Drudge falsely claimed Soros funds Media Matters
April 13, 2007 5:05 pm ET
Internet gossip Matt Drudge has claimed that Media Matters for America is a "Soros operation."
In fact, Media Matters has never received funding from progressive philanthropist George Soros.
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Since when does the right need facts to support allegations? Now Hannity, Malkin and the rest of the righty echo chamber can quote Matt Drudge as the source for the charge that Soros funds MMFA.
Media Matters is funded by the Democracy Alliance which is funded by George Soros and his brother. You can check MediaSource for this information. If you have a problem with the truth, please disregard this posting.
Thank you, jlionetti738.
MMFA is playing a disingenuous word game with this post.
If this is the kind of post that makes the cut for "conservative misinformation," business must be slow. It gives the impression that "conservative misinformation" can't be that much of a problem.
My 2 cents. Thank you.
It harkens back to "what the definition of "is" is.
I'm betting they will pull my postings because they do not want any dissenting information.
Pull your comments because they're "dissenting?" Why? I'm just waiting for you to post the amounts Soros has donated to MMFA. Making blanket assertions without backing references shouldn't be grounds for pulling a posting. So long as you're not being obscene or so. As far as I know, obtuseness and obfuscation will still be allowed in the comments here. Good trolls are getting harder and harder to come by, I say.
Ok, let me know how much Soros money MMFA has received, and I'll even accept a breakdown of indirect funding (just out of curiousity) via MMFA.
In the end, the veracity of MMFA's messages is what you should question. Otherwise, you're just throwing up smoke screens to hide the real question: does Matt Drudge lie?
Now, watch this drive.
MMFA can post their funding at any time. I'm not privy to that information. Let's see if they do that.
All we want to know is the truth, right?
NO! They do not want the truth to be known. It would be embarassing if it came to light that mmfa does in fact get funding from soros and mmfa continued to claim ignorance of that fact. That's ok, though. These same people who deny mmfa's involvement with soros are the same people who blame Imus for the shape that black world is in today. They just can't get enough of THAT 'self-created' story.
Here is a FACT of the art of rhetoric and debate. Those who MAKE the claim have the burden of proof to back it up. It is weak and frankly stupid to make a claim then demand the accused prove it ISNT true. Drudge made the claim. IF you are trying to support it do so. Pretending it is true because you WISH it is shows how weak your game is. Either cough up the evidence or show yourself out in disgrace. I think you molest small furry animals PROVE to me it isnt true.
I'm betting they will pull my postings because they do not want any dissenting information.- jlionetti738
The righty posters lately seem pretty determined to be 100% wrong about everything, don't they? and the streak continues.
"Donors to Media Matters include Peter Lewis, chairman of Progressive Corp., who has contributed more than $7 million to the 527s in partnership with his friend, the financier George Soros. There is Democratic activist Bren Simon, wife of shopping-mall tycoon Mel Simon, New York psychologist and donor Gail Furman, California philanthropist James Hormel, and others. Two anti-Bush organizations, the New Democratic Network and MoveOn.org, have also contributed to Brock's project.
In addition to his donor list, Brock's staff at times resembles that of a political campaign. In the group's K Street offices, there are a number of veterans of Democratic causes. One Brock aide did opposition research for the recent presidential campaign of Sen. John Edwards; another did the same thing for the Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee; yet another worked on the Wesley Clark presidential campaign; another worked for Massachusetts Democratic representative Barney Frank, and so on.
Given all that, it seems fair to say that Media Matters is only partly about the media. It is also very much about defeating George W. Bush.
Whatever its political orientation, Media Matters is what is known as a 501(c)(3) charitable organization, meaning it is tax-exempt and can accept tax-exempt contributions (similar tax-exempt strategies are used by groups on both the left and the right). But since Media Matters has just been formed, it does not yet have the formal structure in place to accept tax-deductible donations, so, like other new charitable organizations, it has had to form a "fiscal sponsorship" relationship with an existing charity, which is already set up to accept such contributions. For that, Brock turned to the Tides Foundation, a wealthy but little-known institution that funds a variety of left-wing causes.
Finally, the creation of Brock's new organization happens to coincide with his drive to publicize his new book, The Republican Noise Machine: Right-Wing Media and How It Corrupts Democracy. The book purports to tell Americans that the "verbal brownshirts" of the Right are far more dangerous than many believe. In Brock's telling, conservatism is close to an all-powerful political movement, while liberalism, once formidable, now "seems a fringe dispensation of a few aging professors and Hollywood celebrities."
The right wing is so dominant, Brock writes, that even if Democrats win the presidency this year "they still face the prospect of being brutally slammed and systematically slandered in such a way that will make governing exceedingly difficult." The brutal conservative noise machine will keep going, Brock warns, "until its capacities to spread filth are somehow eradicated."
Hyperbole aside, it should be said that some of Brock's supporters genuinely believe such things. But at least so far, their faith in Brock does not appear to be shared by the mainstream press. Other than a friendly interview by the Today show's Katie Couric, Brock has received far less attention for his new project than he received in 2002 when he published Blinded by the Right, the book in which he confessed to having lied in some of the stories he wrote for conservative publications in the 1990s.
The book did what many — even those on the left who share Brock's contempt for conservatives — consider fatal damage to Brock's credibility. When Blinded by the Right appeared, Timothy Noah, the liberal "Chatterbox" columnist for Slate, wrote that "Chatterbox yields to no one in his eagerness to believe the awful things Brock is now saying about himself and the conservative movement in America. But the more Brock insists that he has lied, and lied, and then lied again, the more one begins to suspect Brock of being, well, a liar."
Now that same David Brock is trying on a new role as guardian of accuracy in media. It all seems, well, a little much. But in this year of 527s, mega-donors, and Democrats determined to "fight back," it appears that anything is possible."
Careful Bucko...unattributed cut and pastes (in this case from The National Review) may constitute a violation of copyright.
PS:
If you had read through the thread before you posted you would have noted that Leatherhead tried posting a section of the same article on the weekend. The irrelevance of the points raised in it was noted by both HBL and Solon. Try to understand what a thread is actually about before you post--or do you even care?
MMFA is playing a disingenuous word game with this post.
It's you who is playing "word games".
Drudge claims Media Matters is a "Soros operation". It isn't. And it isn't funded by Soros. Drudge lied. That's pure misinformation. Period. Simple as that.
Yesterday, you said demanded that everyone ignore the fact that your so-called "liberal" LA Times was actually owned (not even indirectly funded-by, but owned) by the conservative Tribune Co.-publishers of the Chgo. Tribune, which hasn't endorsed a Democratic presidential candidate since the 1800s. Now you apparently think everybody ought to follow a trail of money around the globe to somehow connect it with George Soros.
Maybe Soros' paid his dry cleaner, who in turn donated money to moveon.org, who in turn donated to Media Matters. But in no way does that measure up to what Drudge has falsely claimed, genius.
jlionetti738: "Media Matters is funded by the Democracy Alliance which is funded by George Soros and his brother."
Soros' dry cleaner is not in the mix, d_c.
Once Soros gives money to a group it becomes THEIR money. If THEY then donate it to MMFA then THEY donated it not Soros. IF Soros wanted to donate money to MMFA he would write them a check. There would be nothing wrong with that. Bottom line you have NOTHING. I gave money to my Church. If THEY used it to support an anti abortion protest it would NOT be me donating money to an anti Abortion protest. So unless you can cough up some evidence that Soros DEMANDED that the money he gave the group you cited go to MMFA. YOU. HAVE. NO. POINT.
Look kid, you can start calling it "my operation" when I start writing cheques directly to MMFA and have David Brock on speed-dial through the big red phone that sits at the helm of my battle starship. In the meantime I'll continue giving generous donations to sites like Moveon.org, CAP and others, which in turn give money to MMFA (which I have control over.)
But even then, I would have to put up a fight to mount a successful coup d'etat because thousands of ordinary citizens have made their claim to owning and influencing MMFA by clicking the link below..
[link to www.mediamatters.org]
It seems I have struck a nerve. There are a few things that are revealing in this post.
As long as the checks don't come directly from Mr Soros, he can claim it is not a Soros operation.
I don't know who David Brock is, but he does.
The response was pretty quick to the prior posts, so he checks regularly or more likely is kept informed about what goes on here.
A coup d'etat is not necessary if you have like minded individuals who want to end "conservative misinformation in the media".
There is an admission that he gives to several organizations which in turn give money to Media Matters.
Media Matters can clarify this by posting their funding.
Let's see if they will.
Oh, that is priceless. Talk about not being in on the joke.
Of course he does. Drudge falsely claims everything else. Why wouldn't he falsely claim this, too?
Did MMFA receive any money from Moveon.org?
i don't know. maybe someone else does. what difference does it make?
Moveon.org is funded by Soros that is why it matters.
Soros-->MoveOn.org-->MMFA
Follow the money ;-)
At the worst . . . unlike the Repugnant Administration, MMFA is not using tax dollars; not spreading endless lies; not fostering invasions of questionable or illegal nature; and not seeking only to attack all those who disagree. Hell, we even welcome some of the Repugnant scum to post here.
As far as getting a firm denial of either MoveOn or direct Soros funding for MMFA, I certainly ain't the guy you should ask; but why ask at all? Is the truth, or your own words, made different due to the funding for the site?
Not good enough. If Soros gave money to Moveon thinking they would disperse the money responsibly that is still support for Moveon, NOT MMFA. Unless you have some evidence that Soros gave money to Moveon TELLING them to give it to MMFA, do you have such evidence? Why would Soros do that if he wanted to fund MMFA why wouldnt he just do so? Drudge didnt claim Soros money went indirectly to MMFA he claimed this
Media Matters for America is a "Soros operation."
It is an unsuportable allegation. That would be like me buying a used car and the used car dealer using my money to do a drug deal and the DA claiming that I was funding the drug deal. No dice. Your clarification still doesnt support Drudges claim
Kind of sounds like Tm Delay's defense. He directed money from his pac to go his specific campaigns correct. BUt says he didn't violate cmapaign finance laws in Texas.
Media Matters for America (MMA) spokeswoman Sally Aman responded to Cybercast News Service's questions with an e-mail. "In response to your query regarding donor funding Media Matters for America has never received funding directly from George Soros," Aman stated, no longer denying any relationship with organizations affiliated with Soros.She went on to reference the "early support from Moveon.org, and the New Democrat Network," that Media Matters had received.
http://www.cnsnews.com/ViewSpecialReports.asp?Page=%5CSpecialReports%5Carchive%5C200503%5CSPE20050303a.html
Brock's donors read like a Who's Who of those who have financed the new, activist Left. Besides Buell and Hindery, donors to Media Matters include Peter Lewis, chairman of Progressive Corp., who has contributed more than $7 million to the 527s in partnership with his friend, the financier George Soros. There is Democratic activist Bren Simon, wife of shopping-mall tycoon Mel Simon, New York psychologist and donor Gail Furman, California philanthropist James Hormel, and others. Two anti-Bush organizations, the New Democratic Network and MoveOn.org, have also contributed to Brock's project.
http://www.nationalreview.com/york/york200405281333.asp
A lesson in irrelevance from leatherdude
"donors to Media Matters include Peter Lewis, chairman of Progressive Corp., who has contributed more than $7 million to the 527s in partnership with his friend, the financier George Soros."
Somebody donated to MMFA who has contributed to some 527s in partnership with Soros.For Leatherhead, that's pretty close to having a point. Special Olympics ribbon approved.
The difference is the evidence that he directed the PAC what to do with the money. IS there any evidence Soros demanded that the group he gave money to be given to MMFA? The entire amount the corporations gave the PAC ended up going to republican candidates. Did ALL the money Soros gave CAP go to MMFA?
CAP founded by Soros. CAP was a founding donor to Media Matters.
Nobody needs proof that Soros personally directed dollars. There were only 2 founders of CAP. Soros and Morton Halperin. Their organization gave Media Matters $2 million to start the company. That is an indisputable fact. And if you think the founding member of the Center for American Progress, a billionaire, didn't have cash flow to Media Matters, well, you are just being purposely ignorant.
Well I have to admit when it comes to being purposefully ignorant you are the champ. However the claim was that MMFA is a Soros operation. Can Drudge back that claim up? No he cant. Neither can you. Its really that simple. Soros wrote MMFA NO CHECKS. Your MIND reading abilities notwitstanding, remember they dont exist, the fact Soros gave money to an ORGANIZATION which THEN decided to fund MMFA is NOT the same as saying HE funded MMFA. No matter how much you want it to be true wishing wont make it so.
Hitler --> Bush family --> ???
That's a fact too.
What's you're point?
Are you suggesting that Soros uses Moveon as some money launderng operation to secretly fund and control MMFA? Weak.
But ok speculation is fun, here's one that caused Cheney to drop the F bomb in our hallowed halls of Congress.
Cheney --$-> Haliburton --$--> Cheney ---> endless war
Want to dispel rumours? Publish a donor's list down to the penny... then everyone will know Soros does not donate... simple as that.
what part of "never received funding" from soros eludes you?
Yeah, we need to remember that altho Ds received $$ from the lobbying group that included Abramhoff, they never received $$ for the Jackster himself. Any $$ flowing from MoveOn to here certainly came from other donors to MoveOn.
Ah no Oscar that isnt a correct characterization. The people Abramoff was working FOR also gave money to Dems although less than they had before they HIRED Abramoff. Abramoffs lobbying group did NOT give money to Dems.
Are there any funders (individuals or groups) whose names you can share?
This is silly.
Weiner made a baseless allegation that he can't prove.
Yet you guys are putting the honus on MMFA to provide a funder's list?
How about asking Weiner for proof?
I guess I forgot how the media work nowadays.
Where have you been?
It's a Brave New Bushworld.
Black is white. Up is down. War is peace. Silence is free speech.
And the accused are guilty until proven innocent.
Geez, guys, we still haven't unravelled Bungle's campaign financing for his first run for Governor of Texas. So why are we skipping right to funding for MMFA? (If it matters I have made a couple of small contributions to MMFA.) I don't mind if my name is published; but why would it be? Why SHOULD it be? Even though I publish it with each and every post - why should anyone else have the right to call for that publication?
It really isn't anyone's business who funds this website - Soros or not?
Who cares?
I think its because of the right's demonization of Soros, and the fact that his name used in conjunction with any website would cause a large number of people to simply dismiss that website as unreliable.
Well that, and the fact that its completely untrue.
Well, if you listen to Bill O'Lielly, you may get the impression that Soros is Dr. Doom for American culture... and some impressionable people may not WANT American culture to be destroyed by Dr. Doom, or Soros... the fact is that many *news* outlets drop his name a lot in connecttion with anything left-leaning.
George Soros is as irrelevant to me as any huge political donor/philanthropist from the right.
That's great.
He matters to many others though, in a negative way, and his name was used to slur this website. Falsely. So it was pointed out. That's all.
I think Richard Mellon Scaife did a huge disservice to the political culture of this country with his hounding of Clinton in the 90s. If Drudge feels Soros is doing the same, he should point it out. If he is wrong, he should be corrected.
Time out, trolls!
Just why this is important can be found by following the link MMFA provided above - click on "claimed".
See?
Sludge is inferring that it was a "SOROS OPERATION" that took down Imus, thereby proving the sinister power of the slime-slinging, cut-and-running, America-hating, liberal media.
See?
Sure, Drafted, but why is this here ? *(beep) *why is this here*(beep) why is this here ? *(beep) *why is this here ? *(beep) *why is this here ? *(beep) *why is this here ? *(beep) *why is this here ? *(beep) *why is this here ? *(beep) *why is this here ? *(beep) *.......
And so what if George Soros does?
In fact, why isn't he helping by contributing?
Drudge Libeled MMFA. So SUE HIM.
I'd kick in a few bucks to a sue drudge fund.
You would lose.
I'm in
I would like to know just how does(which funnel) George fund your beloved service. If you lie, you will owe us all an apology.
Aslo, I noticed on the headlines that no picture of O'Donnel, Olbermann or other lefties are shown. This is what one gets when they get there money from George.
Now, Ariver, I ain't no big city lawyer, but this item states that MMFA has never received funding from Soros.Let's assume that if they did, it matters.
1. Why would they bring the issue up?
2. If you're making an accusation (admittedly, of something meaningless), why not have the guts to come right out and say it, and follow it up with your evidence, rather than asking the site, or somebody else, to provide you with your hypothetical evidence and an apology?
And the implication that Brock would not be doing this without money from High Lord Soros is laughable. If anything, George probably wants him to tone it down. He backs MoveOn, for goodness sake.
As we all know by now, the right operate on the "you prove me wrong" premise. This allows them to make any accusation they want and puts the burden of proof on their victim. It isn't right but that is what they do. Those with a smaller view of the world can't see the harm in that.
So your bizarre claim is that in a thread about DRUDGE. MMFA ought to have pictures of lefties up for WHAT reason? To make you feel better for some unfathomable reason? Are you for real?
Could you hold one foot and hop up and down while you wait for MMFA to offer you an apology.
i look at it this way
If Matt Drudge told me that grass was green and the sky was blue, i'd have to go outside and check for myself.
Media Matters is not being completely honest here. Soros contributed millions to the Center for American Progress, which in turn helped launch Media Matters.
http://www.cnsnews.com/SpecialReports/archive/200503/SPE20050303a.html
CNS, yeah why not just link to the Limbaugh homepage? Drudge said this is a Soros creation the fact Soros gives money and support to groups that support MMFA is not suprising they are on the same side of the fence afterall. Even if what you say is true, which it probably is it STILL doesnt support Drudge's claim.
Has drudge (lowercase intentional) pointed out to the republitards how bush (again, intentional) just used a recess appointment to reward a major financer of the swiftboat liars with an ambassadorship to Belgium?
What does that have to do with Soros laundering money thru the Center for American Progress to Media Matters?
Try to stay on-topic. Deedeedee!
How is suporting an organization that also supports MMFA laundering money? You have no point. He supports a lefty group, they support MMFA, what is the evidence that MMFA is a Soros operation like Drudge claims? Oh you dont have any? Imagine my suprise.
Oh puhleez!
I know that decades of drug use and very poor liberal arts educations render most liberals incapable of following a simple linear argument, BUT:
George Soros bankrolled John Podesta's Center for American Progress, hich in turn provided most of David Brock's funding for Media Matters.
For Mr. Brock to lie (again) and try to claim that Soros isn't funding his operation is laughable. Surely, you aren't as stupid as you seem?
[link to www.discoverthenetworks.org]
I know your ignorance is awe inspiring, however lets attempt to drag you back somewhere in the vicinity of reality. Soros did NOT fund MMFA. HE gave money to an organization HE supports. THEY gave money to MMFA. So what that in no way makes it a Soros operation. The claim cannot be supported. So far its clear that you are a moron without a functioning brainpan, and a severe deficit of those little grey cells but even someone as intellectually challenged as YOU ought to be able to follow this. IF Soros wanted to FUND MMFA he could just write them a check. No one is stopping him. He didnt. Unless you can cough up some evidence that he gave Podesta money and TOLD him to give it to MMFA then YOU HAVE NO POINT MORON. Got evidence? You can show yourself out in disgrace.
Right. So a Soros-funded (and personally founded) company gives the start-up money to a new web-site, you claim it is not a Soros operation.
Do you know how dumb that sounds?
I know how dumb you ARE and ALWAYS sound. Are you going to cough up any evidence, not mind reading or speculation but EVIDENCE, that Soros DIRECTED this group to give money to MMFA? Until you do you are still making NOISE BUT NO POINT.
A Soros organization that he funded gave money to Media Matters.
If you want to play your little word games then go ahead and look ridiculous.
I notice no money went to Newsbusters or Drudge from the CAP.
Wonder why that was?
>>George Soros bankrolled John Podesta's Center for American Progress, hich in turn provided most of David Brock's funding for Media Matters.
You are lying right through your teeth. The link you provided does not back up what you claim. You have no way of knowing how much money Center for American Progess provides right now. You link merely claims that Podessta and Soros helped raise 10 million for MMFA, not that he directly provided the money, and certainly not that he directely funds MMFA. (Note that you site doesn't offer any direct proof, and given that it completely lies about other aspects of MMFA, there is no reason for me to believe it is telling the truth here.)
I like your ad hominem attack on Brock as a "bitter homosexual." I guess when you don't have any evidence, you can always use name calling instead.
There were numerous articles out when MMFA started that the CAP gave MMFA $2 mill to start out. This has been discussed on this board for years and you can google it yourself.
Media Matters is playing a word game because Soros' trust fund aka Center for American Progress is funding them, not a personal check.
Ignore this troll.
He's a Carlos Mencia fan, and therefore far beneath most modern hominids. (The "deedeedee" thing, while cute, is a dead giveaway.)
Sorry, quoting lame-ass talentless comedians isn't gonna get you any cred. Furthermore, trotting out irrelevant and false information isn't gonna win you support either.
And I thusly banish you. Begone troll. Back to the intellectually bereft depths from whence ye came. The adults are talkin' here.
Try to stay on-topic.
Take your own advice.
Gen. Jock Sniffer, are you related to Kernel Roy Campbell?
And here's a tip- besides linking to a long, rambling GOP website, you may want to copy and paste the specific information that supports your point.
It's not that most here mind doing a little reading, just that Republo-Zombie posters tend to link to sites that are
a. 99% B.S., and
b. Don't actually say what the poster thinks they do
I've wasted a few precious minutes of my life, fool me once...
Also, non-crackpot sites are more effective.
Seems pretty likely the Kernel got banned and promoted himself to General. Like many of the reincarnated trolls who haunt this bridge it is only a matter of time before they step on another rusty nail and die spewing puss laden drool over their clothes, their shoes, and anyone person who is patient enough to be listening. Or maybe the Kernal died cleaning his gun collection. Just as well that he is a General now. Generals very rarely get to fire their weapons. However it is still only a matter of time before this General shoots himself in the @ss. He was aiming for his foot but couldn't even hit that. In fact he has already sustained multiple self-inflicted rump wounds on this thread alone.
[link to www.discoverthenetworks.org]
The above link details how George Soros' money and John Podesta's Center for American Progress set up self-confessed liar, David Brock's, Media Matters.
No it doesn't, so stop lying through your teeth.
I'm just picturing Gen, Jock Sniffer finding this website, and through lack of reading comprehension or self-hypnosis, deciding he had proof of a Brock scandal.
Knocking his Playstation aside, he logs onto MMFA, ready to try, as so many Junior Republicans have before, to prove his imaginary point with a right wing propaganda web site that doesn't even remotely support his claim.
It just neve stops being entertaining.General, where in that long rambling article of crap not related to your claim, is your claim proven? Take your time, please don't link to the entire site again.Copy and paste, or in your own words without making anything up.
OMG!!! I paid my satellite bill, part of which went to programming fees for Fox! This means that Fox is funded by me, a tree-hugging Lib! Not only that, I paid my income taxes, meaning I support Bush and Cheny! I haven't visited France! This means I muse support O'Reilly! Oh Lord, what do I do now? I had better ask George Soros to reimburse me!!!!!
Cute, but not cogent.
The overwhelming majority of Media Matters $ has come from George Soros thru the Center for American Progress. The dishonesty of David Brock is well documented and, again, evidenced by his unwillingness to provide any list of donors while trying to hide under CAP's transparent skirt.
Don't worry, Ranger Phil. All those Republicans are so upset about paying their taxes to provide the millions of free abortions-on-demand, they won't have time to mock you.
Jeepers! I'm so upset to learn of my own duplicity that I can't even seem to spell! This must just be more proof of my unintended support for Bush, I guess. In my post above, I meant CHENEY, not Cheny, and I suppose that I meant I MUST support O'Reilly. The thought of using him as a muse is just too disgusting to ponder, even as farce.
By the trolls very admission, George Soros could not have given money to Media Matters\. Soros gave money ro Podesta to start CAP--and later Podesta gave money to Brock to start Media Matters. So when Soros gave the money, Media Matters didn't even exist. How do you give money to an organization that doesn't exist?
Matt Drudge receives at least as much funding from George Soros as MMFA.
Developing...
I did not know it was against the "law" to fund an Blog that reflects your political viewpoint. It's his money. Drudge hasn't been correct on anything, from the was in Iraq to the "war on terror".George Soros has given millions of his own money to help millions of people in the old Soviet Union. He has not funded, as far as I know, extremist groups that are trying to undermine our country and its government and our Constitution so that he may make more millions, as have a number of billionares on the right have.
Gen, is that short for General? Who cares how MediaMatters is funded? Is it illegal to receive money from Soros? Have they bought Senators and Members of the House?
Why all the denials about being funded by Soros? He is unabashedly one of the most powerful liberal supporters and financiers of the liberal cause.
Why all the denials about being funded by Soros? Being supported by Soros should be a coup...not something to hide under the bed.
Why all the denials about being funded by Soros? By running backwards from an association with the Soros name gives the appearance of being ashamed of his ideas and causes.
Why all the denials about being funded by Soros? Is there something wrong with Soros and his thinking? Why not solicit his funding and rejoice when you get it?...Darned if I can figure out all the denials of Soros funding...unless you're ashamed of hanging your shingle out beside the Soros name and idealogy.
Why all the denials about being funded by Soros? Um...because MMFA isn't funded by Soros. Simple.
Wit like that should easily get you a seat at the front of the class.
mmfa recieves Soros money...no matter how it gets here or who directs it...we all know it.
So why all the denial about receiving Soros money...a liberal icon.
Why, it's question mark Tommy posting under the name of Wesley and providing more crap!
Hey Tommy, maybe the denials come because they aren't true? I know, I know, you and the truth don't mix.
Wesley, you seem slower than usual today. I'm going to ask you for the same thing I ask all the crazy righty posters who don't get the concept of trying to prove a negative;
What's the motive? I know, that's what you're asking, "why the denials?". The problem with your reasoning is, you're making an accusation, you have no evidence, by your own admission no motive, and you're asking for somebody to admit that you're right. It's a little "out there".
NO THEY DONT. Do you work for a company? When they give you a paycheck does it REMAIN their money? When you give money to say the GOP does it remain YOUR money? If they fund a group you dont like can you demand it back? Soros did NOT give money to MMFA. He gave money to a group he agreed with. When THEY gave money to MMFA it was THEIR money. Thats what happens when you donate money it becomes THEIR money. Unless you can cough up some evidence that Soros gave them money and INSTRUCTED them to give it to MMFA then you have NOTHING. Got evidence?
Sure, Julia, that sounds like the simple answer...
And it may have been answered in the item, and by several posters..
But I still don't understand. Why all the denials about something that is not true?
Oh, only because of the continuing, unfounded accusations? I think I understand now.
Dang, it must be hard to be a con. They have to absorb all sorts of innuendo, lies, distortions and mindbendingly circuitous logic to still beleive Drudge, Freeper, the corproate media and the corporate media elite teet suckers like Coulter, Malkin, Limbaugh, etc..And they're not even making the big bucks. Must suck to be them.
Nothing wrong with Soros. There IS something wrong with making baseless accuastions and LYING. See that is part of the point. If Soros had just written MMFA a check there would be nothing wrong with it BUT HE DIDNT. Having succesfully slandered and demonized Soros to their troglydite base the smear merchants want to link the succesful but baseless smears to MMFA since they have NOTHING on them directly. Nothing wrong with Soros money. Just like there isnt anything wrong with Schiafe money. However Soros DIDNT write MMFA a check and neither Drudge nor anyone else has shown he has or can in ANY way back up Sludges assertion that MMFA is a Soros operation.
Nope...not me...no sireee...uh uh...I didn't take any money from Soros.
It appears that the stigma that you think is attached to Soros has afflicted the liberals as well. Hardly anyone on this thread has stood up and said, "So what if we take Soros money? He's a leader of the liberal cause and we support his efforts".
It's all about getting as far away from Soros as possible in public...while taking his money under the table. It's weak minded to hide behind the "no smoking check" defense.
mmfa and many other liberal organizations get Soros money...regardless of how it arrives or who directed it. It's laughable to think that with all the millions that Soros throws around...poor little mmfa doesn't get a dime.
Where's Don Imus when you need him?
I think the major flaw in your argument is that liberals have not attached a stigma to Soros. That has been the action of Drudge and his ilk. Simply telling the truth and correcting Drudge is no evidence of some liberal stigma of Soros. Would you prefer mmfa admit to something that isn't technically true, just to inanely prove to you there is no stigma about Soros funding?
You can't be that silly.
I think the major flaw in your argument is that liberals have not attached a stigma to Soros.- open_mind
I don't think it was intentional, Openmind, but you may have found Wesley's next screen name.
"Good morning,Gen. Ripper. Major Flaw, reporting for ditto-duty!"
It appears that the stigma that you think is attached to Soros has afflicted the liberals as well. Hardly anyone on this thread has stood up and said, "So what if we take Soros money? He's a leader of the liberal cause and we support his efforts".- wesley
Hardly anyone? How many times do conservatives need things repeated? Wesley, pay attention- several posters have said "so what id Soros did fund MMFA"(, the point of the item is that it's not true, and asking for explanations of denials of something not true is, frankly, making you look just plain stoopid or crazy.)
That's it for me. Do you need yet another person to help you understand a very simple topic?
Adult education, specifically reading comprehension, look into it. How did you miss the part where I said nothing wrong with Soros? Did your brain cells just freeze up at that point? None of us has attached or bought into any 'stigma' of Soros. We are attacking Drudge for LYING. Or at the very least making baseless assertions not supported by facts in evidence. This isnt that complicated. Since this was the flawed premise for your incredibly weak post, consider it completely debunked.
- Media Matters for America, the group headed by conservative turned liberal writer David Brock, has changed course on its stated association with billionaire liberal financier George Soros.
After initially claiming on Dec. 1, 2004 that "neither Media Matters nor its president and CEO David Brock has received any money from Soros or from any organization with which he is affiliated," the group is no longer disavowing any connection with groups "affiliated" with Soros.
Media Matters for America (MMA) spokeswoman Sally Aman...went on to reference the "early support from Moveon.org.
Among the individuals that Aman mentioned was Peter Lewis...a close confidant of Soros. Lewis and Soros are so interlinked that Lewis' son Jonathan told Jane Mayer of The New Yorker in October 2004 that his father and Soros were "like a married couple." - cnsnews
Despite the weak denials by mmfa and its supporters, it's plain that they are a Soros funded outfit....no matter how the money gets to them...who directed the payment...or who wrote the check...it's Soros money that helps keep mmfa afloat.
And the reason for this discussion is....?
Interesting . . . first, we had "Col." Roy Campbell; now we have "Gen." J. Ripper {that wouldn't be "Jack the Ripper," would it?}
Odd how all these military personnel find their way to this site instead of in Iraq . . .
On topic, Sludge, OhReally, and Weiner constantly make accusations of Soros funding MMfA . . . and the wingnut head-nodding trolls simply take this on faith . . . to which I have just one question:
SO F&%$#@* WHAT??!!
So what IF Soros is funding/contributing/donating to MMfA??? He can contribute to whoever the hell he wants to . . .
How come none of these talking heads ever complain about Ailes' funding of the Faux Noise Channel or Sung Myung Moons' ownership of the Washington Times?
{I know - rhetorical question . . .}
- He can contribute to whoever the hell he wants to - mjh
That makes more sense than most of the pages of denial written here...
If someone is liberal why would they not want funding from THE liberal financier? Instead, we get mountains of posts running away from Soros money...and idealogy.
Keep making things up, question mark Tommy. So now when MMFA is setting the record straight, that amounts to denial and running away from Soros idealogy? God you are real dumb.
Another question might be since there isnt anything wrong with it WHY IS SLUDGE LYING ABOUT IT?
Anne Bartley Fred Baron Ann Bowers Mark Buell Susie Tompkins Buell Anna Burger, SEIU representative Lewis B. Cullman David Friedman Chris Gabrieli Tim Gill Davidi Gilo Robert Glaser Steven Gluckstern Rob Johnson Michael Kieschnick Gara LaMarche Norman Lear Peter Lewis Rob McKay Alan Patricof Drummond Pike Rob Reiner Herb Sandler Marion Sandler Guy Saperstein Bernard Schwartz Service Employees International Union (SEIU) George Soros Jonathan Soros Albert Yates
This is a partial list of funders of the Democracy Alliance.
Unless you know the funders' percentages, then there is no earthly reason why MMFA is a Soros "operation." If MMFA also gets some money from MoveOn, and Soros also gives money to that, what exactly has been proved here?
"Soros operation" certainly implies direct financial sponsorship and guidance of policy and so on. You know, in the same way the Arkansas Project, and so much of the campaign of lies and dirty tricks about President Clinton was a "Scaife operation."
The truth is, if Mr. Soros wanted to give lots of money directly to MMFA, I'm sure it would be perfectly welcome -- unless the right-wing attempt to smear George Soros as a stereotypically "crafty Jew" is successful. Soros is a fine man. He just isn't a fan of the current mob in DC, which has subjected him to slander without end.
Thanks for posting that. It is exactly right.
"Soros, the billionaire financier, was the most prominent backer of the 2004 Democratic groups, but he has assumed only a modest role in the Democracy Alliance. He has stopped donating to ACT.
There has been a flourishing of new, pro-Democratic think tanks and advocacy groups in recent years. Clinton administration chief of staff John D. Podesta established the Center for American Progress; former Democratic congressional aide David Sirota recently set up the state-oriented Progressive Legislative Action Network; and author David Brock helped create Media Matters for America last year, among others. All these groups are potential recipients of money from alliance partners."
from WaPo 8/7/05, p. A01 ("Rich Liberals Vow to Fund Think Tanks" by Thomas B. Edsall)
In the absence of more direct and specific evidence, which the wingnuts have thus far (after 110+ replies to this thread) failed to produce, this simply confirms what some people have posted--that Soros is simply one of a number of alliance PARTNERS; he has a MODEST role in the alliance; and that MMFA is simply one of many POTENTIAL recipients of funding from these many partners.
And if he did? I wish Soros would have funded organizations like this instead of giving three billion to the Bill and Malinda Gate Foundation. He could have made a real difference HERE.
Why is it that the left cannot have think tanks funded by wealthy donors? It's the American Way, at least it became that under 12 years of Congress for sale. Why do you hate America?
You see how desperate the right is. They are cowards really. Anyone who has to make stuff up 24/7 that is completely false in advance of any facts or truth is suffering from chronic cowardice. No wonder these are the people calling for aggression and claiming to be so brave when the simple truth is like Kryptonite to them.
Internet poster Ajwan has claimed in the past that Drudge is part of a Satanist cult. Today he restates that claim since no-one has come forward to disprove the claim.
Man it's so easy to do Drudges job. Unbelievable and he gets paid for it too.
JSCOTT:
"Has drudge (lowercase intentional) pointed out to the republitards how bush (again, intentional) just used a recess appointment to reward a major financer of the swiftboat liars with an ambassadorship to Belgium?"
This was on the Drudge Report. BTW, how dare you call 260+ Vietnam veterans "liars." Unlike John Kerry, the members of SBVT served thier whole tours in Vietnam and did so with honor. The record shows that Kerry had to backtrack on claims he had made as a result of the SBVT exposing his lies.
Let me try this, so, if Soros gave money to an organization that gave money to Media Matters, that means he funds Media Matters?
By that logic, Republicans who voted for Nixon supported Pinochet because he was removed by the US and under Nixon's direction, correct? That also means that Republicans who supported Reagan in the '80s support Saddam Hussein, right? Our country, also supported the efforts of the rebels in the 1980s who fought back against the USSR, right? Who did some of them become? Ask Osama. Prescott Bush had property confiscated during the Second World War by the US government because he was trading with the Nazis, so the Bush family are Nazis, right?
Obviously, there were connections in each of these examples. That does not mean that the people who supported the people listed above necessarily supported the policies set by the people they voted for, right?
Did you see any reference to a party in my post? This is not a Democrat, Republican or Independent issue. This is about this country and how many want to destroy it. At one time in my life, I was a Democrat and I left it because they kept spending taxpayer money like it was going out of style. This is why the Republicans got beat when many of their supporters failed to show up and vote. RINOS will go with the liberal view and spend money. A true conservative will not spend their kids and grandkids future. Where are you – conleytgwinn? Can you direct me to the source of your statistics on the percentages? I do a lot of online work and have never seen them.
Drudge, Limbaugh, Coulter, Fox news, and etc. only succesfully exist in a political society where those too stupid to think outnumber those who can an do.
Who cares who it's funded by. I hate how conservatives seem to associate an organization with any sort of liberal connection as being as bad as being connected to Hitler himself.
MescalLet me change the scenario from Southern California to Chicago and San Francisco so you can get a feel that I do not HATE either the homeowners or Liberals like you. I am just waiting for you to start wining and crying when the young Muslim terrorist start blowing us up. Chicago was initially built with wood and other combustible building materials. The fire service wanted the building codes changed to require concrete and other noncombustible construction. They were fought by the banks, builders and building owners who kept the city council from changing the codes. On October 8, 1871, there was a fire, which started and expanded into the total destruction of the city. Bank presidents, builders, and code cried the fire department and begged them to stop the fire. They had to blow up major portions of the city to stop the fire but they did. The fire service learned their lesion but the bankers, builders, and building owners did not. The fire service in San Francisco tried, in vain to change their building codes and even referenced the fire in Chicago but it did not work. The banks, building owners, and builders wined that it would break them financially if they changed the codes to require noncombustible construction. On April 18, 1906, an earthquake occurred with the magnitude of 7.7 to 8.3. Building fell and began to burn and again people cried and begged for the fire service to stop the fire. They did but did win. In the rush to rebuild the city building codes were in fact lowered instead of strengthened “by upwards of 50%” according to historian Robert Hansen. The big rush to rebuild was the desire to be ready for an international exposition. The total disregard to earthquake safety plagues the city today as majorities of buildings standing in the city today were built in the first half of the 20th century. When it comes to professionals (firefighters, law enforcement and terrorist experts) telling whinny assed liberals (rich, moderate, and poor) what will happen when they are not listened to only results in disaster when they are not followed. We then sit back and say,”damn, bet that hurt”. Just remember, it is the young Muslim terrorists that want you dead, not me or the law enforcement folks. We will just pick up the pieces when it happens.Mescal, just keep your head in the sand. ExpatUSA_Indonesia and [link to www.freewebs.com] style="color: black">Mcteethinator we will pick up your body parts and say, damn, bet that hurt.
Typical scare-mongering. Doesn't anyone see that there are probably more terrorist sympathisers now because of the invasion of Iraq then before? Are conservatives just that stupid?
Mental health, Top-ass.
It really is worth looking into. Under the proper meds, many of your nightmare scenarios (wish fulfillments?) will evaporate like the morning dew.
It must be awful down there in that bunker of yours... fuming, chuckling, & carrying on these muttered one person conversations about how "they'll all be sorry then... those evil f*cking liberals... yeah, they'll be sorry then... but it 'll be too late then... yes, & then WE can take over... the world will be OURS then... yes... yes... they'll be sorry then."
I imagine that that's when you plan to emerge to the charred landscape & lay the foundations for your new Reich. No liberals to ruin everything then. No Jews or Gypsies either. Once you & the rest of your Fatherland patriots kill all the Muslims (who also waited out the attack in their mosques/bunkers, having received Osama's email alerts), you can create the Aryan Christian Kingdom that God has been whispering to you about inside your buzzing head lo these many years.
Yeah, I think modern pharmaceuticals are just the ticket for you. You paranoid f*cking fruitcake!
But mescal, you still haven't produced a document stating that MMFA is NOT a Soros Operation.
Game, set, and match- fruitcakes.