Despite contrary poll data, Matthews claimed Midwestern voters "may not like people like Hillary"
On the April 3 edition of MSNBC's Hardball, host Chris Matthews responded to Republican presidential candidate Tommy Thompson's assertion that "the only way a Republican can win in 2008 is carry the Upper Midwestern states, Michigan, Wisconsin, Minnesota, and Iowa" by saying: "You're speaking my language. I agree with you. That is the vulnerability of a [Sen.] Hillary [Rodham Clinton (D-NY)] campaign." Matthews added: "Michigan, Ohio, those states in the industrial Midwest, they're sort of -- well, I think they're macho states. They're gun owner states. They may not like people like Hillary." Matthews did not offer any evidence to support his claim and, in fact, recent polling in Iowa, Michigan, and Ohio -- three of the four states Matthews and Thompson named -- suggests Clinton would run strongly in a general election campaign in those states:
- A University of Iowa poll, released April 3, noted that "Clinton led with 13.5 percent support" when respondents were "asked an 'open-ended' question -- to name their presidential preference -- without being prompted with candidates' names." That same poll noted, "When registered Iowa voters were given the top six candidates by name, Clinton led statewide with 19.3 percent."
- A Quinnipiac University poll released March 22 noted that Clinton "defeats [former New York] Mayor [Rudy] Giuliani 46-43 percent, Sen. [John] McCain [R-AZ] 46-42 percent and former Massachusetts Gov. Mitt Romney 51-32 percent" in general election match-ups in Ohio.
- A Detroit Free Press-Local 4 Michigan poll, released February 2, found that Clinton topped Giuliani and McCain -- "46%-42% against Giuliani and 46%-43% against McCain."
As Media Matters for America has previously noted, on the September 19, 2006, edition of Hardball, Matthews declared, "[G]o see Deer Hunter if you think [Clinton] can get elected president," adding that "Midwest guys" whose "idea of heaven is out hunting with the beer cans and shooting a pheasant or a bear" are "not up to modern women as president." The Deer Hunter was released in 1978.
Later, Matthews asked Thompson if Clinton was "vulnerable on the Second Amendment," to which Thompson replied that "most Democrats are, but especially Hillary," offering no evidence for this assertion. Thompson later said "most gun owners are quite suspicious of -- of Democrats in general, as far as being gun owners. And they're also very suspicious, I think, of Mrs. Clinton," adding "that is a problem I think she is going to have to overcome, if she is going to get elected president of the United States." He added, "I ride a motorcycle. I hunt. I fish. That are the kind of values and the kind of things that people, you know, really relate to." Matthews replied, "I think you're on to something up there."
From the April 3 edition of MSNBC's Hardball with Chris Matthews:
THOMPSON: Well, I think the only way that a Republican can win in 2008 is carry the Upper Midwestern states, Michigan, Wisconsin, Minnesota, and Iowa. And I think I am by far the strongest candidate to carry those four states. And I don't think --
MATTHEWS: You can beat Hillary in -- you know, you're speaking my language. I agree with you. That's the vulnerability of a Hillary campaign.
THOMPSON: That is right.
MATTHEWS: Michigan, Ohio, those states in the industrial Midwest, they're sort of -- well, I think they're macho states. They're gun owner states. They may not like people like Hillary. But when you tell it your way, why would you do better up there than Hillary?
THOMPSON: Well, I think there's no question about it, because you just got done saying it. These are states that are progressive, but they are also states that look forward to making sure that people rely upon each other, have a strong work ethics. That's why welfare reform was so favorably received in this particular area. That's why private school choices -- that's why people like the fact that we talk about fiscal conservatism. I just think the values, the ethics, the work ethics are the kinds of things that I -- I represent in the upper Midwest. And I think --
MATTHEWS: Is Hillary Clinton vulnerable on the Second Amendment?
THOMPSON: I think she is. I think most Democrats are, but especially Hillary. I think the Second Amendment are -- individuals that really believe in gun rights. And those individuals usually will vote for Republicans, especially somebody like myself that's a hunter.
MATTHEWS: And Hillary's not a hunter?
THOMPSON: I don't think so, but I'm not sure.
MATTHEWS: But you said she is especially vulnerable on the Second Amendment. How so?
THOMPSON: Well, I think most gun owners are quite suspicious of -- of Democrats in general, as far as being gun owners. And they're also very suspicious, I think, of Mrs. Clinton. And that is a problem I think she is going to have to overcome if she is going to get elected president of the United States. But I think people in the Upper Midwest -- I ride a motorcycle. I hunt. I fish. That are the kind of values and the kind of things that people, you know, really relate to.
MATTHEWS: I think you're on to something up there.
Uuummm.... 'fiscal conservatism (a term completely left in the gutter by republicant's who used to tout that as their mantra), values and a strong work ethic' are what the 'upper right half of the mid-west' likes...? OK- then, please, by all means, keep voting republican't because they are SO GOSH DARN GOOD at these things!! And, really... does Mattthews think gun control is what is MOST IMPORTANT in Hillary's quest for the presidency...? Come on, give me a break... if that's all conservatives can muster, the election is already over... On a side note, every time I hear people say they ride bikes and fish and hunt in such a manner where they are trying to appear 'macho' or whatever, I just roll my eyes... and Matthews, pleeeeeeeze continue to not use facts- guessing games are fun and should be used whenever you want.. THANKS!
I sure hope Hillary wins the Democrat primaries. I cannot wait to see Bill back in the White House and get back to some good sex scandals instead of all this Pelosi nonsense.
Pelosi has done more good for this country this week than George W. Bush has during his entire sorry life.
OK, I have to ask. What has she done?
She went to Syria and met with their leader. I believe that will do more to diffuse tensions in that area than Bush's "surge" could ever hope to accomplish. As a result, her actions benefitted the country far more than Bush's.
but...but... Bush FREED IRAQ!! He liberated a COUNTRY from the shackles of an oppressive leader who didn't CARE what the populace thought and who INVADED other countries for greed and who was unrepentant and never admitted any WRONG DOING!! Wait.. what? Who was I talking about, again...?
Fair enough. Do you think the tensions will be defused by her "meeting" with the leader of Syria? We should see calm there by tomorrow, right?
She's brought head scarves back into fashion, isn't that enough?
Yup, I suppose that's good enough. I love Democrats.
"When in Rome, do as the Romans do." I suppose you'd also condemn, say, Ann Coulter if she were to go to Damascus and wear a scarf???
Or another one. I'm not Jewish, but when a friend of mine died back in high school who WAS Jewish I wore a yamulkah in the temple when I attended his funeral. Should I not have??/
DAVE!! Get a "grip"... in the REAL world, people and nations discuss and argue and haggle and empathize with others by a CONTINUING discourse... the only time one trip meetings work is when I ask a girl out and she says 'NO!'... end of story...
Exactly. And nothing is accomplished by putting a country on your "Axis of Evil" list and bombing the hell out of them.
Anf if we don't see calm by tomorrow, start the bombing! I'll be glad when the ADD gang isn't running everything.
As usual, don't vote D because of our results, vote D because of our intentions. About it?
When I have voted (D), as I have more than ever recently, it's been based on the respective past results of both parties.
I've been voting since 1980, and have never voted Republican. That's due to both their stated intentions and their results.
That's about it.
geez dave, i hope you're not suggesting we vote "r" because of their "results"? you must be a glutton for punishment.
No vote D because of the CATASTROPHE of voting R re the last 6 years.
Because to the terminally DIM marathons are over after the first step. Get real it helps that ANY diplomacy is taking place. Bush's foriegn policy is all stick no carrot. His idea of diplomacy is telling other countries to shut up and do what they are told. Hasnt been working out too well for us. The first step is to show that diplomacy is possible, then on to the next step.
I'm sorry. That's ridiculous. She went to Assad and told him Olmert told her Israel was ready to begin peace talks with Syria. She listened to Assad when he said he was ready to make peace with Israel. What a magical visit. Unfortunately none of it meant anything. Immediately after her announcing the details of her meeting with the Syrians, the Israelis insisted they told her nothing of the kind.
I agree that we should be talking to the Syrians, but it's simply not the job of the House Speaker to attempt to subvert American foreign policy by going on publicity tours acting as if she's the Secretary of State for some shadow government.
"it's simply not the job of the House Speaker to attempt to subvert American foreign policy by going on publicity tours acting as if she's the Secretary of State for some shadow government."
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And I'm sure you showed precisely the same sentiment when all the Republicans went there as well, didn't you?
Didn't you?
Bueller?
Bueller?
I don't post here very often, but as a point of fact, I'm not a Republican. I'm not a Democrat either, but I tend to vote for Democrats. That being said, I didn't follow the Republican visits to Syria. They weren't highly publicized like this one, but I would imagine they (the Republicans who went) did what Republicans generally do which is toe the administration line. Now, for better or worse, the administration will not actively and publicly (for lack of a better word) negotiate with nation states it recognizes as being supporters of 'terrorist' activities. My guess is that the Republican trips to Syria were not accompanied with sweeping promises they had neither the intention nor the authority to keep. I simply think one cannot honestly say the same about Speaker Pelosi's visit.
what sweeping promises?
Implicit in the meeting itself is the promise of bringing peace. Or, at least the attempt to use the Office of Speaker to begin a process toward a greater peace in the Middle East. It's pretty unclear how she plans to acheive such a peace, but one assumes (since her visit was an intentional offense against the president and the administration) that she plans to work toward some kind of peace with or without the support of the president of the United States. Therefore, she's essentially promising a new foreign policy initiative that from the Speaker's chair she could never fulfill.
Again, I think we should be talking to Syria. I think, however, that such talks should be coordinated by the State Department. I think the lack of diplomacy in the administration, the lack of confidence in and authority given to the State Department, has been clear since 2001. I think it's tragic, and I think it's led to a lot of the problems we've faced. I don't think even the most hawkish conservative would argue against that. Not honestly, anyway.
"Therefore, she's essentially promising a new foreign policy initiative that from the Speaker's chair she could never fulfill."
I don't understand what you're saying. Syria will talk peace if Israel gives back Arab lands gotten during the Six-Day War. Israel will talk peace if Syria stops supporting Hamas and Hezbollah. She doesn't have to fulfill anything; it's up to the Israelis and the Syrians to fulfill it.
i don't see her "essentially promising" anything. she's saying these are our positions.
I suppose by now you realize you got that ALL wrong.
Yes I agree. Tried of seeing all these false attacks at Pelosi going to Syria.
Yeah, sure WZ. Pelosi accomplished great things in Syria. Please tell us what they are. All I can say is that she looks absolutely stunning in a head scarf! A head-to-toe burhka would've been better, though.
So what would your fashion tip for Nancy have been since you are so concerned what she wears instead of what she does?
I just told you, Cyst. A head-to-toe burhka would be perfect. Maybe you can tell me what Pelosi accomplished with her trip. What did she say to Assad? How did he react? What, in concrete terms (not, "she started a dialogue") was accomplished?
Bush’s approach of not talking to Syria hasn’t accomplished anything (which is par for the course with anything he does) so Pelosi’s trying a more logical approach.
Yeah, WZ- if you can't prove that Pelosi accomplished more in one day than the Bush admin. has in 6 years, you're really looking like a fool.
The only fool around here lives at 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue.
You don't really live there, do you?
Touche', Dave. The ol rubber & glue, conservative last arrow in the quiver.
Comments like the one above only prove to everyone how mentally deficient some conservatives are.
And how intellectually bankrupt their agenda is...
HB, according to WZ, "Pelosi has done more good for this country this week than George W. Bush has during his entire sorry life." I'm just asking for an example or two. Is that too much to ask after someone claims such nonsense? Please answer the question without sarcasm if you will. Thanks.
Nancy's got her work cut out for her if she's gonna keep up with George's pace.
None of you can answer a simple question. I give up.
I think the answer that you're looking for (and already know) is that the "Nancy Pelosi has done more..." assertion was hyperbole.
On the other hand, the fact that Pelosi has done no damage to the country this week as opposed to the sum of Georges accomplishments over his lifetime and their contributions to the state of our country today COULD indicate that while neither is in plus territory, Nancy's ahead.
Didn't know WZ was using hyperbole. I took him/her at face value. I won't do THAT again.
DVD, you've been answered below, but doesn't seem to get through. The act of starting a dialogue is more of an accomplishment than years of Bush being protected from dealing with un-friendlies.
I think the problem is the American public has been scared and fed a pile of tough-talk to the point where many believe that hiding from the outside world is standing up to it.
Yeah, she did. I guess you never heard about the first rule of getting out of holes. Pelosi sent a signal to the entire world that we arent all Bush and we want to STOP DIGGING.
She started a dialog, which will accomplish far more in teh long run than all of Bush's saber-rattling.
And I wouldn't comment about Nancy Pelosi's attire when you have Bush's wife going around looking like she gets her fashion advice from Queen Elizabeth.....
She started a dialogue, WZ? How do you know that? What did she say? How did Assad react? What did the parties come away with? I'm waiting.....ZZZzzzzz
I'm not gonna spoon-feed you information like the right-wing propagandists do. Look it up for yourself on a REPUTABLE source - not one of the right-wing cybersewers.
Oh, I get it, WZ. It's the old "I pulled my claims out of thin air and I can't back them up so it's up to you to do an internet search on what I claimed." That's brilliant, WZ.
And you're the typical lazy ass conservative who wants everyone to do real work for you.
Prag, I asked WZ to back up his fantastic claims that Pelosi did great things this week. He can't do it. Other than putting words in the mouth of Olmert that he never uttered, which required Olmert to deny Pelosi's claims, what, exactly, has she accomplished by meeting with a murderous dictator who enables the animals who are killing our soldiers? I'm waiting. ZZZzzzzzz.
"quired Olmert to deny Pelosi's claims, what, exactly, has she accomplished by meeting with a murderous dictator who enables the animals who are killing our soldiers?"
She has to meet with Bush occasionally. That's part of her job.
Your claim about Olmert is FALSE. He admitted as much. There is no help for you there are none so blind as those who absolutly REFUSE to see.
You're projecting again, solon. Look and See: http://www.cnsnews.com/ViewForeignBureaus.asp?Page=/ForeignBureaus/archive/200704/INT20070405a.html
Yeah. The Conservative News Service. That's a good source. Please.
You're that braindead, Prag? How sad. You just go on believing everything MMFA, MoveOn, CodePink tells you. Sweet dreams.
"You're that braindead, Prag? How sad. You just go on believing everything MMFA, MoveOn, CodePink tells you. Sweet dreams." = I have no response
CNS stands for Conservative News Service, does it not? Oh...I forgot. They changed it so that it's now just CNS. They aren't a credible news source. I hear Thomm Hartmann blow apart their people all the time on his show. By the way, MMFA isn't a credible news source either. It's not a news source at all.
Yeah CNS, why not just post Limbuaghs homepage. Meanwhile as Harlequin has already posted from Ha'aretz Israels largest daily paper and the website of the Prime Ministers office itself
http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/845904.html
We simply announced what had taken place in the meeting [Olmert-Pelosi] on the basis of notes that are identical to those Pelosi has."
http://www.pmo.gov.il/PMOEng/Communication/Spokesman/2007/04/spokebur040407.htm
Olmert is Likud, he wants to talk with Syria and still keep up the tough talk to his rightwing base. These two articles make CLEAR that Pelosi did NOT give Syria any message that Israel didnt give her. The MOST they accused her of was taking part of their message not all of it. Even that is likely to be posturing, knowing Syria will get it and still throwing meat to the Likud base.
By the way Kudos to Harl for this one.
Are you kidding me? How dumb do you have to be to ask a question like that? How can we prove she opened a dialogue? So on your planet a trip like this would be to watch ESPN and down a few brewskis? Maybe they share a love for Wagner and she wanted to show off her new CD. Do you need evidence the sky is blue?
No, but I'd like evidence that you have anything worthwhile to say. Give it a try for a change.
"No, but I'd like evidence that you have anything worthwhile to say." = I have no game.
You're right, Prag. You don't.
Foiled by the old I'm rubber and you're glue, trick. Drat! You're relatively articulate for a 3rd grader.
I would like evidence you have two brain cells to rub together. Try higher BRAIN FUNCTION for a change.
I sure hope Guiliani wins the ReNAMBLAcan primary since the neandrathals wont come support him he wont stand a chance in the election.
What's that smell?
Tweety.
Ass.
Facts.
'fiscal conservatism (a term completely left in the gutter by republicant's who used to tout that as their mantra), values and a strong work ethic' are what the 'upper right half of the mid-west' likes...? OK- then, please, by all means, keep voting republican't because they are SO GOSH DARN GOOD at these things!
Can't argue with you there. The current crop is certainly not my idea of Conservatism. Rinos and Cinos all. I'm still looking for someone to explain to me what a social Conservative is aka Rudy. You can't be both. Newt sounds like the only reasonable choice at this point in time for the Conservative party.
Oh, yeah. Now THERE'S somebody we can ALL get behind.
The guy who thinks speaking Spanish leads to poverty in the ghetto. Yeah, THAT'S the guy I want representing our country.
You're twisting Gingrich's words, Neo. What is it with the absolute hysteria here?
Gingrich:"We should replace bilingual education with immersion in English so people learn the common language of the country and they learn the language of prosperity, not the language of living in a ghetto,"
How did I twist that? Or is the bi-lingual he's talking about English/Swahili?
Now square the quote with your post. Good luck.
I'm apparently misinterpreting his words. You go ahead and parse Newt for me.
You're right, Neo. He screwed up. He should have used "barrio" instead of "ghetto." Bi-lingual education slows the progress of people with limited English skills. The sooner immigrants learn to speak English fluently, the sooner they can start moving up the economic ladder.
Immigrant kids still learn English. It's inevitable. Bilingual education eases their transition, preventing them from falling too far behind.
It's nice that you use this one topic to show us all the true colors of the warped conservative philosophy. You are doing a great service.
It's absolutely amazing how many failed ideas liberals still desparately cling to. Bi-lingual education is just one. Here's a clue, prag: If you stop hitting yourself on the thumb with the hammer, the pain will stop. Hey but it's only "immigrants" you're holding back. No big deal, right Prag?
So you're backing up my FIRST summation of Newt's words, huh?
Shows how out of it I am. I thought you were challenging my interpretation. Glad to know we share common ground.
Bilingual education works. Now, instead of relying on talking points and platitudes, why don't you explain why it doesn't work? Cons love to make these broad statements about the "failure of liberal policy", but they never can back it up. Funny, that is.
That's hilarious, Prag! "Bilingual education works. Now explain why it doesn't. Cons love to make broad statements." Do you realize how foolish you sound?
Still waiting for an explanation of how it doesn't work. You brought it up. Back up your assertion.
Prag, it's a complete waste of time posting with you. You can't seem to get a grip on what others write. Where did I say it doesn't work? That's right, you fool. I didn't. Now why don't yo go take a good Neondesert for yourself and get some color in your face?
DVDBooker - " Bi-lingual education slows the progress of people with limited English skills."
You said it. Cons aren't even good liars.
Prag, do I need to explain to you the difference between "slows the progress" and "doesn't work"? You know what, Prag? You are a complete waste of time.
Splitting hairs again? The con strategy, when you lose move the goal posts. OK. Gotcha. I'll let you off the hook.
96% of 3rd generation Mexican immigrants prefer to speak English. Why does it take 3 generations?
Prefer is the operative word. That doesn't mean that they aren't also fluent in English.
I know what you mean. It's hard to communicate "pick faster!" and "you're not going home until the lining is sewn in that bedspread!" to a 3rd grader with limited English skills. How's he ever expect to get ahead?
Is that all you think immigrants can accomplish? Picking vegetables and sewing? Shame on you!
You're reinforcing my view of conservatives.
If I have to explain my comment to you, you're not ready to discuss this issue. Try the Nickelodeon website, it's more your speed.
By the way, you never did parse Newt's words to prove my interpretation incorrect. I think you - being an upstanding conservative individual who is willing to take responsibility for his own words and actions - should either prove my interpretation wrong, or go back to your comment that accused me of twisting Newt's words and flag it for removal.
At this point, I have to assume that you wrote it to advance an ideology despite knowing your claims lack of validity, and anything you wrote based on it is potentially embarrassing for you. I think the adult thing to do would be to flag it.
I can't flag. I'm on "probation." WWHHHAAAaaaaa!!!
Due to your outstanding conduct and value to this forum, no doubt.
Want me to do it? Just say the word...
Wow, dvd, several of us have been pretty patient here, but you've got to do some of the thinking if you're ever going to get well.Talk about needing your hand held.
Gingrich:"We should replace bilingual education with immersion in English so people learn the common language of the country and they learn the language of prosperity, not the language of living in a ghetto,"
English is the common language. Welcome to the USA. Newt is correct. Speak spanish if you must, but you will continue to wash my SUV.
"English is the common language."
Correction: English is the most common language.
Immigrants learn English because it's necessary to get by in this country. The myth of the stubborn immigrant, refusing to learn English is just that, a myth.
Here's one from your playbook, Prag: Prove your claim. What a waste.
What claim? Cons are the ones that propagate the myth. It's their job to prove the validity of it.
Rich Dave
You've gotta be kidding me. Newt? The man took divisive partisan politics to the level of hell. He doesn't deserve to be president. We need a real "UNITER" and Newt ain't it.
If my choices are McCain and Romney, I'd take Newt evertime.
Spare me these sanctimonious politicians and their "I'm just like you........" rhetoric. It's crap no matter which party they are affiliated with.
"I ride a motorcycle, I hunt, I fish". Do we really need some silly election after a candidate espouses those hobbies?
When did "riding a motorcycle," "Hunting," and "Fishing," become VALUES?
Oh yeah- around the time that so-called Conservatives realized they couldnt use long-lasting marriages, fiscal responsibility, etc. as Values anymore- because they were no longer traits that identified people as Republicans.
Sure, the leading Democratic candidates are all on their first marriage while the leading Republican candidates are on their second or third, sure the leading Democrats have solid family lives with loving children while the leading Republican candidates have estranged kids, ex-wives, mistresses etc- but LOOK, the Republicans HUNT and FISH!
Hey, whatever.
"because they were no longer traits that identified people as Republicans."
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They never did before, either.
Hilary has a solid family life? Wow...
Still has husband #1 and not your place to determine how HER marriage works.
Remember the famous Republican phrase, "MARRIAGE IS BETWEEN ONE MAN AND ONE WOMAN". Not you!
If you call serial adultery by Bill and Hilary smashing lamps on Bill's head "solid family life", you have a different definition than I do.
Not really.
You see I try to not live in a glass house and throw stones. When I achieve perfection in my life, THEN and only THEN will I attempt to work on someone else's.
Talking Points, Talking Points:
1. "Serial Adulterer"- exactly TWO WOMEN have been proven to have had an affair with Bill Clinton- Gennifer Flowers and Monica Lewinsky. In the US, being accused without evidence is not enough to prove guilt. And what a riot it is to hear Conservatives snark on Bill Clinton- he's a piker compared to most of your leading GOP candidates for President.
2. "Lamps smashed on heads"- oh, whatever. Some people will never accept that Bill and Hillary had problems in their marriage and worked their way through them. Cant blame people who's leaders routinely have affairs, divorce, remarry, have affairs, divorce, remarry, etc. to understand this. They'd rather believe that there must be violence in the marriage that's lasted more than thirty years and produced a child who by all accounts is amazingly well-adjusted and who loves her parents.
GET OVER IT!!
JJ, you forgot the rape. Remember: "You'd better put some ice on that"?
Rape? I don't know what your talking about. Unless, you mean how Kenneth Starr and henchmen tried to virtually rape Clinton. It didn't work. His popularity soared the more his inquisitors turned the thumb screws.
Prag, Bill Clinton raped Juanita Broaddrick. While he was sticking it to her, he bit her on the lip until it bled. After he was finished with his victim and was leaving the room, he told her, "you'd better put some ice on that." It's a know fact Bill Clinton is a rapist, regardless of whether solon believes it or not.
Its not a fact, its a sad myth, propagated ONLY by the most braindead, brainwashed and ignorant of the zombie inhabitants of Planet Wingnut. When was he prosecuted for rape again? Oh he wasnt? So thats just you talking out of your ass again right? Rent a brain cell Gump.
Maybe because there WAS no rape you slanderous moron. Cough up Clintons conviction or even indictment on a rape charge. Or if its just throw around baseless slurs time what about YOUR prediliction for molesting small furry animals?
Perhaps Midwesterners may not like dunderheads like Chris Matthews.
People who are about his age, race, religion and from the same geographic area as Chris don't like him much either.
..besides the fact that Tommy Thompson is such a has-been, why is he even running? They couldnt talk Lamar Alexander into taking another shot at it?
Chris Matthews is so retrograde in his thinking- he cant talk about people who live in cities without referring to them as "tough Irish boys, tough neighborhood kids" (the kind he's either read about, or used to watch from the window of his bedroom, I guess) and he is constantly shooting off obscure, archaic references to equally obscure politicians who have been dead or retired for thirty years, apparently in an attempt to show off his Amazing Political Brain, but more to the effect of revealing how incredibly irrelevant he is.
As to his obvious obsession with "Hillary" (NEVER Senator Clinton,) I'm convinced Matthews asked her out once decades ago, got turned down, and never got over it. Let's remember that Matthews is a failed politician himself- I think 99 percent of his crap comes from overwhelming career envy directed at both Clintons. He just cant understand why they are so successful, and he couldnt even get himself elected to Congress. So he has to tear them down at every opportunity.
What's wrong with this man?
"Macho' states? The Deer Hunter?
Has it slipped his mind that women have the vote?
And, since he gets his ideas about the midwest from old movies, it might comee as a surprise to him that the Upper Midwest is heavily urban, with substantial minority populations, and most of us don't even own plaid hunting jackets.
Talk about thinking in stereotypes...
Why does this man have a teevee show again?
What, you mean that the Northwest isnt just millions of acres of dense forest and lakes? Next thing you'll be telling me is that the East Coast cities arent tough Irish kids and tough Polish kids playing stickball with baseball cards jammed into their socks, or Pennyslvania isnt one big steel mill, or the South isnt miles of dirt roads with ramshackle cabins and people wearing straw hats!
And women have the right to vote? As Matthews might say, "HA!" I'm sure Matthews has referred to "the girl vote" before.
Matthews is just a clueless dunce who loves to hear himself talk so much, I dont think he's let a guest finish a sentance in five years.
Speaking of.... the last time I remember a politician goin' huntin', it, uummm..., it...well, let's just say that drinking and hunting caged quails don't always go well together. Remember, safety is no accident.. it's more like those lost kids on the milk cartons we used to see- gone forever...
jjamele,
That was not only funny...but right on the button!
PBG,
Chris loves stereotypes, and we all know what kind of people love stereotypes. They are either lazy people or simpletons who need to have a world that is simplistic and predictable. I think it gives them some kind of comfort.
Don't suppose Matthews noticed that Park Ridge, IL is in the mid-west.
I like how he made Thompson's interview all about Hillary. This dude is completely obsessed w/ her.
Tommy Thompson is completely wrong in claiming the second ammendment is about having a gun and going hunting in Wisconsin, or anywhere else. The second ammendment is about the ability of citizen's defending themselves against their own government going bad and giving the tools to defent the constitutional right. In the second sentence " we hold these truths to be self evident that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator to certain unaliebla rights "
Correction- second sentence of the Constitution. In my humble opinion, that is what gives you the right to go hunting with your gun.
I've been trying to be strong and avoid the digs at physical appearance here, but every time I see Thompson, all I can think is "Wow, Ed Grimley has really put on some weight".
Of course Midwesterners don't like Hilary. The only people she attracts are aging female hippies still clinging to the Equal Rights Amendment, the National Orginization for (some) Women, religious abortion fanatics, trial lawyers and effeminate men. She's going to go down in flames (assuming she even wins the nomination.)
I don't know where you got your demographic stats, but I think the religious abortion fanatics and effeminate men are mostly Republicans.
Right, HB. It's republicans who worship at the altar of aborted babies. And San Francisco is full of republicans. You've got 'em figured out.
I've never heard of anyone worshipping aborted babies, but the only people I've met who are religious and fanatical about abortion are conservative.
I live in a very conservative county, and have heard from many men that they voted for Bush because he made them feel safe. That seems effeminate to me.
And I have no idea what the number of Republicans in SF has to do with your claim that effeminate men make up a large part of H. Clinton's base.
HB, You've "heard from many men" who said Bush made them feel safe? You're hanging out with the wrong "men", HB.
said before, I live in a very Republican area, and I ask people why they vote that way.
No Republicans worship on the alter of getting Americans killed in useless morally unsupportable wars, and starving children.
I don't normally post just enjoy reading MM everyday. But gotta take issue with your post DVDBOOKER. I live in Illinois and I am far from a radical feminist: I am a housewife who does crafts for a living. I married a great guy who provides for me and I do all in my power to make him happy. Very traditional relationship.
I would love to see a woman become President and will vote for Hillary (although I also love Obama!!!!) It is misguided and wrong for you to assume only radical females with vote for Hillary....we all will. I know in my heart almost every female in this country when they enter the voting booth will vote for her regardless of there politics. It is long past time for our society to evolve from being ruled by only white males!!!!!
GO HILLARY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Well I'm glad to see non radical females such as yourself are voting with your heads instead of your boobs. She's a female. The issues are not important. That makes me feel better. Obama should just quit the race now, since you all make up the majority.
I 'm not blessed with the mind-reading abilities demonstrated here so often by Republicans, but I'm betting that dawnisis was saying that women would be open to voting for HRC regardless of their politics, not that they would automatically vote for her.
Forget the mind-reading abilities, HB. Why don't you try just plain reading? Dawnisis likes Obama but will vote for Hillary because she's a woman. It's important for people like her to make a "statement." Issues can take a back seat.
If that's what she's saying, I think she's wrong. I know plenty of women who hate Hillary and wouldn't vote for her no matter what her positions.
Now we're making some progress, HB. I would have no problem whatsoever voting for a woman if she was the best candidate. Ferraro and Chisholm weren't exactly aligned with my views.
... don't tell me I bet Ann Coulter is aligned with your views. What a dream ticket Ann Coulter- Netw Gengrich in any order.
That's rather presumptuous of you, isn't it Lynn?
But a pretty safe bet.
No she DIDNT say that perhaps you ought to try READING her posts not wishing its content were what you want it to be she says she ALSO loves Obama not that she agrees with him MORE but will vote for Hillary anyway. That is YOUR SPIN.
That would make an excellent campaign slogan for Hillary!!!!!
Everytime a female hears the slanderous remarks by Matthews and his ilk it is only human nature that a female will put herself in Hillarys position and see how awful and sexist what you "men" are doing to her because it is you who will vote with YOUR privates because you are afraid of females!
That would make an excellent campaign slogan for Hillary!!!!!
GOT BOOBS?? GOT HILLARY 08
A good commercial would be to put cite YOUR posts and say surely you arent as ignorant and misogynist as THIS moron. HE votes for Newt.
Dawn, thinking people don't vote with their genitals. It's sad that you will be but that's your right. It's a fallacy that men would never vote for a woman. There has never been a woman worth voting for. If there ever is, I'd consider her but I'd never vote for someone based on their "plumbing." Hopefully you'll come to your senses.
"It's sad that you will be but that's your right."
She never said any such thing. More slander from the slithery cons.
Statements like "Hopefully you'll come to your senses" reveal your true belief that you are superior to those who disagree with you. It is perfectly sensible to have opposing viewpoints, different ideas and be equaly intelligent, equally patriotic etc. Different is not bad, got it? Grow up.
He knows he's not superior. The irony of cons is that behind their macho bluster they are really insecure human beings. It takes far more balls to be a liberal than a conservative. They know that and lash out.
You're right, Prag. I'm absolutely not superior. Nobody is. I just think it's foolish to vote for someone based exclusively on their gender.
She never said she would. It was just another strawman.
Pit, Is it sensible to vote for someone because she's a woman?
And hopefully one day you will at long last come across some little grey cells to go with the cotton candy between your ears. Most likely it WONT happen but hope springs eternal.
... how do you vote with your boobs?
Gently, my dear.
Gently...
I am unhappy to see conservatives keeping up their tradition of abject stupidity, moronic attacks on decent people and overall churlish behavior. Perhaps someday conservatives like YOU will somehow score a brain cell but I wont hold my breath. Your astonishing ignorance is a discredit to your party, heck to our entire species. Go play with the other challenged children. You are out of your league here. Of course YOU would be out of your league in kindergarden.
That's "kindergarten" you little genius, you.
Gee, I misspelled a word, I throw myself on the mercy of the court. When YOU have put a SHRED of insight, or information or in ANY way shown a trace of higher brain function in a single post get back to us. Until then the shortbus wont wait forever.
There you go again, solon. Making fun of people who aren't perfect like you. I'd rather have a conversation with anyone on a "short bus" than to spend 2 nanoseconds with the likes of you.
Of course you would. Cons are used to bullying their opponents by talking over them or cutting their mic, ala O'Reilly. It would be much easier if we were all complacent and sheepish, wouldn't it. Sorry.
You snivelled that I misspelled a word NOW you are snivelling that I am pickinig on people that arent perfect. Please maintain a minimum level of coherence in your snivelling. Its becoming sad and pathetic.
No, solon. What's sad and pathetic is you "pickenig" on people who you consider to be inferior to you. You know, solon, people on the "short bus" as you put it. We all know who you're talking about, solon and you know what? I personally know the kinds of people you're "pickenig" on and you aren't fit to wipe their behinds.
I am a poor typist so what. Yes I am picking on YOU. For your ignorance and your ongoing moronity. Its not my fault you are dumber than dirt. Its not my fault you have no functioning cerebral cortex. It isnt m fault you project your vast inadequacies on others. You are a worthless poster. Why dont you leave your mothers basement and go outside and play a while. When you see that big yellow shiny thing that gives light and warmth, dont be afraid of it or worship it. When you grow up get back to us. As for who YOU think is worthy to wipe peoples behind I will defer to the vast experience you must have with the only job you were ever qualified for.
dawnisis2721,admit it- that husband of yours is a post-op transexual, and those "crafts" you make are Bush effigies.
Otherwise you're destroying the magical little world dvd has been swaddled in.
Careful, HB. Your effeminate side is showing.
I'll bet my effeminate side could beat two of your masculine sides in a cage match.
Really, I don't even know what that means. I'm not so scared of women that I didn't go into hyper-he-man woman hater mode?
I'm not sure what you mean either. Let's call it a draw.
Ideas don't penetrate past that brow ridge?
Let's not.
We know exactly what you mean. You've been running your mouth and doing an online version of "marking your territory" all day. We get it, you're a ballsy kind of guy, you know, a man's man.
We've been inundated with your kind for a few weeks now. We've had video game warriors and keyboard commandos up the ass. All talk and nothing to back it up with. Typical Neo-Cons, with emphasis on the cons.
We get the picture. You'd sooner slit your wrists than admit you have a feminine side.
What's this "we" stuff worrier? I wasn't addressing you. And why are you so angry? Go take a nap or something.
He's not angry. Another narcissistic con who thinks they somehow could get our cackles up. Keep dreaming. The last time I checked, anyone can respond to anyone else's posts.
Careful booker your MORON side is showing, wait, thats the only side I have ever seen in your posts.
Glad to hear you have a great marriage Dawnisis but what you write is truly sad. Why would any woman (or man for that matter) vote for Hilary strictly because she is a woman? I thought, I guess naively, that people had enough sense to vote for the person they believe to be the best candidate, not to make some "statement" that society has "evolved." How truly sad.
If you really believe that then why would people like Matthews keep bringing up Hallary's "shrill voice which reminds you of your X wife"????
How is that not an obvious scare tactic towards men to make them vote against Hillary just because she is a woman?
Go lecture the men about voting against her because of her sex instead of lecturing me for voting for her because of her sex!
DAWNISIS (may I call you Dawn?), I couldn't care less what Matthews says about Hilary. My opinion of her has nothing to do with her gender. It has everything to do with her politics and her cut-throat nature. I could say the same thing about any number of male politicians. Gender has nothing to do with it. I don't know anyone who won't vote for Hilary because she's a woman but I know a good number of people, male and female, who refuse her brand of politics, her vicious nature (how's that forehead, Bill?), her vindictiveness, and her hunger for power. Her shrill voice is just the icing on the cake.
Hillary's voice the icing on the cake? Awww. How nice. You think she's sweet.
Like fingernails on a chalkboard.
You're right. Voting based on gender is dumb, but voting based on voice makes all the sense in the world.
You sure are antagonistic, Prag. Why don't you go take a nap too? Come back when you're not so crancky.
"You sure are antagonistic, Prag. Why don't you go take a nap too? Come back when you're not so crancky." = I have no response.
You're an idiot, why dont YOU look into adult education then get back to us.
You really are a simpleton, aren't you Prag? It's Hilary's politics (can you spell HilaryCare?), her vindictiveness, her absolute quest for power, her complete dishonesty and transparent phoneyness that are the real problems with Hilary.
can you spell HilaryCare?), (dvd)
Yeah, two "L"'s. Don't mention it.
You commented on her voice. You must think it's a factor.
Powermad. Vindictive. Phony. Dishonest. Sounds like a good deal of politicians to me.
So far you have only assailed generic character flaws. In fact, thse same flaws you outline could be attributed to the current president.
You did mention her politics though, what are her politics, DVD? What is it about her stance on the issues that you disagree? Remember thinking people vote with the issues not with their genitals. So do tell what are the issues?
Like fingernails on a chalkboard.
Weak, man. Really weak. If you're going to play along, at least know what the game is. If you don't understand it, watch the others to learn, because most of us don't have the patience to tutor.
DVD, I don't know you and you don't know me, but I do want to explain why I would vote for a woman for President "just because she is a woman".
I will do it for my great-grandmother and her mother and all of the women of my ancestry who were denied the right to vote. I will do it for the daughter I may one day have and for all the daughters that belong to others. For the 5 year old girl now in school and how different her life will be with the knowledge that one day she really can be President.
You think my vote "with my boobs" meaningless. I think it means everything. Belittle me, whatever, it doesn't matter. Like I said before I know in my heart the women of this country will be proud to have a woman President and I think Hillary is more than qualified for the position.
And to clarify an earlier statement I love Obama and would vote for him as well. I am pleased that there will be 2 outstanding candidates from the Democratic Party for President and for the first time in a long time I feel hopeful for the future of this country. I see nothing in the Republican Party anymore. I once considered myself a Republican but never again.....talk about vicious, hate, deception, death, division. It's over and it's never coming back around again.
GO OBAMA AND HILLARY!!!!!
There you go, Pragmatic Liberal; from the horses mouth. Would you like to take back your charge that I "slandered" Dawn? A simple apology will suffice.
DVD, I think your constant suggestions that other posters are angry or cranky, or that they need a nap, is sounding like the 3 year old screaming "I'm not tired!!-YOU take a nap!!".
I had to leave work during your earlier posts, but I'm going to wish you sweet dreams.If that sounds hysterical, angry or cranky to you, lie down some more.
Please, HB, tell me honestly that Prag and Solon don't sound angry and bitter. I haven't seen one post from solon that had any substance. He/she is darned good at hurling vicious, hate-filled insults though. Prag isn't much better. Oh, I think it was you that pointed out Hillary has two Ls. Thanks.
I don't get angry. If I did, you'd get what you want. My job is not to convince you. You are beyond hope. The judge of both of us are the people who view this site but don't comment. I'm 100% confident that such a person reading our arguments and the weak, petulant, and sophomoric responses by the cons will see that we have logic on our side. That's why your insults will continue to be ignored, along with your persistent use of the descriptor "cranky". I know that cons want liberals to fit the "Why can't we all just get along?" stereotype. You won't find many here. Instead, you will find proud liberals who embrace liberalism and are aware of the important role liberalism has played in almost every positive social change in this country. Cons are stuck in the past and will always be trying to catch up.
You assume facts not in evidence. This is all amusing for me. I post plenty of substantive posts just not to jr high morons who come in here and attack US. YOU have called us simpletons, attacked Dawn, condescendingly told other posters to take naps and several other personal attacks. NOW in typical crybaby conservative fashing its WAAAHHHH, stop treating me the way I treat YOU. WWWAAAAHHHHH only us conservatives get to be rude, its not nice when you liberals return serve. You do realize you are pathetic right?
So you're telling me that Hillary could potentially win the White House with the "aging female hippies still clinging to the Equal Rights Amendment, the National Orginization [sic] for (some) Women, religious abortion fanatics [whatever that means], trial lawyers and effeminate men."?
No, Loonz. I said she would "go down in flames" trying.
No, Loonz. I said she would "go down in flames" trying.
There are polls showing she is beating the leading republican candidates or within striking distance of them so you are saying she could win with "aging female hippies still clinging to the Equal Rights Amendment, the National Organization [sic] for (some) Women, religious abortion fanatics [whatever that means], trial lawyers and effeminate men."
Some woman tell you your size is a small?
Now that's real lady-like, pearlene. Are you always so crude?
Think you hit a nerve, Pearlene. Some young lady must have told dvd he was "real lady-like", before putting her clothes back on and leaving.
Why shouldnt she be you deserve it, by the way are you ALWAYS so ignorant?
Maybe someone else could use a nap. Get Daddy to read you a story from "The Project For A New American Century".
Night, night.
Just honest. You seem to have issues with all thing related to woman and power. In my 72 years men who have issues with woman in power lack several things. I just asked it one of those things lacking was size.
Pearl, For the record, I greatly admired Magaret Thatcher and I think Dr. Rice is a brilliant woman. Where you get the idea that I have "issues with woman [sic] in power" is beyond me. You sound a bit hysterical about the subject but if you're really in your seventies, you should be long past "that" time in your life, if you get my drift.
YOU sound a bit ignorant for a five year old. Why dont you go play with the other challenged children?
Like the only people Bush attracts anymore are morons, warmongers, and hatespewing cretins
Let's not forget the bedwetters and the droolers.
That last string of posts sure was enlightening. I had heard MMFA was frequented by people full of hate and anger and that the site was pretty much a waste of time if you wanted to dialogue with thoughtful people. You guys proved it. Have fun swimming in this cesspool. Late.
If you dish it out, you've got to be prepared to take it.
You've been pretty condescending and juvenile calling people here cranky, aging hippies etc. We responded in kind. If you need to have your opinions re-inforced stop off at Freeperville or LGF before you go in for your nap. Or does your school blocks sites like those?
Let me translate from wingnutese. WWWAHAAAHHHHH, I want to be the ONLY one that gets to insult people. I heard there were patsies here at MMFA by the neantrathals who post on Freepersewer. Its not fair that you guys hit back, WWAAAAHHHHHH, us crybaby conservatives hate it when anyone treat us the way we treat them, WWAAAHHHHH, I dont like it I am going to get my mommy to find me a website with people dumber than me where my posts arent shredded and when I get frustrated by those nasty facts an logic I can insult people who wont insult me back, thats just mean. WWAHAAAHHHHHH
Exactly right. The cons here (with a few exceptions) make the mistake of believing the stereotypes of liberals they've tried to foist on the rest of the nation. That dog don't hunt. Here's some stereotype busters about me:
- I've never done an illegal drug
- I'm heterosexual
- I'm not a Birkenstock yuppie or green freak
- I've never been involved with an abortion
- I've got two young children
- I'm middle-class
- I supported the war in Afghanistan
- I had no ill feelings toward Bush when he was elected
- I grew up in a small rural town surrounded by conservatives
The nation, as a whole, is socially liberal and shade conservative on defense and the death penalty. That's a fact. Luckily, we're reclaiming the word liberal and restoring its original meaning, not cowering from the grotesque distortion of our values that the cons have constructed.I had heard MMFA was frequented by people full of hate and anger and that the site was pretty much a waste of time if you wanted to dialogue with thoughtful people.
And what would constitute thoughtful dialogue?
Of course Midwesterners don't like Hilary. The only people she attracts are aging female hippies still clinging to the Equal Rights Amendment, the National Orginization for (some) Women, religious abortion fanatics, trial lawyers and effeminate men. She's going to go down in flames (assuming she even wins the nomination.)
- dvdbooker1959
Translation: I only want to play if I get to win otherwise I start to cry. And I'd rather be a misogynist someplace where I am accepted.