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Russert allowed Perle to cherry-pick 2002 speech to suggest that Gore supported Iraq invasion

March 20, 2007 12:54 pm ET

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SUMMARY: Tim Russert allowed Richard Perle to selectively quote from a 2002 speech in which Al Gore said Saddam Hussein possessed hidden stockpiles of "chemical and biological weapons" and that Saddam's "search for weapons of mass destruction has proven impossible to completely deter." Perle cited the speech to support his claim that it was a "widely accepted" view prior to the Iraq war that Saddam posed "an intolerable threat." But in the speech, Gore nonetheless vocally opposed the invasion of Iraq.

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On the March 18 broadcast of NBC's Meet the Press, host and NBC News Washington bureau chief Tim Russert allowed American Enterprise Institute resident fellow Richard Perle to selectively quote from a September 2002 speech in which former Vice President Al Gore asserted that Saddam Hussein had "stored secret supplies of biological and chemical weapons throughout" Iraq and that his "search for weapons of mass destruction has proven impossible to completely deter." Perle cited the speech to support his claim that it was a "widely accepted" view prior to the Iraq war that Saddam posed "an intolerable threat." But Russert did not challenge Perle by pointing out that Gore nonetheless vocally opposed the invasion of Iraq -- including in the speech from which Perle quoted.

During a roundtable discussion on the Iraq war, Perle argued that it was a "widely accepted view" prior to the U.S. invasion that Saddam "posed a threat that had to be dealt with." He went on to cite statements from Gore and Sen. Carl Levin (D-MI) as evidence that this was not simply "a Republican view." Perle first quoted Levin's December 16, 2001, statement that "[t]he war against terrorism will not be finished as long as Saddam Hussein is in power." When Russert pointed out that Levin had voted against the war, Perle purported to quote from Gore's September 23, 2002, speech: "We know that Saddam has stored secret supplies of biological and chemical weapons throughout the country. Iraq's search for weapons of mass destruction has proven impossible to deter, and we should assume that it will continue for as long as Saddam is in power."

But in this case, Russert did not note that Gore strongly opposed the Bush administration's decision to invade Iraq. In fact, Gore's opposition to the war is apparent from the 2002 speech in question, during which he stated that the "aftermath" of a successful invasion of Iraq "could easily" make the United States less safe. In addition, while Perle presented Gore as saying that "Iraq's search for weapons of mass destruction has proven impossible to deter," Gore actually said that Saddam's quest for WMD had "proven impossible to completely deter" [emphasis added] -- suggesting that Saddam had been substantially deterred by earlier international cooperation.

From Gore's September 23, 2002, speech at the Commonwealth Club of California:

I'm speaking today in an effort to recommend a specific course of action for our country, which I sincerely believe would be better for our country than the policy that is now being pursued by President Bush. Specifically, I am deeply concerned that the course of action that we are presently embarking upon with respect to Iraq has the potential to seriously damage our ability to win the war against terrorism and to weaken our ability to lead the world in this new century.

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Nevertheless, all Americans should acknowledge that Iraq does indeed pose a serious threat to the stability of the Persian Gulf region, and we should be about the business of organizing an international coalition to eliminate his [Saddam's] access to weapons of mass destruction. Iraq's search for weapons of mass destruction has proven impossible to completely deter, and we should assume that it will continue for as long as Saddam is in power. Now, let's be clear, there's no international law that can prevent the United States from taking action to protect our vital interests when it is manifestly clear that there is a choice to be made between law and our survival. Indeed, international law itself recognizes that such choices stay within the purview of all nations. I believe, however, that such a choice is not presented in the case of Iraq. Indeed, should we decide to proceed, our action can be justified within the framework of international law rather than requiring us to go outside the framework of international law. In fact, even though a new United Nations resolution might be helpful in the effort to forge an international consensus, I think it's abundantly clear that the existing U.N. resolutions passed 11 years ago are completely sufficient from a legal standpoint so long as it is clear that Saddam Hussein is in breach of the agreements made at the conclusion of the Persian Gulf War.

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Here's another of the main points I want to make. If we quickly succeed in a war against the weakened and depleted fourth-rate military of Iraq and then quickly abandon that nation, as President Bush has quickly abandoned almost all of Afghanistan after quickly defeating a fifth-rate military power there, then the resulting chaos in the aftermath of a military victory in Iraq could easily pose a far greater danger to the United States than we presently face from Saddam. Here's why I say that; we know that he has stored away secret supplies of biological weapons and chemical weapons throughout his country. As yet, we have no evidence, however, that he has shared any of those weapons with terrorist groups. If the administration has evidence that he has, please present it, because that would change the way we all look at this thing. But if Iraq came to resemble Afghanistan, in its current depleted state, with no central authority -- well, they have a central authority, but their central authority, because the administration's insistence that the international community not be allowed to assemble a peace keeping force large enough to pacify the countryside, that new government in Afghanistan controls a few precincts in one city and the warlords or drug lords control the whole rest of the countryside. What if in the aftermath of a war against Iraq, we face a situation like that because we washed our hands of it? What would then happen to all of those stored reserves of biological weapons all around the country? What if the Al Qaeda members infiltrated across the borders of Iraq the way they are in Afghanistan? Then the question wouldn't be, Is Saddam Hussein going to share these weapons with the terrorist group? The terrorist groups would have an enhanced ability to just walk in there and get them.

Perle also omitted the context of Levin's 2001 quote, which undermines Perle's contention that it was widely accepted that Saddam Hussein "posed a threat that had to be dealt with." Levin, appearing on the December 16, 2001, edition of CNN's Late Edition, did say that "[t]he war against terrorism will not be finished as long as he is in power," referring to Saddam. But as a November 16, 2005, Financial Times article noted, Levin then expressly said that "that does not mean [Saddam] is the next target," and that a decision on invading Iraq depends on the "facts," including "whether or not Saddam is getting a weapon of mass destruction and is close to it." Perle's cherry-picking of Levin's statement mirrors that of President Bush, who has selectively quoted Levin for the same purpose. Indeed, in a November 14, 2005, speech, Bush stated that "[a]nother senior Democrat [sic] leader said, 'The war against terrorism will not be finished as long as Saddam Hussein is in power.' "

From Levin's December 16, 2001, appearance on CNN's Late Edition, with host Wolf Blitzer and Sens. Jon Kyl (R-AZ) and Joseph I. Lieberman (I-CT):

BLITZER: And very briefly, Senator Kyl, your colleague, Joe Lieberman, minced no words earlier today on one of the Sunday morning programs when he specifically said that the next target indeed has to be Saddam Hussein. Listen to what he had to say.

LIEBERMAN [video clip]: The fact is that the war against terrorism cannot end before Saddam Hussein is out of power in Iraq, because he is the world's most powerful terrorist.

BLITZER: Do you agree with Senator Lieberman, Senator Kyl?

KYL: Yes. Whether he's the next target or not, we can't finish this war without having dealt with him, that's correct.

BLITZER: What about that, Senator Levin?

LEVIN: I agree, but exactly the way Senator Kyl put it. The war against terrorism will not be finished as long as he is in power. But that does not mean he is the next target.

And the commitment to do that, it seems to me, could be disruptive of our alliance that still has work to do in Afghanistan. And a lot will depend on what the facts are in various places as to what terrorist groups are doing, and as to whether or not we have facts as to whether or not the Iraqis have been involved in the terrorist attack of September 11, or whether or not Saddam is getting a weapon of mass destruction and is close to it. So facts will determine what our next targets are.

From the March 18 broadcast of NBC's Meet the Press:

RUSSERT: In fact, you were quoted as saying if you were Delphic that you probably would not have gone into Iraq?

PERLE: Well, no. I think -- I think Saddam Hussein posed a threat that had to be dealt with, and I think the decision to remove him was a correct decision. I think there were lots of things subsequent to his removal that might well have been -- should have been done differently. But the fact is he posed a threat.

Let me quote -- I don't usually quote Senator Carl Levin, chairman of the Armed Services Committee, but on this occasion I will. These are his words: "The war against terrorism will not be finished as long as Saddam Hussein is in power."

This was not an eccentric view. This was certainly not a Republican view. It was a widely accepted view among --

RUSSERT: But he did vote against the war.

PERLE: This was his view of it.

Remember Vice President Gore? I'm quoting him: "We know that Saddam has stored secret supplies of biological and chemical weapons throughout the country. Iraq's search for weapons of mass destruction has proven impossible to deter, and we should assume that it will continue for as long as Saddam is in power."

Tim, we went into Iraq to defend this country against the threat that, after 9/11, we understood to be an intolerable threat. That is that Saddam Hussein, with a history of weapons of mass destruction, with known ties to terrorists, might use that weapons capability by placing it in the hand of terrorists. We were right to take that threat seriously. Now we find we're in a difficult situation, and it makes no sense to abandon this fight without giving the new strategy a chance to succeed. It's accepting defeat unnecessarily, and it will be a catastrophe in the continuing war against terrorists who want to destroy us.

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    • Author by RobertSeattle (March 20, 2007 1:00 pm ET)
         

      The NeoCons are the best paid Cherry Pickers ever.

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      • Author by HuntingtonBeachLefty (March 20, 2007 1:05 pm ET)
           

        I'll give Russert half credit here- He actually at least points out Perle's tricks in a couple spots, but lets Perle weasel away and on to the next distraction.

        Follow up. How tough is that?

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      • Author by mefirst (March 20, 2007 7:08 pm ET)
           

        there is one issue that is constantly ignored. that's the fact that the whole purpose of the use of force vote was to get the u. n. inspectors back in iraq. we did that but it was bush that forced their removal. they were going to the sites we gave them, as rummy said we know he has wmd because we know where they are, but they found nothing.

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    • Author by nerzog (March 20, 2007 1:03 pm ET)
         

      Yes, indeed.  Thanks to Puddinhead George's brilliance, we've replaced a centralized, though admittedly brutal dictatorship with a weak, puppet government presiding over chaos.  Iraq has become the breeding ground for terrorism that the NeoClowns claimed to fear most.  We will never "win" the war agains terrorism by invading countries.

      We're there for the oil, and the massive profits generated by supplying weapons for an endless war.

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      • Author by HuntingtonBeachLefty (March 20, 2007 1:07 pm ET)
           

        Look down there, Nerzog- you dropped your Saddam Hussein Fan Club membership card. ;oO

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        • Author by nerzog (March 20, 2007 1:15 pm ET)
             

          No, can't be mine...I keep it safely attached to my belt with my Osama Bin Laden keychain.

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    • Author by tommy (March 20, 2007 1:08 pm ET)
         

      What good does anything of this back and forth do now?  All this "he said this then...." and "she voted for it....." is basically just political posturing.  Those supporting Bush now do it to justify his miserable war plan and deflect responsibility away from him.  Those opposing the war now, but voted or supported removing Saddam then, are positioning to distance themselves from a failing effort in Iraq. 

      We need to stop the selective hindsight games that these politicians and pundits are playing and basically let the Iraqi government know that we are headed home, fast.  And secure our borders, airports and ports far better than we do now.

       

       

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      • Author by nerzog (March 20, 2007 1:11 pm ET)
           

        Tommy, I'm inclined to agree.  I would only add that we need to immediately impeach Bush and Cheney for lying us into this fool's errand.

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        • Author by solon (March 20, 2007 5:36 pm ET)
             

          Bingo, followed by sending them to the Hague to stand trial for the Supreme War Crime.

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      • Author by AmericanMutt (March 20, 2007 1:26 pm ET)
           

        I guess what good it does is to highlight just how dishonest and dispicable the right has allowed itself to become. To consider it not doing good to point out lies and other fallacies promoted by these politcal hacks is silly on it's face, and if one looks deeper the motives revealed are much baser.

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        • Author by tommy (March 20, 2007 1:32 pm ET)
             

          What is equally despicable is how some lawmakers on the left, who voted to give Bush authorization to invade Iraq, now want to worm out of their vote by saying they were lied to, or misled, or some such other excuse for them not taking responsbility for a vote of such importance and magnitude - as sending our troops off to war.

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          • Author by nerzog (March 20, 2007 1:40 pm ET)
               

            Two points.  (1)They were lied to...(2)They should have looked at the evidence a little more carefully and asked tougher questions.

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          • Author by solon (March 20, 2007 5:38 pm ET)
               

            Well yes and no. They WERE lied to. On the other hand I knew better so why didnt they. I agree they are weaseling, that doesnt change the fact they WERE lied to.

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            • Author by tommy (March 20, 2007 6:10 pm ET)
                 

              It's irrelevant whether they were lied to or not.  They are lawmakers who have been entrusted with decisions and votes of this magnitude all the time. 

              If you were serving in Iraq right now, or had a limb blown off or a loved one lost, would you accept such a ninny excuse as that from a Congressperson?........."Oh, sorry, I was too damn lazy to do my own research before voting to put us at war with another country that wants to kill you and your fellow soldiers - it wasn't my fault, really!"

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              • Author by solon (March 20, 2007 6:20 pm ET)
                   

                Well I wouldnt go so far as to say its IRRELEVANT they were lied to. Congress can expect basic honesty from an administration, but I agree they are weaseling. As I said it wasnt that hard to see through the lies. Basically I agree with you. I am not giving Congress a pass. On the other hand saying its irrelevant they were lied to is giving the administration a pass for lying, I am not going to do that either. They ought to cowboy up and take responsibility for being wrong

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      • Author by ChristianDemocrat (March 20, 2007 1:31 pm ET)
           

        I largely agree, e.g., with respect to Sen. Clinton.  However, I have some respect for those that have also admitted that their vote was a mistake, e.g., Edwards.  That appears to be recognition of the flawed process - i.e., Congress' abdication of responsibility - that preceeded the invasion.

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        • Author by tommy (March 20, 2007 1:34 pm ET)
             

          I agree.  I have no problem if they say they made a mistake.  That is honest and commendable.  It's those that won't take resonsibility for it that don't are being dishonest.

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          • Author by neondesert (March 20, 2007 4:04 pm ET)
               

            Don't back off your original point Tommy.  I'm with you.  I think it was horrendous that congress sluffed off their responsibility by giving the president the power to invade.  Despite the facts, intel, etc., the power of congress to decide as a body whether or not to use military force is as supreme a responsibility as a government can hold, the power to decide life or death.  Bad enough that they gave that power away, even worse that they gave it to one man.  Every one of them that voted to do it should be gone from public service.

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            • Author by tommy (March 20, 2007 4:24 pm ET)
                 

              Neon,

              I wasn't backing off my original post at all - I was simply clarifying it.  Those that voted for the authorization then, and now say it was a mistake, at least are being honest.  They aren't blaming someone else for their vote.  They are entrusted with making life and death decisions all the time, for anyone to vote for authorization without demanding all the relevant information be available to them are being derelict in their duty as our representatives.....if that is the case with some of them.  

              I don't give them a pass on sloppiness.  But people make mistakes and should own up to them.......and act responsibly by not repeating them, and rectifying them if at all possible.

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              • Author by neondesert (March 20, 2007 6:19 pm ET)
                   

                I can understand letting people off who make mistakes, we all make the occasional blunder.  Voting to give Bush discretion to use the military as he saw fit was an abdication of responsibility for political expediency, and can hardly be shrugged off as an error.  I'd be willing to give points for honesty to those who admitted their error, but they're not admitting a wrong decision.  They're placing the blame on being misled, trying to play the magnanimous victim who says "I blame myself" after being scammed by a con artist.  This was a con that they could possibly have avoided if they'd just retained their responsibility.

                We don't need people in office who make mistakes that cost thousands lives, billions of dollars, and jeopardize our country's future security.

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          • Author by open_mind (March 20, 2007 4:17 pm ET)
               

            I agree with much of what you said.  I think the Democrats who voted to give authorization were largely cowards who at best, did not do their homework.  The Russians were shown the very same intelligence that Congress saw and were completely unmoved by it.  Vladimir Putin made this statement on a trip to Britain, the very same day the Iraq War Resolution was passed:

            "Russia does not have in its possession any trustworthy data that supports the existence of nuclear weapons or any weapons of mass destruction in Iraq and we have not received any such information from our partners as yet. This fact has also been supported by the information sent by the CIA to the US Congress." --Vladimir Putin October 11, 2002

            The vote was scheduled by Republicans right before November elections.  Democrats should have done the right thing to vote against the resolution even at the almost certain cost of re-election.  Many were apparently too frightened/cowed to challenge the administration at the time when the country was still pretty raw from 9-11 and the President still held astronomically high approval ratings.

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            • Author by nerzog (March 20, 2007 4:33 pm ET)
                 

              Non of this should be construed to let the Bush administration off the hook.   They manipulated the intelligence, and exploited the fear and hyper-patriotism that infected most of the country after 9-11.  Yes, Congress acted in a cowardly fashion, but the Bush Junta and their propaganda mouthpieces were complicit in a monumental fraud.  They should be called to account for it.

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              • Author by open_mind (March 20, 2007 5:38 pm ET)
                   

                Oh. Don't get me wrong.  I agree with you that the Bush administration completely duped Congress.  The war was marketed to the American public in a completely dishonest way.  The people in the administration responsible should be imprisoned for many, many years. 

                I am just saying there is also a responsibility for Congress to get it right and see through the administration's line.  They obviously failed us miserably on that IMO due to cowardice, ignorance or both.

                I personally will not support any Dem candidate who was not smart enough or brave enough to stand up to the administration.  We don't elect sheep. (Or at least we shouldn't).  I am glad Gore didn't cave in and took what can only really be described as a brave stand against the war when it was hugely popular to do the opposite.

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            • Author by Pithaughn (March 20, 2007 4:44 pm ET)
                 

              Let's not forget that we did not know at the time what low levels of partsian ship the Bush Inc. would go. Compare how we are now examining the "intelligence" about Iran with a much more jaundiced eye. At the time, I assumed that with the education, experiance and responsibility that Condi and Powell had, that invasion was the best option in their opinion. I fell for "if you knew what we know" justification for going to war.

              Amusing is'nt it? At the time it would "compromise intelligence assests" if the secrets were revealed, but it's ok to out a CIA covert business front to discredit a political opponent.

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              • Author by nerzog (March 20, 2007 4:54 pm ET)
                   

                Condi is obviously willing to lie for Puddinhead George...Colin Powell may be a different story.  I still like to give him the benefit of the doubt, though he may also be a liar.  At least he had the integrity to resign.  Perhaps he will write a tell-all book once Puddinhead is out of office...or maybe he's just too loyal to Pappy for his own good.  Who knows?

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      • Author by Vondarrien (March 20, 2007 4:13 pm ET)
           

        Those supporting Bush now do it to justify his miserable war plan and deflect responsibility away from him.  Those opposing the war now, but voted or supported removing Saddam then, are positioning to distance themselves from a failing effort in Iraq. 

        But Al Gore, like Barack Obama, doesn't fall into either category.

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        • Author by solon (March 20, 2007 5:41 pm ET)
             

          Dont forget Kucinich, a man out front against this war from day one.

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    • Author by nerzog (March 20, 2007 1:09 pm ET)
         

      Any minute now, some Bush apologist will come on here and point to the recent use of Chlorine by the insurgents as "proof" that there really were WMDs in Iraq.

      Here it comes... 

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      • Author by wolf kotenberg (March 20, 2007 1:30 pm ET)
           

        You beat me to it. WMD 101. the beginning.

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      • Author by solon (March 20, 2007 5:43 pm ET)
           

        Or remind us we found Mr Clean in Iraqi stores which COULD under some circumstances be used as a WMD.

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    • Author by walstib (March 20, 2007 1:26 pm ET)
         

      Come on guys.  Why all the fuss? 

      It's all Clinton's fault anyways...

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      • Author by DorisRussell (March 20, 2007 1:31 pm ET)
           

        Exactly, when they can not run on their record, they bring the best President this country has ever seen in Clinton into their smears and lies. 

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    • Author by draftedin68 (March 20, 2007 1:31 pm ET)
         

       

      Insert NAME OF COUNTRY here...

      Reading what Perle told Timmy: "...we went into Iraq to defend this country against the threat that, after 9/11, we understood to be an intolerable threat.", I guess we all need to be thankful that Dubbya and The Dipshcits stopped at just one country.

      That is, just one so far.

       

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      • Author by redking75687 (March 20, 2007 2:11 pm ET)
           

        Perle's an Isreali agent. He was busted in the 1970's giving secrets to Israel. He was a high man in the AIPAC organization and was prominent in the PNAC. His job in the USA is to get our government to kill arabs for Israel. Looks like he succeeded.

        Another example of Israeli control over US foreign policy. Perle should be in prison for war crimes, treason, and subverting our government for a foreign power. Instead he's on a talk show defending mass murder. Only in America.

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        • Author by draftedin68 (March 20, 2007 3:24 pm ET)
             

           

          I hear you.

          I am saddened by the fact that any criticism of Israel and their influence is immediately seized on as anti-Semitic. 

          I have long believed that any action by our government that has a chance of harming (even killing) Muslim Arabs or damaging their countries or their interests is blindly supported by Lieberman and his ilk.

          Like Duhhbya, some of his advisors and others in our government, there are far too many people that can't seem to separate their religion from their service to our country.

           

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          • Author by Pithaughn (March 20, 2007 4:49 pm ET)
               

            Drafted, thankyou for your military service.

            Here's my idea for supporting Israel. Israel is a bad neighbour and we are the enablers. We should tell Israel that we are freezing our aid and support at O6 levels. Starting in 08, with no adjusting for inflation, aid and support will be cut by 10% per year. That should give them plenty of time to learn how to get along in the neighborhood.

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    • Author by rusty shackleford (March 20, 2007 1:35 pm ET)
         

      Perle?  Seriously?  There are quarters in which he still has credence?

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      • Author by nerzog (March 20, 2007 1:51 pm ET)
           

        I would put him and Tom Delay at about the same level on the"credibility scale".  I thought they were pathetically condescending as they puked up their tired talking points.  I think somebody forgot to tell them that they don't control everything any more.

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        • Author by rusty shackleford (March 20, 2007 2:10 pm ET)
             

          Was Perle the "bleeping stupidest guy on the planet" or was that Feith?  It's hard to keep the neocon losers straight.

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          • Author by HuntingtonBeachLefty (March 20, 2007 2:25 pm ET)
               

            They're not that petty or competetive, Rusty. I believe they,ve combined their brains and agreed to share the title.

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    • Author by foghornleghorn (March 20, 2007 3:19 pm ET)
         

      When I tuned in Sunday I almost puked in my Wheaties.  Perle AND Delay?  Weren't these two clowns universally discredited long ago?

      Why isn't Delay in prison and Perle in a retirement home?

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      • Author by HuntingtonBeachLefty (March 20, 2007 3:26 pm ET)
           

        Yeah, Meet the Press is really turning into "Open Mic Night" at the nightclub in the low rent neighborhood.

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    • Author by candelman43976 (March 20, 2007 8:38 pm ET)
         

      Why can't anyone on these shows look down these  gutless neo con clowns on air and tell them they have blood on their hands.  Perle, Kristol, Wolfowitz,  and the rest of their ilk keep justifying the biggest blunder in American history.   They really need a verbal slap down, but alas hosts like Russert rarely deliver it.  These guys wouldn't last one minute with your average BBC correspondent.

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    • Author by oscar the grouch (March 20, 2007 9:09 pm ET)
         

      Of course Mr Chamberlain, oops Gore, was against military action against Madman Hussein.

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      • Author by redking75687 (March 20, 2007 10:41 pm ET)
           

        Gore was all for bombing them and starving them of basic medical supplies in the 1990's. His hands are bloody from a lot of dead Iraqi children, too. Can't expect compassion from a close friend of Israeli war criminals.

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      • Author by open_mind (March 20, 2007 11:22 pm ET)
           

        Come on, Oscar. You have to be joking by comparing Saddam to Hitler.  Hitler is in a league all his own and you diminish the evil he did by comparing him to Hussein.

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        • Author by oscar the grouch (March 21, 2007 9:15 pm ET)
             

          Sorry, I guess I didn't realize there were degrees of evil. I thought that if one (MadMan or AH) set out the ethnicly cleanse their respective countries, be it of Shiites and Kurds in one case or Jews in the other, they were evil. I thought that even the lesser of two evils was still evil.  Bad me!! (slap my face).

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    • Author by mescal (March 20, 2007 10:24 pm ET)
         

      C'mon, guys. To see these two sleazy lying neocons STILL being given a forum by Tim Russert really should come as no surprise. Russert remains a faithful lapdog to the present administration.

      A key (though naturally underreported) aspect to the Scooter Libbey trial was the REASON for Russert's involvement in it. Libbey & the other White House weasels had concluded that Meet The Press had proven itself a safe & welcoming venue for RNC talking points. Russert regularly used these talking points as the basis for his lines of questioning of members of both parties. He was a willing shill & a reliable conduit for White House lies, smears, distortions, & general propaganda. He's shown himself over the years to be cheap (if soft spoken) right wing hack.

      That Russert would host these two vicious sociopaths WITHOUT EVEN MENTIONING THEIR SHAMEFUL & ARGUABLY CRIMINAL PAST ACTIONS is consistent with the sort of journalistic ethics that he's been committed to for the last decade. He's just another wealthy Washington insider, winking Dubya's way as a means of thanking him for the tax cuts.

      Don't believe me? Go check the MMFA archives & you'll see that the consistent pattern of his carrying the neocon's water.

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    • Author by navy_guy (March 20, 2007 11:52 pm ET)
         

       

      Well, well

      The "Price of Darkness' has come back from the dead offering up his NeoConmen's tripe about how Iraq posed an immediate threat to the most fearsome Military Machine in the annals of history. So let me get this straight. Saddam Hussein, a sworn enemy of the 'Jihadists' and the only secular ruler, albeit a tyrant, in the Arab World presented a clear and present danger to the United States of America.

      And all of this fear after his complete and utter obliteration in Gulf War1 where over 200,000 Iraqi soldiers were slaughtered en masse, his armored divisions left as smoldering hulks after being picked off by A10 Warthogs of the US Air Force, and then only to suffer a 12 year burden of crushing sanctions which outright butchered the Iraqi populace, mostly children and the elderly to be followed by 2/3 of the country being cordoned off in no fly zones subject to 24/7 air strikes by American F-16's and British Tornadoes.

      Now, any reasonable person with an ounce of intelligence can only conclude that the rationale for  the pre-emptive invasion of Iraq some four years ago was for far more sinister purposes. It is to this very fact that Richard Perle's pontificating about the imminent threat of a nation brought to it's knees......... AND the fictitious threat ginned and hyped to the people of the United States stands as a testament to his absolute ruthlessness, a 'WAR Mongerer and War Profiteer supreme.

      He is a consummate coward whose allegiance is not to the United States and ought to be forever challenged for his vitriol and condemned by his outright posturing for the NeoConmen's farcical  attempt to remake the Mid-East.

      Damn him to HELL !

       

       

       

       

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