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Media outlets compared Iraq funding battle with 1995-96 shutdown without noting crucial differences

March 30, 2007 7:54 pm ET

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In reporting on the Senate passing an emergency funding bill that sets a date for U.S. troop withdrawal from Iraq to begin, with the goal of having most troops out by March 31, 2008 -- a bill that will likely be vetoed -- various media outlets have cited the budget standoff that led to the government shutdowns of 1995-96 as a warning to congressional Democrats. But in suggesting that the 1995 shutdown shows that Congress stands to lose over such a standoff, the media ignore key differences in the two situations, including, that former President Bill Clinton was a far more popular president at the time of the standoff than current polling indicates President Bush is.

Just prior to the first government shutdown, which began on November 14, 1995, Clinton's job approval ratings were significantly higher than Bush's are now. The Roper Center for Public Opinion Research noted that Clinton had a 54 percent job performance rating in a November 10-13, 1995, ABC/Washington Post poll and a 52 percent job performance rating in a November 6-8, 1995, USA Today/CNN/Gallup poll. By contrast, in a March 23-25, 2007, USA Today/Gallup poll, only 34 percent of respondents said they "approve of the way George W. Bush is handling his job as president." Similarly, a March 21-25 poll by the Pew Research Center for the People and the Press found that Bush had a 33 percent job performance rating.

At the time, polls also showed stronger support for Clinton's position on the budget problem that led to the shutdown than for the position held by the then-Republican-led Congress. By comparison, a majority of the public now supports a timeline for U.S. withdrawal from Iraq, which Bush has said, if present in the bill Congress sends him, will lead to a veto. Regarding the budget issue, The New York Times noted in a November 11, 1995, article:

The most recent NBC News-Wall Street Journal Poll shows a continuing erosion of public support for their [the Republicans' budget] program. ... [I]n October, only 35 percent were supporters and 45 percent were opposed.

Similarly, Newsday noted on November 11, 1995, that a "USA Today/CNN poll released yesterday suggested Americans by wide margins have soured on the Republican agenda, with 60 percent saying he [Clinton] should veto the budget bill and 33 percent saying he should sign it." According to a later CNN/USA Today/Gallup poll, conducted on November 14, 1995, the first day of the shutdown, 36 percent of respondents favored the Republican position on the budget and 49 percent favored the Democratic position.

On March 23, Bush vowed to veto the House version of the Iraq war supplemental, which includes a date by which redeployment must begin and must be completed. Recent polls show that a majority of Americans support setting a timetable for the withdrawal of troops. In the March 23-25 USA Today/Gallup poll, 60 percent of respondents said they "favor" "[s]etting a time-table for withdrawing all U.S. troops from Iraq no later than the fall of 2008." And, in the March 21-25 Pew poll, 55 percent of respondents said the "U.S. should ... set a timetable for when troops will be withdrawn from Iraq." Furthermore, 40 percent of respondents said the "Democratic leaders in Congress are ... not [going] far enough in challenging George W. Bush's policies in Iraq," 30 percent said they were "handling this about right," and 23 percent said they were "going too far."

In citing the 1995 shutdown as a caveat for Congress today, however, recent news reports have largely left out these differences. For example:

  • The Associated Press reported in a March 29 article by Anne Flaherty: "The looming showdown was reminiscent of the GOP-led fight with President Clinton over the 1996 budget. ... Newt Gingrich, R-Ga., the House speaker at the time, eventually relented but claimed victory."
  • In a March 29 Washington Post article, unnamed "Bush strategists" compared the 1995 shutdown with the possible Iraq standoff, "hop[ing] that the Democrats will overplay their hand, as the Republicans themselves did a decade ago."
  • On March 29, The New York Times cited "[s]ome" Democrats who "recalled President Clinton's success in putting the blame on Republicans for a 1995 government shutdown."
  • In a March 29 article about an Iraq "showdown," the Los Angeles Times reported that "[t]he last such head-on collision between the branches of government was in 1994, when a newly elected Republican Congress took aim at a Democratic president and eventually forced the shutdown of the federal government." While the article noted that the Iraq war is "increasingly unpopular," it did not mention that the Republican position on the budget in 1995 had less public support than Clinton's position.
  • In another March 29 AP article, this time by special correspondent David Espo, the AP reported that the current "confrontation" had "similarities" to the 1995 budget battle, which Espo described as between "a new, Republican-controlled Congress" and "a politically weakened president of the other party." Espo concluded: "In the end, the new GOP majority surrendered, and Bill Clinton exploited the episode to help rehabilitate his standing with the voters. "
  • On the March 28 edition of MSNBC's Tucker, host Tucker Carlson asserted: "Don't you think the party that is seen as grinding the government to a halt loses? The Republicans lost the government shutdown standoff."
  • In a March 22 Post analysis, staff writer Michael Abramowitz wrote that "the coming struggle over war spending recalls the budget battles" in which "House Republicans led by Speaker Newt Gingrich (Ga.) badly overplayed their hand and were blamed politically for a government shutdown." Abramowitz wrote that anonymous "White House officials" "suggest this lesson is not far from their thinking."

Weekly Standard executive editor Fred Barnes went still further in a March 5 column reprinted on CBSNews.com, asserting that the government shutdown was evidence of broader congressional weakness. Barnes wrote that it's "impossible" and that "[i]t never works" to "govern Washington from Capitol Hill," citing the "climactic clash in 1995," in which congressional Republicans were "thwarted by President Clinton."

From Flaherty's March 29 AP article:

Democrats acknowledge they do not have enough support in Congress to override Bush's veto, but say they will continue to ratchet up the pressure until he changes course.

The looming showdown was reminiscent of the GOP-led fight with President Clinton over the 1996 budget, which caused a partial government shutdown that lasted 27 days. Newt Gingrich, R-Ga., the House speaker at the time, eventually relented but claimed victory because the bill represented a substantial savings over the previous year's spending.

From the March 29 Washington Post article:

Inside the White House, Bush strategists hope that the Democrats will overplay their hand, as the Republicans themselves did a decade ago. "This is in some ways a replay of the government shutdown," agreed one White House official who spoke on the condition of anonymity to discuss strategy. "The Republicans overreached at that point. I think that the Democrats will overreach [now]. We'll see."

Bush criticized yesterday the $20 billion in domestic spending that was added to the Senate bill. The nonmilitary spending includes $1.6 billion for flood and storm damage relief along the Gulf Coast, $2 billion to cover crop losses, $25 million for drought assistance, $820 million for low-income heating subsidies, and $75 million to repair the failing computer system at the Farm Service Agency.

From the March 29 New York Times article:

While they are hoping to capitalize on Mr. Bush's unpopularity, Democrats acknowledged privately that they were uncertain how the finger-pointing would play out. Some recalled President Clinton's success in putting the blame on Republicans for a 1995 government shutdown.

Republicans say Mr. Bush may be unpopular, but his policy of sending additional troops to Iraq may have more support than he does. Despite a recent nationwide telephone poll by the Pew Research Center for People and the Press in which 59 percent of those who responded said they wanted their lawmakers to vote in favor of a timetable for withdrawal, aides to Mr. Bush say the public is beginning to see improvements on the ground in Iraq and is willing to give Mr. Bush's troop buildup a chance.

From the March 29 Los Angeles Times article:

With the Senate poised today to vote to restrict President Bush's ability to conduct the war in Iraq, the White House and Congress are careening toward their biggest policy confrontation in more than a decade.

The last such head-on collision between the branches of government was in 1994, when a newly elected Republican Congress took aim at a Democratic president and eventually forced the shutdown of the federal government.

This time, a newly elected Democratic Congress is taking on a Republican president in an effort to force a drawdown in an increasingly unpopular war.

From Espo's March 29 AP article:

Whatever the outcome, the confrontation bore similarities to a veto fight of a dozen years ago. At the time, a new, Republican-controlled Congress promised steep spending cutbacks to balance the budget, and a politically weakened president of the other party refused to go along.

A pair of government shutdowns ensued including one that lasted 21 days and Republicans bore the brunt of the public's unhappiness. In the end, the new GOP majority surrendered, and Bill Clinton exploited the episode to help rehabilitate his standing with the voters.

Apart from the Iraq provisions, the Senate legislation includes about $20 billion in domestic spending that Bush did not ask for. Republicans readied an attempt to strip out much of it, and Bush listed it as among the bill's objectionable features.

From the March 28 edition of MSNBC's Tucker, which also featured MSNBC political analyst Pat Buchanan:

PRESS: I disagree with Pat's analysis to this extent. I mean, certainly, the president's going to veto this bill. That's correct. We know that. But I think, every time this bill comes up, or a similar bill like that, there are more and more Republicans who will be compelled to vote for it, because their political survival is at stake in 2008.

And the closer we get to either the presidential primary or any of these guys running for re-election in the Senate, Tucker, he vetoes that bill, that means it comes back, and they've got to vote on it again, which means Republicans have to stand up again and say, "We support George Bush. We support this war." That is suicide for them.

CARLSON: No, they don't, necessarily, because, of course, they lost this last vote. In fact, they can just let it keep going. The vote could stay at the -- along the same lines it was. And, in the end, don't you think the party that is seen as grinding the government to a halt loses? The Republicans lost the government shutdown standoff.

PRESS: Wait a minute, who's grinding the government to a halt? This is government working the way it's supposed to do. The president has put his policy out. Congress, reflecting the will -- clearly, the will of the American people -- has put its policy out there.

BUCHANAN: Let me tell you --

PRESS: And, so, you've got a clash between the two. That's the way government's supposed to work.

From the Post's March 22 analysis:

In some respects, the coming struggle over war spending recalls the budget battles between the GOP-led Congress and the Clinton White House during the mid-1990s. In that case, House Republicans led by Speaker Newt Gingrich (Ga.) badly overplayed their hand and were blamed politically for a government shutdown they thought would force President Bill Clinton to make the budget cuts he opposed.

Private conversations with White House officials suggest this lesson is not far from their thinking. Officials appear convinced that Democrats would not dare risk being blamed for not "supporting the troops" by refusing to send Bush a bill without restrictions on how troops are to be deployed. Moderate Democrats, already skittish about the party leadership's plan, "would go nuts," one White House official predicted.

From Barnes' March 5 column:

As a result the outlook for Republicans and conservatives isn't as bleak as it seemed right after last November's midterm election -- and Democrats and liberals have found that enacting their agenda is far more complicated than they imagined when they captured Congress.

Democrats have themselves to blame, at least in part. They've tried to do the impossible: govern Washington from Capitol Hill. It never works. Republicans tried it after they won Congress in 1994, only to be thwarted by President Clinton in the climactic clash in 1995 over a government shutdown. They lost because they misread their mandate and overreached. Now Democrats are doing the same, particularly in their attempts to obstruct President Bush's counterinsurgency strategy in Iraq.

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    • Author by redking75687 (March 30, 2007 8:06 pm ET)
         

      Yet the Democrats' little war-crime-funding bill gives the White House sole power to decide if the Iraqi government has met the "benchmarks" for withdrawal. All the arguments seem to completely ignore this. This bill is more political theater...the war crime goes on and the Democrats did NOTHING to stop it. Just a big fat con job. The anti-war movement isn't buying it. We've read the fine print and this bill keeps the war GOING!

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    • Author by oscar the grouch (March 30, 2007 8:38 pm ET)
         

      Will he veto because of the timeline (with benchmarks) or because of the excess of pork added to buy votes??? The more things seem to change, the more they stay the same. I thought I heard the D's say business was going to change in WA DC, with pork being under a microscope, but when the going get tough, the $$$$$$ come out!!! Where were the spending offsets??????

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      • Author by loonz (March 31, 2007 12:02 am ET)
           

        He's going to veto the bill because of the timeline.  He had no problem signing bills laden with pork for the first six years of his presidency so it shouldn't bother him now.  And some of the stuff added to bill I would not consider pork.

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        • Author by oscar the grouch (March 31, 2007 10:49 am ET)
             

          Something in the bill for your area of the country, huh? I'm sure that there may be a couple of worthwhile projects in the bill, but the majority of it appears to be pure pork, used to buy votes.

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          • Author by loonz (March 31, 2007 12:51 pm ET)
               

            Something in the bill for your area of the country, huh?

            I live in NYC and I don't think any funding was provided for the city in the bill unless you know otherwise.

            I'm sure that there may be a couple of worthwhile projects in the bill, but the majority of it appears to be pure pork, used to buy votes.

             

             

            - oscar the grouch / Saturday March 31, 2007 10:49:44 AM EST

            I have no problem with the Congress buying votes to end the occupation of Iraq.  We shouldn't have gone there in the first place and the Iraqis are willing to blowup the troops to get us out of their country.

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            • Author by redking75687 (March 31, 2007 6:39 pm ET)
                 

              But the bill doesn't end the occupation. It funds it for another year and let's Bush decide to withdrawal or not. It's a con.

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              • Author by loonz (April 01, 2007 3:55 am ET)
                   

                So you're saying that Bush is indeed going to veto the bill because of the pork and not the timeline?

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                • Author by redking75687 (April 01, 2007 9:07 pm ET)
                     

                  Bush will veto it simply because it's a Democrat bill. Can't let the other side have a legislative "victory", even if it is a sham, ya know.

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      • Author by dangrady (April 01, 2007 10:42 am ET)
           

        SAVE DEMOCRACY, VOTE FOR A DEMOCRAT!!

        Comparing Newt's attempt to parlay Republican control of Congress into a clean sweep of control of government's agenda even though not mandated by the election!! The electorate fell into the Republican noise that Democrats had hold on power for to long, and were corrupt, and entrenched; which was true to some degree. The did not want the Republicans to jump to the most extreme of their party and shut down government!!

        The Republicans had not had control of either house for so long that they fell off the deep end like a hillbilly after winning the lottery!

        That was soon followed by the revelation of Newt's own corruption, and it was bye-bye Newt, thank God for that!!

        Last November was an overall mandate to the new Congress to end the war, and expell the corrupted Republican leadership!! Nothing like the shutdown of the Republicans, and it's not suprising that the corporate media would promote the idea.

        Be rest assured, when you hear these pundits spin Republican defeats as Democratic folie that looks like their own folie, they are just desparate the Democrat is as arrogant, and foolish as the Republican!! We have our foolishness manifest in the form of over tolerance of Republican distortions, and a misguided attempt to be fair with them!

        Happy Thoughts;

        Dan Grady

         

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      • Author by captfoster2 (April 01, 2007 9:14 pm ET)
           

        Oscar,

        Consider this.......

        Presume for the moment that the Dems did this on purpose......

        They attempt to give Bush everything he asks for and then some but with the stipulation of a timeline for withdrawl knowing that he would very likely veto it......

        Perhaps at some point in the very near future the Dems will now create new bills that will give Bush less and less and will force Bush into wishing he had taken what the Dems offered originally, but throughout making sure the troops are fully funded......

        This would prove that Bush is really out of touch with reality and doesn't give a damn about what the majority has to say or had to say back on Nov 7

        Just a random theory

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    • Author by eweston8542983 (March 30, 2007 10:16 pm ET)
         

      I think you're buying a talking point with the use of the word pork. I just watched The Mc Group. A subtle part of the machine, some good theater also. Pat seems to think Shrub will come out on top. He did not recieve any support. What indeed are the Democrats going to do after the veto? Tony seemed think that they would push though futher actions, a rare opinion from him, but what actions are not clear to me.

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    • Author by fantagor (March 31, 2007 2:12 am ET)
         

      The biggest difference being glossed over is that the GOP showdown with Clinton was over the budget for the upcoming fiscal year, not a tag along pet project of an unpopular president. Iraq is not essential to the United States. It was, and still is, a VOLUNTARY expedition into manipulating Middle Eastern governance structures for some unspecified (but easily scried) purpose (oil).

      When will the press finally grow a pair and state, without equivocation, that Bush is out of cards and money and time, and whatever steps the Democrats are taking to remove us from Iraq (and Bush's head from his a**) are more than necessary interventions but long overdue.

      Randy

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    • Author by tex (March 31, 2007 8:40 am ET)
         

      The instances ARE similar, because in BOTH cases, Republicans attempt to govern AGAINST THE EXPRESSED WILL OF THE PEOPLE.

      No surprise there, Republicans are PROUD that they don't give a damn what the American People think. They call this their "political courage". Bush will stick to his program NO MATTER WHAT, convinced with divine certainty that he is in the "Right". Republicans call this a fine example of "leadership".

      In truth, Republicans are horrible "leaders" and horrible at governing. They do not realize that it is their job, when elected, to SERVE THE PEOPLE. They believe they are supposed to serve THEMSELVES, and to hell with the citizens. So that's what they do.

      The GOP Congress did it in '95, and Bush does it today, showing they have ZERO regard for respecting or honoring the American People. It's all about stubbornly serving THEIR OWN interests, and to hell with the idiots who populate this nation. 

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      • Author by Dem02020 (April 01, 2007 7:52 am ET)
           

        You know it Tex, and I do too.

        There's another MMFA item, where a poll is cited, about how folk's feel about Iraq, and the supplemental Defense spending bill that Congress is about to Conference on...

        And of course the president is threatening to veto that Defense bill, not because it doesn't contain all the money that he's requested (It does! It completely funds the Troops, and their mission!), but because that Defense bill calls for an end to the occupation of Iraq.

        Again, the measure completely funds the Troops, but calls for an end to the occupation of Iraq... and in so doing, calls for an end to the deaths of our Sons and Daughters in Iraq... 3,246 having already made the ultimate sacrifice there (and the president hell-bent to see more and more of them killed there, it seems).

        The president, in anticipation of those Troops not being funded (by way of his veto of that funding), has said this about the Public's perception of his threat to veto the funds:

        "The American People will know who to hold responsible..." [for the stalled funding of our troops]

        Now, this business about the American People, and what they might think about all this, and what the polls maybe show and maybe don't, about Public opinion (and emotion too... a lot of emotion) about Iraq...

        I have a few facts here (I love this)... this is not opinion, these are facts (I love doing this):

         

        More than 76 million of the American People were polled recently (that's a mind-boggling large poll to take!)... they were asked:

        What do you think (and feel) generally about the invasion and occupation of Iraq?

        What is your opinion of George W. Bush (and his administration), who as you know falsified intelligence, and took perverse advantage of the American People's traumatic disposition following the attacks of September 11, 2001... what do you think and feel about him, and that?

        More specifically, what do you think of Congress, and it's Republican leadership, who as you know, worked hand in hand with the Bush administration, to pass H.J.Res.114, the bill authorizing the president to invade Iraq?

         

        You know what those 76 million of the American People said, in response to these questions?

        They said "excuse me please, while I go inside the polling station, and vote."

        And you know what happened? (Of course you do)

        The American People did the extraordinary thing, of FIRING SIX INCUMBANT U.S. SENATORS! Every single one of them a Republican!

        You know how hard it is for an incumbent Senator to lose an election? Well, Santorum and Allen and DeWine and Talent and Burns and Chafee sure found it an easy thing to do, because they're the ones that did it, and got fired as a U.S. Senator.

        Every single Democratic Senator was re-elected.

        Fact.

        Over in the House of Representatives (where incumbency is also usually a sure ticket back to D.C.)...

        ...22 INCUMBENT REPRESENTATIVES WERE FIRED FROM THEIR JOBS by the American People, every single one of them a Republican!

        Fact.

        Every single incumbent Democratic Representative was re-elected, but 22 Republicans were fired!

        And I'm not even including the various criminals and deviates and weirdos among the Republican House members, who were too stained to even run, and suffer the inevitable loss (I mean stains like delay and ney and foley and katherine harris and whoever else).

        Among the Republican losers, by the way, were J.D. Hayworth, Curt Weldon, Henry Bonilla, and Jim Leach.

        Now if you're keeping score, then you know that's a shutout... an extraordinary shutout: 28 Republican legislators fired from their jobs by the American People (and again, that's not counting the various Republican criminals and deviates too embarrassed or indicted to even run)...

        ...versus not a single Democratic legislator fired... every single one of them re-elected.

        It was the first time in U.S. History that not a single Democrat lost their seat, and that not a single Republican won an open seat.

        These are facts.

        They are the results of a legal and certified and binding poll, of the American People... that's what they think, and that's how they feel, about George W. Bush and Republicans in Congress and Iraq.

         

        The president said:

        The American People will know who's responsible

        ...he's damn right about that.

        The American People do know who's responsible for the deaths of 3,246 of their Sons and Daughters in Iraq...

        ...and so don't I, and so don't you.

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        • Author by Taz (April 01, 2007 12:23 pm ET)
             

          Great novel. I can't wait to see the movie.

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        • Author by redking75687 (April 01, 2007 9:10 pm ET)
             

          Withdrawal...at the President's discretion...by 2008...IF Iraq meets certain benchmarks...set by the President. Don't seem like an order to pull out to me.

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        • Author by Dem02020 (April 01, 2007 11:00 pm ET)
             

          Another thing worth noting, that naturally follows from the history-making election results of last November (again, never before in U.S. History had every single incumbent Democrat been re-elected... and likewise an historical first, never before had Republicans failed to capture even a single open seat: Not one! And to put those historical firsts into a better perspective, consider that there were 468 seats, elections, decided that day)...

          What those history-making election results also demonstrate, is the ineffectiveness (if not impotence) of Fox Noise Channel (and the rest of the hack "media") to sway the American People from their own good consciences, and from the reasonable conclusions they may arrive at, regarding U.S. National Policy, from the meditations those People give, to their opinions.

          Fox Noise Channel hacked away (as we all know) 24-7, for death and profits in Iraq, and for George W. W Bush and Dick Cheney et al, and for Congressional Republicans in general.

          The resulting rebuke of those things, sent by the American People on that history-making day, was as much a rebuke of FNC and the hacks etc.

          The election results certified that truth also: That the hack "media" is presently ineffective, impotent even, against the opinions of the American People.

          True.

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          • Author by lemoc (April 02, 2007 1:43 pm ET)
               

            Centrist Repubs replaced by centrist Dems.

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            • Author by solon (April 02, 2007 2:30 pm ET)
                 

              You mean centrist dems like Sherrod Brown. Wait he is an outright liberal by any standards, like Bernie Sanders. Wait he is a socialist. Like Claire McKaskill no fairly liberal, Amy Klobucher? A Wellstone protege. Talking point with no substance alert.

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    • Author by conleytgwinn (March 31, 2007 5:47 pm ET)
         

      Actually, I have to agree, reluctantly, that there is danger for the Democrats in this bill. Realizing that they passed the bill that they could pass, rather than the bill they might have wished to pass (echo of RumDumb there?) if Bungle didn't veto, their whole "next move" strategy is foiled, and they have provided funding many of them  have intended to withhold - they don't get to respond to that veto.

      I can see the post-mortem already: "Dems Undone By Success", "George refuses to veto"

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    • Author by paligap (March 31, 2007 7:30 pm ET)
         

      Redking, the House bill doesn't "let Bush decide whether to withdraw or not." It mandates withdrawal by Aug. 2008. Sometimes I wonder if you're a neocon plant. You criticize every Democratic action as not ideologically "pure" enough. In divided government, sometimes the pure has to give way to the possible.

      Conley, I don't see how Democrats "lose" if Bush doesn't veto the bill. They get the credit for bringing an end to this insane occupation. Do they (and we) wish it would end sooner? You bet, but see my comment to Redking above.

      Oscar, I agree that the attached spending is wrong. If the Democrats are smart, they'll strip it in the conference committee. Then Republicans couldn't use it to criticize the bill.

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      • Author by conleytgwinn (March 31, 2007 8:53 pm ET)
           

        Sorry: I couldn't find the "irony" motiff on the edit bar - but, in keeping with the tone of the underlying "Reps win again" that MSM assigns to each and every outcome imaginable, I just couldn't resist indulging in a little.

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        • Author by conleytgwinn (March 31, 2007 9:26 pm ET)
             

          uh, "motif" . . .

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          • Author by HuntingtonBeachLefty (March 31, 2007 10:15 pm ET)
               

            Unless you're having a small argument about your motif, then I think that's a motiff.

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            • Author by conleytgwinn (April 01, 2007 2:34 am ET)
                 

              I seem to recall some ancient TV character whose catch phrase was "Very Funny!" (You'll have to supply your own tone and pronunciation.) So, "Very Funny!"

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      • Author by redking75687 (April 01, 2007 9:13 pm ET)
           

        Withdrawal is to be dependent on the Iraqi government meeting certain benchmarks...to be set by the President, to be certified by the President. In other words, it funds the war crime without ending the war crime but looks like it ends the war crime...until you read the fine print and it DOESN'T end the war crime. You been conned by the Democrats again...the same Democrats who been voting to keep this damned war crime going and going and going....

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    • Author by dexteritas0071418 (April 02, 2007 11:53 am ET)
         

      The 2 deciding points about this issue has been missed by MMfA.

      1. The headline: Dems halt troop funding.

      2. Congress's average approval rating, regardless of what party is in power. Bush's approval rating no good? Congress's is usually in 20 percent land.

       Regardless of whether the Democrats are "right" in this instance, they won't come out on top politically unless they could somehow work a miracle and shove through an override. It is a light possibility in the House, but an impossibility in the Senate.

      I would like to see the Dems take a page from Bush's book though and do what they think is right, even if it could hurt politically.

       

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      • Author by rusty shackleford (April 02, 2007 12:20 pm ET)
           

        As our representatives they're supposed to do what we think is right. Bush has never understood who his boss is.

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    • Author by dexteritas0071418 (April 02, 2007 1:01 pm ET)
         

      Why did you even bother writing? I understand that they're supposed to represent us, and that's what I meant.

      Who does the President answer to? The opinions of the people that elected him in 2004? The people that elected him in 2004 but may have different opinions today? Or those that did everything they could to not elect him?

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      • Author by rusty shackleford (April 02, 2007 2:06 pm ET)
           

        Why did you even bother writing? I understand that they're supposed to represent us, and that's what I meant.

        Then that should have been what you said. 

        Who does the President answer to?

        He apparently answers only to himself, and the religious voices in his head. He should answer to every single one of us. 

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    • Author by redking75687 (April 02, 2007 1:46 pm ET)
         

      And on a lighter note....The Democratic National Committee, for some odd reason, sent me, of all people, a survey to be filled out. It was of course about which candidate I felt was more electable and other shallow inanities. I, of course, did not fill it out as expected. The question on withdrawal from Iraq didn't even have a box for "immediate withdrawal", closest date was 2008. So in reply, I took out a Sharpie and wrote in rather large letters "Screw you, you war criminal bastards! Signed, 650,000 Dead Iraqis" on the inside of the form and mailed it back to them today. I hope they enjoy that at Party headquarters.

      Isn't it nice how they play their political games with the lives of innocent people? No more mass murderers in office. Greens 2008. Join the Revolution.

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