Pat Buchanan on Imus: "[T]he court of elite opinion ... pandering to the mob, lynched him"
In an April 13 syndicated column on the controversy surrounding Don Imus' smear of the Rutgers University women's basketball team, MSNBC political analyst Pat Buchanan wrote: "Imus threw himself on the mercy of the court of elite opinion -- and that court, pandering to the mob, lynched him. Yet, for all his sins, he was a better man than the lot of them rejoicing at the foot of the cottonwood tree." Buchanan's column was published two days after MSNBC announced that it would no longer simulcast Imus' show, and one day after CBS Radio announced it was dropping the show.
Buchanan also wrote: "And lest we forget, these are athletes in their prime, the same age as young women in Iraq. They are not 5-year-old girls, and they are capable of brushing off an ignorant comment by a talk-show host who does not know them, or anything about them." He then added: "Who, after all, believed the slur was true? No one."
From Buchanan's April 13 column, headlined "The Imus lynch party":
In the end, it was not about Imus. It was about us.
Are we really a better country because, after he was publicly whipped for 10 days as the worst kind of racist, with whom no decent person could associate, he was thrown off the air?
Cards on the table.
This writer works for MSNBC, has been on the Imus show scores of times, watches Imus every morning, and likes the show, the music and the guys: the I-Man, Bernie, Charles and Tom Bowman.
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And when Imus called the Rutgers women's basketball team "tattooed ... nappy-headed hos," he went over the top. The women deserved an apology. There was no cause, no call to use those terms. As Ann Coulter said, they were not fair game.
But Imus did apologize, again and again and again.
And lest we forget, these are athletes in their prime, the same age as young women in Iraq. They are not 5-year-old girls, and they are capable of brushing off an ignorant comment by a talk-show host who does not know them, or anything about them.
Who, after all, believed the slur was true? No one.
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I did a bad thing, but I am not a bad person, says Imus. Indeed, whoever used his microphone to do more good for more people -- be they the cancer kids of Imus Ranch, the families of Iraq war dead now more justly compensated because of the I-Man or the cause of a cure for autism?
"We know of no spectacle so ridiculous as the British public in one of its periodic fits of morality," said Lord Macaulay. Unfortunately, Macaulay never saw the likes of the Revs. Sharpton and Jackson.
Imus threw himself on the mercy of the court of elite opinion -- and that court, pandering to the mob, lynched him. Yet, for all his sins, he was a better man than the lot of them rejoicing at the foot of the cottonwood tree.
His rants usually sound better in the original German.
I wish I could read what Molly had to say about this issue.
Apparently Adolf Buchanan does not know what a lynching is nor the context in which they took place. Not surprising since he's one of those who claimed Jews were never gassed during the Holocaust.
Do you even know what this whole controversy is about? It seems many others are forgetting and denying what this whole controversy is about, not just heru. It isn't about Imus saying some demeaning words, it's about the denial of ones own problems. Have your read what Kansas City Star columnist Jason Whitlock wrote? You should, it may open your eyes to real truth. http://www.kansascity.com/182/story/66339.html
" I don’t listen or watch Imus’ show regularly. Has he at any point glorified selling crack cocaine to black women? Has he celebrated black men shooting each other randomly? Has he suggested in any way that it’s cool to be a baby-daddy rather than a husband and a parent? Does he tell his listeners that they’re suckers for pursuing education and that they’re selling out their race if they do? When Imus does any of that, call me and I’ll get upset. Until then, he is what he is — a washed-up shock jock who is very easy to ignore when you’re not looking to be made a victim. No. We all know where the real battleground is. We know that the gangsta rappers and their followers in the athletic world have far bigger platforms to negatively define us than some old white man with a bad radio show. There’s no money and lots of danger in that battle, so Jesse and Al are going to sit it out. "
I usually can not stand Buchanan
But I agree with him, I think Imus was lynched. By a hypocritical media that allows people like Ann Coulter and Rush Limbaugh to say even more vile things. Also a network like MSNBC which acts now like its hands were clean, yet they kept this man on their network for 10 years. I also applaud Buchanans loyalty. MMFA , I do not see the issue with this.
Hey, man- it's one step at a time... I've never seen anyone kicked off a radoi show for using Imus' language, and I'm happy as HELL he is gone and can't spew his hatred anymore... hopefully the others are next to go...
So again, you really think there's going to be "steps" taken? Like what? Rappers and pundits will no longer be tolerated by their financial backers? That's bullsh%t. The fact is there is a market for controversial speech, and it will always move big bucks.
So again, you really think there's going to be "steps" taken? Like what? Rappers and pundits will no longer be tolerated by their financial backers? That's bullsh%t. The fact is there is a market for controversial speech, and it will always move big bucks.
Jeshopk, usually I disagree with you because you rationalize the hell out of Imus and his remarks, but I do have to agree with you here: We as Americans thrive off of sensationalistic entertainment (hell, that's why Fox News is the #1 cable news network), but the problem I have is people continue to say "it's the rappers fault, it's the rappers fault," when our entire pop culture is filled with lewd, lascivious entertainment. If we're going to go after rappers, then folks are going to go after slasher and gangster films, then it will be television shows, then porn magazines, etc. You can not stop this type of entertainment and put restrictions on it when there’s a marketplace that buys this stuff. You cannot blame it all on the rappers for making sexist, violent, homophobic entertainment when there are consumers who buy this type of rap music more than political rap. The fact of the matter is cheap trash outsells the most here in America—in all formats—and nothing will never change that fact.
I believe the problem with all of this—especially with the Hip Hop community—is that most of the underground, socially conscious rappers who can indeed uplift and empower urban America, can't get a deal with a major corporation because their type of music do not sale. It's the controversial stuff that folks spend their money on. Then there's another component to this: some of the vile material is not complete trash, some of if reveals a section of society, and the inner-workings of a group of people who've been disenfranchised and neglected room to voice their frustration and anger to the world. Can some of that be vulgar and violent? Yes. But so were “Taxi Driver” and “Mean Streets” which was also mixed violence and social commentary. Someone like Tupac was a conflicted figure who carried a double-identity, one a person that had his tides to the thug life, and another side that had a deep conscious of what’s effecting and destroying his people. In one song Tupac could call a girl “ho” and “bitch,” and in another song he’s uplifting women like his mother in “Dear Mama,” or having deep sympathy for single parent mothers like “Brenda’s Got A Baby.” However, to the moral police, if Tupac was alive today and continued to have a dichotomy in his music that celebrates urban black machismo, while being socially conscious, he would’ve been targeted as a rapper that’s with other cheap trash like Fiddy Cent and Ja-Rule. This is where the danger lies.
I know that I'm one of many blacks who felt that Imus shouldn't of been fired because for one thing I felt he was truly sorry; but the bigger issue is that now folks are going to go after anything that’s obscene—even entertainment with complexity and insight—and censor it because it offends them. This is very dangerous, indeed.
As a black man, I could care less whether the devil Imus was sorry or not. I was ROFLMAO while he was begging for forgiveness and got the boot anyway. I can't wait for the next devil to lose his livelihood, whining and complaining all the way about Snoop Doggy Dog.
And Buchanan can't say the kind of nasty stuff he used to say either. I will never forget him saying on the old Crossfire that Washington DC was a better place when he was growing up and all the black women used to line up at the bus stop to take the buses to their jobs as maids.
Buchanan is and always has been 100% against the Iraq War but he will always support the Republicans over the Democrats because he sees the Democrats as the party for blacks.
I can't wait for the next devil to lose his livelihood, whining and complaining all the way about Snoop Doggy Dog
And you probably think snoop dog and others like him are innocent of the damage they do?!? You probably think there is no harm in listening to his type of music, that it doesn't demonize the black culture. Well, you continue to think that and you will be part of your own downfall. Get back to the real world and out of your delusional thinking that blacks promoting violence against blacks isn't a danger to blacks.
Yes, Pat...... *sigh*... we elitest voiced our opinion and the verdict is in- Imus said BAD words against people he didn't know. How about if I call your loyal follwers 'bigoted, sheep-brained, judgemental prostitutes' to millions of people?? Would you and your flock just 'brush it off' because you are of age? You better, because that is EXACTLY what many people think about you and your constiuents...
Comparing Imus losing a radio job and the violent death of thousands of black in this country is pretty low, even for Buchanan.
I think its pretty low but it seems par for the course for Buchanon
So, Pat, calling our American women troops 'nappy-headed hos' is ok? Got it, you moron..
Buchanan also wrote: "And lest we forget, these are athletes in their prime, the same age as young women in Iraq."
See? we do a lot worse stuff to young women than name calling.
Thanks for putting everything in perspective, Pat.
Who is suprised?Pat has a history of vile racist rhetoric.
Not being surprised should be equated with not being offended or spurred into action to get this *christain* out of peoples' lives..
opps... NOT be equated...
hopefully *christain* was intentional - I like that...
and the punchline is this is not a joke...
Will the Firing of Don Imus Be Bad for Democrats?Friday, April 13, 2007
By Brit Hume
The Crimes of Al Sharpton –Part 1 In the Tawana Brawley case, a 15-year-old black girl was found smeared withfeces, lying in a garbage bag, her clothing torn and burned and with variousslurs and epithets written on her body in charcoal. Brawley claimed that shehad been assaulted and raped by six white men, some of them police officers,in the town of Wappingers Falls, New York. Alton H. Maddox, C. Vernon Masonjoined Sharpton in support of Brawley. A grand jury was convened; after sevenmonths of examining police and medical records, the jury determined thatBrawley lied about being assaulted by the police. Sharpton, Maddox andMason were later successfully sued for statements made in connection withthe case, and ordered to pay $345,000 in damages. In 1989 and 1990 Sharpton again beat the odds. First, Sharpton beat a tax evasionrap, which he called a government vendetta. Then, in 1990, he was acquitted oncharges that he pocketed more than half of the $250,000 he raised through theNational Youth Movement. The Crown Heights Riot occurred after a car accident involving the motorcadefor the Lubavitcher Rebbe killing a young boy Gavin Cato. A riot was sparkedafter a private Hasidic ambulance came to the scene and, on the orders of a policeofficer, removed the Hasidic driver from the scene. Gavin Cato and his cousinAngela were picked up soon after by a city ambulance. Caribbean-American andAfrican-American residents of the neighborhood then rioted for fourconsecutive days fueled by rumors (in part driven by Sharpton), that theprivate ambulance had refused to treat Cato. Al Sharpton became the de-factorepresentative for the Cato family. During the funeral he referred to "diamondmerchants" considered a code word for Hasidic Jews, for shedding "the bloodof innocent babies" leading marchers shouting "No Justice No Peace". Sharpton didnot start the riots but his rhetoric was seen as inflammatory and unhelpful in easingthe tension between the black and Jewish communities. A visiting rabbinicalstudent from Australia by the name of Yankel Rosenbaum, 29 years old, waskilled during the rioting by a mob shouting "Kill the Jew". In 2001, Sharpton served a three-month prison term for an act of civil disobedienceconsisting in illegally trespassing on U.S. property located on a bombing range inVieques, Puerto Rico. Sharpton was imprisoned for protesting the United StatesNavy's ongoing bombing and target practices on the island. In November 2005, Sharpton appeared in advertisements for LoanMax, anautomobile title loan company. Sharpton was criticized for appearing in the ads, asLoanMax has been accused of predatory lending charging fees, and for marketingthem to primarily poor, urban and African American audiences. The ads featuringSharpton were run in predominantly African American markets.Sources: Wikipedia/Answers.com
The Crimes of Al Sharpton –Part 2 The Rev. Al Sharpton and two other men were convicted and jailed for their roles inthe December 1987 ''day of outrage'' protest, which stalled subways in Brooklyn forhours. Sharpton appeared in a 1983 FBI videotape discussing the laundering of drugmoney with mobster-turned-informant Michael Franzese, one-time captain forthe Colombo crime family. Sharpton appears on the tape to offer to broker ameeting between Don King and a South American drug lord. No indictmentswere filed. In 1995, he led his National Action Network in an ugly boycott againstFreddy's Fashion Mart, a Jewish-owned business that had its rent raised by itsblack landlord. Freddy's in turn raised the rent on one of its subtenants, a blackownedmusic store. The street leader of the boycott, Morris Powell, was the headof Sharpton's "Buy Black" Committee. Repeatedly referring to the Jewishproprietors of Freddy's as "crackers," Powell and his fellow protestersmenacingly told passersby, "Keep [going] right on past Freddy's, he's one ofthe greedy Jew bastards killing our [black] people. Don't give the Jew a dime."Some picketers openly threatened violence against whites and Jews -- allunder the watchful, approving eye of Sharpton. The subsequent picketingbecame increasingly violent in tone until one of the protesters eventually shotfour whites in the store, and then set the building on fire -- killing sevenemployees, most of whom were Hispanics. Sharpton embraced Yasser Arafat in 2001, again for political reasons as he hopedto unseat Jesse Jackson as the most influential black leftist in the United States.Sources: NY Times and discoverthenetworks.org
Why does the Media give a voice to Sharpton the criminal??
Need a soapbox ?
Shorter Ldoren: Anything anybody does is OK, so long as Sharpton is against it.
Well, let's take a look at MMFA. They post a bunch of people who should be taken off the air for being conservative.
I can't tell you the number of times I've seen MMFA headlines saying, "Media uncritically covered...X."
Well, where's the liberal media with their critical view of Sharpton and Jackson. You won't see it.
Yes Where is that liberal media the knuckle draggers are always yelping about...maroon
"Yes Where is that liberal media the knuckle draggers are always yelping about...maroon"
Maroon?? Who are you talking to?? Who are the knuckle draggers??
Um you and uh, yeah you both times ;p
Wow, so this is the best response you libs have??
LDoren:
Since you just copied and pasted this from another article, let me doe the same
www.onthemedia.org
Mike Wallace: You told Tom Anderson, the producer, in your car coming home that Bernard McGuirk is there to do the ni**er jokes
Don Imus: Well I've n--I never use that word
Mike Wallace: Tom?
Tom Anderson: I'm right here.
Don Imus: Did I use that word?
Tom Anderson: I recall you using that word.
Don Imus: Oh, okay, well than I used that word, but I mean-- of course that was an off the record conversation {LAUGHTER}
Mike Wallace: The Hell it was!!
Again, Jessie nor Al SPEAK THER FOR THE AFRICAN AMERICAN RACE!!!
THE MEDIA USES THEM BECAUSE THEY ARE THEY ONLY BLACK PEOPLE THAT SOME WHITE FOLKS KNOW!
THEY, THE MEDIA WANTS YOU TO WATCH AND YOU SURE DO WHEN EVER THEY SAY THE NAME AL OR JESSIE.
UNLIKE ME, An African American WHO DOES NOT AUTOMATICALLY WATCH WHEN THEIR NAMES APPEAR!
I think LDOREN has posted that same article on ever thread I've looked at so far today.
"Wow, so this is the best response you libs have??"
When dealing with you trolls?
Yes. It's the only acceptable response.
It's all that was needed.
Wait I take it back...some people say you are a maroon
Isn't this Fox thing mint?
I've read on the Internets that some people say that LDoren is a maroon, so it must be true.
For being conservative? Are you saying it is a function of being conservative to lie, distort, spew hatred, and racist slurs? Wow. Now see, I wouldnt have said that. Then again I am not scraping the bottom of the barrel to make excuses about why these bloviating screechmonkeys should be exempt from any accountability whatsoever. Thats a hard sell and I dont really think a reasonable and cogent argument is possible so the strawman was inevitable. When they call for the firing of William F Buckley we can talk. Until then your claim is so much horse manure
Not taken off the air necessarily. Not because they espouse so-called conservative viewpoints. Just don't lie or mislead your audience.
Well, let's take a look at MMFA. They post a bunch of people who should be taken off the air for being conservative.- ldoren1626
As an enthusiastic defender of free speech,Ldoren, I have to disagree with your opinion that these people should be taken off the air for being conservative.I understand you,as a conservative, may be embarrassed , but I like to turn the lights on the cockroaches.
I think LDoren and AnotherAmerican have come a bit unglued this week.
To steal another posters(Valentinian?) parody;
"First they came for the old man calling people ho's..."
I noticed it too.
You are off topic.
Show me the person who showed LDoren how to cut and paste and I'll show you the person that I'd like to cream with a banana cream pie.
LDoren, you're the Defender of the White Man, aren't ya? Do you wear tights and a cape when you type? Errr, cut and paste? And do you have a sidekick whose name is CaucaBoy?
There will be parts 3,4 and 5. You can count on it.
He should have been "fired" like Imus a long time ago.
I agree with Leather. Before LDoren posts Parts 3, 4, and 5, LDoren should be fired.
But, hey, Leather, when was LDoren ever hired?
Leather, to be frank, agreeing with you gets confusing.
lest I ferget...
Some political analysts say
Uhhh... Pat,
Your use of Awfull Annie as a source to judge who is or isn't "fair game" shows just how far out of touch you are.
That said, I actually agree that Imus should not have been fired and instead, used as an example of the idiocies of some of his peers in over-the-air pissmouthland.
Based on what's already started, I'm afraid the discussion will instead focus on language used by entertainers whose performances are willingly paid for, whether on HBO, a CD, etc.
Pat Buchanan should hurry up and kick the bucket
Well that's real grownup.
But Conservatives say terrible things...check.
The conservative/Coulter version is "someone should hurry up and kill Buchannan."
Yes, one is definitely far less objectionable than the other.
I'll give you a few seconds to think about the difference.
(cue Jeopardy music)
Yes, one is definitely far less objectionable than the other.
Only in your world deeznuts.
I'll give you a few seconds to figure out why saying that someone should kick the bucket, whether by natural or unnatural is equally mean-spirited.
Only a Liberal would try to slice, dice, or parse it any other way.
Sharpton and Jackson should hurry up and kick the bucket
Race relations would probably improve 110% overnight!
Yeah, those nasty guys would be replaced by jovial, inoffensive Al Roker!
Who also said he should be fired.
I'll listen to Roker, on just about anything.
Had enough of Jackson's " I-muss should be figh-yudd, or at least un-high-udd".
Makes me sick to listen to him.
Taz, is your race-relationometer calibrated to the "Roots" setting? How is this measured?
You should hurry up and get a lobotomy. Your brain function would probably immediatly improve 110%
Sharpton and Jackson should hurry up and kick the bucket. Race relations would probably improve 110% overnight!
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Neither Sharpton nor Jackson decided to enslave an entire race for 500 years. Neither Sharpton nor Jackson segregated a race for 100 years. Seems to me, race relations would improve if enslavers and oppressors kicked the bucket moron.
I believe the poster was wishing Buchanan a speedy meeting with Jesus.Isn't that a good thing?
Some people say Pat Buchanan should hurry up and kick the bucket ?
I guess Buchannan would know what a good lynchin' really looks like...
Funny, after a week of my beloved Media Matters arguing the unAmerican position of stripping away Imus' freedom of speech, the first logical writer to come forth is Pat Buchanan. Has Media Matters never heard of disagreeing with someone but fighting to the death for their right to say it.
Only the Constitution grants freedom of speech in this country.
Tell us... exactly what government body "stripped" Imus of his right to speak?
And while you're at it, tell us, since when does anybody have the "right" to an audience?
Think hard before you answer.
Imus still has the right to speak anywhere he wants.
What he doesn't have (and never had) is the "right" to a microphone and 10,000+ watts of broadcasting power. Imus can still go to any street corner in the US and say whatever enters his booze-addled mind.
AT NO TIME were his rights infringed upon.
Never. Not once.
From where I'm sitting, the wingnuts' beloved, all-powerful "free market" decided Imus' fate. His advertisers decided they no longer wished to fund his particular brand of bile, and his higher-ups made a business decision.
The system works! You should love it.
More than anything else, the US dollar is responsible for Imus' current joblessness!
The Leftopians hate to admit it, but the MARKET worked for 'em.
Ahh so these are the guys who got Imus fired. Now I know who to visit......
So media matters is supposed to make sure that convervative views are censored huh? Well you should have heard the liberal wackos on MSNBC today. This one woman, Gandy says that what Don Imus said was beyond racism and sexism. Really? How can somone be beyond rascism? Nappy headed ho's is beyond racism? Really? I would have though maybe burning a cross, burning down a church, public threatening of blacks to be beyond racism if that is even possible. I don't think a bad joke, said in comedic setting, and apologized for can accurately be called "beyond racism"
I like Pat Buchanan, He says it like it is. One of the few Republicans to heavily criticize Bush, and one of the few to speak the truth on illegal immigration. You know whatever people think about Don Imus, he speaks the truth as well or at least his opinion. You may not like his language, but it was true what he said about the rutgers basketball team, they are a tough bunch. I find it interesting that the girls all wore coats on TV, didn't want to show their tatoos did they? Also, the team was 90% black, with a couple of token whites, hmmm, not much diversity here, and not exactly representative of the school racial breakdown either. I also read a story that some of the girls have done some jail time for gang beating another girl on an opposing team. I guess media matters in not interesting in printing that story, only ones the help the liberal agenda.
So I guess you liberals want an America that is full of lies: if a black person with curly hair walks down the street, we should say they have straight hair, if a fat man walks by, we should say skinny, and if an ugly woman walks by, we need to say shes beautiful. Yes this will be great for society. What values!
Pat Buchanan is right Imus was lynched for being an old grumpy white man, that many do not like. He's a dying breed, most urbanites today are wimpy metro-sexuals, who are more concerned about their hair, or clothes, or their mocha lattes rather than their nieghbors dying of cancer, or the young men and women who are dying for our eroding phony freedom that everyone says is what America is all about. You liberals may control what I say, but you will never change what I think, and if you somehow think that the majority in this country will let what is 12% of the population(percentage of blacks in America) dictate to us how American is run, and censor our freedom of speech, you are very much mistaken. The lynching of Imus, has made it crystal clear where my interests need to be, and that there are many people in this country who would like to see me as white man, dead and gone for any mistake I may make. I am a Christan, and I forigve Don for his actions, just like I do for George Bush. I thought the black community had Christian values too, though, funny, Al Sharption nor Mr. Hymie-town, can find it in their so-called Christian hearts to forgive. Instead they needed to destory a man first, and the work he has done supporting legitimate black music artists, our troops and thousands of end stage cancer and autistic children. Sounds like a new Nazi party to me? Lot more hate and intolerance coming from blacks and women today than anyone else.......
LDoren and AnotherAmerican, please remove yourselves from the throne of right wing zombie supremacy.
Mr. Sure has just made the two of you look like functioning humans.
All hail, the new white Republican victim crybaby!
BTW…MrSure,
Just WTF do you mean, imply or harbor when you wrote, “Mr. Hymie-town”? Did you have anyone’s name in particular? If you were actually referring to Hassidic Jews, where do you get off doing that? Perhaps you surely deserve the big, sixth letter of the alphabet followed by the also big, twenty-first regarding your phrase, “…nor Mr. Hymie-town, can find it in their so-called Christian hearts to forgive”?
Note: This respondent has already descended too far into the reeking sub-basement of mrsure’s true miasmal persona. The mere condonation of both Imus & Buchanan, while spewing a thinly veiled, anti-Semitic missive, surely does not a Christian make. With such pretense, to invoke a mantle of self-protection with his maligning “Ego te absolvo”, surely does a vile hypocrite make.
Yagottabe kiddin' me. Surely you understand his derivation of "hymietown". Y'are kiddin', yes?
So its true the Rutgers basketball team is a bunch of nappy headed ho's. I think your momma is a nappy headed Ho. I also think you have sexual congress with farm animals. Which I have the right to say. What I DONT have the right to do and neither does anyone else, is broadcast this kind of ludicrous inanity on OUR airwaves. You can be happy though your brainwashing is complete. The koolaid has washed away all traces of your higher brain function. Congratulations.
"Hymietown" was about the 1984 New York Democratic Presidential primary and one thing that gets left out in repeating that Jackson remark is that the entire issue ofthe NY 1984 Dem Pres primary was moving the US embassy from Tel Aviv to Jerusalem.
Pat Buchanan is right Imus was lynched for being an old grumpy white man, that many do not like. He's a dying breed
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Thank God Imus and his ilk are a dying breed....Bye Bye ROFLMAO
MRSURE, Where in your "Christian" heart where you when in 1999 Jackson (your term Mr. Hymie-town) along with a delegation of other ministers freed 3 US soldiers who were held in Yugoslavia by Milocovic. Where was your so called "Christian" heart in April 2004 when Susan Hallums appealed to Jackson to help free her husband, US contractor Roy Hallums, held by Iraqi insurgents (boy I felt strange saying insurgents). As the Rev. DeForrest said of both of Jackson and Sharpton, you have to give forgiveness to BE a Christian. Jackson is not perfect, far from it BUT WHO IS? Do you want to be judged by one error or would you want people to consider your life as a whole? I can image that you would choose the whole because "people in glass houses don't and can't afford to throw stones"
To all of you who can only name Sharpton and Jackson as if they are the only black people speaking about Imus, GET OUT OF YOUR LILLY WHITE WORLD AND FIND AND LISTEN TO OTHER BLACK PEOPLE SPEAKING, there have been many.
Don Imus hired Benard McGurik to tell "ni**er" jokes, his words to Mike Wallace during an interview. He has apologized and continued to make racists remarks. His only problem was HE GOT CAUGHT!! Take a look at what happen to Jackie Robinson during the time he played baseball and maybe you can find your way to understand WHY black folks don't appreciate being called "nappy" and why women don't appreciate being called "ho". Your world appears to be very very small and I hate to tell you but unless you expand your world it will be smaller than it is NOW. You see minority populations are increasing and the "white" population is decreasing. Voices against Imus, Rush, Sean & Company will get louder and louder when they continue to use racists terms to describe anyone who is not white.
For all of you who say "what about the rap music?" Your kids are buying the bulk of the "rap" music and if you really really wanted it stopped . But you don't and have not. It's just an excuse for you to TRY to use in you defense of Imus. Get a clue, even Imus himself said what he said was WRONG!!! He does not need you to defend his freedom of speech, because he understands that it was NOT LOST. He just lost his ability to speak in the radio and TV airwaves.
On the prvious post that should have been every, Wah!
I had to save Pat for last. I have found myself in aggreement with Pat on occasion. I never thought it would happen. It did not happen here. I'd like to get him in a good wrestling hold, probably easier to dream than do, and say. "Those Damn Elite Pat! Where are they, Who are they. I know some folks who'd really like to discuss this with them, and what is your deffinition of elite too for that matter."
Wecome, I think MSURE. Its late. I'll have to give your a good study tmorrow and I hope to give a good reply, unless someone beats me to it. But just a glance indicates you think we fired Imus or caused him to be fired? Don't think you'll find alot of agreement here with that. The site did its thing, events proceeded that the site had little to do with. Yes the earth erupted with flowers and a strange yet attractive perfume enveloped us. And we knew it was good, sorta.
Manyana
"His rants usually sound better in the original German." Bist du bei mir, mein Liebchen?
And what precisely is your point? That German language and culture has forever been Nazified beyond redemption? Or is it just a typical example of the typical "liberal" kneejerk response (there are just too many of them in these MMA forums) and not an exercise in critical thinking? These forums would be much better off without such attitudes. Then again, let them all be posted, because it shows the exact composition and variety of the subscribers to Media Matters.
Oh, and please show some "sensitivity" toward ALL people (sarcasm ON).
He may have been referring to his German ancestry.
Albert, it's an old joke. If you come to this site, you need to have your sarcasm and humor detectors on.I'm not saying it's all sophistication and subtle satire here, but much funnier, and not as obvious, as your Rush Limbaugh/Ann Coulter brand of "humor".
Yikes, AlbertP, you reject generalizing and then you generalize: "And what precisely is your point? That German language and culture has forever been Nazified beyond redemption? Or is it just a typical example of the typical "liberal" kneejerk response...."
FYI: the international standard for neocon hypocrisy is to separate what you say and what you do by at least a single sentence.
Its a reference to what Molly Ivins said about Buchanons bigoted speech at one of the GOP conventions. We miss Molly. Not a shot at Germany or Germans.
Blech. Who's more elite than Buchanan? I expect his bathroom fixtures are gold-plated and he probably has multiple homes and more toilets than he could use in a day.
As far as the lynching allusion, if there is an inner circle of Hell, Buchanan just had his ticket punched.
"They are not 5-year-old girls, and they are capable of brushing off an ignorant comment by a talk-show host who does not know them, or anything about them. Who, after all, believed the slur was true? No one."
The frustrating thing about usually contemptible ideologues like Buchanan is that occasionally they make a good point.
Maybe but this wasnt one of them. I certainly thought it was a slur. In fact I cant believe anyone would DENY it was a slur.
i PERSONALLY CAN'T STAND PAT BUCHANAN. BUT MY MOMMA tHE MALWAYS SAYS "GIVE THE DEVIL HIS DUE" HE tHE DIDN'T EXCUSE IMUS BUT HE'S RIGHT WE BEAT THIS MAN IN THE GROUND WITH A N ADMITTEDLY AND ADMITTED HURTFUL REMARK. AND THIS CHARGE WAS LED BY TWO PEOPLE WHO DO NOT HAVE ENOUGH OF A MORAL STANDARD TO CALL OUT ANYBODY. THE MEDIA IS THE ONE WHO TREATS THESE TWO AS THOUGH THEY SPEAK FOR ALL BLACK PEOPLE.iMUS WAS WRONG BUT HE WAS AND IS NOT ALONE. AND HE HAS BEEN TREATED AS THOUGH HE WAS. aND THOSE GIRLS DID NOT BRING THIS TO THE MEDIA OR SHARPTON AND JACKSON IT WAS TOOK TO THEM. AND THEY MADE ME PROUD TO BE FEMALE, BLACK AND AMERICAN FOR THE FIRST TIME IN A LONG TIME. THEY DID NOT GO OUT FOR BLOOD. THEY WERE NOT THE ONES ON TV DEFENDING A DOUBLE STANDARD . AND EVEN THOUGH THEY WERE HURT AND ANGRY JUSTIFIABLY SO. THEY CHOSE TO WITHHOLD JUDGEMENT AND TRY TO UNDERSTAND WHAT WAS REALLY BEHIND THE COMMENT.AND THEY SAID IT BEST WHEN THEY SAID IT WOULD HAVE BEEN WRONG NO MATTER WHO SAID IT. THEN THEY SHOWED EVEN MORE GRACE BY LISTENING TO WHAT HE HAD TO SAY AND THEN ACCEPTING HIS APOLOGY. THEY NEVER ALLOWED THE COURT OF PUBLIC OPINION TO DICTATE YTHEIR BEHAVIOR INSTEAD THEY SHOWED US ALL HOW TO BE BIGGER PEOPLE. TOO BAD A LOT OF US DIDN'T GET THE LESSON ESPECIALLY THOSE PRAISING THEM AND THEIR BEHAVIOR. BUT STILL CALLING FOR IMUS' BLOOD EVEN AFTER HE APOLOGIZED. THEN ACT SURPRISED WHEN PEOPLE LIKE PAT BUCHANAN REACT THE WAY THEY DO. THE PHRASE ACTIONS SPEAK LOUDER THAN WORDS CUTS BOTH WAYS. YOU CANNOT SAY YOU FORGIVE SOMEONE AND MEAN IT. THEN GO FOR THEIR THROATS. YOU ALSO CANNOT HOLD PEOPLE TO A STANDARD TO WHICH YOU DO NOT HOLD YOURSELF.
Good points BRGHTHOPA. Easy on the caps please.
I offerred a coment today for mrsure.I've read the reactions to him. So. I still think a run down his message would be interesting. First sentance of the body. MMfa america doesn't censor. If they did dear annie wouldn't still at well paying work(?) Sorry don't know Gandy or her status as a liberal wacko,I wouldn't think it could be to solid. Beyond racism is pretty idiotic. Its a liberal opinion because you say so? Your examples can I think be also described as pretty much racism. Is there some special deffinition I don't know about? Final statement of the paragraph, I agree, in isolation, a perfectly reasonable statement.
Yah, how goes yea olde culture war. There's a number of NeoCons wanking at him, for a number of differant reasons. Pat is not alone on his side of the political map. Repotrting on any non media personality is beyond mmfa's rite. Otherwise you don't seem to think much of the team, and quite ready, it seems to beleive il of them.
Most of us are here because of the lies. Consideration and respect for the folks in our society and outside, is not flashy or macho.It shouldn't be a pain to make nice with people. Sometimes it is tricky, but I think always worth the effort.
Oh man where's the number of the local Metrosexual Anti- Defamation League. Where'd you get hung up on them besides possibly their uninterrest in being your kind of man? Care for cancer patients crosses all political boundries. It dosn't quite match the macho aspect you present. Your gioing to have to clarify your statement regarding our precious youth, and some a bit older being, you'll pardom my language, wasted in Iraq I presume you mean. Dying for our phoney freedom. I'm partway there. Clarification please. By what mechanism do I control what you say? I've no interest in merely getting my own opinion reflected back at me. The freedom of speach issue has been addressed, either on this thread or one close by. Read a couple. Know more before you attack again. If the black culture has much interest in arbiting national culture its news to me. You need constast, if everybody's cool its just another boring monoculture. Next statement is a bit paranoid, its the times we live in. Shortening up, if you want real examples of hate. This site can show you a lot of it in the reports they file. Again read a couple.
- eweston8542983 , patience of a saint. There seems to be a glut of these rightys piling on the BS, thanks for taking on the task of dealing with one of them point by point .
Waiting for the disscussion on Wolfowitz.
HUNTINGTONBEACHLEFTY thank you too and the half dozen or so regulars who post daily. Your an intelligent, witty, and capable bunch. I appreciate the forum and the atmosphere you help to maintain. I've ben luckly enough to work with a similar bunch for the last 27 years. They've made me look forward to going to work for most of those years.
I suppose a thank you to that vast right wing conpiracy also. With all the pain you've caused and lives destroyed for ideological reasons. You've made us work on oursevles. Look for reasons and information. With that commonly comes anger, and a realization hopefully that just being angry may be enough for those folks, but being itelligent, humane, and honest, or somwhere along those lines, means you can win,and hopefully bring everyone else along too. A way of life, a society with foundations that don't crumble upon exposure to light. Not an easy fight, but (disclaimer) just my opinion, one of the best.
Buchanan acknowledged Imus went over the top....What else do you Communist Sissies want? If you don't like the 1st Amendment, you can defect to Cuba or Venezuala...and join Castro and Chavez in insulting this country, its history, its military troops, its President, Vice President, Attorney General...etc
Buchanan is not only expressing his thoughts, but at the same time showing loyalty to the Imus' show, he used to appear on, watch and listen to. Without being afraid of Rvds. Sharpton/Jackson threats to NBC brass about muzzling opinion that doesnt mes w/ theirs..
This liberal pansy forum doesnt make you stronger...it makes you WEAKER...You may win little battles, but you'll not WIN national Presidential elections(Wars)...Imus's program attracted hundreds of thousands of Independent Voters...Those Independent Voters are gonna Vote GOP now..Bcuz they do not want Rvds. Sharpton/Jackson to have EASY access to the White House and threaten Presidents over legislation...their sway only works w/ Libs not Conservatives...
See Yall in '08 when Hillary Clinton will be embarrased in a Presidential Election loss to Mitt Romney...
Communist sissies?
To a degree, American troops fought Hitler's second best. It was "communist sissies" who broke the Wehrmacht's back.
Read, erase your ignorance, and then report back to neocon duty, son.
Sorry, but silly little name-calling tirades don't quite cut it. Why don't you try re-posting after taking a valium or two.
Why is it you rightwing MORONS never, NEVER know what you are talking about. WE are using our first amendment rights. Imus had NO first amendment rights to his JOB. I am AMAZED at how stupid people like you are. If you FASCISTS dont like US using our first amendments rights, the ONLY ones relevant in this discussion, then why dont YOU go live in Guatemala where your black fascist heart will fit right in. It will also serve the purpose of removing your IGNORANCE from our genepool. For the sake of America's collective IQ, I thank you in advance and advise you to leave as soon as possible
Some more history for you, Hun. Do you realize that the "communist sissies" dismantled their industrial infrastructure and moved it east of the Urals? And they did this under seige. And then they fought Hitler's best at Stalingrad in the snow. Those "communist sissies" were titanium tough.
Now drop a quarter on your tum-tum and tell me how high it bounced.
Don't call me, Hun - Flower Child...All of you take yourselves way too seriously and dramatically overreact like Sharpton/Jackson..Due to this overreaction, your brains are not on a even level - so thinking straight is totally out of the question.
Since you all admitted youre Communists, I have nothing more to say
Okey-doke, I won't call you "Hun".
How about "Comrade"?
But "Flower Child"? Oh, you're a hoot. I imagine you were frozen in 1968 and just thawed, for you use the archaic language of a long ago era. This is quite exciting for you. You'll soon see that there have been so many discoveries, like cell phones.
However, the communists are pert near gone, so you don't have to work yourself into a tizzy over that. They no longer threaten America. However, America isn't safe. There are these critters called neocons who occupy other countries, like the Soviets rolled into Eastern Europe, and borrow and borrow and BORROW money. China now owns us, thanks to the neocons, whose slogan is: "Don't tax, but spend."
Your comrade,
Holly
Miss Hollier than thou...your littany of complaints outnumbers the list you composed for Santa Claus last year.
Please write to Nancy Pelosi, so you can accompany her to Syria, Egypt, Iran and North Korea in order to have a 'discussion' with these rogue leaders. Or as you like to pertain to them, 'Misunderstood' Good Human Beings, whereas the leaders of your own country are miscreants and the greatest danger to the world.
Its nice that you can rant and rave, while grown-ups are left in charge of the country!
The grownups are only in charge of Congress. The idiot brigade is still in the white house. Since you arent quite bright enough to be a moron even being generous I suggest you send them your resume.
Good News! You and ahumm your 'Partner' no longer need to go to Canada to get hitched...Cherry pick from a variety of States in this Union - And you and Tom, Dick or Harry can live happily ever after..What a country!
Congratulations in advance!!
Nobody told you about the Republican visits to Syria before, during and after. No clue as to the coments they made afterwards? If you'd look at some of the information on site here before you vent, you might come accross a little better. We might even accuse you of having some intelligence.
Since you are a complete and utter moron. I will attempt to communicate at your level. Cold war over. You can look it up. No communists under your bed. You can stop making your mommy check everynight bedwetter.
Also it isnt up to your moron brigade to decide for US what is an overreaction. YOU are not the decider get over yourself. Since you have the IQ of a dustbunny and the average gerbil can outthink you on a good day, we dont trust what I will laughingly call your judgement on this anymore than we trust it on anything else. Please attempt to develop the capacity for higher brain function then get back to us.
this link sums this whole thing up beautifully, read it [link to www.kansascity.com]
No it doesnt it sums it up delusionally. Blame the victims for calling out the guy acting like a jerk. NO ONE is obligated to just accept abuse because someone ELSE has decided there is a larger problem somewhere else.
Dude, please! Take your delusions of persecution and stick it in a bottle(You may decide to recycle, before expressing your deep feelings) and send your SOS elsewhere..
Back away from the crackpipe moron, you have no brain cells to spare. Your ignorance is awe inspiring.
Oh, Jacob, my comrade, you're not all there, are you?
Upthread, you wrote, "Since you all admitted youre Communists, I have nothing more to say," but still you write and write.
Now, no one admitted that they're a communist, so you're seeing things. And since you're still sputtering, you told a little lie.
What do you have to say about P.B.? Anything? About Imus? Nothing? You just talk about hippies and commies and flower children as if it were still 1968. I assume you were alive in 1968, but even then, you must have been a bitter old man, whatever your age.
Buchanan is right. Very true.
You know, while I used to be a fan, this whiny little site has become something akin to the little snitch everyone hated in 2nd grade.
You guys thru Imus under the bus. Now, we lost our only listened-to halfway liberal on the radio. He supported Kerry & Harrold ford. And so he likes McCain -- personally. He's slammed him on the "Surge" and regularly calls The Pres. & VP war criminals.
So what if he doesn't walk in lockstep with the "libera agenda" -- I don't -- I'm a moderate...as is most of this country...somewhere in the middle.
I don't agree with O'Reilly -- who calls this site 'vile" -- but he's making inroads.
Stepping over a dollar to pick up a dime. Cutting off nose to spite face.
Ya mean something like that, I guess.
FYI...
"NAPPY" has been west coast surfer slang for "Cool" for a couple years. A visiting Christian performer was in a month or so ago, and called the local musicians "nappy" -- curious, and not linking it to anything racist, I asked him about it. And he explained it. In some segments of society, NAPPY=COOL. Go figure.
Oh please. Its embarrassing to keep hearing people try to explain how nappy headed ho's somehow WASNT racist. Give it up. We ALL know what was being said there.
And Solon, "ho" means you're a happy person.
Like Santa: "Ho, ho, ho."
And when you wear a white sheet on your head, you're a good guy 'cause good guys wear white. It's so. I saw it in a movie: "The Birth of a Nation."
Solon, I'm starting to think like a neocon!
How's this?
Bush is good. Attack, Bush, attack! Borrow, Bush, borrow! Decide, Bush, decide! Now, if I can just submit to misspelling and say, "Ditto, ditto, ditto," the transformation will be complete.
Am rather intrigued that you appreciate the dilemma I was contemplating about whether to tell a fib by continuing gracing these pages or remaining silent. Rather, I thought it indicative of me to continue, as the temptation to shoot fish in a barrel is infinitely more gratifying than abstaining from this looney forum.
Your attempts to pigeon-hole me to the 60's era is quite flattering, however, I am not that old, and to call me a 'neocon,' equally off the target! I am young, fresh, conservative and damn good looking. To pass up the chance to dissect your feeble arguments is much easier than performing an autopsy on Anna Nicole Smith.
Since 'Flower-Child' is much too 60'ish for you, how about, Pollyanna? That's a name from the early 1900s, prior to the only history you seem to know about, namely, WW2..
Lets cut to the chase, shall we? The Congress you all are very proud of having control over is not entirely in the grasp of Liberals. Lest, you forget an X-factor in the name of Joseph Lieberman. Yes, ring a bell? Once the budget debate reaches a crescendo and libs make an even bigger donkey of themselves, Mr. Lieberman plans to bolt to the GOP...thus throwing the Senate back to the Elephants thanks to the former Donkey..I don't live in a Pollyanna world, nor is my vision impaired w/ rose colored spectacles.
Can you tell me w/ 100% certainty, you think Lieberman will NOT bolt to the GOP? No, you can't. Neither can you tell me that a Democrat will win the requisite electoral votes for a Victory in '08..
Thats the bottom line, winning elections..everything else is child's prattle.
My dearest, darling damn good-looking Jacob,
You're young? You've only circled the Sun a score or slightly more of years? Then what are you doing here at MM with the grown-ups? Go sit at the card table! I'll be bringing you your neocon Jello soon enough.
Your beloved Holly-mommy