On MSNBC, Michael Graham joined blame-the-victims chorus: A "story of people just freezing"
On the April 19 edition of MSNBC Live, Boston radio host Michael Graham told NBC News chief White House correspondent David Gregory that "the entire story" of the mass shooting at Virginia Tech "is a story of people just freezing, of just letting him [the gunman] have their way, except for that one brave professor who put himself in between the gunman and his students." Graham stated:
GRAHAM: And there's going to be a disturbing conversation coming up, David Gregory, about what -- how is it possible for 200 people to encounter a lone gunman, in one classroom 25 to 1, and yet the entire story is a story of people just freezing, of just letting him have their way, except for that one brave professor who put himself in between the gunman and his students. He sticks out in this story. And I think that's a conversation we're going to have in the future.
Gregory did not respond to Graham's assertion.
Media Matters for America has documented several examples of media figures faulting the victims at Virginia Tech:
- In her April 18 syndicated column, Fox News analyst Michelle Malkin wrote: "Instead of encouraging autonomy, our higher institutions of learning stoke passivity and conflict-avoidance. And as the erosion of intellectual self-defense goes, so goes the erosion of physical self-defense."
- In an April 18 National Review column, Chicago Sun-Times columnist Mark Steyn suggested that Virginia Tech students were guilty of an "awful corrosive passivity" that is "an existential threat to a functioning society."
- In an April 17 weblog post on National Review Online's The Corner, contributor John Derbyshire asked: "Where was the spirit of self-defense here? Setting aside the ludicrous campus ban on licensed conceals, why didn't anyone rush the guy? It's not like this was Rambo, hosing the place down with automatic weapons. He had two handguns for goodness' sake -- one of them reportedly a .22." Time.com Washington editor Ana Marie Cox criticized Derbyshire in an April 17 post on Time magazine's political weblog, Swampland.
- In the April 18 edition of his daily program notes, nationally syndicated radio host Neal Boortz asked: "How far have we advanced in the wussification of America?" Boortz was responding to criticism of comments he made on the April 17 broadcast of his radio show regarding the mass shooting at Virginia Tech. During that broadcast, Boortz asked: "How the hell do 25 students allow themselves to be lined up against the wall in a classroom and picked off one by one? How does that happen, when they could have rushed the gunman, the shooter, and most of them would have survived?" In his April 18 program notes, Boortz added: "It seems that standing in terror waiting for your turn to be executed was the right thing to do, and any questions as to why 25 students didn't try to rush and overpower Cho Seung-Hui are just examples of right wing maniacal bias. Surrender -- comply -- adjust. The doctrine of the left. ... Even the suggestion that young adults should actually engage in an act of self defense brings howls of protest."
In the April 19 edition of his daily program notes, Boortz endorsed Steyn's column, but added:
Mark Steyn has it right. We have produced a culture of passivity. Some listeners brought up a very good point yesterday in that self defense is absolutely not allowed in today's government schools. Almost all of those Virginia Tech students went through a government school system where a person who uses physical force in self defense on school grounds is punished at the same level as the aggressor. In this we teach our children that there is something wrong with acting to defend yourself. This lesson can be carried into adulthood. It's a valid point, one that I wish I could have made in a more appropriate manner yesterday. I failed, and for that I apologize.
On MSNBC, Graham failed to note reports that students and faculty did, in fact, act against the gunman. The New York Times reported:
Then, with gunshots ringing down the hall, Mr. [Derek] O'Dell, who had been shot in the arm, and other students shut the classroom door and pushed themselves against it to prevent the gunman from getting back in.
A few minutes later, the gunman tried to force his way back inside the classroom, where Mr. [Trey] Perkins was using his jacket and sweatshirt to stanch the wounds of bleeding students. Mr. Cho [Cho Seung-Hui, the gunman] managed to open the door a crack, but the students pushed back hard enough to stop him.
"I sprinted on top of the desk to the door, because the aisle was clogged with people, and I used my foot as a wedge against the door," recalled Mr. O'Dell. "It was almost like you had to fight for your life. If you didn't, you died."
Mr. Perkins said he was struck at how Mr. O'Dell managed to help hold back the gunman, given his injury.
"It was just amazing to me that he was still up and leaning against the door," he said. "Derek was able to hold him off while I was helping other people."
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Mr. O'Dell said others helped him block Mr. Cho from re-entering. "Trey and Erin helped keep the door closed," he recalled, referring to another student. "One helped while the other went to the window and yelled for help. There was also another student who was shot in the hand who helped keep the door closed."
The Washington Post reported on a computer class composed of a "small group of 10":
One student, Zach Petkowicz, was near the lectern "cowering behind it," he would later say, when he realized that the door was vulnerable. There was a heavy rectangular table in the class, and he and two other students pushed it against the door. No sooner had they fixed it in place than someone pushed hard from the outside. It was the gunman. He forced it open about six inches, but no farther. Petkowicz and his classmates pushed back, not letting up. The gunman fired two shots through the door. One hit the lectern and sent wood scraps and metal flying. Neither hit any of the students. They could hear a clip dropping, the distinct, awful sound of reloading. And, again, the gunman moved on.
Moreover, The Washington Post reported that there were at least two professors -- not one, as Graham stated -- who lost their lives while trying to protect students.
The Post reported:
Granata, a military veteran, was in his office on the third floor. He walked out and across the hall to a classroom, where 20 frightened students were wondering what to do. He directed them into his office, where he ushered them to safety -- in close quarters but behind the locked doors. Then, aware that other students might be in danger on the second floor, he and another professor, Wally Grant, went downstairs to investigate, Slota said.
Cho spotted them and shot them both. Grant was wounded but survived; Granata was killed. If the students in the classroom had tried to run out, they would have confronted the killer, too, Slota said.
"All those in that class, they all made it," Slota said. "They were locked up until the police came. [Granata] couldn't sit around and do nothing. He had to help out, find out what was going on."
The Post also noted:
Room 204, Professor [Liviu] Librescu's class, seems to have been the gunman's last stop on the second floor. The teacher and his dozen students had heard too much, though they had not seen anything yet. They had heard a girl's piercing scream in the hallway. They had heard the pops and more pops. By the time the gunman reached the room, many of the students were on the window ledge. There was grass below, not concrete, and even some shrubs. The old professor was at the door, which would not lock, pushing against it, when the gunman pushed from the other side. Some of the students jumped, others prepared to jump until Librescu could hold the door no longer and the gunman forced his way inside.
Matt Webster, a 23-year-old engineering student from Smithfield, Va., was one of four students inside when the gunman appeared. "He was decked out like he was going to war," Webster recalled. "Black vest, extra ammunition clips, everything." Again, his look was blank, just a stare, no expression, as he started shooting. The first shot hit Librescu in the head, killing him.
From the 8 a.m. ET hour of the April 19 edition of MSNBC Live:
GREGORY: Is there something that we should take away from all of this? If it wasn't on a college campus -- I don't mean just the gun debate, I mean this terrible rampage -- if it weren't on a college campus, you would especially say, "Look, I mean, what are you going to do? There's wackos out there. There's people who are so disturbed that this is going to happen." But there's something about being in a closed society, that is a college campus, this is where we send our kids, where they're supposed to be safe -- what should we be talking about out of all this?
GRAHAM: I think there are three things. In Boston, where I live and work, we have an incident like this every six months. It's just spread out over six months. Seventy-five people murdered last year, and local law enforcement very slow to react to it. Second year in a row of murders that high. And yet that every-six-month-Virginia Tech death toll gets basically ignored. It's just, "Oh, it's just another shooting on a Friday night in Dorchester or Roxbury," and that's one lesson.
The other lesson, I think, though -- and this is the hard one, particularly for those of us in the media because, you know, I get on the air and scream and yell and rant and say, "Oh, we've got to do something today." There are some things in the world that aren't fixable. You can't fix the fact that there are broken people. And to try -- whether it's implementing draconian gun laws or screening every future college student for, you know, any unusual behavior -- there is no free -- there is no filter in a free society that can filter out people like this.
What we need to do is, I think, focus on what we can do when we are confronted by situations like this. And there's going to be a disturbing conversation coming up, David Gregory, about what -- how is it possible for 200 people to encounter a lone gunman, in one classroom 25 to 1, and yet the entire story is a story of people just freezing, of just letting him have their way, except for that one brave professor who put himself in between the gunman and his students. He sticks out in this story. And I think that's a conversation we're going to have in the future.
GREGORY: All right, we're going to take a quick break here. Michael Graham, radio talk-show host out of Boston, joining us. Twelve minutes to the hour. We're coming right back. Don't go away.















Well put
In addition, the VT-Flight 93 comparison fails for several other reasons:
1. The Flight 93 passengers had the time and ability to confer with one another and make plans.
2. They were attacking people armed with, at best, box cutters.
3. They knew what had happened on the other flights and suspected they were in for the same fate, so may have seen themselves as making a sacrifice for a greater good (such as saving the Capital building or something).
It's an absolute cop-out to say that someone should have been a hero in any situation, but "Dr." Emmerich's comparison--along with the rest of his writings--is absurd beyond belief.
What happened?
I was responding to a good post by Brabantio, who was responding to a brain-dead post by Dr. Emmerich. All of a sudden, everything before mine is missing. I really wasn't trying to jump in front of the line, folks!
Sure, sure, another dirty lib trick.
Nothing's worse than a line jumper.
(Sarcasm light should appear when the above is viewed)
I am telling the world here that i had to weep last night when names were put to faces and discovered the story behind those people that were killed on monday. each and everyone of those that perished had accomplished way beyound these scoudrels that get to speak on the world stage thru media microphones and utter such rubbish with no regard to the families that lost these loved ones. Michael Graham should be recorded in american history as an " A$$".
I really take offense to persons who analyze a mass murder in terms of liberal vs conservative values. Your politics Dr. Emmerich is useless and unfeeling.
Hi Doctor,
Our Dr. Hal Emmerich is not a doctor, he's a character in a video game.
I see no evidence that the dr. has read what he's taking about.
From now on, call me Lara Croft, Tomb Raider, even though Frogger would be more apt.
These people at V.T. were not kids. They were old enough to vote. They were old enough to leave home. The fact that none of them chose to try to stop the killer is not a point at all. The kids for the last 30 years have bean tout that to hurt another person is bad.The parents do not tell there kids to protect others and the schools teach that the government knows what is best so trust the government. These killings will keep happening until things change and the people of the U.S. learn to stand up for them selfs and not be victoms all the time and wanting the government to fix everything. These sort of things started in 1965 and we have not found a way to stop them yet. Maybe we need to step back and rethink the way we raise our kids and teach them.
Nice blanket statement. Now crawl under it and take a nice long nap.
You're funny, MickD.
Yours,
Lara Croft, Tomb Raider
Laura, just call me Buffy The Wing Nut Slayer and that's Ms. Buffy the Wing Nut Slayer to all you wing nuts.
Buffy, you're the best. Thanks for the laugh!!!
Mr. Ranch you have also neglected to read what you have comented about. NO? Would you address the actions of student Zach Petkowicsz and his classmates? There were other actions of which we haven't heard yet. Any feeling that maybe an actaul report of the actions involved might be good to base an argument on? Worried you might forget your argument or fail to find a proper space for it?
Some futher reading might indicate that Mr. Chow had recognized problems that the various assistence systems could not respond to.Furhter reading might show not a number of young pathological personalities have no route of action regarding their pathology. The people now in control of actions to create proceedures and facilites to deal with this hole in our social net have no reason or desire to do so. Smaller government right? Even better if you have people in charge who have no intension of fullfilling the historical functions of the positions that they occupy.
Try again.
"The kids for the last 30 years have bean tout that to hurt another person is bad." (J. Ranch)
Sooooo... you think the increase in school shootings is due to not enough kids understanding that hurting other people is good.
I'm glad I didn't bean tout the same place which you was.
If you have problems with YOUR upbringing, I'd suggest you take it up with your parents. If you have problems with the way your children turned out, I'd suggest you try to rectify the damage you've already done.
Don't come here parroting mindless drivel you've been indoctrinated to believe by Mrs.Limbaugh and O'Really. Neither has the required parenting skills. Luckily for the gene pool, Rush has not reproduced and O'Really's children are too young to inflict any damage on the world.
I've never met a parent who did not teach their kids that it's OK to protect themselves and others. My wife was a pacifist and she and I raised our children to never fight, unless there is no other option.
These incidents have nothing to do with the way we raise our kids. The person responsible for these shootings was the one who thought of himself as a "victim", not those he chose to murder.
Man, I'm getting paranoid but this seems like a Rovian type talking point forwarded to on-the-payroll journalists to divert any call for gun control or to indicate that more people need to be packing. Man.
I tend to agree. I heard our local Rush Limbaugh wannabe making the same idiotic point two days ago. This is most likely a Conservative talking point that has been circulated from wherever they get the rest of their garbage.
I've dated a lot of Type A guys. Here's what I love about 'em:
A. Their deliciously big muscles and...
B. Their delightfully small egos.
They can lift cinder block all day, but they don't boast. If Graham were in the company of such men, he wouldn't talk the way he does. Behold his pastiness! Witness his flaccid musculature!
I could take Graham. My Mom could take Graham. Graham talks like a bad hombre because he's as tough as a burrito.
I don't know who is lower Cho or those who are putting the blame on the students.
quite possibly those blaming the victims are the lower.
I mean, at least Cho eventually shot himself, but these ghoulish wingnuts will stick around to rear their ugly heads and proffer their worthless judgments the next time tragedy strikes
james-ranch1066 These sort of things started in 1965 and we have not found a way to stop them yet.
I was a junior in high school back in 65. I must have missed the starting point that led to this atrocity, please provide a link so I don’t spend the rest of my life trying to figure out where we went wrong. Was it Son of Sam?
Maybe we need to step back and rethink the way we raise our kids and teach them.Oh yes, “Teach your Children Well”. Teach them to be bullies, teach them to belittle someone because they are different, teach them to hate, teach them well.
http://www.edmontonsun.com/News/World/2007/04/19/4068653.html
http://www.canada.com/nationalpost/news/story.html?id=d7d6bc5a-0ba0-4040-b4b4-71b0c89dd86d
http://www.citynews.ca/news/news_9934.aspx
This is not directed at Mr. Ranch or anyone in particular, but everyone needs to reflect on how and why senseless atrocities like this happen.
What next? Why not blame the shootings on students who were turned into wimps by soy products and gay tv shows? Yea, a real man would have swooped down like Spiderman and saved the day, right? Who has time to worry about two handguns aimed at your head? Just do it! Oh, and I sincerely doubt that these cowardly girly-men who criticize dead people would have done anything more than soil their undergarments from the shock and fear of a sudden attack. Cowards!!!
I know there are legal restrictions to how far you can go with a Punk'd type practical joke, but I would love to see every one of these tough-talkers set up in a staged but similar situation.
Then I'd like to see the video of them curled up under a desk with wet pants played all day long
I hope that MMFA forces the Doctor to handwrite his future posts so that the visual effect of his penmanship will be equal to the incoherent statements he spouts. By then, understanding the operation of an ink pen may be to difficult to understand.
You are a Rush goose-stepper....which is dittohead in real english.
Rx: Keep sending in your info, it helps me understand the QuasiRight just a little better every day.
Well, Michelle Malkin would know about the erosion of intellectual self defense. It's been evident for some time now.
I'm surprised no post has contained the obvious question-what would this loud mouth do in the same situation? Block the door with his body? I doubt it. I vote run. Anyone else? Anyone? Graham? You're a piece of s--- and I hope you are reading this.
This is such a load of crap. How do these people deliver this drivel with a straight face? And, Mr. Raunch, please educate us on this point...when in history have unarmed people successfully defended themselves against armed oppressors or assailants? To state that this natural human response is somehow the result of "liberalism" is just a shameless Conservative bullsh*t talking point.
Here's a hint...all those movies where the hero kicks the gun out of the bad guys hand...those are ACTORS. Just thought you'd like to know.
Get your head out of Rush Limbaugh's ass and think.
There is no doubt in my mind that everyone of the survivors and most of the students who weren't directly involved are giving a great deal of thought to actions they might have taken or will take if they are ever again involved in something like this.
Most will decide it is better to fight to escape or to subdue than to die. It is comforting to know that some students and professors took action.
By golly, I think you're right, OldFart.
The problem is that us liberals aren't willing to give the student surge a chance to work. We're all for cutting and running from the classroom before the student surge has been given a chance for success. And after our slow bleed strategy surrenders the classroom, what then? It becomes a haven for the mentally ill gunslingers. Meanwhile, we lose all our respect from other educational institutions around the world.
Well, when that next student surge becomes necessary, I want you to know, OldFart, that I'll be right behind you all the way...
...and yet the entire story is a story of people just freezing, of just letting him have their way, except for that one brave professor who put himself in between the gunman and his students...
So all the people killed by Cho were sniveling cowards. Got it.
to all of you tough guys blaming the victims. Why aren't you on the ground leading the charge over in Irag?
I know the answer, you are the worst kind of cowards!
The people who insist that they could rush a person with a pistol have never been in harms way and they are pretty ignorant of history. Gee, I wonder why prison inmates comply with corrections officers? In addition the Japanese Army was outnumbered by the citizens of Nanking. I guess the wussification of the Chinese people kept them from rushing their invader.
The lowlifes blaming the students are lower than Cho. He was mentally ill. These jerks think they will fight an armed man.
I have no doubt what would have happened if we had a do-over and Boortz and Malkin traded places with two of the dead students. They wouldn't just have crapped their pants. They would be D-E-A-D dead.
It is obvious that this disgusting blame-the-victim talking point has come from someone in the Bush Administration or the gun lobby. They have fallen to a new low. Fortunately, I believe only the most ignorant morons will fall for it.
I hope this tactic backfires. You'll note that there is little support for the new talking point here on Media Matters.
Bush-supporting readers of Media Matters take note: Is this really the type of rhetoric you wish to be associated with? Does it not make you question your support of Rush and Malkin and Boortz with regard to other matters?
Just askin'.
So how many more characters are left in that video game, now that Col./Lt./Dr. has gone GAME OVER?
Waaaaayy too many. Don't be surprised to see the following usernames show up:
LiquidSnake, McDonnel Benedict Miller, Johnny Sasaki, Dr. Drego Pettrovich Mandar, Kyle Schneider, and if he decides he's really a woman trapped in a man's body (as many conservatives do, it seems), Meryl Silverburgh or Mei Ling.
Although, at the rate he's been going lately, he may run out of powerups sooner rather than later...
That's it I am convinced. The right thinks we should raise our kids to be Spartans. I was on the fence but now I'm convinced
Thanks for letting me know. Now I'll be sure to sign my five year old up for a practical pistol course and send the three year old to survival training. Can anyone say Summer Camp?
What a joke. Did this guy ever serve his country in combat? Has he ever taken a weapons class? Doubt it, if he had he'd know better than to spew this ignorance.
many years ago when i was a freshman in college going through my teenage outlaw phase, i found myself staring down the barrel of a gun several times...
only once in that time did i ever think that the circumstances were favorable enough for me to play the cowboy and take my changes against somebody else's trigger finger and that was because the other person was almost incoherently high and would have, at worst, shot off my ear ...and i was just drunk enough that night not to care
other than that, even when i was armed and could have easily turned a situation into a shooting match, "getting the f--- outta dodge" was always the preferable maneuver
the very idea that some of these chickensh-- chickenhawk pundits want to blame a bunch of unarmed students and teachers caught off guard for not being eager to test their luck against a deranged gunman is so utterly and damnably stupid and heartless as to be beyond belief and beneath contempt
i really do wish these wingnuts would take their masturbatory "this is how I would have done it, so why didn't they?" fantasies and theories and jam them forcibly where the sun does not shine
Took the words right outa me mouth, Crapo. I looked down the barrel of a service .45 when I was 18, and neither I nor the M.P. holding it was drunk. The thing looked as big as a cannon. These mic-ro heroes are lower than slugs. I revere the 1st Amendment, but just because you have a right to say anything you want it doesn't follow that it's right to say anything you want.