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Echoing GOP attacks, AP, CNN's Roberts suggested Dem bill would "cut off" funds, strand troops

April 18, 2007 3:55 pm ET

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An April 18 Associated Press article by Anne Flaherty on the standoff between congressional Democrats and President Bush over supplemental funding for the Iraq war reported that Democrats "remain divided" on whether to "cut off money" for the war, which, the article said, would "risk leaving troops in the lurch." The suggestion that legislation advocated by some in Congress "risk[s] leaving troops in the lurch" echoes recent comments from President Bush. But while some members of Congress support plans to eliminate funding for operations in Iraq, none has advocated abandoning U.S. troops now in the field. Indeed, Sen. Russ Feingold (D-WI), who has sponsored a bill to end funding for combat operations after March 31, 2008, recently took issue with a similar claim made by CNN anchor John Roberts. On the April 15 edition of CNN's Late Edition with Wolf Blitzer, Roberts said that "it's very difficult to make an argument to cut off the funds in the middle of a war" for "the troops in the field." Feingold noted that his bill provides funding for troops and only "prohibit[s] funds for continued military operations after" March 2008. And, as Media Matters for America has noted, both Democratic-led houses of Congress have passed legislation providing funding to support the troops in Iraq, while Bush has promised to veto that funding if it doesn't meet his conditions.

Moreover, the AP article falsely claimed that the Senate's war funding bill "would require that Bush begin pulling out an unspecified number of troops right away." In fact, the bill calls for withdrawal from Iraq to begin 120 days after the bill is enacted.

From the April 18 AP article, headlined "Democrats weigh next step in Iraq challenge":

Congressional Democrats say there is no doubt President Bush will soon be confronted with legislation calling for an end to the Iraq war. But the new majority must decide how far to go in trying to tie Bush's hands and what will happen after the president's inevitable veto.

The debate is likely to expose fissures among Democrats, who remain divided on whether to cut off money for the unpopular war and risk leaving troops in the lurch.

In recent speeches, Bush has made similar claims, charging that Democrats' withdrawal plans "undercut our troops" and that "failure to fund our troops will mean that the readiness of our forces will suffer."

But no Democrat has advocated a plan that would abandon U.S. forces in Iraq. In fact, Feingold's bill, which was recently introduced in the Senate, would eliminate funds for "the deployment in Iraq of members of the United States Armed Forces after March 31, 2008" but would also allow funding "to provide security for United States infrastructure and personnel."

On Late Edition, Roberts also noted that Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid (D-NV) co-sponsored Feingold's bill but added that he thought the move was a "real mistake" and that "the president is taking no end of glee in rubbing Harry Reid's face in that." Roberts claimed that "other Democrats" told him that Reid had "overstepped himself" by co-sponsoring the bill, adding that the disagreement is "looking like this real petty fight on the part of the Democrats." Similar to the April 18 AP article, Roberts then claimed that "when it comes down to this idea of funding the war, funding the troops in the field, it's very difficult to make an argument to cut off the funds in the middle of a war. It's never happened before."

In response, Feingold sent a letter to Roberts on April 18 saying he had "falsely implied that the Feingold-Reid Iraq redeployment bill would 'cut off the funds in the middle of a war' for 'troops in the field.' " Feingold continued: "Our legislation forces the safe redeployment of troops by March 31, 2008, by prohibiting funds for continued military operations after that date, with a few narrow exceptions. Troops in the field would continue to get their salaries, food, ammunition, weapons, and other supplies as they currently do." Addressing Roberts' claim that Reid's decision to co-sponsor the bill was a "real mistake," Feingold wrote: "Senator Reid recognizes that Congress has a responsibility to take this safe and appropriate step, as do the eight cosponsors of our bill and the countless Americans who are calling for an end to this war."

Feingold also took issue with Roberts' characterization of efforts to end the war as a "petty fight on the part of Democrats":

Public opinion polls consistently show that Americans strongly disapprove of the President's handling of Iraq and want a timetable of when we can bring the war to an end. It isn't "petty" for Congress to acknowledge the will of the American people by proposing such a timetable.

In addition, the article also mischaracterized the war funding bill passed by the Senate on March 29. According to the AP, the bill requires the withdrawal of U.S. troops "right away":

On March 29, the Senate voted 51-47 for a similar, but less sweeping measure. That bill would require that Bush begin pulling out an unspecified number of troops right away with the goal of ending combat by March 31, 2008.

Yet the bill states that withdrawal is to begin 120 days after the bill's passage, not "right away":

The President shall commence the phased redeployment of United States forces from Iraq not later than 120 days after the date of the enactment of this Act, with the goal of redeploying, by March 31, 2008.

Media Matters for America has recently documented media outlets' characterizations of the House and Senate bills as efforts to "stymie[]" Bush's request for war funding and their claims that Democrats are "undercutting [the] troops" and will leave them "high and dry in the middle of the fight." But both houses of Congress have passed legislation providing funding for the troops in the field. The Senate and House are expected to reconcile the bills in conference and send a final version to the president for his signature. Bush, however, has promised to veto the bill if it includes a timeline for the redeployment of troops from Iraq. So while Congress has demonstrated a clear intention to fund the troops, Bush has said he will veto the bill -- thereby denying funding to the troops -- if it doesn't meet his conditions.

Media Matters also recently documented several other myths and falsehoods related to war spending bills.

From the April 15 edition of CNN's Late Edition with Wolf Blitzer:

BLITZER: Let's talk about President Bush for a moment. In our new CNN/Opinion Research Corporation poll, "How is President Bush handling his job as president?" Thirty-six percent approve; 62 percent disapprove.

In this showdown he now has with the Democrats and some Republicans over funding for the war with Congress, who's got the upper hand?

ROBERTS: I think, right now, President Bush has got the upper hand. And I think he really got the upper hand a week ago, when Harry Reid, the Senate majority leader, said, "I might sign on to the Russ Feingold bill to cut off funding for the war." I think that was a real mistake. And I think the president is taking no end of glee in rubbing Harry Reid's face in that.

I've talked to a lot of other Democrats, too, who believe that Harry Reid overstepped himself, that he should have been more measured. Now it's looking like this real petty fight on the part of the Democrats. And when it comes down to this idea of funding the war, funding the troops in the field, it's very difficult to make an argument to cut off the funds in the middle of a war. It's never happened before.

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    • Author by DorisRussell (April 18, 2007 3:58 pm ET)
         

      CNN looks like it is trying to steal some of the FOX viewers with the way it spots the GOP talking points. Disgusting.

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      • Author by duncan12347948 (April 18, 2007 4:41 pm ET)
           

        you know Fox should just be closed down so CNN would not have to get viewers this way.

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      • Author by tex (April 18, 2007 9:40 pm ET)
           

        Bush intends to "WIN" this argument by LYING about the position his opposition is taking. The "LIBERAL MEDIA" is only too glad to repeat Bush's lies as their Talking Points, as it is the goal of today's media to mislead the public into supporting Bush and opposing Democrats.

        Roberts knows the TRUTH: If our troops are stranded on the field of battle without funding, it will be ALL GW BUSH's FAULT. If he vetoes funding, HE has caused the lack of funding. If the funding runs out, BUSH is responsible for having troops still in the field and "cut off".

        As Commander in Chief, it is Bush's duty not to let it happen, that troops would be in harm's way without the financial support of the American people. If he causes it to happen, he should be impeached immediately.

        Roberts knows all this. Why does he LIE? 

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        • Author by golfer (April 19, 2007 2:52 pm ET)
             

          The bill the democrats propose is not in line with the constituion.  Congress does not get to decide how the war is executed.  They only get to fund or defund the war.  The constitution spells it out very clearly, the rest is just politics on both sides.  Congress will not vote to defund the war because they know that would be political suicide.  Additionally, I do not believe that the democrats have the votes to defund the war.

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    • Author by mefirst (April 18, 2007 4:03 pm ET)
         

      funding the war and funding the troops = two different things.

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    • Author by valentinian (April 18, 2007 4:12 pm ET)
         

      it's very difficult to make an argument to cut off the funds in the middle of a war. It's never happened before.

      Unless if by "never... before," he means, not since 1993.

      But IOKIYAR, obviously.

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      • Author by magnolialover (April 18, 2007 4:21 pm ET)
           

        But. But. That was DIFFERENT. Clinton was in the White House then.

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    • Author by Dem02020 (April 18, 2007 4:22 pm ET)
         

      Awesome item B.A. and MMFA, especially for the mention and link to Senator Feingold's letter, which I see is dated today, the 18th... talk about topical and timely both.

      I notice the letter is addressed to john roberts, and cc'd to wolf blitzer also... that's great, and it's what we definitely need to see more of: The very objects of the misinformation (in this case Mr. Feingold, and Sen. Reid also) taking the time and effort to send a letter off to these "media" hacks who so negligently misconstrue the things our agents in Congress say.

      It's so easy to do, draft and send a letter, and it's no small thing either.

      It documents the effort to correct the hack in question, and makes for something that can be referenced to later on, should the hack persist in misconstruing the Senator's (or any other person's) words...

      ...and should these hacks roberts and/or wolf be cited again, what will they say?

      "I'm sorry, but I didn't read that letter... I don't read mail that I get from U.S. Senators and U.S. Representatives."

      Anyway, great job all, especially Senator Feingold. More of his colleagues should do the same, and write off a brief letter to these offensive hacks in the "media", whenever they misconstrue or otherwise misrepresent the positions our agents in Congress take...

      ...and then post copies of those letters for us all to read, on the Internet Wire (MMFA sets a good example, I say).

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    • Author by draftedin68 (April 18, 2007 4:25 pm ET)
         

      Rectumfactitis...

      An affliction that way too many of the MSM's ball-chasing puppies suffer from. 

      It occurs most often when they have not done adequate research and, because they're on camera without a teleprompter, they just reach back and grab some smelly ones.

      Roberts is less prone to this malady than some, but when he has an episode, it's usually severe.

       

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    • Author by conleytgwinn (April 18, 2007 4:29 pm ET)
         

      the right answer to "tying B(ush's)(ungle's) hands", is tightly, behind his back, as he is sent off for trial at The Hague, right after the impeachment and conviction of every cabinet officer and himself and Cheney.

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      • Author by redking75687 (April 18, 2007 8:20 pm ET)
           

        And who's gonna do the impeaching? The Democrats? They refuse to. They're collaborating in war crimes.

        I was thinking of a billboard campaign for the Greens. A big picture of Bush and Cheney in orange prison uniforms, coming off the prison bus in handcuffs, with a big caption that reads: "The Democrats won't do it. We will!"

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        • Author by conleytgwinn (April 18, 2007 10:39 pm ET)
             

          As soon as you have the 67 votes in the Senate, I will get right on board.

          But . . . I sorta think that is a verrrry long shot, so I will continue to work on the Dems and the marginal Republicans while hoping that Doolittle and the rest of the ongoing investigations provide the charges to do what needs be done.

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    • Author by eweston8542983 (April 18, 2007 4:41 pm ET)
         

      Agreed mostly. I think it might take a little more effort to accuratly track (unless you come here) and respond correctly. I'd like to see more of this. Of course It can also be a distraction to the legislator,  his or hers ethics play a part, and The news of course will shade it in a negative light," the senater again responds to criticism tonight!

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    • Author by Sagra (April 18, 2007 5:17 pm ET)
         

      Roberts gives the impression that Democrats plan to actually leave the troops in Iraq with no food, no water, no bullets and no way home.

      Gee, I wonder if that's on purpose.

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      • Author by bittermarv (April 18, 2007 6:04 pm ET)
           

        Democrats have no stake in that.  They provide money.  The Executive branch is responsible for getting the troops out of Iraq if there isn't enough money to continue prosecuting this bungled foreign policy.  Checks and balances.

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      • Author by redking75687 (April 18, 2007 8:12 pm ET)
           

        Well, they do plan on leaving them in Iraq with only more rotations home and plenty of bullets flying around. I'd call that stranded...stranded in hell by our war criminal government.

        Troops. Home. NOW!

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    • Author by MickD (April 18, 2007 5:22 pm ET)
         

      "...the president is taking no end of glee in rubbing Harry Reid's face in that." WTF kind of commentary is that? Just observing BushieCo lame duckie is to see a man so withdrawn and lost as to characterize glee seems to imply the admin has a pulse. So stupid, just through simple observation which I thought journalists were paid to do.

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    • Author by princeofwheels (April 18, 2007 5:46 pm ET)
         

      Does anyone believe that the Dems are going to leave the troops behind? If so, there is no limit to ignorance. But, these ConMen continue to assualt the dignity of their followers by the daily assult on those that disagree. For example, Hannity uses the insane reasoning that since Democratic Senators and House members vote FOR the Iraq War that they should not have the right or ability to change their minds. If that be the case, those that VOTED AGAINST the war on the Dem side should be running the country. No one has ever asked Hannity his take on that.

      For those of you that believe the Dems would leave the troops there, why don't you go get them home yourselves? I would follow the stupid thinking process you have come to believe.

      And yes, I am VERMIN

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      • Author by redking75687 (April 18, 2007 8:17 pm ET)
           

        The Dems are leaving our troops there. One more year of war crime, one more year of rotations, one more tour in hell. And then they will "redeploy" them....well, half of them. Which means more tours and rotations and non-stop occupation for years and years and years and .....

        No more excuses from the Demo-cons. Troops. Home. NOW!

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        • Author by conleytgwinn (April 18, 2007 8:52 pm ET)
             

          The very instant that you find those 67 Senate votes!

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          • Author by redking75687 (April 18, 2007 9:04 pm ET)
               

            So the Dems putting forth bills and plans that continue the operations is only because they can't come up with the votes to bring the troops home? You don't get it. They're NOT trying to stop this. The Democrats themselves want to drag this occupation out indefinitely for their masters at AIPAC.

            There is NO valid excuse for Demo-con collaboration with the neo-con agenda....none what so ever.

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            • Author by valentinian (April 18, 2007 9:31 pm ET)
                 

              I cannot figure it out. Redking is a little quicker than I would be to play the AIPAC card, but I don't know why the hell else Levin has to go and tell Bush that all he has to do is veto the bill and they'll knuckle under.

              I would advance political cowardice as a motive, but they have public opinion behind them - and may actually lose votes by not stopping this war.

              So, WTF, blame AIPAC, it makes as much sense as anything else... 

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              • Author by redking75687 (April 19, 2007 3:46 am ET)
                   

                When it comes to our government and Middle East policy, you have to factor in the Israel Lobby. They're the ones who got the Dems to pull the language from the recent war crimes spending bill to demand Bush seek Congressional approval before attacking Iran.

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              • Author by conleytgwinn (April 19, 2007 4:04 am ET)
                   

                The Dems had to barter significantly, if you paid attention, even to get a vote on the Emergency Funding Bill including the timetable, in the Senate. I don't know (and don't much care) what they paid to move from 48 to 52 votes to approve that bill - but I'd guess the price was not insignificant. There currently IS no price sufficient to get to the 60 votes required to shut down debate, unless Bungle vetoes, stranding the "moderate" Republicans (all 10 of them) with a war they cannot defend; concurrently with pushing the investigations of Gonzogate in all its many violations of law, the 5,000,000+ "lost" emails in violation of multiple laws, Representative Doolittle's several violations - especially those leading back to the White House through MZM and Foggo/Wilkes, Hatch Act problems (Lurita Doan at GSA, the infamous "brown-bag" presentations) - and wishful thinking, some work directly on Halliburton.

                Political realism is not my strong suit, and (consequently?) not usually my style; but I see no way to proceed here except to rely on Bungle to veto, buying time for other conditions to mature.

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      • Author by thedailyphosdex (April 19, 2007 11:28 am ET)
           

        This might or might not relate, but The Sunday Post (Dundee, Scotland) of this past weekend noted where British soldiers serving in Iraq were told to buy pizzas out-of-pocket, and claim back the costs, because "the Army didn't have any food."

        That, and their being given poor-quality boots, flack jackets and thermal underwear, in turn arousing the ire of the parents of British troops stationed in Iraq vis-a-vis their Members of Parliament.

        No wonder His Fraudulency's continued mindset towards the ur-RAHOWA in Iraq and Afghanistan is one of "No Retreat, No Surrender"-stylee fanaticism, without regards to financial or moral costs. 

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    • Author by tex (April 18, 2007 9:48 pm ET)
         

      REDKING:

      Hypothetically, let's say your daughter is known to be riding in a stolen car. You are outraged the car was stolen, and you wish your daughter to exit the car IMMEDIATELY.

      Problem is, at this instant, the car is travelling 70 mph. Would you demand Daughter. Out. NOW!!! Or would you maybe want the car to slow down some first? Eh? 

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      • Author by Kaleun (April 19, 2007 12:19 am ET)
           

        It's not the same. It wouldn't be a problem to start withdrawing the troops now. But it's probably too politically risky for the Dems. They'll gat blamed for defeat (although that'll happen either way).

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      • Author by redking75687 (April 19, 2007 3:51 am ET)
           

        Tex, in this instance, the driver of that car is plowing into pedestrians and killing them in droves. Someone needs to slam on the brakes before another victim is created. We're talking about lives here, over half a million taken so far. And it's not just Bush's fault. Everytime those Dem Congressmen and Senators voted to keep this war crime funded, they voted to kill people. Every one that voted for the recent funding bill voted to kill more people. Every one that talks of redeployment and not full withdrawal is pushing to KILL more people. Both parties are proving themselves to be nothing but packs of mass murderers. 

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    • Author by representativepress (April 19, 2007 10:32 am ET)
         

       VIDEO: Surge is Counterproductive and Harms Our National Security

      Lt. Gen. Robert Gard (Ret.) US Army

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