Savage called Media Matters' David Brock "a straight-out maniac"
On the April 13 broadcast of his nationally syndicated radio show, Michael Savage said of Media Matters for America: "They're people who attack me. It's run by a homosexual activist who hates anybody in the media who does not kowtow to the homosexual agenda." Referring to Media Matters' CEO and President David Brock, Savage added, "The man who runs it is, in my opinion, a straight-out maniac. He would belong much more happily in the ex-Soviet Union." Savage has previously referred to Media Matters as "a gay website that attacks me every day" and called Brock "a psychopath."
Savage further claimed on his April 13 show that Media Matters is "funded by" progressive philanthropist George Soros. He stated: "They've held themselves up as somehow above the fray, only looking for fair-mindedness in the media. It turns out that they are, in fact, funded by one of the most vile anti-American creatures in the world, George Soros." Savage went on to call Soros "a totally dangerous individual" who "doesn't miss an opportunity to attack this country" and "should be stripped of his citizenship." Similarly, Internet gossip Matt Drudge and right-wing radio host Rush Limbaugh both recently claimed that Media Matters is a "Soros operation" and "Soros-funded." In fact, Media Matters has not received funding from Soros.
Earlier in the broadcast, in reference to the firing of syndicated radio host Don Imus, Savage said: "I'll tell you who's behind this: it was [Sen.] Hillary Clinton [D-NY]." Savage continued: "I believe [Rev. Al] Sharpton was told by Hillary to go after him, and to go after him with tooth and claw. We understand that Imus made a comment that was racist and idiotic. But I believe he was terminated because of Hillary Clinton." As Media Matters noted, on the April 16 edition of his nationally syndicated radio show, Limbaugh similarly asserted that Imus was fired because he was "critical of Hillary."
Additionally, Savage claimed that Imus is "a liberal Democrat." However, as Media Matters noted, Imus has expressed his support for two 2008 Republican presidential candidates, Sen. John McCain (R-AZ) and former New York City Mayor Rudy Giuliani.
The Savage Nation reaches more than 8 million listeners each week, according to Talkers Magazine, making it the third-most-listened-to talk radio show in the nation, behind only The Rush Limbaugh Show and The Sean Hannity Show.
From the April 13 broadcast of Talk Radio Network's The Savage Nation:
SAVAGE: But you see, if you look at this very carefully, there's a much bigger picture here. Al Sharpton is not the issue. I will tell you who's behind this: it's Hillary Clinton. It was Hillary Clinton who hated Imus. Imus is a liberal Democrat, but he has been bashing Hillary Clinton every day as Satan. I believe Sharpton was told by Hillary to go after him, and to go after him with tooth and claw. We understand that Imus made a comment that was racist and idiotic. But I believe he was terminated because of Hillary Clinton.
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SAVAGE: Seattle, Washington, [caller], you're up on The Savage Nation. Topic, please.
CALLER: Hello, sir, how are you doing? Yes, I was looking on NewsMax.com today, and there was a story about George Soros' group taking responsibility for the Imus hit, and that they assigned monitors to his show, and --
SAVAGE: Right. They're people who attack me. It's run by a homosexual activist who hates anybody in the media who does not kowtow to homosexual -- the homosexual agenda. It's called Media Matters. The man who runs it is, in my opinion, a straight-out maniac. He would belong much more happily in the ex-Soviet Union.
But we found out today on NewsMax that Media Matters is not an independent watchdog agency. In fact, it's funded by George Soros. I thought that something that did come out in the laundry in this whole affair that's very interesting. They've held themselves up as somehow above the fray, only looking for fair-mindedness in the media. It turns out that they are, in fact, funded by one of the most vile anti-American creatures in the world, George Soros. I saw that as well, [caller].
CALLER: Yeah, it just disturbed me because, you know, only -- how can in America -- can these people be allowed to operate like that, you know?
SAVAGE: Well, George Soros should be stripped of his citizenship. George Soros is a totally dangerous individual. He tried to buy the last election. Remember he spent $30 million of his own money to defeat George Bush? I mean, this is crazy. This guy doesn't miss an opportunity to attack this country. And here he was, a Hungarian Jewish refugee to this country.
The Brock-Savage fued barely eeks out the Olbermann-O'Reilly fued by a nose....film at 11.
Tommy...that was hilarious.
MMFA must be doing something right if they managed to get Savage so russled up.
How can a Barry Goldwater conservative not like Michael Savage? Savage is a Barry Goldwater conservative.
Yeah but he has that insanity thing going. Kinda spoils the effect.
You would know!!
(((((SAVAGE)))))
Yes, I would, having a functioning cerebral cortex is a wonderful thing you should try it some time. It is very useful, though obviously you WOULDNT know. It allows me to do things like recognize insanity. Also blatant stupidity, also to remember things like the large number of times incredibly ignorant posts are signed with the nick checkers. Go play nice with the other challenged children now, the grownups are talking.
Congratulations!! You didn't resort to name-calling (not much). Maybe we can get along after all.
You assume I want to 'get along' with you. Or think about you in any way. You arent coming over to my house for dinner and we wont be exchanging pen pal letters. I dont think about you at all. I respond to posts. Nothing more nothing less. When yours are reasoned mine will be when YOURS are snarky lets just say I prefer honest hostility to the hypocritical mask of false civility.
That humming sound you hear is Barry Goldwater spinning in his grave after being compared to a low-life loser like Michael Weiner.....
Why do the liberals say kind things about Goldwater now? Liberals basically said that he was insane when he ran for president in 1964.
Compared to assholes like Michael Savage, Barry Goldwater WAS sane. He was even in favor of gay rights, which would make your little conservative pinhead explode......
So you're insane if you're against gay rights?
Personally, I prefer the theory that Imus was fired because he threatened to spill the beans about 9-11.
Well I see Mike is still yapping about MMFA even after he swore he'd never mention them again.
Savage is a tad off-kilter...mentally.
Don't enjoy his rants? Turn the dial.
I've never listened to the guy and have no desire to. But if others like him, then fine.
Oh I agree, I don't particularly care to listen to him but I see no reason why others shouldn't if they so desire.
However, if he or anyone else says something offensive, I see no reason why my only option should be to "turn the dial." What's so wrong with drawing attention to someone's offensive speech? I'm not talking about censorship or getting someone fired... just healthy criticism.
That being said, this particular post... ho hum.
Because Val, barring some extreme examples - getting in the middle of some fued between two adult media personalities or public figures, playing referee to their insults against each other.........well, what does it really accomplish? Partisans stake their battle sides, while it goes unnoticed on the rest, who yawn through it.
Hey Tommy:
Since you have the free time (no life) to spend six hours a day on a website you don't like, how about spending some time trying to find an instance where Brock insulted Savage. I'm sure you can find an example ; )
Do you get the feeling that Tommy accesses this web site from the computer in his parents' basement? Because he's actually 37 years old, unemployed, and still living at home?
:-)
Perhaps my challenge to Tommy will be an incentive for him to find meaningful employment.
Right now, he IS serving as a bad example.....
:-)
The outrage over Imus is overblown and fake. Taking Savage seriously is something I don't do. These guys are entertainers with a wacky conservative slant. People who want them silenced, punished, or removed from the air are no better than they are. Maybe if Air America added a bit of entertainment to the mix (Lionel coming to the 9am- noon (eastern time)), more people would be compelled to listen. The airwaves aren't really that public anyway--mostly owned by mega-corporations-- so the complaint that the "public' airwaves are being used in a bad way holds no water at all.
Val,
I guess I think Savage is just so unhinged that he isn't worth spending much time on. But you're right, if others want to comment on his crazy rants, they of course are welcome to.
Say what you will about Limbaugh or O'Reilly--and I know you all will ;-), but at least they are coherent ... unlike Savage's who has a brain which appears to be made up of the stuff we all scrape off our muddy boots
Well, I am still 90% convinced that "Savage" is a total put-on, as the Freepers seem to believe...
Interesting theory. I'd never heard that one before. Though nothing shocks me much anymore
Thanks for the link Val :-)
The funny part about the "Savage as performance artist" theory is that the freepers have their suspicions, yet there are occasional posters here who earnestly argue his qualities as a commentator.
Funny on 2 levels;The dimwit weiner-fans who post here
1. ... worship somebody who even their fellow conservatives think might be a joke, and,
2. are possibly stoopider than freepers. that's gotta be rough.
There is nothing wrong with changing your name for broadcast work. It's done all the time. Why do people almost exclusively go after Savage for this? It just diminishs the point you are trying to make.
It looks like alot of those "freepers" are on Savage's side too. I might just have to go over there and kick some anti-Savage "freeper" butt.
You ought to try, you might stand a chance there and it should make a nice change from us mopping the floor with you post after post.
Yes. Go there. Go there now. Fly like the wind. Do not tarry, for they anxiously await your gems of wit. They starve for the sustenance of your knowledge. They thirst for your insight.
Go quickly, now. Speak of it no more, but turn those words of salvation into actions of moral deliverance. Get thee to thy destiny post haste, lest those whose judgement is wanting are condemned to be deprived of the cognitions of Weiner forever...
Oh man, thats classic. Good job.
You read ONE Shakespeare play and you think you can copy the great Bard?
Read some more, pal.
Thanks for that link! Very Interesting.
I agree. He doesn't appeal to me and i can't understand how he could find an audience but I would really love to see him campaign for the presidency.
We need someone to liven things up. If only to see how the talking heads respond to him. I'd even tune in to see Hume, Hannity and the other Fox "intelligentsia" discuss his run.
One thing I've noticed about the right wing screech monkeys is they all do the projection thing pretty consistantly.....if anybody is a "straight out maniac"....savageweiner is the hands down all-time champ!!!
PS...I'm already quite sick of all the new trolls who have been showing up here lately....this is being turned into a juvinile flame throwing,chair throwing freakshow..... And, can we do any better than the grade school HAHAHAHA and BWAHAHAHA followed by multiple exclamation point...s^*t ....go back to freeperland..
PDrum, CA
lol Row
I HAVE noticed some new "trolls" in the area lately. No problem with it though, maybe they'll learn something and stop kow towing the Bush Administration...lol.
Bush stinks. You'll never find me kissing his butt.
True enough. I dont get your strange fascination with Mr Weiner but you are a reasonable conservative who so far seems to actually recognize and deal with reality.
Ahhh Bush stinks and you'll never kiss his butt, but you did vote for him didn't you? A vote is much more powerful than a ill-conceived post
No, I never voted for him. I didn't vote in either 2000 or 2004.
Yeah Rowlndfamily a lot of new posters have shown up lately.
Like for instance...who are you?
I've been here for 2 plus years I don't recall your moniker.
And enough with calling folks who don't share your opinions, trolls.
this is a new handle but i think everyone knows me anyway...
Why change labels? No matter where you go, there you are.
"this is a new handle but i think everyone knows me anyway..."
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Don't flatter yourself. There is nothing at all in your posts to distinguish you from any other troll.
Maybe the term gets a tad over used, but Jeter a lot of these newbie’s are indeed inflammatory and love hyperbole to put it politely. For instance not long ago I said that we (America) should be more thoughtful and reflective about of how our actions impact the rest of the world and a troll called me an America Hating Leftist. Of course I disagree with that assessment of myself since I'm an America Loving Progressive, but seriously if you want to have real conversation and debate there is no need to use that kind of rhetoric. I can't even remember what else the guy said after that. Maybe he said something profound but the name calling stopped the discussion for me. Calling these guys what they are isn't wrong, and some of them seem downright unhinged ala Mike Savage. They showed up with the Imus threads. I've noticed that a lot of trolls often show up on race related threads, but many don't stick around long. After they post what seems like unending posts telling me how I should work hard, be responsible and stop having pity parties and illegitimate babies (do you know how annoying it is to have some kid probably younger than my own kid show up on these boards and chastise me about being responsible) they generally either settle down or they leave on their own volition or they get the boot from MMFA.
Hey Lynn,
Yeah there was an influx of *newbies* during the Imus controversy. Don't know if they were only visiting or if most are sticking around. And certainly some sounded like *Trolls*.
The *Troll* word is so overused here by some that after awhile it loses it's real meaning.
While there are *Trolls* that hit & run, never to be heard from again, some here refer to anyone with an opposing viewpoint as a *Troll*.
It gets tiresome.
I have to admit, Jeter, I've been called many things in the past on this site , but I was very surprised to have been called a troll (repeatedly) just yesterday.It seems to come from those who have deservedly had the name used on them, as a pre=emptive projection kinda thing.
BTW, Jeter,You're in Mass,? Get my poor little California Los Angeles Angels of Anaheim the hell outta there ! Ouch,
I remember this site during the Terry Schiavo circus. The place was packed with nutballs intent on "saving" her and slandering Michael Schiavo. It was like the invasion of the Frist people. Very disturbing.
Folks who don't share my opinions are mainly why I'm here.
Folks who post inflammatory stuff just to get a reaction bore me.
Folks who are really right-wingers but who pose as progressives and say stuff like "Let's get Coulter next" to try and make us all look like thought-control zombies really chap my ass.
It used to be manageable to have a conversation around here. There were about three conservatives, ten honest liberals, ten right-wing trolls and thirty far-left nut jobs. (Everyone can classify themselves). Now there are six conservatives, twenty five wingnuts, twenty five honest liberals, forty far-left moonbats, fifty hit and runners, thirty concern trolls and fifteen monikers that look like DGRT9864322.
But that's okay.
As Rush says, I'm not going anywhere until everyone agrees with me ;-)
Being a PROUD far left nutjob. I gotta tell ya, you are here for the looooong haul
Yeah, an occasional "lol" in response to a funny post I can handle, but the HAHAHAHA's are the tip-off to stoopidity.I mentioned this to a con poster who couldn't figure out why he isn't taken seriously here. Aside from being very dull, it starts way too many posts with a laugh track.
I guess the idea is that others will be convinced that whatever the poster is disagreeing with is "laughable", which could be demonstrated with a good post and no laugh track.
The forced Tom Cruise laughter is also used to introduce ratings figures for righty media, and perceived victories in imaginary battles.
You are talking about SOLON, no doubt?
Nah, the liberals here love me, for the most part
No, Solon constantly has to deal with the "HAHAHAHA"ers though.
I love Solon's posts! The majority of them are rigth on...
He is the is liberal pit-bull of MMFA that isn't afraid to pull any punches. Solon, you could be the MMFA garbage man if your prefer (taking out the trash and all)
Solon's posts are usually diametrically opposed to mine, therefore he is wrong most of the time :)
However, he is one of the most fair, honest, upfront and intelligent posters on this site. He argues with integrity, grit and pulls no punches......I have much respect for him. And he cracks me up with his humor, he comes off like a meanie - but as I've told him, he's just a pussycat.
Since when is Solon the appointed the protector of this site? I guess he sees himself as the one person who has to respond to alternative points of view with his succesful insults. What, does he get paid to police this site and ensure that anyone who posts something that doesn't tow the liberal line is met with clever little insults? As I have written before...ignorance is bliss and he seems to be tha happiest person around.
Yes you have butchered that quote before while trying to make a point about MY ignorance. There are many very bright liberals here. I am just one that doesnt suffer morons like you gladly. Many of the liberals here eschew personal attacks taking the high road. I applaud their sentiment. I have decided to take a different route. When posters are talking facts and issues so will I, WHEN they take the debate into the mud I will follow them there. I make no appolgies for this. It isnt my fault that I have an IQ that puts your little pea brain in the toilet. It isnt my fault that this makes you insecure and snarky. It isnt my fault that even after I pointed OUT to you the real quote was WHERE ignorance is bliss, tis folly to be wise you are still to stupid to GET what the quote is about. That Bliss is the GOAL and wisdom is a vehicle. Making the vehicle more important than the goal is counterproductive. You have now repeatedly shown your ignorance and inability to understand a point EVEN WHEN IT IS POINTED OUT TO YOU. To make it simple in the VAIN hope that you MIGHT get it. Ignorance is NOT bliss. If it were YOU wouldnt be so irritable.
Lord have mercy! I didn't think it would be that easy to bait you in. I stand by my statments. Every time there is discussion here, you never fail to provide silly insults to anyone who dares to disagree with issues as the way you see them. Being passive aggressive does not suit you I would presume. I did win ten dollars because you refered to your I.Q. as being higher than someone elses. Unforutnately, I lost five of it later in your positng because you didn't use your famous "gerbil level I.Q." quote in any context. Predictability is a quality to some, I guess, and I just couldn't help betting someone that I knew how you would respond.
Just how high is your I.Q.? I know we are all on pins and needles because you constantly refer to your intellectuall abillity and the intellectual failings of others. Inquiring minds want to know. Narcissism is a quality to some as well, I guess.
And lastly, I don't how many times I have to explain this to you. The Thomas Gray quote you so vainly refer to stands on it's own. The quote I use "ignorance is bliss" and alternative quotes such as "if ignorance is bliss" have a long history in American literature, essays, screenplays, and other media formats. Based upon their historical usage they could be commonly described as American Proverbs. Now ,I shall explain this to you one more time hopefully in a way that even you can understand. The quote I used "ignorance is bliss" was used in a colloquial format and put into context to indicate that my perception of you is that you are wonderfully happy in your lack of knowledge. Now, if you are still having problems understanding this. I will be happy to give you my office hours and maybe we can set you up with a tutor. Or, if somehow by the miracle of osmosis this has sunk in then please just stop self appointing yourself as the protector of people who post here with whom you agree. By doing what you do, you are essentially insulting the intelligence of the people here who do agree with you. Do you think they can't come with silly insults as well. But then again, you have never had a problem with proclaiming how intelligent you are so insulting the intelligence of others is something you just can't help.
Oh, I have another bet on how you will respond. Can't wait to see how predictable you really are. I'll let you know cause if you keep making me money I'll give you a cut.
Oh I see. Then you were baiting or trolling. It doesnt really matter what MY IQ is. I was only pointing out how LOW yours was. Why do I do this? I have pointed this out many times. It is a generic insult. I use it most often to those posters who use stereotype insults about liberals because it is the stereotype about conservatives. I also use it most often to posters who are obviously fairly bright. The point is not to hurt someones feelings, its to point out how easy such retorts are, and how useless.The key to successful insults is credibility do you thing it hurts Callista Flockhearts feelings when someone calls her fatty? I am making a point. One you obviously didnt get. What a shock. The same with my Pythonesque repitition. Why bother to come up with shiny new repostes to the SAME OLD STALE GARBAGE. Your post was a replay where is MY obligation to be original in my response? It, again, makes a point. Your post was rude. So was mine that is how I respond to rudeness it is a lie that I respond that way to anyone who disagrees with me. I have many discussions with those who disagree that dont devolve into namecalling I will however return rudeness for rudeness. As to your point about colloquial usage. It is a fair point but to me not a good one. It is anyway you look at it a MISUSE of the original intent of the original point the quote was making. The fact it has been butchered by intellectually lazy people long enough to enter American lexicon as an idiom doesnt change that. I am easy to bait. If that is what you want to do then we can flame back and forth from now on. Thats fine with me. IF reality matters to you at ALL and you want a substantive discussion I actually prefer that. Feel free however, if it makes you feel intellectually superior or like you are accomplishing something to continue to bait me and we can go at it. Its all the same to me.
Maybe Soros will contribute now and some more moderators can be hired.
Clinton told Shapton to go after Imus... un-freakin'-believable!! This *man* should write fiction, because he's so dang' good at coming up with crazy plots...
Somehow I find it hard to accept the suggestion that Al Sharpton is taking orders from much of anyone.
TOMMY!! And others.... this is EXACTLY why people should expose Savage-like *people* and their lies... the caller NOW thinks MMFA is funded by the worst anti-American person on the planet... IGNORING THESE LIARS DOESN'T WORK!!! Calling them out on their sh-ite every time does...
uh mr l, check wikipedia's media matters entry. soros funs moveon.org which has given money to mmfa. if A -> B -> C then A -> C
I give my son an allowance.... he gives some to the school bully or he gets pounded... THUS, I FUND BULLYING!! Thanks for the lesson in logic, there, buddy- hey, did you know the goverment SPONSORED the VT massacre? I know!! It's crazy, but they DID!! Apparently, the shooter got tax dollars back and bought guns with it...
Maybe if he gave some to the school bully he wouldn't get pounded?
Just a thought :)
its illegal for cigarette companies to hand out free samples to kids, so instead they give free samples to a 25 yr old and then with a wink and a nod he goes out and hands them to the elementary school children. same idea. it stinks.
Yes but it wouldnt be illegal for Soros to give MMFA money, there wouldnt be anything wrong with it at all. Thats where it all falls apart you see.
So you are defending Soros, an anti-American moron (your fav word) and think Mike is somehow "bad." You really need to refocus your priorities. I'm not saying you have to like Savage.; just realize Soros is a menacing lefty.
I make up my own mind about people, and dont get my opinions from rightwing screechmonkeys who are either insane like Weinerdog, moronic cretins like Hannity or basic human debris like Beck, and SHOCK, I dont agree with your opinion of Soros. I AM a lefty and dont see them OR him as dangerous.
"So you are defending Soros, an anti-American moron"
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Please offer up any kind of legitimate corroboration for the statement that Soros is either anti-American or a moron. Do not hesitate to be clear, concise and reasoned in your presentation.
If you can't, then STFU. Please.
The Bush family gave $$ to Hitler.
Just sayin'...
Personally, if this whole Soros thing is true (which is doubtful), I think it's something to be proud of. I'd LOVE to have a rich financier who had the same political beliefs as I do. Together, we could get a lot accomplished for the betterment of our country.
Alas, Soros is only one. He's up against Murdoch and Scaife and Moon and Robertson and...
Ah yes. Wikipedia.
The definitive reference source for all political knowledge.
Y'know Pliskin, I could go to Wikipedia right now and create a Lt. Pliskin entry which features such "facts" as "MMFA poster Lt. Pliskin regularly fellates livestock, his mother was a hamster, and his father smelled of elderberries."
Then I'd come back here and cite it in a response to one of your posts.
That's not to say that there isn't useful information on Wikipedia. But a reliable source for partisan political information it ain't.
Please dont feed the troll.
What if A is ZERO then the entire problem is zero
I thought for a moment that Savage would have one piece without a comment about homosexuality. Nope.
Well Jeter, since you were kind enough to ask......I've been reading this site pretty nuch since it started....just never felt the urge to post...It was always enjoyable reading and it did include difference of opinion. All well and good....but the site seems to be taking a turn for the worst. That is only my opinion and has NOTHING to do with posters not "sharing my opinion" Good try though...
I have posted here a few times before...just don't make a lifestyle out of it ....unlike SOME people..... who are you indeed! Like they sometimes say here in CA....Locals only Dude! ...You own stock?
PDrum, CA
I totally agree with you on the new and used trolls stirrin' up the pot around here... I swear, I get the sense someone is paying some people to go on this site just to blather their nonsense... Anybody seen Rove lately, or what he does with our tax dollars...??
Which reminds me, today is tax day - don't forget to send your dollars to Uncle Karl - I need my allowance.
He is cancelling his e-mails
L and Rowland...
....agreed, we gotta stop those trolls from immigrating in here. Just trouble for our MMFA way of life...upsets things.... they're trying to change things, challenging the way we've always thought...nobody asked 'em to come,they should just disappear...they're takin' up space...
...stop these immigrants...it used to be just us here...things are changin', and its upsetting....
Halting immigration of trolls is something conservatives would do. Jesus would accept these trolls with open arms and with love. We're liberals and progressives to turn someone away, because they're a troll would put us in the same category as the Pat Buchanans.
Somehow I am not suprised you (liberals) do not like a difference of opinion. The statement above makes you sound no different then a Nazi who wants to rid the world of Jews.
And your post makes you sound no different from the mindless moron you are.
Never an original thought from you , is there?
Sure there are plenty of them. YOUR misfortune is that you will have to somehow aquire the equipment necessary for higher brain function to recognize them, and then PAY someone to explain them to you to UNDERSTAND them. Good luck with that.
Point out some of yours, please.
they're trying to change things, challenging the way we've always thought...
No, trying to change things is good,most trolls don't want anything to change, except the good stuff.Most people here haven't "always" thought a certain way, but have figured out a few things. I, personally, like being challenged.Spouting snippets of Rushbo's show isn't challenging, it's boring.
Posters who want to change things (for the better) and who are capable of challenging ideas (not screeching) are not called trolls.
"Unlike some people"?
Low blow, Damn, I have to get a life!
Yeah King a onlooker who reads this site daily and finally posts suggests we have no life. Well pot meet kettle ;-)
Sorry Rowlndfamily8007 I fail to see how you're any different than us...other than we join into the discussion, and you lurk.
Wow!
Somebody go get the white jacket for this dirtball.
Brock or Savage? (or Soros?)
SOROS!!!!
A site which is HIGH PROFILE and SUCCESSFUL will draw the curious. With Limbaugh and Savage and others HOWLING about MMFA, the Freepers are driven to come by, and then to comment.
I for one think it's a great development. MMFA can expose the misinformation, the lying, and the propaganda that the rightwing is flooding the Media with, and then we have these new posters to prove that the propaganda is WORKING, and what kind of people it fools.
Luckily, it's down to the hardcore diehards on the rightwing side ... not enough votes to elect a dog catcher, and it's getting worse. But Bush's 30% are getting louder as their frustration level rises. And this influx of new posters also shows that the stark fear the party's over is hitting, with Imus' losing his job. "Oh, my GOD!" screech the rightwingers. "If IMUS can be bounced for being a MILD racist, bigot, misogynistic hate-spewing Hillary-hater, WHICH OF OUR SPOKESPERSONS WILL BE NEXT? Boortz? Savage? Hannity? Coulter? Matthews? (on and on goes the fear).
Welcome, vocal Freepers. It's good to know you have identified the worst threats to your reign of terror (6 years of Dubya): MMFA, and the TRUTH.
Bingo. Great post.
Bingo?
"Gong" would be more appropriate, for tedium and pomposity.
There ya go, Solon--a veritable gift from me, an invitation for another installment of your "Don Rickles with a touch of Daniel Webster" sageness.
Nah, doesnt meet my standards for flamebait. No stereotype insults, no garbage, mindless talking points we have already debunked a few dozen times. A difference of opinion. As the Romans used to say in matters of opinon debate us useless. I found it insightful, you disagree. Nothing wrong with that.
Oh and I think the word you were looking for is sagacity
Darn, it IS hard to get you into a corner...
....back to the drawing board....
..."sageness" is allowable, by the way, for phonetical edging in this context...infers a mastery of a technique rather than a mere attempt at it.
True enough, I appreciate that, truthfully I hadnt seen the word used before. I wasnt really criticising your grammer so much as making reference to your citing Daniel Webster.
Tex, I hate to admit it, but I enjoy the nuts coming over. I haven't been posting here that long, but I have seen a change.
Although I get pretty bored when things devolve into back and forth name calling, or when one poster (or more) doesn't realize they're out of bullets, it can be pretty entertaining.
Some of them seem a little stunned,coming from the protected world of the righty sites, or their circle of friends,that the talking points they've built their lives on are like smoke when they get here.The smarter ones post a few times and split, but you gotta enjoy the ones that keep posting, oblivious to the clown show they're providing for free.
HUNT: Amen.
HUNT:
You don't get it yet. The Tired Old Liberal Dreamworld is the STATUS QUO; it was tried for forty years, failed, and it's over--repackaging it as " Progressive" doesn't change anything--the logical thinking electorate ain't buying it any more than it is going to buy, say, Bush's North American Union.
I WILL give the Left credit for getting off its tired old @ss and at least breaking ranks enough to support Dubya in his grandiose NAU plan. Guess that WOULD qualify as PROGRESSIVE.
Congratulations for supporting Dubya in a big way, Progressives!
HUNT:
MAYBE you don't get it yet. The NEOCON Dreamworld is the STATUS QUO ("Stay the Course"). It has been tried for ten years, has utterly failed, and it's OVER -- repackaging it as "Compassionate Conservativism" doesn't change anything--the logical thinking electorate ain't buying it any more (threw the GOP bastards out in 2006, and Bush hasn't polled higher than 30% in YEARS). Just as the electorat isn't buying, say, Bush's School Voucher or Social Security Privatization plans.
It IS sad to note that, in order to support Bush and his NeoCons, America's "Conservatives" have abandoned all their root principles, such as smaller and less intrusive government, fiscal responsibility, open and accountable government, non-intervention in the business of other nations, protection of our borders, and defending the Constitution and our Bill of Rights (not to mention a prideful image of America as a shining beacon of equality, justice, fair treatment, and morality ... which have been stamped out by torture and warmongering without any justification). All those principles went out the window when Bush walked in the door.
So, America's true conservatives have not been marginalized, they have been effectively ELIMINATED and rendered irrelevant. Now, it's either BUSH, or SANITY. The nation is opting for sanity.
I believe Tex, this might be the first thing I've agreed with you on, and I've been here for awhile. These are not the Conservative ideas I've known or voted for. Higher debt, more intrusive Govt, etc. Not really Conservative principles. You are correct there. Can't dispute a word of it. I do however, disagree with your point about Conservative vs sanity. If sanity for you is Democtrats, I'll go Conservative everytime. Sanity seems to tax me too much.
TEX--
More than enough to agree on in your post, so I won't belabor the semantics (Progressive vs. Conservative, etc).
On a lighter note, Clinton (part of those last ten years)will go down as the only pres. to do hanky-panky between two Bushes.
I'm not one of the 30% who support Bush. I also don't care about Imus. He's a loser. I'm a member of the Savage Nation. I can't wait for President Michael Savage.
I guess saying you CANT wait is a way of saying you arent waiting which would be a good thing. Since THAT would be a serious wait, something like waiting for the seas to dry up and the stars to burn out and dissapear from the skies. If I might make a suggestion if you ever DO find yourself waiting for this dont hold your breath and wait next to the fountain of youth. You will know it because Godot will be there riding a unicorn.
"The man who runs it is, in my opinion, a straight-out maniac"
Hey Mr. Weiner Savage, you know how the saying goes, right?
Takes one to know one.
We have another genius here.
WOW....An "onlooker" a "lurker" and a "dirtbag"....guess I can't be part of your little club eh? .... I am not worthy!
You guys make my point better than I can.
PDrum,CA
Just ignore Jeter. I do.
And feel free to flag anything that Pliskin guy says too.
I'm pretty sure it's just Col.Roy trying to get himself banned again so he can tell all his buddies that the mean ol' so-n-so's at MMFA kicked him off and hurt his feewings.
'Course, if he had half a brain, he'd know exactly why his comments are getting flagged.
Just ignore Jeter. I do.....by deeznuts
No you don't, though I wish you would. Actually you do IGNORE my responses to your replies to my posts. Why? Because you can't best them so you run away, never to return.
Here's just 2 of the latest examples:
http://mediamatters.org/items/200704130016?offset=40&show=1#comments
http://mediamatters.org/items/200704110014
Please feel free to ignore me deez, and I'll gladly return the favor.
Yes Jeter, your average Liberal is afraid of confrontation.
OK, Ironmaiden, I've been trying to avoid preying on the weakest, but I sensed you were asking for confrontation, so I went back to your most recent post.
"Somehow I am not suprised you (liberals) do not like a difference of opinion. The statement above makes you sound no different then a Nazi who wants to rid the world of Jews."- IronMaiden
I'd love to "confront" you, but I have no idea who you were responding to.There were no comments near this that even made sense.
This seems to be a new M.O. here. Post something unrelated to the topic or other posts,then accuse other posters of not addressing the substance of the post, or not "confronting" you.This is real similar to what got me called a troll.Incoherent posts, to which I asked politely "WTF", then had to listen to a bunch of crying about my failure to address the substance.
Give us some substance.
Hey HBL!
Don't you recognize our old friend?
I think the new metalhead is none other than "whereismiddleamerica", who was formerly "EvilLib".
Compared to our latest visitors, he ain't so bad.
This doesn't make me a troll. does it?
What's truely ironic/hilarious is that IronMaiden quoted Lemoc, which is your typical uber-conservative wingnut, not a liberal by any stretch.
Yeah ironhead your average is too ignorant for words actually defying description.
Meaning you couldn't think of anything else to say.
Hey genius, dont look now but I DID say something. You do know that you arent very good at this RIGHT?
When you lose, just say you win. You're in dreamland.
Win? Lose? Are there prizes here? I thought we were just making comments and generally wiping the floor with idiots like you. I didnt know there was any winning involved. I guess I COULD put it in the win column that I am not half as ignorant or delusional as YOU are.
You like to throw names around and claim your "brilliance", which is typical leftist drivel. When the shoe's is on the other foot you get hysterical.
Deal with it. There's alot more coming.
As usual for conservative morons like yourself you assume facts not in evidence. YOU have never seen me proclaim MY brilliance only YOUR stupidity. See saying I am a lot smarter than YOU is only claiming at BEST an average IQ. The FACT YOU are a moron doesnt make me a genius. I probably just seem that way to YOU.
You started with me now have your feeling hurt that several of us shred you unmercifully. You wanted to snipe at us then snivel like a little girl we were so mean to you WWAAAHHHHH. As for more coming bring it on this is all entertainment for me.
Look who's claiming that I said something that you didn't say.
<>I never claimed to be smarter than you, or ever had hurt feelings....total (hilarious) NONSENSE . What a joke!
If you would be consistent in your comments, instead of making false claims maybe you would make some sense. As it stands, you are nothing but a name-calling lefty without one ounce of decency. Well, maybe a little...
SAVAGE MATTERS.
rowlndfamily,
While it's true I referred to you as an "onlooker" and a lurker" [both by the way are accurate] I did not call you a "dirtbag".
Just clarifying that MISINFORMATION.
I do find it comical that you state that SOME of us that post here regularly somehow don't have a life, while you who LURK here regularly somehow do?
Kindly explain the difference?
And please don't run away & hide like DeezNuts is prone to do....
Rowland,
The Jacobins turned on their OWN kind, after they got to the end of people to exterminate. Prepare for your own demise--you are SUSPECT. Shades of Khmer Rouge also.
Do you get it now? You can't possibly be worthy enough to even be in the room with the PURE and PIOUS here. You're in the position of a little kid at a formal dinner, daring to speak and getting chastised for it.
You must serve an apprenticeship, and if invited to speak, incrementally increase your presence, but never forget to seek the blessing of the saints.
There's more LEGALISM here than any of these posters' favorite "religious" targets.
Thats funny. I was treated well here from day one.
So, now Michael Brock is gay? Savage has a strange, strange mind...
David Brock has been out since '94.
I wish he had stayed IN.
Maybe you squirmed too much (Sorry, Brock, softball)
Best response so far for the month of April.
Sick........butt funny.
Well Weinerdog YOU are a straight out lunatic.
Where's your pal to say, "takes one to know one?"
Were you under the delusion that your post made sense OR a point? Please maintain a minimum level of coherence. Maybe get your mommy to proofread your posts. Be sure to clean the spiders out of the basement before you call her down there. Thats a good boy
Checkers, do you have anything to say, besides that you don't understand the other posts?
I understand that none of you lefties care to give Savage any credit for exposing you all as a bunch of stalinists. Hey, if that's what you wanna be, go for it. Just don't expect me to take you seriously, unless you deserve to be, which, as far as I can see so far, is rare.
So, in order to be taken seriously by you, Checkers, others are required to give credit to the paranoid unsubstantiated ramblings of a fascist radio talk show host?
I believe I'll remain on planet Earth, and suffer the indignity of not being taken seriously by you.
World Class delusion alert. Did you think YOU were taken seriously for your snarky hit-and-run ignorance? My shoes have more relevance to discussion than any post you have ever made. Weinerdog has exposed NOTHING except his lunacy. Stalinism? The cold war is over, you could look it up. Sorry you probably couldnt get a five year old to look it up for you. Do you get some kind of kick out of coming here and parading your stupidity around like you are proud of NEVER making a point OR knowing what you are talking about?
Okay, here's my point.
A website that exists for no other reason than to attack "conservatives" has no reason to be taken seriously by anybody. However, such a website invites lefties to come in here and flame away with their liberal/socialist clap-trap which makes honest debate practically useless. So, yes, I will admit to being "snarky" in some of my posts. But when I see someone writing insults and deliberately misinterpreting Savage to make some idiotic conclusion, I will return such commentary in spades.
Don't get me wrong though. Mike says alot of things that I don't agree with, but generally he'sright on what the Amercan culture has become: debased, deballed, and dehumanized after 40 years of liberal sensitivity training, and drugged-up paranoia.
You mistake your delusional fantasies for something resembling reality. Actually you simply repeat mindless rightwing talking points that only someone brainwashed by rightwing screechmonkeys could possibly take seriously. Yes you are snarky and yes you are out to lunch. Weiners insane ranting is what doesnt deserve to be taken seriously and there are plenty of substantive arguments about what is said that I notice you avoid like a plague rat. There is nothing behind your ludicrous mischaracterizations. I notice though I cited where Weinerdog said we should kill one hundred million Muslims you never responded. At least not the last time I posted on the thread. Your snarkiness doesnt come from any pious need to elevate the dialogue but a frustration from people recognizing and exposing the silly substanseless rants for what they are the lunacy of a hatemonger. YOU cant show us where we are wrong rather you snipe without purpose. THEN as if it made sense attack US for what YOU do. Make a real argument about why you think Weinerdog is right and the chances are good it will be addressed respectfully and intelligently by someone. There are a lot of good people here on both sides of the argument. Smart people who have a good understanding of the political landscape. Enter the discussion for real and you will be treated in an appropriate manner. Stand on the sidelines and snipe at us and you will be treated appropriately THEN when you snivel about that it just looks pathetic
Delusional?-there you go again starting very pleasantly.
Right wing "talking points'-who cares about any of those. You couldn't be more wrong.
As for the part about the 100 million muslims dying: it was taken out of context to the way you stated it, as I remember. Mike said something to the effect that it would be better if THEY lost 100 million than US. He didn't say just go over and kill 100 million INDISCRIMINANTELY. It was stated as a choice: us or them, if it came down to an all out war.
Check it out and you'll see the difference. It's what I mean about you, and others saying Mike says "something", putting your spin on it, and then expecting to be able to run over any opposition to your views.
(((Snarkiness turned off this time.)))
At least Mr. Brock isn't vermin....come on Doc Savage...call him vermin.
I seemed to be obsessed with this vermin thing
I wish Savage would be Savage . For the last while, few months, he seems to be restraining himself more than usual. Maybe threats of lawsuits, I don't know. When he lets himself feel it and gets angry enough to disregard outside inhibitions, he is at his best---an awe inspiring talent. I think this site probably has a large number of vistors who mainly want to see if they can get some new Savage audio because they can't hear his show.
The kind of insane ranting Weinerdog does is not a measure of talent, at best some style. Let me see, conservatism isnt a mental disorder its a mental deficit. Its for the stupid kids who cant think so they let others think for them. Those who molest small furry animals to act like vermin. Who WANT to pretend they understand politics even though their subhuman level IQs force them to accept denigration for analysis and bigotry plus xenophobia for patriotism. Conservatism is the bastard child of racism and ignorance.
Did that take talent? Did it take analysis, extrapolation, any higher brain function at all? No, nor thought or reasoning from fact. It just takes a bit of style and if you mean it a lack of common decency. Its sizzle it isnt steak. I may not be as good at it as you think Weinerdog is, that only means I dont have as much style or actually the stomach to dehumanize actual living people like he does. So no there isnt any talent involved at all. Just a bit of eloquence and a lack of common human decency, more likely a lack of basic sanity.
Its for the stupid kids who cant think so they let others think for them.
LOLOL.... I thought that was the agenda of the left. In fact, judging by all the stupid laws liberals try to pass, I KNOW it is the left.
You dont know ANYTHING, it apparant from your posts you are an idiot. Did you READ the post? I wasnt trying to say any of that was true. It was a Weinerdog impression from the other perspective. Try to keep up or go back and play with the other shortbus children. The adults are talking.
My favorite Limbaugh quote: "Next time someone says that dittoheads can't think for themselves, here's what you tell them..."
NO, tell me he didnt REALLY say that. I shouldnt be suprised I think a certain type of hardcore conservative has his irony gene surgically removed at birth, they couldnt function otherwise
Word to your mother, solon. Couldn't have said it better myself. People I know listen to Savage because the dude's hilarious. Imagine the most racist, failed intellectual kook you ever met lurking around the local cafe. You know the guy, creeping you out with esoteric "justifications" for his "convictions". Dude's stuck on one setting that goes from "The 50's were great " to "Bible snippets". Hilarious! I love to hear his fawning listeners call him "doctor"! Everyone's a degenerate! Oh yeah, This web-site is so "gay".
No, I do think you have a lot of style. If you think you could also do it within a broadcast format, we need good liberal radio people in this country.
I appreciate that Goobs. I could never say such things with conviction nor on a Nationally syndicated show. Also I love my job
Also, Savage is helpful for those who can't understand his "ideas" and ideology spoken in the original 1930's German.
I'm sorry, Tex, but Savage has nothing in common with the Nazi Party.
Your hate for us Krauts is only too obvious.
I have to say I hate Krauts. Why anyone would ruin a perfectly good hotdog with that pickled stringweed is beyond me.
What's better--Clinton Soup (weenie in hot water)?
Thats pretty good.
Is Weiner Savage so delusional that he actually beleives his own crap? Or is he just paranoid?
With all due to respect to Salon and others here who seem to be convinced he's crazy in some pathological way, I disagree strongly. As a regular listener, he comes across to me as extremely confident in himself and in his own sense of reality. He obviously is a hard man. Not the stereotypical personality of today's academic, or former academic in his case. He sees himself, if I may try to put myself in his head, coming quite possibly to the end of his probable lifespan, given his family's history. He sees his country and second country as under attack by a couple of enemies common to both. He has very normal existential type concerns.
And because of that he advocated killing one hundred million Muslims, I assume at random, hatred of gays that really can be describes as nothing short of pathological, and ranting that SCREAMS a need for Haldol? I appreciate your respectful disagreement but to me either Val is right and he is putting the rightwingers on for buttloads of cash or he is certifiable.
"he comes across to me as extremely confident in himself and in his own sense of reality." -Goobs
Yes and the guy at the bus station who screams about UFOs and CIA plots is confident in himself and his reality. This is hardly a sign of sanity.
Common enemies? Oh please tell me who are these enemies? One is probably terrorism, what are the others?
As I understand him, not terrorism as such but Muslim extremists. The second would be the West's and this countries current political climate of multiculturalism/demasculinization of the culture.
Man dont buy into that silly brainwashing about feminization its dumb. Ask yourself this. Did your father care if you went hungry? Did he want to see you get hurt? Did he care if you had a decent life? Now here is the money question DID THAT MAKE HIM LESS OF A MAN? This is why we talk about propaganda parrots. Did you REALLY think that psuedopoint made sense? Its shorthand psychobabble demonization without ANY real thought or analytical point. Its an emotional appeal to ignorance. Dont buy into it.
Well put, Solon. This "demasculization" shlte is for mama's boys who can ignore their own bedwetting tendencies by sending other people thousands of miles away to fight while they wave little flags and type at their keyboards about manliness.
And for those just barely staying in the closet, terrified that without enough societal disapproval, they might just have to come to grips with the truth.
I seriously doubt that that's what Savage means by saying that men are "feminized" today.
I seriously doubt that that's what Savage means by saying that men are "feminized" today.- MichaelSavageforPresident
That's the point- you're his audience. You're not supposed to understand what even he might not understand,that screeching about everything you're terrified of is not "manly", it's cowardly.If he described his show honestly as a sanctuary for paranoid sissys, it wouldn't make you feel as "manly" to go there.
DIF-MAC:
Those YOU and others here would call common enemies (with Savage): corporations exporting jobs overseas, overcompensated corporate officers, entrenched bureaucrats, military adventurism, importation of agricultural products from countries w/out adequate pesticide/herbicide and/or processing regulation...and the list goes on.
Gotta give it to you Lemoc that was a good one.
The post got kinda lost there...Different McCain asked what common enemies (Savage's phrasing) there are other than radicalized Islam; I was alluding to a few issues that concern some posters here.
Yes I got that. It was one of the better point made in Weiners defense.
As pointed out by the weiner brigade, Savage doesw disagree with the GOP on many issues.
Odds are, he's going to be right on some of those points.This doesn't significantly affect his overall record as a neurotic crybaby who's confused about almost everything.
I'm not surprised that you and the other Savage followers see Dr. Weiner as "a hard man...extremely confident in himself and in his own sense of reality."
The funny thing is that Tex and Squeaky said the same things about Charlie.
Manson also saw "himself, if I may try to put myself in his head, coming quite possibly to the end of his probable lifespan, given his family's history."
Savage gets it right, as usual.
As we saw last week, Media Matters received the bulk of its money from the Center for American Progress, which in turn was bankrolled by George Soros. Yet, Media Matters is persisting in its silly charade of claiming Soros isn't Brock's "sugar daddy"...too funny!
No he isnt as we have dealt with a few dozen times. I guess it would be possible for Weinerdog to be right some day, in the hypothetical. Its just that the odds are 50/50, when that day finally comes, he will be in a rubber room knitting something that isnt there.
Of course Savage is correct.
David Brock is a homosexual. Media Matters is a leftist, pro-queer smear site, and George Soros has provided the bulk of Brock's money.
Of course he isnt correct. You are just a moron. The fact YOU are STUPID beyond human description, the fact YOUR IQ would embarrass a common garden slug doesnt mean Weinerdog is correct. It just means YOU dont know the difference.
Hint: your invectives keep coming up well short compared to my facts...but, thanks for playing, skippy.
Your invective is pretty apparant as is your blatant ignorance. What you call FACTS however, not so much. We have already dealt ad nauseam with the Moveon, Cap thing, irrelevant. Its not my fault you are too dumb to tell a baseless assertion from a FACT. Here is a clue to the clueless. Repeating something a few dozen times doesnt magically transform it into a fact. Its still just your brain seeping out like toxic waste. Also if you dont like my invective keep YOURS to yourself. Or spew it out and then snivel like the little bedwetter you are when it comes back in your direction, its all the same to me. My only question is are you REALLY this stupid or are you actually a leftwinger trying to make the right look bad with ignorant, knuckledragging, already looooong ago debunked nonsense? Inquiring minds want to know.
I gotta agree with him there, Solon. Your invectives do come up way short. Stupid? IQ of a garden slug? Puhleeeeeze. Those fall far short of his intellectual deficiencies.
I'm a bleeding heart liberal I cant help but to show some mercy.
General Douche Bag
Please clarify your comments on what you mean by pro-queer?
Congratulations, David and the rest of MMFA. Keep on getting under their skin!
OMFG you guys are hilarious. Your mental derangement astounds me! I am new to MMFA and i joined to see if there was any substance but all i found were a bunch of raging, ignorant hipocrits. I see so many of you hate, slander and rebut like a buch of adolecents. Ironically that is the VERY THING YOU SAY YOU HATE ABOUT Savage. Since when is standing up for the beleifs our COUNTRY WAS FOUNDED ON racist (have any of you actually read the Decloration of Independance or Bill of Rights?!?)
Its humorous to me that you people would chastise and chose to ruin the very people that dispite their differences, FIGHT FOR THE RIGHTS THAT ALLOW YOU LIVE BY. So many times i see libs defend and cherish Muslum extremists, the same people that dispise your lifestyle and would sooner slit your throat than let you live your lifestyles but at the same time seek to destroy those who are trying to defend them.
btw one of the definitions of insanity is to repeat one's actions expecting a different outcome... still think that socialism is really the answer for this country?Forgive us... it's been trying the last few months and Monday's events at Virginia Tech has our nerves on the end. Normally, the gang isn't quite like this. It's true that things have indeed reach a personal level (and volume) that I haven't seen before. I'm sure if you give a couple of days, things will return to some form normalcy.
Oh I see the problem. YOU are another moron who thinks the garbage spewed by the rightwing screechmonkeys is somehow related to reality. The problem isnt OUR mental derangement its YOUR stupidity. See when people are as ignorant as YOU are since you cant UNDERSTAND higher brain function it appears to your damaged brain like derangement. Sorry for the mixup. Since this basically explains the rest of your completely delusional post, and out of a sense of mercy I will ignore the rest of your ignorant rantings.
BEANZ sez: "OMFG you guys are hilarious."RESPONSE: Good to find humor, laughter is great medicine. So, what's so funny?BEANZ explains, "Your mental derangement astounds me!"RESPONSE: Ah, a specific. An example of "mental derangement" should be easy to illustrate.BEANZ continues, "I am new to MMFA and i joined to see if there was any substance ..."RESPONSE: And found each topic to be bolstered by actual quotes, references to the TRUTH and FACTS, and actual footage of the speakers saying what they say IN CONTEXT. Right?BEANZ: "... but all i found were a bunch of raging, ignorant hipocrits (sic)."RESPONSE: In the MMFA content, or in the "comments" section? Nothing specific?BEANZ: "I see so many of you hate, slander and rebut like a buch (sic) of adolecents (sic)."RESPONSE: Again, some specific charges, but NO backup, NO evidence, NO examples. Just a blanket condemnation. Sigh.BEANZ: "Ironically that is the VERY THING YOU SAY YOU HATE ABOUT Savage."RESPONSE: Actually, IF the people you refer to on this site (the administrators, or commenters) had a NATIONALLY SYNDICATED RADIO SHOW, then YOU could open a website and criticize the content. Failing that, there is NO "irony" at all. No comparison.BEANZ: "Since when is standing up for the beleifs our COUNTRY WAS FOUNDED ON racist..."RESPONSE: Interesting take, considering some of the beliefs our country was founded on included having slavery, considering slaves to be 3/5 of a person for census purposes only, women and minorities couldn't vote or own property, and many other archaic ideas which have been overturned and cast aside as America began to realize its true greatness, equality and justice. Believing in our "founding" conditions is BY DEFINITION, "racist". Sadly.BEANZ: " (have any of you actually read the Decloration (sic) of Independance (sic) or Bill of Rights?!?)RESPONSE: Read and in many cases, MEMORIZED. What specifically do you refer to?BEANZ: "Its (sic) humorous to me that you people would chastise and chose (sic) to ruin (?) the very people that dispite their differences, FIGHT FOR THE RIGHTS THAT ALLOW YOU LIVE BY."RESPONSE: Too much going on here. The people I, as a Liberal, "chastise" are people like Savage and Bush and Limbaugh and Cheney, who have FOUGHT for NOTHING, prefering NOT to serve their country. That said, we Americans have the "RIGHT" to "chastise" anyone we please. We have a DUTY to see that Public Assets (like the airwaves) are not abused, and a DUTY to hold public officials (like the Prez) ACCOUNTABLE. It's all in the Constitution and Bill of Rights, all this stuff you find "humorous" and "ironic". Have YOU actually read these documents?
BEANZ: "So many times i see libs defend and cherish Muslum (sic) extremists."
RESPONSE: Again, a specific charge. Too much to hope for an example of a "lib" who "cherishes" Muslim extremists? Who? What was said of a cherishing nature?
BEANZ: "... the same people that dispise your lifestyle and would sooner slit your throat than let you live your lifestyles ..."
RESPONSE: Ah, this would be guys like Bin Laden. He's not in Iraq, but we ARE killing thousands of innocent civilians there. I fail to see your point, except that Bush has abandoned the war on "terror" to occupy a land in civil war. This idea of killing everybody in hopes that we might kill someone who might wish to "cut our throats" from 6000 miles away ... it's insane.
BEANZ: "...but at the same time seek to destroy those who are trying to defend them."
RESPONSE: Can only guess here: Bush and his NeoCons are the ones who are trying to defend Constitutional rights? What a sick joke.
BEANZ: "btw one of the definitions of insanity is to repeat one's actions expecting a different outcome..."
RESPONSE: I agree. Is this the second or third "surge" Bush has enacted in Iraq?
Hi Beanz- Great post, once I figured out all of the "alternative" spelling.
, "FIGHT FOR THE RIGHTS THAT ALLOW YOU LIVE BY"- I'm going to make a bumper sticker with that on it.Then drive around asking people if they know what the f%&k it means in English.
"So many times i see libs defend and cherish Muslum extremists"
Just name one time out of "so many",and I'll give you a happy emoticon.,
I want 100 of those bumper stickers. I hope the part about English is included. To hear those words on paper, with the proper volume, makes it hiliarious.
"Cherish is the word I use to describe"
"I don't know how many times I wished I were a Muslum"
"I don't know how many times I said the West was scum"
Evereyone, sing along if you know it...
Too funny. Workin' on "Windy" right now (could take awhile).
It doesn't get under his skin at all. In fact, it's quite the opposite. He surely revels in the attention he receives here, and looks forward to everything that is said about him.
I know I would.
Before or AFTER your antipsychotics?
First beat wife, THEN with the A-S's.
Thats the best comeback I have seen you make. Actually it was a pretty good one. The only criticism I would make is that would be AP
You are correct, sir. Dammit.
<>I know you're passionate on this. My personal opinion on his call a while back to cordon off and then selectively evacuate sections of Iraq before bombing it, was that it was extreme and puts me in mind of the Old Testament. I disagree with America even being there, or having gone in the first place ..... On the gay thing, I believe he conflates liberals and liberalism with gays. I think he partly believes this to be accurate symbolically and partly he deliberately uses gays as a politically correct strawman to needle his own Jewish brethren, many of whom both support gay causes and are less patriotic than he expects them to be with respect to Israel's security. I don't agree with many of Savage's stated beliefs. But aside from the entertainment aspect of his show, what most stands out about him is his refusal to cowtow to whatever may be the politically correct stances of either the left or right. But importantly not because he doesn't know them. He seems very aware, but still has the nerve and forthrightness to take an unpopular stand with his audience at times.
Sorry, directed to Salon.
Who is Salon? That's another website entirely. It isn't the first time you've gotten the name wrong, either.
To be fair a lot of people seem to make that mistake. I thought he was a fairly famous historical figure.
For those who dont know, let me do my best to say what Savage projects as his beleifs through his show.
Gays and their lifestyle are their own affair, they deserve the same rights as anyone else to live their own lifes. However, they should not be able to get SPECIAL treatment like what the gay activists are pushing for nor should they flaunt it for all others to have to see. Incecent behaviour and lewd conduct is poor taste wheter its homo or heteral. Homosexuality is still a minority and dispite what you are, minorities do not have the right to dictate the actions, beliefs and freedom of the majority.
Savage does appose US's presence in Iraq, he has many times said that there were other countires of much greater immediate threat (Iran in particular) He did support the president in his decision but quickly lost faith. He was one of the first in the media to call Bush out in his inadiquacies as a president and leader.
As far as the claim that he called for the deaths of millions of muslums, It was in direct reaction to the extremists groups vowing to never stop their war until every last person in the western world was either converted or KILLED. How can anybody truly beleive that it is not ok to defend ourselves from a threat like that.
Goobs, my hat off to you. you are the first intelligent debate ive seen so far here :)
IF your take is true that it was a response to Muslim extremists he didnt say so, I will allow your mind reading to pass and say its STILL an insane reaction. So there are a lot of extremist Muslims so we kill one hundred million of them? It would be like saying since the most prevelant serial killers are white men between25 and 40 we need to round up a few thousand of them and kill them to make some as yet indesipherable point. Frankly any way you look at it, the insanity stares back.
SOLON:
What are the chances Savage, like Colbert, is play-acting at being a rightwinger in order to portray them as shallow, bigoted, hate-filled and dogmatic? After listening to Savage, one prays that all who ACTUALLY THINK that way are confined to prisons or mental institutions. The damage Savage (and, to be fair, others like Coulter) do to the cause of "conservatives" is ENORMOUS. Such hate and extremism scares HELL out of ordinary Americans (who now are counted at 70% of the population and growing).
I believe these rightwing firebreathers have done a great service for this nation, by portraying the alternative to Democrats and Progressives as utterly insane. Great job, Savage! Whether you're playacting, or serious, the effect is the same: driving support for rightwing causes away in droves, forming a permanent minority of haters who are politically impotent.
A good chance at least 50/50 in my book. You make the point exactly. Who could seriously buy this insanity?
Beanz, while I agree that Goobs is an intelligent debate, could you turn on the spellcheck, or call your Mom into the room to help with the big words?
Goobs and Beanz - you should team up as a right wing legume side dish.
Hey, I thought you were Irish, what's up with "légume"?
Should we start calling you "Frenchy"?
Moi? mais non, Paddy.
Legumes are not usually served along with Leftist Pablum.
They go very nicely with wingnut tripe though.
Or in Clinton Soup (weenie in hot water). He IS a "leg" man (or whatever's available).
I think we should call beanz "the musical fruit".
Okay. That was just childish of me. I know.
Sung to "Windy"?
With a veritable smorgasbord of profound observations, how, you may ask, did I manage to choose only one? Well, it's late, and my enthusiasm wanes.
Anyhow, here goes:
Beanz: minorities do not have the right to dictate the actions, beliefs and freedom of the majority.
Uh, to a point, yeah they do. It's called the Constitution and the Bill of Rights. It guarantees that the majority cannot infringe on the constitutional rights of a minority. It also allows for extraordinary punishment of those who either attempt or succeed in infringing on those rights. That's why this country is not, nor was ever intended to be, a true democracy. It would mean that the liberal democrats who now have a majority in both houses could exile you to Cuba, if we hated Castro that much. It would also mean that there would be no need for a Supreme Court, as all legal questions could be answered with a simple vote.
Now, when you go to bed tonight, you can get down on your knees and thank the deity of your choice for that liberal minority who back in 1776 seceded from England and wrote all these wonderful rules which you now find so difficult to digest.
The founding fathers were only liberal by the standards of their time. Thomas Jefferson was a strict constructionist of the Constitution who believed in limited government. As a modern day conservative, I uphold Jeffersonian principles. America is not a direct democracy like ancient Athens was.
I also agree with Savage's call to bomb the Sunni Triangle. The terrorists who reside there need to be eliminated.
As far as killing a hundred million Muslims goes, Savage would rather have a hundred million of them die than a hundred million Americans. He's only referring to the most extreme case where America would need to kill that many people to defend our nation. I doubt that Savage supports killing a hundred million people for no reason.
What are the "extraordinary punishments" for people who deny "Constitutional rights" to a particular group, btw?
I applaud you for your mind reading but unfortunatly mind reading powers dont exist. So I will have to be guided by what he SAID instead of what you HOPE he meant. He didnt say anything about the most extreme anything and I am afraid the most extreme one hundred million Muslims is a term without practical meaning. It is about one in ten. Do you seriously believe that Weiner even believes that one Muslim in ten is a terrorist or deserves to be killed. The statement is a sympton of pathology. He is insane. No sane person wants to demote Hitler to the minor leagues of evil.
Ok, I admit I may have not been specific enough in my details and grammar :p My point was that as a potentially new member to this community, I was really turned off by the hypocrisy of web user posts, sorry if my message wasn't communicated well, i am an immigrant. What I was trying to say was that I came to this website expecting tolerance for different points of views and I found Many hypocritical and hateful posts(need me to specific? look up ANY by Solon)
Mind reader? hmm thats new, I guess that what people that assume that they know best calls LISTENING and UNDERSTANDING WHAT PEOPLE ACTUALLY SAY.
*response to Salon in his own language * neener neener NO YOUR A DUMMY! Cmon man, GROW UP. your name calling,insulting and general "your your wrong because your stupid" posts are rather annoying and destructive to the arguments. Obviously too much time, and not enough thought goes to your comments.
So you came here looking for tolerance of differing points of view and you thought the best way to communicate that was by telling us in your post that:
OMFG you guys are hilarious. Your mental derangement astounds me
all i found were a bunch of raging, ignorant hipocrits. I see so many of you hate, slander and rebut like a buch of adolecents.
So many times i see libs defend and cherish Muslum extremists,
I guess on YOUR world that is showing tolerance. I find you crybaby conservatives so tiresome. You come in here spewing insults then when YOU get treated the way you treat us its WWWAAAAHHHHH you guys are so mean. Exactly where in the wingnut handbook does it tell you guys that God gave you the exclusive franchise on personal attacks? Where does it tell you that no matter HOW you treat us we are still obligated to treat YOU with respect?
Did you see a lot of insults in my exchange with goobs? No. WHY? Though we are disagreeing he was reasonable and tried to make points so I treated him the way he was treating US. Pretty much like I treated YOU the way you came in treating us. Now we see you snivel like a little girl that we are so mean, WWAAAAHHHH, us mean liberals ought to be nice to you, WWAAAHHHH only YOU ought to be able to get away with insults. Did you think you were telling posters anything about me they dont know? I am a known commodity here. All the regulars here know how I post. I see substance I return substance, I see insults I return serve. If you dont like the mud stop throwing it, or grow a thicker skin. OR you can keep deluding yourself that YOU should be able to insult US and still be immune to us treating you the same way, snivelling when that doesnt happen and continue to make a fool out of yourself its all the same to me.
Really a glut of these lately. The cons who come up with their first post insulting and screeching (haha, lol) then start whining when they don't get treated like the little princesses they are.
I think this is the product of those wimpy parents I see in the grocery store, praising their little Gods and Goddesses for eventually ending their tantrum.
In the movie "Witness", Harrison Ford, a hardened big-city cop, was hiding out with the Amish. When they took to carriage to town, the local bullies started picking on an Amish man, knowing full well he wouldn't fight back.
Ford stepped in, unrestrained by the Amish belief system, and stomped the crap out of the (very surprised) bullies.
That is the essence of cowards and hypocrites. These Freepers come in here hurtling insults and degradation, then act all put-upon when the insults are returned. "Aren't you supposed to be COMPASSIONATE?" they ask, in mock sincerity.
Nope. A liberal sees a cockroach, it gets stepped on. Don't act so damn surprised. Your "VICTIM" pose, rightwing freepers, does not hold water, as the evidence of YOUR opening up with insults is IN THE RECORD. Ooops.
C'MON, HBL--
Those are Progressive parents. What--you think they should brutalize those little devils by disciplining them?
Are you conflicted, or what?
You obviously never met MY liberal mother. Wait, its just a baseless assertion/mandatory liberal slur. Not an actual attempt at a point or anything motivated by any thought process whatsoever. Just pavlovian knee-jerk liberal bashing of the propaganda parrot variety
Checked my Audubon book. You manufactured a species out of thin air. Watch that medication you're always talking about.
Its a little known species but flourishing in places like Orange County Cal, and the deep South. Perhaps it will be highlighted in the next edition
I spot flocks of them daily here in O.C.. And Lemoc, your Audubon book may be abridged.Take a look at the mirror next to your cuttlebone.
I got nuthin' for that...too much of a hurry. I'll think of somethin' later and getcha back....
"Gays and their lifestyle are their own affair, they deserve the same rights as anyone else to live their own lifes (sic)."
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Did he start believing this before or after he told a gay caller to go get AIDS and die?
SPECIAL treatment ? Gay Activist are flaunting?
Would you care to explain that in a little more detail?
That comment was bad enough but he said that he was tired of hearing there were one billion Muslims in the world and what we need to do is kill one hundred million of them. Now I am being generous attributing the suggestion that we demote Hitler to the minor leagues of evil to his insanty as any OTHER reason to say such a thing would be much worse.
You're full of crap. He never said any such thing. If he did I would turn his show off for good, and so would everyone else.
Killing 100 mil. people indiscriminantly? You're crazy!!!!
It's not my fault you are both stupid AND uninformed. I am betting you will just find some way to justify the insanity like the others who didnt turn off his show for good. Did you think I just made that up?
http://mediamatters.org/items/200604190001
"Oh, there's a billion of them." I said, "So, kill 100 million of them, then there'll be 900 million of them."
He follow that with some idiotic false dichotomy about us or them but nowhere does he specify in any way Muslims who somehow deserve to die. He just seems to be wanting to cut down their numbers. That is one hundred million. There is NO reasonable discrimination that would entail a need to kill that many people. He didnt say extremists, he just seems to think there are too many of them. Hitler would be a piker in comparison. See its not that I am full of crap its that YOU are devoid of braincells.
Savage is a right wing rabble rouser. I will give Michael Savage credit for one thing...he is an intense, passionate. compelling and brilliant radio personality.
That's more than one.
Not to people who can walk and chew gum at the same time, Checkers.
Nor to people with a functional understanding of the English language
A functional understanding of the English language would include a knowledge of complete sentence construction. Said knowledge is not apparent in the last two posts.
Howsomever, such liberties taken by elder statesmen are sometimes seen as necessary, if only for punctuation and furtherance of discourse.
Gee I didnt read on the message board protocol list that there was anything wrong with sentence fragments IF they made the point. The obvious point being that no checkers buddy that was ONE thing. I didnt criticise anyones grammer just an astonishing lack of basic comprehension.
And an ASTONISHING (you likey the CAPS) lack of a SENSE of HUMOR.
<>It's odd that lefties THINK they're funny like Maher, but turn out to be just j@ck@sses.I DO likey the CAPS. See humor is most effective when it makes SENSE. Righties like YOU think they are being funny when they are just being morons. Showing your ignorance may be funny to cruel people. I just find it pathetic
It's not my fault if you're too dense to understand a joke, or a put-on. But at least it got you chirping.
<> When is a lefty a good lefty?
When he's busy chirping.
<>Its not my fault you are too stupid to MAKE a joke and mistake this kind of inane ignorance FOR a joke.
My, my, aren't we a little touchy. Why must you always swing into hysterics?
"A functional understanding of the English language would include a knowledge of complete sentence construction. Said knowledge is not apparent in the last two posts."
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It would also recognize colloquial structure, which both posts demonstrated quite well.
I am sorry you were ignorant of that while attempting to point out the non-existent ignorance of others.
ZOUNDS!!! You guys are easily pi$$ed!
Howsomever?
Right Winger to English dictionary and phrasebook entry #1258:
Right Winger: "It turns out that..."
English: "I'm about to spread the false and mean-spirited smear that..."
Has Wiener looked in the mirror lately? He looks like some sort of homosexual cowboy. Maybe he should borrow fashion tips from Don Imus.
He's 65, and was never what one might call a "handsome" figure. He truly has a face for radio.
Left or right, hypocrisy is hypocrisy! You supposedly have listened to all of Imus' shows. You certainly understood the context of his stupid statement. I assumed you are smart enough to know he was trying to use black vernacular to be funny and describe the team as tough. I also assume you know he has called his wife--in the context of their lively banter--the "Green Ho." Bottomline, you had to know he is not a racist. But then again, what can you expect when you are in bed with Hillary. (I suppose since Bill isn't, somebody has to be.) I wonder when she last saw Ghandi pumping gas in NJ? Probably not recently, since she is too busy monitoring the polls for her next position.
By the way, Imus was against the war long before they where, and has done more for the veterans did Hilary every did, and probably every will.
As I said in the beginning: hypocrites.
"Black Venacular"? Ho is a slang sprung from hip-hop culture and hip-hop culture is not representative of mainstream AA culture. I don't care what Imus calls his wife, if my husband were to ever refer to me as ho, well I don't even want to think about that.
Personally I am not claiming he is a racist. I dont even care. He DID use a racist slur on OUR airwaves your appologies notwithstanding. For THAT reason he deserved to be held accountable. That isnt hypocrisy. Your obsessive need to pretend something CLEARLY wrong was no big deal is sad. You anger at US is misplaced. I dont care what his politics were none of that excuses him using a racist slur to denigrate these women. It is frankly ludicrous for you to be mad at US for what Imus did, he brought this on himself. I dont understand the thinking of people who get mad at those who EXPOSE and criticise wrongdoing and excuse those who DID something wrong
Media Matters is being disingenuous when it says it has not received funding from George Soros. It has not received funding DIRECTLY from Soros, but Soros clearly had a hand in starting Media Matters. And why the denial? Does Media Matters consider an affiliation ith Soros to be a negative?
http://www.frontpagemag.com/articles/Printable.asp?ID=15409 http://www.discoverthenetworks.org/groupProfile.asp?grpid=7150 http://www.discoverthenetworks.org/funderProfile.asp?fndid=5181
Ahhh Bush stinks and you'll never kiss his butt, but you did vote for him didn't you? A vote is much more powerful than an ill-conceived post
Are you telling me that Savage really called Brock a straight-out maniac?! Cant he be arrested for that? His obvious hatred for Brock is inexcusable. Such hate-speech! Stone him!
YOU want Weinerdog arrested for being insane and ranting? I mean instead of criticised and exposed for the lunatic he is? What a fascist you are. I in no way support such a violation of free speech, which of course calling him on what he says ISNT.
Mike has said alot about the scumbag who killed 32 people on Monday, and called him a bunch of choice names in the process. I'm hoping that there will be no thread based on any of his comments regarding this cold-blooded killer.
Is it just me, or do these idiots that scream about gays so much seem like they're hiding something? Take a look at that fundamentalist (Ted Haggard) who was so outspoken about gays, then gets caught hiring a male escort and then bought meth to enjoy with his male friend...WHAT IS MICHAEL SAVAGE HIDING?!