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UPDATED Timeline: A week in the life of Imus in the Morning

April 12, 2007 6:00 pm ET
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On April 12, following MSNBC's announcement the previous day that it would no longer air simulcasts of the Imus in the Morning radio show, CBS -- which owns both the show's home radio station and the show's syndicator, Westwood One -- announced it would cease broadcasting Imus in the Morning due to host Don Imus's description of the members of the Rutgers University women's basketball team as "nappy-headed hos." In announcing the decision to fire Imus, CBS president and CEO Leslie Moonves, stated: "From the outset, I believe all of us have been deeply upset and revulsed by the statements that were made on our air about the young women who represented Rutgers University in the NCAA Women's Basketball Championship with such class, energy and talent." Moonves added: "Those who have spoken with us the last few days represent people of goodwill from all segments of our society -- all races, economic groups, men and women alike."

Media Matters for America has prepared the following timeline documenting events from Imus' slur of the Rutgers team on April 4 to MSNBC's announcement on April 11:

Wednesday, April 4

  • On Imus in the Morning, host Don Imus referred to the Scarlet Knights, the Rutgers University women's basketball team -- which is made up of eight African-American and two white players -- as "nappy-headed hos" after executive producer Bernard McGuirk called the team "hard-core hos." Media Matters for America noted Imus' comments at the time.
  • The New York Times later noted that "Imus's remarks were picked up ... by the Media Matters for America site," and Salon.com's Jonathan Miller similarly credited Media Matters for posting video of Imus' comments. In an article about MSNBC's decision to drop the show, the Los Angeles Times identified Media Matters as "the liberal media watchdog group that first spotlighted Imus' remark last week." USA Today also reported that Media Matters "originally called attention to Imus' remarks."

Thursday, April 5

  • Addressing his "nappy-headed hos" comment, Imus asserted, "I don't understand what the problem is, really," and referred to the remark as "some idiot comment meant to be amusing," as noted in Miller's April 10 Salon article.
  • WNBC.com, the NBC affiliate in New York, reported Imus' April 5 comments in an article the same day, which quoted a Rutgers spokesperson saying, "We agree with Mr. Imus that this was, in his own words, an 'idiot comment.' We are very proud of the success of the Rutgers women's basketball team. Coach [C. Vivian] Stringer and the Rutgers players are outstanding ambassadors for this great institution."
  • MSNBC released a statement that asserted, "While simulcast by MSNBC, 'Imus in the Morning' is not a production of the cable network and is produced by WFAN Radio." It added, "As Imus makes clear every day, his views are not those of MSNBC. We regret that his remarks were aired on MSNBC and apologize for these offensive comments." The statement was noted in an article published at 3:26 p.m. ET on NBC10.com, the website for the NBC affiliate that serves the Philadelphia area.

Friday, April 6

  • Imus apologized on Imus in the Morning, asserting, "Want to take a moment to apologize for an insensitive and ill-conceived remark we made the other morning referring to the Rutgers women's basketball team," and adding, "It was completely inappropriate, and we can understand why people were offended. Our characterization was thoughtless and stupid, so, and we're sorry." Media Matters noted Imus' apology at the time.
  • The National Association of Black Journalists (NABJ) released a statement calling Imus apology "too little too late." NABJ "appreciates the swift action from NBC and its cable channel MSNBC in condemning his remarks, and now hopes the network will continue to do the right thing and separate itself permanently from the incendiary host."
  • According to an Associated Press report, "NABJ President Bryan Monroe asked Thursday if Imus had 'lost his mind' and called for the veteran radio host's dismissal." In an additional statement on the NABJ website, Monroe expanded on his call for Imus' dismissal: "Those comments were beyond offensive. Imus needs to be fired. Today." In the statement, the NABJ also called on "journalists of all colors to boycott his show until he acknowledges and apologizes for his damaging remarks." The AP report also noted several other statements condemning Imus:
  • WFAN: "We are disappointed by Imus' actions earlier this week which we find completely inappropriate. We fully agree that a sincere apology was called for and will continue to monitor the program's content going forward."
  • Statement of NCAA president Myles Brand and Rutgers president Richard McCormick: "The NCAA and Rutgers University are offended by the insults on MSNBC's Don Imus program toward the 10 young women on the Rutgers basketball team. ... It is unconscionable that anyone would use the airways to utter such disregard for the dignity of human beings who have accomplished much and deserve great credit."
  • Statement by Stringer: "To serve as a joke of Mr. Imus in such an insensitive manner creates a wedge and makes light of the efforts of these classy individuals, both as women and as women of color. It is unfortunate Mr. Imus sought to tarnish Rutgers' spirit and success. Should we not, as adults, send a message of encouragement to young people to aspire to the highest levels as my team did this season?"
  • Philadelphia Inquirer columnist Phil Sheridan and New York Daily News columnist Filip Bondy wrote columns condemning Imus' remarks. Bondy stated: "Imus should be fired for it today -- actually, yesterday -- just as the National Association of Black Journalists demands." The Web entries of those columns are dated April 7, but the Nexis database shows their publication dates as April 6.

Saturday, April 7

  • In a rally at the National Action Network (NAN) headquarters in New York City, Rev. Al Sharpton called for Imus to be fired.
  • In a column titled "Sorry Excuses: MSNBC's Form Apology," Washington Post columnist Lisa de Moraes wrote: "MSNBC, meanwhile, continued to say in a statement it wanted folks to know that 'while simulcast by MSNBC, "Imus in the Morning" is not a production of the cable network and is produced by WFAN Radio.' MSNBC also wanted to make sure you know that 'as Imus makes clear every day, his views are not those of MSNBC,' adding, finally: 'We regret that his remarks were aired on MSNBC and apologize for these offensive comments.' " De Moraes added: "This is not the first time MSNBC has had to apologize for comments made by Imus on its air, not by a mile. Which explains why various organizations were pretty dismissive of yesterday's apologies. Media watchdog group Media Matters of [sic] America noted the comments are 'just the latest in a long history of racial slurs made on the show by Imus, his guests, and regular contributors.' "
  • New York Times reporter David Carr noted, "Imus's remarks were picked up on the Web, in this case by the Media Matters for America site (mediamatters.org). And by Friday, both his radio and television outlets were getting out 10-foot poles."

Sunday, April 8

  • In another Daily News column, "CBS' call on Don hinges on dollars not sense," sports columnist Bob Raissman argued that "Imus' fate will be based on one, and only one, issue -- money." Noting that CBS Radio syndicates Imus in the Morning to stations across the United States, Raissman claimed "there is no way [Leslie] Moonves [president and CEO of the CBS Corp.] will cut off the flow of Imus cash -- even if he is repulsed by his radio star's warped comments." But, Raissman added, "They will dump Imus in a second if this episode leads to companies -- en masse -- deciding to to [sic] stop advertising on the 'Imus in the Morning' show."
  • The National Organization for Women (NOW) sent out an "Action Alert" that originally asked readers to send a letter to WFAN, CBS, and MSBC. After MSNBC and CBS Radio announced a two-week suspension for Imus, the "Action Alert" stated: "Two Weeks is Not Enough." NOW promoted the alert with a link saying "It's Time to Dump Don."

Monday, April 9

  • New York Times reporter David Carr previewed Imus' April 9 show, and said that Imus "fills a demand for serious discussion on contemporary radio so that the journalists and politicians pushing an agenda or a book don't have to get in line behind the strippers at Howard Stern's show. So who is left to hold Mr. Imus accountable?"
  • Imus said that he "learned" from this incident that "you can't make fun of everybody because some people don't deserve it."
  • Newsweek editor Howard Fineman told Imus: "[I]t's a different time, Imus ... it's different than it was even a few years ago, politically," and added that "some of the stuff that you used to do, you probably can't do anymore." Fineman continued, "I mean, just looking specifically at the African-American situation. I mean, hello, [Sen.] Barack Obama's [D-IL] got twice the number of contributors as anybody else in the race," and added, "[T]hings have changed. And the kind of -- some of the kind of humor that you used to do you can't do anymore. And that's just the way it is." Fineman also said, "[A]s David Carr said in The New York Times this morning, sometimes you go over the line so far you can't even see the line. And that's what happened in this case."
  • Former Boston Globe columnist Tom Oliphant introduced himself to Imus by stating: "Good morning, Mr. Imus, and solidarity forever, by the way."
  • On the radio show Democracy Now! Rev. Al Sharpton said, "I'm calling for Imus to be fired." On the same program, NOW-New Jersey President Maretta Short said NOW was "asking for people to go to our website and take action by sending messages to" WFAN, CBS Radio, and MSNBC, adding: "I think that it's important to say, about these apologies that Imus is supposed to make, there's certain things you can't apologize for."
  • Rev. Jesse Jackson led a march of "about 50 protesters Monday outside NBC offices in Chicago," according to the Associated Press.
  • Media Matters called on members of the media to question MSNBC's apparent double standard -- quickly firing host Michael Savage for anti-gay hate speech in 2003 while failing to punish Imus for years of inflammatory commentary.
  • On Fox News' The Live Desk, Marvin Kalb, lecturer in public policy at Harvard University's Kennedy School of Government and a senior fellow at the school's Joan Shorenstein Center on the Press, Politics and Public Policy, noted Imus' charity work and said Imus could make "an even larger statement about himself, his own value system, if he simply resigned."
  • Imus appeared on the Rev. Al Sharpton Show with NABJ president Bryan Monroe.
  • Rutgers University President Richard L. McCormick wrote that Imus' "shocking comments last week were despicable and deeply hurtful to our students, our coach, and their families. ... We will continue to speak out and to make clear that the university will not tolerate such uncivil, irresponsible, and offensive behavior."
  • NAACP chairman Julian Bond said in a statement, "It is past time [Imus'] employers took him off the air."
  • The Washington Times reported that "Hall of Famer Cal Ripken [ Jr.] canceled an appearance on Don Imus' radio and television program scheduled for later this week because of comments the talk show host made about Rutgers' women's basketball team."
  • On CNN's The Situation Room, Sharpton said about Imus: "[W]e want him fired."
  • NBC News and CBS Radio both announced they would suspend Imus for two weeks, beginning April 16.
  • Reporting on Imus' suspension, the CBS Evening News and ABC's World News described Imus as "outrageous," "provocative," and "inflammatory," but did not note that Imus in the Morning has a history of racial slurs.
  • In response to the announcement of Imus' suspension, Media Matters released a statement in which Media Matters spokesman Karl Frisch said: "This appears to be nothing more than an effort by NBC News and CBS Radio to make the controversy go away. They must take responsibility for continuing to air Don Imus after years of similarly bigoted language."
  • Media Matters senior fellow Paul Waldman appeared on MSNBC's Scarborough Country to discuss Imus' comments.

Tuesday, April 10

  • NABJ's Monroe goes to New York to meet with executives of CBS and NBC.
  • At a press conference, members of the Rutgers women's basketball team criticized Imus, but said they would meet with him and hear his apology. Later that evening, on Fox News' Special Report with Brit Hume, Weekly Standard executive editor Fred Barnes said that agreeing to do so had been "one huge mistake," and that the team had "acted like victims."
  • Imus, discussing the two-week suspension on his radio show, said that "there's a lot of stuff that we can do, but at some point, I stop playing." Imus added that he doesn't "deserve to be fired" but that he "should be punished." He ended the segment by saying, "I'm not whining, because I don't feel as bad as those kids feel, and I've said that several times. But, I'm not going to play forever."
  • In contrast with the contrition he purported to express the day before, Imus asserted on his own show and on NBC's Today that the phrase "nappy-headed hos" "originated in the black community." Specifically, he stated, during a discussion -- simulcast on MSNBC -- with Today co-host Matt Lauer and Rev. Al Sharpton that "I may be a white man, but I know that ... young black women all through that society are demeaned and disparaged and disrespected ... by their own black men and that they are called that name." Sharpton objected to Imus' point regarding the origin of the phrase, saying, "We have said that we are against the degrading that is done even by blacks. ... Wherever he says this originated from does not give him the right to use it." After the discussion concluded, Imus claimed on his program that Sharpton had misrepresented his remarks. Imus asserted that he did not say that he "should be cut slack because these young women are disparaged and demeaned and disrespected by young black men and others in their own community," but he also did not explain the significance of his repeated assertion that "nappy-headed hos" "originated in the black community."
  • USA Today ran two articles on the controversy. The first, on page 1D, summarized the previous days' developments. The article also reported several opinions on the controversy's future direction, including that of Media Matters:

Critics also are targeting Imus' high-profile guests, including presidential candidates and network anchors. "To the extent that Imus' pattern of offensive speech is being discussed in the media now, it could put pressure on the authors, pundits, politicians and journalists who go on his show regularly to either publicly distance themselves from his behavior or risk being seen as having legitimized it," says Karl Frisch of Media Matters for America, which first publicized Imus' remarks last week.

The second USA Today article, on page 3D, reported that Imus "finds himself on a new playing field" in the controversy, because of "watchdogs, aided by the Internet, [who] are shifting the boundaries for radio and television personalities." The article cited Boston University journalism professor Tobe Berkovitz, who was quoted as saying that "'Before the Internet and the blogs, if the mainstream media didn't call you accountable, the tree fell in the forest and no one heard it." Media Matters was also quoted in the piece.

  • In a New York Times op-ed, PBS host Gwen Ifill wrote how, in 1993, when she was covering the White House for the Times, Imus reportedly said, "Isn't The Times wonderful ... It lets the cleaning lady cover the White House." Ifill wrote that she didn't find out what Imus had said until a New York Daily News columnist reported it five years later, when she was working for NBC News as a Capitol Hill correspondent. She also wrote: "Why do my journalistic colleagues appear on Mr. Imus's program? That's for them to defend, and others to argue about. I certainly don't know any black journalists who will."
  • Congressional Black Caucus (CBC) chairwoman Rep. Carolyn Cheeks Kilpatrick (D-MI) issued a statement: "Mr. Imus' public apology is not enough. I am calling for the immediate termination of Mr. Imus and his executive producer Bernard McGuirk. Additionally, I urge the Federal Communications Commission (FCC) to mandate sensitivity training and a zero tolerance towards racist, sexist, anti-religious, and other discriminatory commentaries."
  • Staples and Bigelow Tea announced that they would no longer advertise on Imus' program.
  • On MSNBC's Countdown, host Keith Olbermann reported that Procter & Gamble had "suspended its advertising commitments" for MSNBC's Imus simulcast. Olbermann also reported that "the media buying agency Carrot USA says some of its clients have asked for their commercials to be pulled from the Imus program, though it would not identify those clients." Bloomberg reported that "Procter & Gamble Co. ... pulled its ads from MSNBC's entire daytime rotation last week to prevent spots from rotating onto Imus's show."
  • On April 10, following the Rutgers women's basketball team's press conference, the Feminist Majority Foundation sent an email to its members, asking them to "join feminists everywhere by expressing your outrage to CBS radio and MSNBC television over Imus's comments, and demanding that he be fired." The letter from Feminist Majority president Eleanor Smeal declared: "As we celebrate the 35th anniversary of Title IX this year, such behavior against women athletes and their accomplishments cannot be tolerated. As women's sports continue to grow in popularity, and young women enjoy opportunities that the women's movement fought so hard to win, this kind of backlash is threatening to our rights as well as hurtful."*

Wednesday, April 11

  • The New York Times reported that General Motors had "stopped its [Imus] radio ads (though it still broadcasts TV commercials with the simulcast)" before Imus' remarks about the Rutgers basketball team. But The Wall Street Journal reported on April 11 that General Motors, "which has historically advertised on both the Imus radio show and MSNBC broadcast, has 'no plans to make any changes at this point,' according to a spokeswoman."
  • Later in the day, another New York Times article reported that "General Motors and American Express said today that they, too, will pull their advertisements from his program."
  • Reuters reported that GlaxoSmithKline and Ditech.com would also pull their advertising. Ditech.com is owned by GMAC, in which General Motors holds a minority stake.
  • Reuters also reported that Sprint Nextel Corp. said on April 11 that it was pulling its ads from the show.
  • Advertising Age reported that PetMed Express had dropped its Imus in the Morning advertising.
  • CBC member Rep. Stephanie Tubbs-Jones (D-OH) said, "I feel the apology and subsequent suspension of Mr. Imus is insufficient in resolving this matter. Mr. Imus has a history of making offensive remarks on the air and I am calling for the immediate termination of Mr. Imus and his executive producer Bernard McGuirk."
  • The AP reported that "Bruce Gordon, former head of the NAACP and a director of CBS Corp., said Wednesday he hoped the broadcasting company would ... fir[e] radio talk-show host Don Imus."
  • In an April 11 posting on Time magazine's Swampland weblog, Time.com Washington editor Ana Marie Cox announced she wouldn't "be going on Imus anymore." In a subsequent posting on April 12, Cox further explained her position, stating that she "did the show almost solely to earn my media-elite merit badge." Cox explained that initially, after having been "invited inside the circle," she "was thrilled to be there," but soon "found" herself "succumbing to the clubhouse mentality that Imus both inspires and cultivates." She added: "I'm embarrassed to admit that it took Imus' saying something so devastatingly crass to make me realize that there just was no reason beyond ego to play along." Cox concluded: "My giving up the show, I acknowledge, is too little and too late. I doubt that I'll be missed. It's depressingly easy to find female journalists who will tolerate or ignore bigotry if it means getting into the boys' club someday." *
  • MSNBC announced its cancellation of Imus in the Morning simulcast. CBS officials stated that CBS Radio "will continue to speak with all concerned parties and monitor the situation closely."

* This entry was added as part of an update, after the item's original posting.

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    • Author by steeve (April 11, 2007 10:58 pm ET)
         

      For all you "free speech" nutjobs out there, the Constitution does not grant the right to be broadcast to millions.

      Imus is not going to jail, he's not going to court, and he can continue issuing racial epithets.  Only now fewer people can hear them.

      Now if we can just convince advertisers that liars are bad too...

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      • Author by NL207 (April 12, 2007 10:24 am ET)
           

         

        Nor does the Constitution give the government at any level to decide what will or will not be broadcast! 

        "Congress shall make no law ... or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press ..."

        Since you found Imus so offensive and deem that he should be silenced, just how do you feel about images of Crucifix immersed in a beaker of urine or a portrait, ostensibly of the Vigin Mary adorned with elephant droppings being broadcast as they were several years ago?

        Perhaps you might give some thought to the daily radio broadcasts of hip hop "music" performed by gangsta thugs disguised as musicians; music containing such uplifting lyrics as "

        "That uncut base, they'll be back like Ma$eTake it to the kitchen, whip it, watch it come back like New editionBricks... I got 'em lower than them, The nigga that sold it to youI sold it to the nigga that sold it to him"  by Ludacris.

         Where is the outrage at all this?  Or do you hypocritical lefties reserve your outrage for PC speech offenses only?

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        • Author by worrierking (April 12, 2007 10:52 am ET)
             

          When will you clowns ever be satisfied. For years, you've been telling us, Imus is one of US. For years you've telling us to police ourselves.

          Well, he's one of us. he stepped over the line, we will not defend him.

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          • Author by leatherhelmet (April 12, 2007 5:47 pm ET)
               

            So why is MMFA not calling for the resignations of Hillary Clinton and Joe Biden?

            Their jokes were equally as racist as Don Imus.  And Biden is a multiple offender.

            David Brock is a hypocrite.

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            • Author by kla92ttr86534 (April 13, 2007 7:59 pm ET)
                 

              Imus has a history of offensive remarks. This isn't just about the latest offensive remark. It's a 'collective body' of offensive remarks. Both he and his wife are arrogant and deserve exactly what has happened to them. How would the 'I-man' feel if someone referred to his wife as a 'bleached blonde whore'? Or his son as a 'fat little troll'? He'd be horrified. He's out of touch, living in mansions, riding in limos and flying in private jets. He deserves to be off the air, and I hope he fades away permantely.

               

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        • Author by BLR (April 12, 2007 11:21 am ET)
             

          "Nor does the Constitution give the government at any level to decide what will or will not be broadcast!"

          Your point is what, again?  Imus was pulled from TV by (1) the sponsors of his program and (2) the TV station. Not the government. I'm not sure what you're ranting about, unless you're now saying the FCC should have no power of censorship over the airwaves, which I personally DO agree with.

          There's nothing more annoying than listening to a good song and having to deal with the 'radio edit' version.

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        • Author by Blue Fielder (April 12, 2007 11:49 am ET)
             

          Yet another OMG POLITICAL CORRECTNESS CE3NSORSHIP OMGZ LIBERALZ HATE FREEDOM troll.  Yet another reason why I need to be able to flag comments.  Yet another reason why people like you lost the election.

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          • Author by leatherhelmet (April 12, 2007 5:48 pm ET)
               

            Yet another leftist who wants to install speech codes.

            With a 40 percent approval rating, we will have Congress back shortly.

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          • Author by stayconservative (April 13, 2007 9:11 pm ET)
               

            Yet another person feigning a superior attitude with nothing but hate in the center of it all.  Flag your own black Heart while you're at it!

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        • Author by BarryGoldwaterConservative (April 12, 2007 12:25 pm ET)
             

          NL I somewhat agree.

          I am leftist myself, but I must disagree with many of the liberals on this site regarding Imus. His statements were of course vile, but I do not believe the punishment suits the crime. The two week suspension seemed good enough for me. I don't necessarily blame MSNBC, but the sponsers to his program, as they were the ones calling for his resignation.

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          • Author by valentinian (April 12, 2007 1:48 pm ET)
               

            No, they were simply deciding where they want to put their advertising dollars. It was the free market at work.

            I personally don't see any reason to take him off the air, but if CBS decides to terminate his contract, I am sure he will find an outlet on Sirius/XM or somewhere.

            Really, turning this into a free speech issue is a bit much. Where were all you guys when Donahue got canned? 

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            • Author by leatherhelmet (April 12, 2007 5:49 pm ET)
                 

              What until people start pressuring the sponsors, it works both ways.

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        • Author by steeve (April 12, 2007 1:32 pm ET)
             

          "how do you feel about images of Crucifix immersed in a beaker of urine or a portrait, ostensibly of the Vigin Mary adorned with elephant droppings being broadcast as they were several years ago?"

          I feel that those aren't mass media. 

          "Perhaps you might give some thought to the daily radio broadcasts of hip hop "music" performed by gangsta thugs disguised as musicians"

          I have to be Black to be able to comment on that.  Sorry, it's the law.

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    • Author by DorisRussell (April 11, 2007 11:10 pm ET)
         

      Thank you MMFA

      The outstanding documentation by MMFA on this story was the leading reason MSNBC is no longer a house of hate. But why did MSNBC wait this long? Why did many of their personalities go on this hate show? Why was this on for 11 years?

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      • Author by Andra (April 12, 2007 11:45 am ET)
           

        Because those personalities don't hold themselves to ANY level of accountability.  They aren't squirming about their responsibility for getting us into Iraq, either.  They allow themselves to know only what they want to know. 

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      • Author by Chromium (April 12, 2007 11:55 am ET)
           

        Doris,

        MSNBC remains a "house of hate" since it still broadcasts the schadenfreude-filled Keith Olbermann show.

        As to why MSNBC simulcast Imus:  NBC already has the Today Show with its mix of hard news, human interest, and entertainment.  Their CNBC cable channel nominally handles the business news, but at times has had infomercials in the morning.  Just a little bit above that has to be telecasting an existing radio show. 

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        • Author by BarryGoldwaterConservative (April 12, 2007 12:27 pm ET)
             

          Keith Olbermann= house of hate?

          Doubt it... He has a different view then FOX SNOOZE so now he is a hate monger?

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          • Author by Chromium (April 12, 2007 1:03 pm ET)
               

            He has a different view then FOX SNOOZE so now he is a hate monger?

            Barry,

            Since he works for a competitor of Fox News Channel, Keith Olbermann is entitled to have a "different view" than either the news anchors or show hosts.  Like I said, he is filled with shadenfreude, and THAT is why he belongs in the hate column.

            By the way, since it probably will not show up anywhere else around here, last night KO interviewed Jesse Jackson, and during the interview, Jackson made the comment that there were no blacks on cable news channels after 3 o'clock.  KO properly added that his substitute host is black, but conveniently omitted the fact that Harris Faulkner is the main news anchor at the evening Fox News breaks and another person of color, Juan Williams, is a regular on the Brit Hume show, also on Fox News.

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            • Author by therick (April 12, 2007 1:43 pm ET)
                 

              "Shadenfreude"  -- A German word meaning to take pleasure in someone elses pain.  How about some examples!  Yes, I had to look that one up, because us non-Nazis aren't very good at German. It will be entertaining trying to see how you will prove what you believe Olbermann is feeling.

               

              Harris Faulkner, on some nights, does the 2 minute segment in between the barrage of hate speech from Hannity, Hume, and O'Reilly.  Big deal.  Juan Williams is the token "Liberal" voice brought on to spar against the ignorant Hume.  He's there to be the voice of reason while Hume answers; "Oh, Juan, that's just silly."  I've heard it many times.

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              • Author by Chromium (April 12, 2007 3:21 pm ET)
                   

                Rick,

                Schadenfreude is listed as a regular word in Webster's Collegiate dictionary, so you did not have to look very hard.

                It is interesting that in response to MMFA's bit about Imus problems due to his offensive language, you make a crack about non-Nazis.  Why don't you look up Godwin's Law on Wikipedia?  Earth to Rick:  You can know the German language without being a Nazi.

                Back on Olbermann and schadenfreude--Look at this and try to tell me the term does not apply:

                http://theblogwarrior.blogspot.com/2004/10/keith-olbermann-offers-makris-99000.html

                KO was also gleeful at the initial report of the detention of Rush Limbaugh at the Florida airport.  And KO takes joy in the various missteps of President Bush and his family.

                 

                 

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                • Author by valentinian (April 12, 2007 3:44 pm ET)
                     

                  I am continually stunned at how common the false equivalence defence is among you guys. I mean, do you all have regular seminars or something?

                  I'd appreciate it if you could help me understand the equivalence between Olbermann and O'Reilly's little feud (which I personally find childish) and a media personality calling some teenage girls dirty prostitutes. 

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                  • Author by leatherhelmet (April 12, 2007 5:56 pm ET)
                       

                    Maybe KO posing in a Bill O mask doing a nazi salute gives you a hint.

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                  • Author by Chromium (April 13, 2007 12:15 pm ET)
                       

                    Valentinian:

                    Instead of "hate", let's try the word "stupid".

                    Many people are stupid.  Dan Quale was considered stupid by some since he criticized a TV show without seeing it.  Yeah, that is not bright.

                    Other people are big-time stupid, like the guy who went on a robbery spree with a mask, then posted his picture, mask, and robbery details on his My Space Internet site, reported by Shep Smith last night.

                    Both are stupid, but to different degees.  There is not much equivalence. 

                     

                     

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                • Author by therick (April 12, 2007 4:24 pm ET)
                     

                  Okay, I went to the site, and I now am waiting for proof that Olbermann enjoys seeing others in pain.  I nailed it when I said it would be entertaining to watch you try to prove what KO is feeling.

                  http://www.m-w.com/cgi-bin/dictionary?va=schadenfreude

                  No, the word is not (as you described) regular.  It is a German word, not English.  The correct spelling is also at this link.

                   

                  No, I did not call you a Nazi, however, I did mention that I was not a Nazi.  You keep trying, I'll keep debunking.

                   

                   

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                  • Author by Chromium (April 13, 2007 12:07 pm ET)
                       

                    Rick,

                    By any chance do you also post as Easy to refute wingnuts?  Your sense of "success" is similar to his/hers.

                    1.  Regarding the Bloggerman posting:  How do you interpret it?  As a serious, sincere piece?  Come on!

                    2.  According to the source I cited, Webster's Collegiate Dictionary (Mine is the "Ninth New" version), schadenfreude is on page 1050 right between "sceptre" (Brit var of scepter) and "schedule".  So it is as "English" (language) a word as "schedule" is, and more "American" than "sceptre".

                    3.  Cut and paste time:  Where did I say you called me a Nazi?   Whoops!  Not that good at debunking, are you?

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                  • Author by Chromium (April 13, 2007 12:17 pm ET)
                       

                    Rick,

                    Me again.

                    Thanks for the information on the correct spelling of schadenfreude.

                    Help me now---Who spelled it incorrectly?

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                    • Author by therick (April 13, 2007 5:43 pm ET)
                         

                      In respectful answer to your references above: 

                       

                      1) It's obvious that you consider the Bloggerman post to read that KO takes pleasure in someone elses pain.  My point is that this can never be proved by anyone but KO.  You don't like him, fine.  I realize how hard it is for you guys to admit (even when cold hard facts stare you right in the eyes) to being wrong.  No problem.

                       

                      2)  I linked you to Webster online, and it said that it was a German word.  I've never heard of it--but I'm not a walking dictionary.  I sited the web page where it could be found.  I don't happen to have a Ninth New Version to reference it.  I checked a couple of other online Dicts., and found the same thing.   

                      3) I never said / that you said / that I called you a NAZI.  (I put the slashes in there because it was getting a bit confusing)  I'm well aware of the old game where the first person to call the other a Nazi loses.  I simply wanted to be clear, since it read to me that there might have been a little confusion by what I wrote (which sometimes happens during written conversation).

                       

                      Q: "Help me now---Who spelled it incorrectly?"  A: YOU, in your second posting of it.  You spelled it correctly the first time, incorrectly the second, and then implied that the word meant 'house of pain.' 

                       

                      Very good at debunking aren't I ?       ;-)

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                      • Author by Chromium (April 14, 2007 7:20 pm ET)
                           

                        Rick gets one point:

                        I did one time leave a "c" out of schadenfreude. I saw his bold shadenfreude but missed my own mistake.

                        As to the "Nazi game": You have got to be kidding me! It is clear that you tried to set ME up, and I did not fall for it.

                        Now on to reading people's minds, which some of us call "reading comprehension".

                        Freude means joy, and Olbermann was clearly joyful, happy, not regretful, etc. in his offer to pay O'Reilly's accuser. I would think that anyone would be able to see that: One half of schadenfreude.

                        Now, is this a shared joy, with the other major player involved, Mr. O'Reilly? Of course not! It is mean spirited. It is what gets clumsily translated into English as bad or evil joy.

                        Therefore I conclude that in this case Olbermann was filled with schadenfreude.

                        Another example, from Brock. I do not remember the exact details, but it goes something like this: Rush Limbaugh related a news item about a female protestor who did not want certain trees logged. I believe she intended to stay up in this tree for 2 full years. About 2 weeks shy of those 2 years, she fell to the ground and died. Rush Limbaugh joked about how even though she was trying to save the tree, the tree did nothing to save her. Brock highly criticized Limbaugh for his meanness, insensitivity to the pain of the woman's family, her children....

                        In one simple word from the German language, Rush was being accused of schadenfreude. I think it applies in this case with Rush and the repeated Olbermann references. It is a form of hate.

                        Have a joyful weekend.

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      • Author by MickD (April 12, 2007 12:31 pm ET)
           

        Doris, given your comments on this site every day, Imus is down, almost out. If only now Keith O. can suffer a similar fate, you can safely watch pundritry on TV once again. Victory!

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      • Author by stayconservative (April 13, 2007 9:16 pm ET)
           

        Dear Doris,

        I await your personal judgement on all humanity to guide us forward.  May we all gather at your feet and listen to your next praise of MMFA?  The temple needs your glow to illuminate us.

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    • Author by holly (April 11, 2007 11:23 pm ET)
         

      This pleases me. 

      I've been scooting through the Intertubes assaying the country's reaction.  Lots of folks are railing at the unfairness, the unfairness, for black rappers use such language and aren't held accountable!  Of course, black rappers don't get to chat with presidents, presidents-to-be, and ex-presidents.  Most importantly, misogynistic black rappers aren't kingmakers, which Imus has been, to some degree. 

      With great power comes great responsibility.  Both Peter Parker's Uncle Ben and the Bible say that. 

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      • Author by factsrstubborn (April 12, 2007 12:51 am ET)
           

        Holly, here's an important distinction to keep in mind:  The rapper's lyrics, though horrible and offensive, are not attached to specific individuals.  Thanks to Imus' comments, these wonderful young ladies must bear a burden for the rest of their lives.  Everyone they meet from now on who hears of their heroic basketball achievement will think "oh that's right... she was on that Rutgers team... that Imus called "nappy-headed hos".  For the REST OF THEIR LIVES.

        That is the difference.

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        • Author by holly (April 12, 2007 8:37 am ET)
             

          factsrstubborn, that's a good point.  I'll extend it:

          Whereas Imus targeted the Rutger's women's basketball team, millions of American black women heard the loathing of those who don't conform to Euro-standards of hair.  And millions of women heard his loathing of women, no matter how accomplished those women might be.  In the end, women are still ho's.  Always ho's.  

          And Imus was paid to hate, to broadcast without discipline and to feel superior to so many millions. 

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          • Author by worrierking (April 12, 2007 8:57 am ET)
               

            Welcome back, Holly. We missed you.

            I agree with you and Facts. Imus has stepped over the line one too many times. Many people have been saying that he was just being funny, or playing a character. It doesn't make any difference. He attacked these young women. And for once he's being held accountable.

            My favorite author, Kurt Vonnegut died yesterday. In his book, Mother Night written in 1962 he said:

            "We are what we pretend to be, so we must be careful about what we pretend to be."

            I think that line sums up Imus's situation.

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            • Author by valentinian (April 12, 2007 12:09 pm ET)
                 

              Yeah, Holly, welcome back! We missed you!

              We got attacked by flying monkeys last night! After Brock posted his statement on Imus, it got linked on some wingnut website somewhere, I guess... cause within a few minutes we had all these new commenters no one had ever seen before! They were all posting things like "I am cancelling my subscription to this newsletter" and acting like they were "liberals" and stuff. It was cool! There were people who wrote in all caps and people who called us "fascists" and one guy who was really creepy scary.

              Anyway, yeah, welcome back... 

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              • Author by worrierking (April 12, 2007 12:28 pm ET)
                   

                One guy who was "creepy, scary" last night?

                I went to bed early last night, must have been someone else.

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                • Author by valentinian (April 12, 2007 12:30 pm ET)
                     

                  It was this guy who psoted something rambling about LITTLE BLACK BOYS BEING KILLIED WHILE STILL ALIVE. Oddly, that stayed up but capslock Linda got scrubbed. It was a weird night. I felt like doing shots.

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              • Author by mr. l (April 12, 2007 1:37 pm ET)
                   

                What web site???? I wanna play, too!!

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              • Author by Lynn (April 12, 2007 2:16 pm ET)
                   

                It was like some mental assylum opened the doors and failed to administer ample doses of thorazine to the patients before giving them MMFA's web address and sending them to an internet cafe. It was all the way live yesterday.

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              • Author by holly (April 12, 2007 5:02 pm ET)
                   

                Thanks, King and Val.  I've been very, very busy, but it's good to be back!

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            • Author by HuntingtonBeachLefty (April 12, 2007 12:26 pm ET)
                 

              King, I hadn't heard about Vonnegut.Sad. I remember  a looong time ago asking my dad, as he was reading a KV novel, if that's where he got my first name. (Unusual choice for a Mick, not Pat nor Mike), and he told me no, he got it from a Nazi he met in WWII.

              He was an old BSer too.

               

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              • Author by MHK (April 12, 2007 12:31 pm ET)
                   

                The freaks come out at night? 

                The CAPS LOCK I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE ENTER KEY IS FOR queen was the worst...  My eyes are still hurting

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                • Author by valentinian (April 12, 2007 2:34 pm ET)
                     

                  Dude... she had the best line of the night before it got scrubbed:

                  THE REASON IMUS WAS TAKEN OFF OF TELEVISION WAS IN THE INTEREST OF POLITICAL CORRECTNESS PLUS HE'S NOT THAT EASY TO LOOK AT.

                  I mean, you can't make up stuff this good. I am still half-convinced that her shtick is performance art a la Kauffman and Savage... 

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          • Author by BLR (April 12, 2007 11:24 am ET)
               

            A Note: Imus is still paid for it, just a little less than before.

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    • Author by Taz (April 11, 2007 11:47 pm ET)
         

      Hey MMfA don't break your arm patting yourself on the back just yet.

      All the big guns are still alive and well despite your continuing posts about them.

      Imus's ratings were down, MSNBC is probably thrilled to have any excuse to drop the old geezer.

      Let's see you bag a Limbaugh, then you can pat yourself on the back and it will mean something.

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      • Author by HuntingtonBeachLefty (April 12, 2007 12:22 am ET)
           

        Side-splitting post, Taz. Great grasp of the subject. Really, amazingly off target. 

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      • Author by dave_chicago (April 12, 2007 1:04 am ET)
           

        --"MSNBC is probably thrilled to have any excuse to drop the old geezer."--

        Yeah. So thrilled that it took a full week for them to cut Imus loose, genius.

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      • Author by Blue Fielder (April 12, 2007 8:48 am ET)
           

        Do you ever post anything relevant?

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    • Author by sportsguydave (April 12, 2007 12:22 am ET)
         

      Hey Taz:

      Screw you.

      When all else fails, go to the "ratings" card. Pathetic.

      Last I checked, pro wrestling gets great ratings too.

       

      Pathetic.

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      • Author by HuntingtonBeachLefty (April 12, 2007 1:05 am ET)
           

        I almost forgot;

        Over 1 billion served.

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      • Author by sasami (April 12, 2007 4:10 am ET)
           

        Bill Clinton enjoyed quite a bit of popularity for awhile there. Does that mean Bill Clinton is better than George W. Bush?

        No, it doesn't. He just is better.

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    • Author by soros (April 12, 2007 5:11 am ET)
         

      Thanks a lot media matters.   Now MSNBC will hire Glenn Beck's evil twin brother to fill the open spot.

       Ya, that's the good twin on CNN :-P

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    • Author by aataxi1093 (April 12, 2007 6:16 am ET)
         

      I believe it was the dollars that MSNBC was worried about. I also heard that from a taxi driver in State College PA.

      http://www.taxistatecollegepa.com

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    • Author by ar (April 12, 2007 7:06 am ET)
         

      any of you guys feel that this really isn't worth this much attention? Sure, MMFA did its job with reporting this issue, and it has no place in public discourse, but don't you feel that this isn't really the issue or the media figure you'd want the mainstream media to focus on?

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      • Author by valentinian (April 12, 2007 11:57 am ET)
           

        For me, personally, I am really glad the issue got such prominent play. Not really because of Imus himself, or what he said... but because the issue turned over a big rock and exposed all these attitudes about race among my dear fellow Euro-Americans that I was really not that aware of.

        Whites seem to be just sick and tired of having to be nice to the uppity, touchy blacks all the time. The number of people I have come in contact with that see no problem with what Imus said has really blown my hair back... and I live in California.

        I have lost a lot of faith in the future of race relations in this country. And that doesn't make me happy... but I think it is good to understand things as they are. I had blinders on.

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        • Author by MickD (April 12, 2007 12:36 pm ET)
             

          Agreed, Val. The so-called "superior" attitude of white America lives on with a lot of our population living the quiet desperation of their frustration toward not being "able" to express their hatred freely.

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          • Author by stayconservative (April 13, 2007 9:27 pm ET)
               

            hey mickd

            Seems like hate is alive and well right here at the front door to hell -oops! the stoop of MMFA.

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        • Author by MHK (April 12, 2007 1:04 pm ET)
             

          I have to agree.  I spent most of the week shaking my head in dismay.  It really saddens me that I had to have a discussion with some of my family members about why it isn't funny to degrade women.  Instead of acknowledging that it was just wrong, I got a steady stream of excuses (similar to the ones that we keep seeing from posters on this site)

          I really think that some of the folks who enjoy Imus are upset and defending him because they don't  want to be associated with being passive about, supporting or laughing at these sexist/racist comments.  It's easier to make excuses and try to down play the comments instead of taking stock of their own issues and feelings on these matters.

           

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    • Author by bruce1ace (April 12, 2007 7:54 am ET)
         

      After reading all the outrage about Imus the past week around here, I swear he must have killed somebody. 

      Actually, that wouldn't have generated as much outrage.

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      • Author by holly (April 12, 2007 8:44 am ET)
           

        bruce1ace, the outrage isn't just about Imus.  It's about Coulter and Savage and Limbaugh too.  It's about profligate tongues that profit from ungated hate. 

        Regarding death, how much hope do you think the professional hatemongers have killed?  Coulter talks about killin'.  Then she smiles and cashes the checks.  Savage delights in the death of queer citizens and is rewarded.  And so on.  And decent people who believe in life and the pursuit of happiness witness their hatred and their consequent wealth and those decent people despair.   

        And it isn't just hope that the hatemongers kill.  I suspect that some hate crime killings could be traced to Coulter's lips and Savage's tongue. 

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        • Author by bruce1ace (April 12, 2007 8:58 am ET)
             

          Holly: I suspect that some hate crime killings could be traced to Coulter's lips and Savage's tongue. 

          Yes, I'm sure you do, Holly.  And probably the people committing these crimes want you to believe that THEY are the victim, that THEY have been brainwashed by the likes of the "Axis of Evil" that is Limbaugh/Coulter/Savage. 

          But the reality is that these criminals will do what they do, and they alone are responsible for their own actions.

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          • Author by aDifferent McCain (April 12, 2007 9:45 am ET)
               

            Don't even feel like debating on this issue anymore, since I've posted about it nearly hundred times, Bruce.

            But for those few who have not read it before: Hate Speech causes Hate Crimes. And a number of sources support this claim. (FBI, Southern Poverty Law Center, etc.). And if you believe that these sources are far too liberal, do some research on your own about hate crimes and those who commit them. (example: every time gay marriage is debated in a state or in the federal government and the language of those in power turns vile, soon after there is a notable spike in the number of violent physical hate crimes against gays and lesbians.)

            I don't have time to pull all the research (finals coming up), but this is a place to start (I believe, like I said, no time).

            http://www.fbi.gov/research.htm

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            • Author by tommy (April 12, 2007 11:19 am ET)
                 

              People who committ hate crimes are responsible for the hate crimes they committ.  

              "I heard somebody on the radio say that gay people are evil, so darnit, I think I am going to go out and committ a hate crime against one".........if that sounds logical to you?  How absurd.

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              • Author by worrierking (April 12, 2007 11:38 am ET)
                   

                You're right,Tommy. People who commit hate crimes are responsible for the crimes that they commit.

                But, no one is born to hate. It's something we acquire. It must be taught. Unfortunately there are plenty of teachers today. The teachers must share some of the blame.

                In the large city where I grew up, you were an odd ball if you were not a racist. Thank God that's changed. But, there are still die hard people who cling to their racist beliefs. I've always argued with my racist friends and relatives, but can't get through to them.

                There are still parents teaching children to hate. There are still people in the media who teach hatred. Thankfully, most who hear these messages don't act on them. But I do know for a fact that some do act on them. I know them. Some are friends and relatives. Some friends have acted on their hatred and served prison sentences for their crimes. they deserved every minute of prison time if not more. So did their parents, who are still racists to this day.

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                • Author by tommy (April 12, 2007 11:50 am ET)
                     

                  Worrier,

                  I have no disagreement with what you are saying.  Of course, there are racists and hatred being taught and preached every day.  Parents who pass on their ignorant bigotry to their children happens, regrettably.  Even some in the media live off their invective and bigotry, sadly.  

                  But in a society that values freedoms as we do, including speech - it is one of the downsides of those freedoms, I believe.  We obviously cannot monitor what parents teach their own children, or punish them somehow for instilling hatred into their hearts.  As for the media, the parameters are far and wide about what is lawful - look at some of the filth spewed by certain "artists" in today's society, in records and movies.  And talk show hosts with their warped opinions.

                  But the responsibility has to lie with those that committ crimes and act on their hatred - every crime can be essentially traced to some abnormal anomoly from their past or some reason why they did, what they did......but if we start alleviating people from their actions due to some outside influence, it only breeds more irresponsibility and less accountability.

                   

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                  • Author by valentinian (April 12, 2007 12:15 pm ET)
                       

                    I agree, people should be held responsible for their actions, including people who say hateful things on the public airwaves.

                    The irony of this to me is that it would have been a perfect conservative/libertarian issue... if it didn't involve blacks. If a black talk show host went on the air and called the other team "stringly haired sl*ts" I believe the outrage on the other side would be deafening, with boycotts and high dudgeon from Bill Bennett and all of that.

                    This issue was even resolved by the market rather than by the government. The guys over at Cato must be high-fiving each other all over the place.

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                    • Author by tommy (April 12, 2007 12:19 pm ET)
                         

                      Val, 

                      I don't know how you are defining outrage - but I have not heard anyone, left or right, condone what Imus said.  Everyone has said it was a hideous racial slur, completely unwarranted and uncalled for.  It was.

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                      • Author by valentinian (April 12, 2007 12:35 pm ET)
                           

                        Tommy, many people in comments here said it was "just a joke." A lot of people of my acquaintance said "the blacks" are just being touchy, offered up the "rap music defence" and otherwise minimised a public figure's calling college freshmen dirty prostitutes.

                        I didn't want Imus pilloried, and I won't celebrate if he does get fired, but I am very uncomfortable with those that think this type of rhetoric should play as humour. 

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                        • Author by tommy (April 12, 2007 12:54 pm ET)
                             

                          Val, 

                          Of course there are people who think that.......but by and large most reasonable people agree that it was a racially charged slur.  The disagreements mostly come from how much attention this has received, his punishment, if any, and the different standards that people judge this versus similar comments made by others in the culture.  Those are all fair discussions to have.

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                          • Author by valentinian (April 12, 2007 1:36 pm ET)
                               

                            I don't know how it breaks down percentage-wise, but the fact that there were any rational, normal (at least, I thought they were) people in my social circle who thought there was nothing wrong with Imus's comments was shocking to me, and indicative of how far we really have to go in this country.

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              • Author by BLR (April 12, 2007 11:38 am ET)
                   

                No one's saying they aren't.  The point is that there are others who are responsible for contributing to a culture in which crimes against certain types of people are acceptable in certain social circles.

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              • Author by Conchobhar (April 12, 2007 12:27 pm ET)
                   

                So under what circumstances do you find a hate crime logical?

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                • Author by tommy (April 12, 2007 12:43 pm ET)
                     

                  If you're directing your question at me, please clarify?  It makes no sense.

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                  • Author by Conchobhar (April 12, 2007 1:39 pm ET)
                       

                    "No sense?"  How harsh!  Obviously it made some sense, or you wouldn't have realized it was directed at you.  It was more snide than clear, though, and I regretted posting it as soon as I clicked.

                    My point, which I tried and failed to make with a zinger (not my strength), is that a hate crime is, by definition, emotional rather than logical.  I was also implying that I dispute the logic of your position.  History is full of riots, burnings, murders and lynchings that followed demagogic speeches (often made by men with the title, "Reverand)", even if those speeches contained no specific call to action and the speechmaker was home sipping tea as the outrages occurred.  Would you say that the demagogue bore no culpability?  Perhaps I misjudge you, but I think not.

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                    • Author by tommy (April 12, 2007 1:47 pm ET)
                         

                      People, specifically adults who have not been diagnosed with certain mental disorders,  are solely responsible for their own words and actions. If you knowingly commit a crime, you are accountable for it.  If I hire you to commit a crime, then I am also responsible.  However if you choose to act because of some hateful words that came from my mouth, you are responsible for your actions.........as am I for the words I have spoken, and actions I have taken.

                       

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                      • Author by Conchobhar (April 12, 2007 2:15 pm ET)
                           

                        I think we're in basic agreement, but indulge me:

                        Do you think the Pope at the time, and history, are correct in judging Henry II responsible for the murder of Thomas Becket, when all he did was rant, "Will no one rid me of this troublesome priest?"

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          • Author by holly (April 12, 2007 5:06 pm ET)
               

            Bruce, do you also believe that Thomas Paine played no part in the American Revolution, since words don't affect action?  Did the Gettysburg Address not reframe the Republic?  Neither "Common Sense" or the "Gettysburg Address" were law, but people smarter than you and me argue that they were catalytic. 

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        • Author by tbrett (April 12, 2007 12:10 pm ET)
             

          Lots of folks are railing at the unfairness, the unfairness, for black rappers use such language and aren't held accountable!  Of course, black rappers don't get to chat with presidents, presidents-to-be, and ex-presidents.  Most importantly, misogynistic black rappers aren't kingmakers, which Imus has been, to some degree--Holly

          Holly, I wouldn't minimize the effect that some in the hip-hop culture have had on this generation.  If you get a chance (and you want to) take a look at this article.  I always like to "hear" your thoughts.

           http://www.kansascity.com/182/story/66339.html

           

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          • Author by holly (April 12, 2007 9:24 pm ET)
               

            Thanks for link, TBrett.  Yes, I think gangsta rap is repugnant and perpetuates systemic inequity, but I stick by my original assertion that Imus didn't hang with his homies.  He hanged with the masters of the Universe and needs to be held to a higher standard.

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      • Author by dave_chicago (April 12, 2007 9:43 am ET)
           

        Yeah. All this outrage over a just a little bit of racism and bigotry. It's not like those are issues of importance to anyone.

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    • Author by monknj80 (April 12, 2007 8:47 am ET)
         

      Truth be told, if he got fired so be it. He's an adult and people have been fired for far less. That being said I wish more pressure was put on the Limbaughs and Savages of the world, they are far worst.

       

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    • Author by gallia_gal42 (April 12, 2007 8:53 am ET)
         

      NBC is touting its high standards as the reason for firing Imus. So who did they have on the show this morning? None other than the plagiarizing fabulist MIKE BARNICLE!! They even let him host shows on MSNBC. Apparently they no longer allow racism, but journalistic malfeasance is A-OK.

      BernieO

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    • Author by lovethebomb (April 12, 2007 9:57 am ET)
         

      Ok Imus is a bad racist meanie, blah blah. He had on a lot of libs and lefties and harshly shredded this facist administration on a regular basis too. I suspect there was pressure to can the guy for a long time; just like Donahue right before the invasion/colonization. Not excusing the guy, but we just lost one of the only broadcast voices who spoke the truth about these facist war criminals who have mass murdered half a million innocents for war profits - and the resource rape has not even yet begun! So far, the american taxpayer has been the rapee. If we want to get righteous about sexism : how about how all the right wingers went after Pelosi when she finally did the adult thing and began some diplomacy with Syria? They brought up just about every sexist trope imaginable, calling her diplomatic mission a "play date" and scorned her for wearing a scarf. Many called for her to be HUNG! Traiter, treasonous, ect. Why is there no call for those right wing sexist bigots to be fired? They were attacking the speaker of the House, third in line with epithets, a far more significant outrage than insulting college basketball players. But now they are insulated from criticism by the backlash this crucifixion of Imus will/has generated. Thanks a lot MM! Great Job! NOT!

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      • Author by Conchobhar (April 12, 2007 11:24 am ET)
           

        You make some good points, LtB, but there is one important distinction that you ignore.  Nancy Pelosi is Speaker of the House, third in line for the Presidency.  She freely chose to make a career in the no-holds-barred political arena, and she's been remarkably successful, which tells you a number of things about her.  One, she knows how to fight, and two, she's got skin like a rhino.

        She was also attacked for actions she took.  Some of the invective was personal and sexist, but that's the way the game is played.  I would say most of that comes from the right, but I'm sure Tommy would disagree.  On the scurrilousness meter, it was pretty tame, not nearly sinking to the level of foulness that Bush/Rove reached against John McCain.  As you might remember, that turpitude won Shrub the 2000 primary in one of the Carolina swamps, I've forgotten which one.  Slander and libel been part of our politics since the election of 1800, if not longer, which is one of the reasons that Washington warned against "faction," or party politics.

        These young women, on the other hand, were made the butt of a racist/sexist joke, simply because of their race and sex, coupled with the fact that they'd done something newsworthy.  A person, like Imus, who has the power of a national microphone, should use that power more responsibly.  He's made a very good living out of curmudgeonly misanthropy, and he may very well be a pussycat philanathripist underneath it all.  But he crossed a solid line in this case, and is being held to account, by the marketplace.

        Personally, I find it much more troubling that Bill Maher lost a gig for saying something that is logically unassailable.

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        • Author by spooky3 (April 12, 2007 1:39 pm ET)
             

          I don't agree. Pelosi's being a public figure in no way justifies the use of gender based slurs, regardless of her own ability to slough off or respond to such slurs.  When a woman is attacked on the basis OF HER GENDER it is inappropriate, AND it attacks ALL women since they share the same gender.  Pelosi's actions are fair game just as anyone's public actions are fair game, for responsible criticism.  But if she were in a workplace and her boss attributed her actions to her being female when they clearly aren't, for example, she would have grounds for a discrimination suit--for good reasons.  It is the same principle here.  The Rutgers players are not the only innocent victims of sexist and racist speech.  Those comments (and the whole body of other comments uttered by the same group of idiots) attack millions of women and minorities, just as do sexist comments about Pelosi or racist comments about Obama, for example.

          I think the more fundamental point is that two or a thousand wrongs do not make a right, as our parents taught us long ago. Just because a lot of other people engage in sexist, racist, or othewise bigoted behavior does not mean that we should throw up our hands and say, "oh well...I guess if Johnny does it, it's ok."  If we have a clear incident of wrongdoing, we should correct it, and then go after other wrongdoing.

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          • Author by spooky3 (April 12, 2007 1:42 pm ET)
               

            Sorry, I should have written "I don't agree with one of your points."  I agree with a lot of the rest of what you said. 

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            • Author by Conchobhar (April 12, 2007 2:05 pm ET)
                 

              Relax.  I could see from your first post that we agree on much.  You might check my reply to HuntingtonBeachLefty, a few posts down the page, for my views on vitriol. 

              On our point of disagreement, however, I stand firm.  Analogy:  The political arena is like (ok, it's a simile) a hockey rink or fight ring.  While I don't condone extracurricular stickwork on the ice, or headbutting and lowblows in the ring, every athlete knows he's going to confront it when he laces up the skates or gloves.   Politics is also a contact sport, and the higher the stakes, the chippier the play.  Nancy knew that going in.

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    • Author by wesley (April 12, 2007 10:02 am ET)
         

       - Let's see you bag a Limbaugh - taz

      Respones...amazingly offtarget...so thrilled, genius...do you ever post anything relevant...screw you.

       - the outrage isn't just about Imus.  It's about Coulter and Savage and Limbaugh - holly

      Responses...

      LOL...at the pack of hyenas.

       

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      • Author by HuntingtonBeachLefty (April 12, 2007 10:55 am ET)
           

        Taz was comparing the Imus situation to a hunting expedition, and ( as closely as I could determine) , cheerleading for more popular personalities who haven't been "bagged" yet. He also threw in the boring "popularity = quality" line that shows up here on a regular basis from those who enjoy their propaganda.

        Holly mentioned the other names to point out that while Imus may seem insignificant, his story has brought up some "bigger picture" issues.

        Wesley didn't understand the difference.

        If I'm misinterpreting anybody, please correct me.

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        • Author by Conchobhar (April 12, 2007 12:23 pm ET)
             

          Mornin' Lefty,

          Thanks for the codes.  We had some fun with things Irish yesterday, and this whole mess puts me in mind of the Brehon Laws.  In Gaelic Ireland, the Bards were a very powerful, respected and feared class of Druids, capable of confirming a king's legitimacy with their praise singing, or undermining it with satire.  Some of their satire is said to have been so strong that it raised blisters on the butt of their jokes.  This must be true, as it's well known that the Irish don't exagerrate.

          Anyway, one thing they couldn't do, by law, is make fun of something their target couldn't control, such as skin color or hair texture.  The absurdity of what I've just said?  Fair game.  The fact that I stutter?  Out of bounds.

          Now I'd go to the wall for the First Amendment, but I think the ancestors were on to something there.

          Slan

          OK, it's not working.  What am I doing wrong?

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          • Author by HuntingtonBeachLefty (April 12, 2007 12:31 pm ET)
               

            Hold down Alt while you enter the code?.

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            • Author by Conchobhar (April 12, 2007 12:59 pm ET)
                 

              I was doing that.  What I wasn't doing was using the number keypad to the right.  I did exactly what I tell my kids not to do; I asked for help before trying to solve the problem myself.  Sorry to waste your time.  One more click on that sight got me to detailed instructions and, voilá!

              Slán

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          • Author by BLR (April 12, 2007 1:03 pm ET)
               

            "This must be true, as it's well known that the Irish don't exagerrate."

            Okay, you got me.  I LOL'd that one.

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      • Author by Blue Fielder (April 12, 2007 11:54 am ET)
           

        And Wesley scores yet another clean miss with his standard troll post.

        Yawn. 

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    • Author by peghen1428 (April 12, 2007 10:44 am ET)
         

      God Bless Mr. Imus

      He has raised over 300K this morning on his radio thon. Yes he should have been suspended and what he said was disgusting. But MSNBC should not have pulled the plug on him until after friday. They took away monies that could have gone to those charities.  It is an outrage at how political correctness is destroying America. NBC and the Today show with Al Roker (that fraud who has appeared on Imus laughing with him in the past about Hurricanes) complains about Imus, yet his network allows Ann Coutler to go on the Today show and produce vile hate toward the 9/11 Widows.  ABC Greys Anatomy has an actor who uses the F word toward a Homosexual in a disgusting way. Yet Al Roker and NBC said nothing. They did not demand the boycott of ABC.

      God Bless Rosie O'Donnell also, she sees this as a threat to free speech and the more imporant "thought police" I was so proud of her yesterday supporting Imus. The words were bad but whats worse is the hypocracy. MSNBC is the worst a network that allows haters like Tucker Carlson and shows disgusting "documentaries" on prisons . If it was so bad why did they allow Imus to be in for 11 years? Shame on everyone at NBC. Shame on Al Roker he is the worst.

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      • Author by peghen1428 (April 12, 2007 10:51 am ET)
           

        Actually I misspoke , he has helped raise $850K in 4 hours.

        I bet Al Roker has never raised a dime to help children with Cancer. The outrage of the year is happening at NBC where its ok for Ann Coulter to spew vile hate. Disgusting.

         From a segment of an AP Story

        The 18th annual Radiothon began Thursday and runs through Friday. It was one of the reasons the start of his suspension from CBS was delayed.

        Tony Gonzalez, supervisor of the Radiothon phone bank, said volunteers were getting about 200 more pledges per hour than they did last year, and most callers were expressing support for Imus.

        As of 10 a.m., $850,000 had been pledged, he said. Last year's Radiothon raised a total of $2.9 million for three charities — Tomorrows Children's Fund, CJ Foundation for SIDS and the Imus Ranch.

        "We haven't had much of a negative at all," Gonzalez said. "Most of them are very, very supportive, think it's a terrible situation."

        Imus has apologized repeatedly for his comments. He also has said that those who called for his firing without knowing him, his philanthropic work or what his show was about would be making an "ill-informed" choice

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    • Author by lovethebomb (April 12, 2007 11:05 am ET)
         

      Right on PIGPEN. Imus wore the hairshirt, grovelled before Sharpton, went on his apology tour and begged/pleaded for people to look at his vast charitable work and the 50 million he helped raise for the Center for the Intrepid. What has any other radio personality done on that scale? So he slung around an epithet. Heck my grandpa, who was the warmest most caring person I have ever known slung around the N word when he was alive. It was his generation and I overlooked it. One has to look at the whole person and judge righteous judgement. Look at the hate the right spews which results in kill/kill/death/death and the mass murder of brown people based upon a false pretext of lies. That hate speech produced genocidal mass slaughter. The right wing propoganda/noise machine used to be what MM used to be about. This is a disgraceful pollution of it's admirable original goals. It is Imus all the time now. Where are any posts about the nutty things the right said about Pelosi? It just proves that sensationalistic tabloid yellow journalism always trumps even the best organizations. I guess MM fancies itself a neo Drudge report for having 'bagged" a media head the way freepers crowed about sacking Rather. If you want to go headhunting, Imus should have been about 50th on the list of worst perveyors of hate speech. A little balance here.

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      • Author by peghen1428 (April 12, 2007 11:13 am ET)
           

        It is just a disgrace that MSNBC is trying to be high and mighty , even changing the logo to show "diversity". NBC News is a disgusting News Organization. People here complain about FOX, but FOX does is not two faced. They do not support a show they claim now has always been "racist" for 11 years and then turn around and act like they are the pinnacle of diversity. 

        Why was Chris Matthews not thrown off the air for using the term "BareBack Mountain"?

        Why was it ok for Keith Olbermann to offend the Holocaust victims by coming out and doing the hitler salute with a O'Reilly Mask. The  ADL was offended, shouldnt he have suffered the same outrage that now MSNBC and frauds like Al Roker are saying?

        http://www.adl.org/media_watch/tv/20060728-MSNBC.htm

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        • Author by valentinian (April 12, 2007 12:05 pm ET)
             

          I agree that MSNBC is being disingenuous if they are portraying this as a "moral" decision (I don't know, I don't have TV). Why was it moral to have him on their network yesterday morning, but suddenly not by the afternoon. Could it have anything to do with Amex and the other big sponsors pulling their ads yesterday?

          Gee, ya think?

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    • Author by worfeus23749 (April 12, 2007 2:31 pm ET)
         

      Imus was NOT trying to insult those girls and this is a LIE.

      I am all for prosecuting REAL racism, but INVENTING it, and FALSELY accusing someone of it is as bad as the crime itself.

      Imus was trying to say the Rutgers team wss TOUGH, and that he was surprised they lost.

      He was trying to pay them a compliment, and console them on their loss to Tennessee, but it came out wrong.

      LISTEN TO THE VIDEO TAPE!!!

      Do you hear Don Imus saying, “THOSE ARE SOME ROUGH GIRLS”?

      Did you hear him say they had tattoos?

      Did you hear the COMPARISON to the TENNESSEE team, rerferring to them as “CUTE” compared to the big tough Rutgars team?

      Did you hear Bernard play off his “ROUGH GIRLS” theme and call them “HARDCORE HO’S” , which then Imus took and mangled and ended up with the nappy headed hoes comment?

      Did you hear them compare them to AMAZONS? GRIZZLY’S? The Toronoto RAPTORS?

      Did you hear Imus then express his surpise they won, saying “They didn’t want to beat this team” (this was a team you don’t mess with) “but they did”.?

      Did you hear him say “I don’t know if they wanted to beat RUTGERS, but they did”?

       Sharpton is PUSHING racism, not fighting it.

      LISTEN to the damn video again before you falsely accuse someone of racism when there clearly was none intended.

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      • Author by valentinian (April 12, 2007 2:59 pm ET)
           

        Imus was NOT trying to insult those girls

        Who knows? I am not a mind reader and I doubt you are either. One can only judge someone on their actions, and what he did was to call someone's teenage kid a dirty prostitute.

        I guess I would hate to see Imus "try" to insult someone if that is his idea of a compliment... 

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    • Author by wrestlingperspective3465 (April 12, 2007 2:52 pm ET)
         

      Imus has been saying junk like this for decades. 

       

      An example from the '70s.

       

      http://wrestlingperspective.com/imus/ 

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    • Author by ramsquire (April 12, 2007 3:32 pm ET)
         

      To continue the timeline in the week of Imus.

      Thursday, April 12:

      Has helped raise over $1.2 million dollars (so far) for the CJ foundation and the Imus Ranch, to help combat SIDS and Cancer in children.

      Just providing context for the man so many here are ridiculing and insulting.  It is not meant in any to provide some kind of defense for the outrageous, racist, sexist and over the line remarks he made which deserve punishment.

       

       

       

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    • Author by oldhacks (April 12, 2007 3:59 pm ET)
         

      Way to fight for censorship guys. Go team...

       How bout we get glen beck rush ann or somebody with real malice rather then someone who made an off the cuff remark.

       I hate this site now. You guys are NOT for free speach. Imus may have been slightly bigoted but he didnt deserve to be fired for saying "nappy headed". or "ho's". This is an example of extreme liberal bias that does nothing to end racism. In fact now it's going to make major media stay away from ever saying anything reguarding race relations in fear of being fired. Get a life.

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    • Author by Bushwa (April 12, 2007 4:02 pm ET)
         

      After 30 years, you know hip-hop's style and influence has reached a saturation-point when Don Imus employs its slang. Nothing less and nothing more. And child, you know hypocrisy has reached a new threshold (or nadir) when everybody defecates themselves over his having done so.  Meanwhile, GLBT folk are still everyone else's targets, including Americans of African ancestry.  When Al Sharpton apologizes for all of those  "nancy boys" "batty boys" and other slimy slurs that "his people" have been directing  against gay men and lesbian women since time imemorial, then, maybe, I shall give a good God Damn about what Don Imus says about some group of women who run around with other women throwing an inflated sphere into a netted circle.  Honestly, what's it going to take to drop the subject?  "Imus swingin' from a pop'lar tree"? Where is the concentrated, organized hit-squad style public and media outcry when the likes of Tim Hardaway, Michael Savage, or General Peter Pace make denigrating remarks against people of the GLBT community? Why haven't the remarks of these swine resulted in their career suicide, as it seems to have been with Don Imus?  Where is the GLBT's version of entertainer and alleged reverend Al Sharpton?

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    • Author by oldhacks (April 12, 2007 4:03 pm ET)
         

      the reason why this will be attatched to the girls' achievments in sports is because OF MEDIA MATTERS!!!. If you hadnt bloated this slight mishap into a major witch hunt it never would have been combined with their achievements. If you would have just said "Hey that was a stupid thing to say" then it would have passed. But because MEDIA MATTERS made it such an issue its now connected to their achievments. 

       Media Matters tagged this to their achievements not Imus.

       This is censorship in the purest form. way to go.

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      • Author by Conchobhar (April 12, 2007 5:47 pm ET)
           

        "Censorship in its purest form?" 

        Take a deep breath.  It's the vaunted marketplace at work.  Imus lost his MSNBC gig because some sponsers didn't want to be associated with comments that our society has come to find reprehensible.  This potential loss of lucre galvanized the suits at NBC to take their microphone away from Imus.  It just might be that in the free exchange of ideas, the idea that it is humorous, or even acceptable, to speak pejoratively of people simply because of their race and sex, has taken a big hit.  That is hardly censorship.

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      • Author by military_husband (April 12, 2007 6:05 pm ET)
           

        I enjoy the "slight mishap" and the assertion that this was some one time thing. Not true, but keep trying. He has made many a comment and been chastized for them in the past. He has claimed that he would not do this again, and yet here is was doing it again.

         The idea that somehow free speach is being attacked is just plain stupid. He said what he wanted to say and no one stopped him. He now has to pay the price for saying what he wanted to say. If I yelled "nappy headed ho" to someone at my job, I would get fired. And I would deserve to get fired. Yes I have a right to say it, by my employers and those who hear me say it have a right to express thier displeasure. In the case of his boss, that means termination. In the case of the others that heard him that means decrying what a horrible thing it was for him to say (again). Free speach still reigns, but now maybe some will realize that with words come consequences. Say what you will, but don't expect the rest of us to pretend whatever you say is acceptable and not call you on your hateful, sexist, racist nonsense. Good bye Imus, you will not be missed. 

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        • Author by kwar8917122 (April 13, 2007 8:02 am ET)
             

          Your idea of "free speech" is sad.  Thank god your wife is fighting in the military for my rights and not you

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    • Author by ramsquire (April 12, 2007 5:05 pm ET)
         

      To continue the timeline:

      Thursday April 12-- fired from his radio program.

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    • Author by valentinian (April 12, 2007 5:25 pm ET)
         

      Thursday, April 12: Unemployed. On to Sirius.

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      • Author by ramsquire (April 12, 2007 6:18 pm ET)
           

        I just hope all of the people who have called for his head for his statement at least attempt to fill in his place in raising money to help those kids with cancer and to continue the research to stop SIDS.

        It would be a true shame if those kids are the unintended victims of IMus's stupid, bigoted remarks.

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        • Author by valentinian (April 12, 2007 6:35 pm ET)
             

          I really don't think he is going to have any problem earning. But it's true, that would be a terrible unintended consequence.

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    • Author by kwar8917122 (April 13, 2007 8:00 am ET)
         

      This website reads like Nazi propaganda.  So what if Imus calls someone a nappy headed ho.  So what if I think you are all a bunch of dicks.  That is my opinion and I have the right to express it.

      Your just all jealous of what Imus used to have.  Sure you say you hate him, but you want to be him.  You want the media outlet he has to distribute your bullsh*t and since no one in their right mind will out your bullsh*t on the radio, you fight to keep others off it.

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      • Author by stayconservative (April 13, 2007 9:08 pm ET)
           

        Bravo- show these a,s,s,holes who they are really behaving like.  Use the same tools they do to interfere with their machine the way they want to screw with our freedom.  This bunch of haters are the most venom-spewing pukes i've ever seen on the web.  This is the portal to hell!

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    • Author by TammyKatz (April 13, 2007 11:22 am ET)
         

      Bravo to P&G for showing some leadership and marketing integrity in this debacle!   More hurtful than Imus' initial two week probation, they wisely pulled their advertising support.   This was the tipping point for other advertisers, including the reluctant GM, to follow suit.  

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    • Author by Ardbeg10 (April 13, 2007 1:26 pm ET)
         

      Double standards all over the place in this excessive politically correct society.  Why is it that people feel that it's only what whites say is racist and what blacks say is OK?

       People that are serious about ridding our society of racism must understand that all races have their responsibilities to it. Not just whites.

      I'd bet some of the "offended" MSNBC employees went out to their cars and listened to the garbage rap music that permeates all this behavior anyway.  ASnyone that listens to the garbage has no right to say they are offended by Imus.

       Imus is no more guilty than the rappers that make millions off of degrading the same people.  Want to get rid of racism?  Let's have some accountability across the board instead of getting confused as to who is oppressed and who is not.

       

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    • Author by Ardbeg10 (April 13, 2007 1:54 pm ET)
         

      Really, who in their right mind believes that Jesse Jackson or Al Sharpton represents the black society anyway?

       No one, no matter how wrong they could be has any responsibility to apologize for anything to those two who have over the years proven to be as racist as anyone ever has.

       

       

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    • Author by cdenson5343 (April 13, 2007 7:48 pm ET)
         

      Don your guilty,

      Leslie Moonves, you are being paid mega dollars to be the decison maker at CBS, why do you let the Al Sharptons of the world ride on your coat tail and make it out as if you did not know what the right decison was without their unsolicited input. Mr. Moonves if you do not stop the Al Sharpton's of their use of the "race card" to amplify all racism that takes place, you are only allowing them to get away with a "blended" moulan type of bigotry himself in the media.

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    • Author by Fed Up (April 13, 2007 7:49 pm ET)
         

      I personally am tired of seeing this happen time and time again. This has been turned into some sort of racial issue which has blown up over night. I had never even heard of this Don Imus, which I’m sure that over half the country hasn’t either, yet the negro community fights against this and all the sudden everyone know’s him.

      I bet that most of you don’t even know that April is National Autism Month, or that the rate of Autism has risen from 1 in 10,000 to 1 in 150 adults and children, mainly children, since 1986. Where’s all the media in this. Plus the fact that a lot of parents and physicians and even scientist agree that it is caused from mercury poisoning from mercury being used as a preservative in seeds the farmers plant and the mercury in vaccines, not to mention the other toxin’s in vaccines too. Why isn’t our country in a big uproar about this?? Why aren’t the big networks dropping the pharmaceutical advertisements because of what’s happening to this countries children in numbers that are greater than the amount of people getting cancer from smoking?

      No, their not gonna drop the pharmaceuticals, look at all the financial ties there, good ole’ Don Imus can’t bring in that kind of revenue from his lies and slurs like the pharmaceuticals can.

      Like my name says… Fed Up.

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    • Author by stayconservative (April 13, 2007 9:02 pm ET)
         

      MediaMatters must be happy as they bask in the glow of their recent Nazi book-burning frenzy of ignorant manipulation.  To hell with all  who skulk in this den of judgement and plot the stifling of thought.  The stench of necrosis emanates from those who target "conservatives" in this misguided and perverted quest.  The blood has stopped flowing to their rotted heads. They undo true freedom with this insanity.

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    • Author by mrsure (April 14, 2007 12:48 am ET)
         

      Hmmm, so these media matters folks had this big racism thing about Harold Ford Jr, and the playboy bunny ad.  Who was Harold Ford's biggest media supporter during his campaign?  None other than the King of Racism himself, Don Imus.  So I guess the black community now needs to hire Racists to push their candiates.  And I wonder why Imus would want to help Harold Ford anyway, after all, he's a hateful, vile man towards blacks and women according to corespondents on MSNBC and CBS.  hmm, I just dont get it.....

      If you can't see that this website is peddling untruths and lies, as much or more-so than the conservative views, then you must be living in your own little world.   

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    • Author by marcopol8592 (April 14, 2007 4:10 am ET)
         

      Dawning of a New Day: The Scarlet Knights have succeeded where few have even attempted. The thunder has only just begun.

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