Those clusters of mental disorders are just a coincedence.

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        • Author by Pithaughn (March 16, 2007 11:15 am ET)
             

          And of course my all time favorite, there is a table from China, circa 1000BC that clearly shows a dinosaur and a man in the same mosaic, thus providing proof that the earth is young, there is no evolution and god is the boss of everything. So there.

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          • Author by lemoc (March 16, 2007 1:20 pm ET)
               

            C'mon...you guys actually are Dan Akroyd and his buds, standing in a circle with your arms around each other (cigars and cigarettes ablaze, talkin' 'bout them broads) on their show called "Women's Problems", aren'tcha?  You couldn't do this if you were'nt the same guys.

            OK, it's just an uncanny resemblance.  Equal amounts of integrity and scholarship.

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            • Author by lemoc (March 16, 2007 1:30 pm ET)
                 

              And with (count 'em) THREE Popes overseeing YOUR religious faith (Gore, Carl Pope, and  Erlich), it should have a good run while its fables are still bought by people like yourselves (check Erlich's Fables in my post above). 

              Remember, YOU have SCIENTIFIC minds, like Erlich.

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              • Author by rusty shackleford (March 16, 2007 5:44 pm ET)
                   

                You found a single scientist who was wrong about some things, therefore science can never be valid?

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                • Author by lemoc (March 16, 2007 6:25 pm ET)
                     

                  Merely demonstrating that one of the founders of "environmentalism" led a throng of gullible people (maybe they were just drugged) down several laughable paths. Wearing a white coat means diddly, especially when the title of Scientist is so readily whored for a political agenda.

                  Historically, scientists had to be brave enough to face a consensus that would shout them down.  Now, the science "consensus" shouts down scientists who have  non-consensus hypotheses.

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                  • Author by PKD (March 16, 2007 6:45 pm ET)
                       

                    Could you show me a single credible non-consensus hypothesis?

                     

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                    • Author by lemoc (March 16, 2007 6:50 pm ET)
                         

                      The earth is a sphere.

                      GET IT?

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                      • Author by PKD (March 16, 2007 7:20 pm ET)
                           

                        The theories behind spherical earth was based on observations on other celestial bodies in universe. It was strong scientific theory based on observation, even though it was not a consensus at that time. On the other hand, there was no theory of flat earth. That time people believed that earth was flat (it was just a belief).

                         Sceintists who deny GW has no established theory to refute GW. So there is no question of consensus.

                         

                         

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                        • Author by lemoc (March 16, 2007 7:29 pm ET)
                             

                          AGW, friend, AGW.  The AGW crowd dutifully refers to a "consensus" in the scientific community re: AGW.  Scientists who decline to conform are shouted down and burnt at the stake as heretics.

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                          • Author by mefirst (March 16, 2007 7:41 pm ET)
                               

                            there is a consensus. others can disagree, but they have to make a case. and the burnings at the stake came from the non-science types.

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                          • Author by PKD (March 16, 2007 7:52 pm ET)
                               

                            Scientists who decline to conform are shouted down and burnt at the stake as heretics.

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                            I repeat again: give me an example of honest scientist who was "shouted down and burnt" all though he/she qualifies with followings:

                            1. He/she is expert is this subject. 

                            2. He/she put forward a honest and credible theory to refute AGW.

                            3. He/she does not have his own agenda to refute AGW (i.e. does not have cozy relationship energy industry).

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    • Author by erikvilius.blogspot.com (March 16, 2007 6:53 pm ET)
         

      Just another example of right-wing junk science. 20 years ago industry paid guns claimed that there was no association between smoking and cancer. This is the same monkey crap. 

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      • Author by lemoc (March 16, 2007 7:23 pm ET)
           

        And you found out LATER it wasn't true?  Do you actually KNOW somebody that bought that line? 

        Rogaine doesn't grow hair on most bald heads.  Gosh, those poor victims.  

        Outlaw advertising.  We believe everything they say, and find out later it's not true.

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        • Author by mefirst (March 16, 2007 7:44 pm ET)
             

          well, we do know somebody who's buying the industry propaganda line now. hint, look  in the mirror.

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    • Author by erikvilius.blogspot.com (March 16, 2007 7:17 pm ET)
         

      Ehrlich was a maverick who was wrong. He never did have any consensus in the scientific community. The scientists who suffer today are the ones afraid to lose the big buck offers from the corporate world. Much easier to side with the Business Roundtable than speak truth to power. 

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      • Author by lemoc (March 16, 2007 7:39 pm ET)
           

        Your "consensus" scientists make a fine living w/funds coming from somewhere...must not have any integrity--they take $$$.  Big Oil donates to universities bigtime, too.  Therefore, don't trust anything coming out of a university????

        Check under your bed before you turn out the lights tonight--some kinda eee-villll capitalist monster may be hiding there.

         

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        • Author by PKD (March 16, 2007 8:02 pm ET)
             

          I don't think you got the point. Funding is not a problem. The problem is working as a crook for the organization that funds. Of course every scientist gets funds from somewhere. The the test of integrity is not pushing the funding org's agenda.

           

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          • Author by mefirst (March 18, 2007 1:14 pm ET)
               

            you had the recent american enterprise institute's offer of $10,000 plus expenses and travel to any scientist who would dispute the findings of the recent u. n. global warming report. but no way do they have an agenda.

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    • Author by nixau (March 17, 2007 11:51 am ET)
         

      Look at LA, the air stinks and you can taste it, and that mess is thrown into the atmosphere every day, and that process is repeated in thousands of cities.  It coats plants and inhibits their growth. It creeps up to Sequoia Nat Park and kills trees. It's not just CO2 but NOX and other nasty pollutants that are harming the earth. The skeptics say it would be catastrophic to do something about pollution, so who is hysterical? I can smell the pollution, see the earlier springs and droughts and floods the scientists predict, and it seems prudent to take action.

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