Boortz attacked "Media Morons"
On the April 20 broadcast of his nationally syndicated radio show, Neal Boortz attacked Media Matters for America, which he called "Media Morons," for an April 20 New York Times article by reporter Jacques Steinberg headlined "Talk Radio Tries for Humor and a Political Advantage." In the article, Steinberg noted that Boortz, while discussing the recent shootings at Virginia Tech on the April 18 broadcast of his show, speculated that "[w]hen the history of this event is written ... we will have 25 students standing meekly waiting for this guy to execute them" and then aired an instrumental version of the Pat Benatar song "Hit Me With Your Best Shot." Boortz went on to state: "[S]omebody out there feeds this, because I know damn well Jacques Steinberg wasn't listening to The Neal Boortz Show. ... So my guess is Media Morons, I mean Media Matters. My guess is it was them. Because they specialize in disinformation." In fact, Media Matters did not publish an item documenting Boortz's comments -- or choices of music -- on the April 18 broadcast of his show.
Media Matters did, however, note Boortz's comments regarding the Virginia Tech victims on the April 17 broadcast of The Neal Boortz Show, during which he asked: "How the hell do 25 students allow themselves to be lined up against the wall in a classroom and picked off one by one? How does that happen, when they could have rushed the gunman, the shooter, and most of them would have survived?" Media Matters also noted that in the April 18 edition of his program notes, called Nealz Nuze, Boortz wrote that the Virginia Tech incident represented "the wussification of America."
In the April 19 edition of Nealz Nuze, Boortz wrote: "I actually listened to my show ... or parts of it ... and I became very angry. Upset and angry. At who? Well, mostly at me. I was angry at me for the way I was handling the Virginia Tech matter. I wasn't angry at what I was saying ... just with how I was saying it." Boortz went on to reiterate that "Mark Steyn has it right [about the Virginia Tech shootings]. We have produced a culture of passivity." As Media Matters noted, Steyn, a Chicago Sun-Times columnist and National Review contributor, attributed the shootings to, in part, "a general culture of passivity, which Virginia Tech exemplifies."
During the April 20 broadcast, Boortz also claimed that the music for each segment is "completely and totally random" and selected by a "computer."
From the April 20 broadcast of Cox Radio Syndication's The Neal Boortz Show:
BOORTZ: So, during the break, I actually talked to Jacques Steinberg, New York Times. Belinda [Skelton, producer] talked to him and said, "Neal wants to talk to you about this." And he said, "Absolutely not. I stand by the story." Then they put me on the line. I explained to him -- I said, "I, you know, Mr. Steinberg, I never choose the bumper music for this show. I never do." Royal [Marshall, engineer and "sidekick"], in the 14 years we've been working together, have I ever selected the bumper music for any segment of this show? One time? When was that?
MARSHALL: You asked me to play Etta James' "At Last."
BOORTZ: I did one time, didn't you -- didn't I?
MARSHALL: Yes, you did.
BOORTZ: Which is not our normal bumper music.
MARSHALL: Yeah, that is not the normal --
BOORTZ: Because I think that Etta James -- I think that is just one of the most beautiful ballads out there. I really love that. So I asked you to play it one time. But at any rate, so I'm talking to Jacques Steinberg, and I say, "I don't select the bumper music." I [sic] said, "Well, who does?" And I said, "A computer. We have, it's just a big, massive .wav file. I don't even know how it works." Royal, how does it work?
MARSHALL: If you can imagine having a -- lets put it in layman's terms.
BOORTZ: An iPod.
MARSHALL: Having, a c-- OK, an iPod. Well, I was going to go CD player.
BOORTZ: An iPod with 300 30-second songs on it.
MARSHALL: See, you're kind of in the ballpark. It's more like 5 iPods, each of them with 75 songs on them.
BOORTZ: OK.
MARSHALL: And, so, we just pick a particular iPod, and whatever song's next on that iPod, that's what plays.
BOORTZ: So it's completely and totally random.
MARSHALL: Yes.
BOORTZ: Except for every once in a while, Royal will pick something that matches the thing, but in this case, random. Royal is thinking, "It's time for a break. Neal is in there beating his gums, he has no clue what, you know, what time it is, I'm going to play some bumper music, that'll be his clue to shut up, and we can get into a commercial break or news break." So Royal pushes a button and an instrumental -- no words -- version of "Hit Me With Your Best Shot" comes up, and then somebody out there feeds this, because I know damn well Jacques Steinberg wasn't listening to The Neal Boortz Show. I don't have a Jacques anybody that listens to The Neal Boortz Show. I don't have an anybody Steinberg that listens to The Neal Boortz Show. But especially somebody named Jacques.
So my guess is Media Morons, I mean Media Matters. My guess is it was them. Because they specialize in disinformation. So anyway, Jaques Steinberg prints that I selected it, I paused -- in all fairness, I talked to him on the phone, he asked me some questions, and really, really tried to understand the process by which we play bumper music. And I told him, I said, you know, I just want a correction to this, this is the paper of record, this is The New York Times. And now internationally you printed this that I went out there and selected "Hit Me With Your Best Shot" to wrap up a segment where we're talking about Virginia Tech.
Media Morons...an apt description of pricks like Boortz.
Oh, Nerflog, Boortz call MMFA "morons", and you call him a prick. How does that make you any better than him? Have some integrity and stop stooping to name-calling.
"Your honor, this man may look like an idiot and he may sound like an idiot, but don't let that fool you...he really is an idiot."....Groucho Marx from Duck Soup.
There are few situations in this world for which a quote from Groucho Marx does not aptly sum up.
Alphabet Boy,
The difference is that the people at Media Matters are not morons, but Boortz is a prick. I 'm not name-calling...just stating a fact.
And I never claimed to be better than anyone.
When rightwing bobbleheads say thing moronic and it reaches people who disagree, all they can do anymore is blame MMFA, as if MMFA is what ails America.
In fairness to Boortz, he did say twice that it was a guess.
Yeeha! All hail the grammatical master.
Friday rules, Pete. You am ok.I using they 7 days for the each week.
MMFA must be striking a nerve among the Troglodytes, since they attack it so often.
Yes, damn those words that they say!
Striking a nerve. Exactly.
this sounds suspiciously like the converse, I've seen MMFA rail against in the past, when said by conservative pundits..
Hmmm..... so many pots, so few kettles...
And if MMFA 'attacked' people by calling them morons or other such personal attacks rather than just show thier lies, distortions and flatly ignorant satements you might have a point. They dont. YOU HAVE NOT POINT.
If all this is accurate I can't give Boortz the benefit of the doubt on this.....he is way too defensive and it just seems a little curious that this bumper music was just "randomly" played. It was tasteless, regardless, including his remarks about the students "standing meekly" - how horrible.
These were students who were in school where things like this are not supposed to happen, not on some battlefield. They were executed for no reason. For anyone to question the victims action or inaction is inexcusable, not to mention grossly disrespectful.
"These were students who were in school where things like this are not supposed to happen, not on some battlefield. They were executed for no reason. For anyone to question the victims action or inaction is inexcusable, not to mention grossly disrespectful."
Well said Tommy. That is 100% correct. This isn't James Bond crap.
My only problem with this thread is it's headline.
Who gives a rat's ass if Boortz called MMFA-- Media Morons?
Come on Brock get your priorities in order. This isn't about calling your site names. Geez!
That is hardly the important or significant story here.
Or the story at all.
Boortz wins the award for America's Most Despicable Talk Radio Host In America for this stunt. That is what this thread should be headlining.
I can't even fathom what a cold hearted bastard this guy must be.
THIS is the guy that ought to be fired!
Will anyone speak out about his callous behaviour & total disregard for the 32 grieving families?
Like the media that was so disgusted with Imus? We'll see.
Good point J, the headline is a little self-serving and is hardly the point of the story.
All headlines to all stories are self serving. That would be Journalism 101.
anything inaccurate about the headline?
Your defense of everything MMFA is very touching.....the comment section is not called "rubberstamp" every word however, despite your best wishes.
i'm not defending anything. i'm asking is the headline inaccurate. i think it's your tendency to nitpick that's on display here.
Jeter made an excellent point about the self indulgence of this headline, I merely agreed with him. I was just po'd that I didn't catch it before him ;) ........but he is smart intelligent comrade and a bud of mine, so if anyone caught it, I am glad it was him.
actually i don't see anything self indulgent about it. he attacked this site with a false charge and used the name "morons". why you have a problem with an accurate headline is beyond me.
The fueds back and forth between this website and the media screechers it skews is hardly a headline......I am more interested in the meat of the topic, not their finger pointing antics.
Ahh, unless it's a topic that deserves the "why is this here" label......well, that's a horse of a different color.
so you have no problem with him saying something untrue. but mfa prints an accurate headline and you jump all over them as "self indulgent".
Thanks Tommy, I knew when I wrote my post it would irritate a few of the faithful.
I like your description of this headline best: Self indulgence.
Perfect.
P.S. I hate to leave you with mefirst, but I'm gonna go pour myself a cup of coffee, fire up a cigarette, then watch Chris Matthews. Another words...I'm out ;-)
Lata Bro :-)
maybe if you didn't try and have it both ways jeter. there was nothing inaccurate about the headline, and you were given both the opportunity to read about the music controversy to and comment on it.
In point of fact, things can both be true and self-indulgent at the same time, like this headline for instance.
know what? it was an accurate headline about a guy who made a false charge against this specific site, by name. they have chosen to answer that charge. you want to join tommy in the land of the nitpicking complainers, feel free. nothing i can do to change that.
it was an accurate headline about a guy who made a false charge against this specific site, by name
And what false charge is that? They admitted using information from the show on the 18th. So, maybe he is correct in his assessment?
do you even bother to read what's posted? read the transcript. it's printed right there. boortz said that the contention that he used the song "hit me with your best shot" came from media morons. it did not. therefore a false charge. can i make it any simpler for you?
Boortz went on to state: "[S]omebody out there feeds this, because I know damn well Jacques Steinberg wasn't listening to The Neal Boortz Show. ... So my guess is Media Morons, I mean Media Matters. My guess is it was them. Because they specialize in disinformation."
How much of the transcript do I need to read? This part here says what you claim is there and that I claim is not. Did he say mmfa used that information? No, he says mmfa probably had steinberg use the information. Which is probably correct. mmfa listens to every show and sends pertinant info to whoever they feel will better help their cause. In this case it was steinberg. If you deny that, then you are very closed minded.
and your proof is exactly what? leaving out your claim that you are "probably correct"?
Hey, YOU are the one claiming false charges, not me. How bout some proof of your own?
it's like proving a negative. but i do know one thing. boortz claims all the bumper music is "completely and totally random", as in the computer selects it all. but then two sentences later he says his producer does sometimes select music to fit in with "the thing".
Do you think Boortz picked that song specifically or do you think it was a computer pick?
i don't know. it's possible. but like i said, what i do know is that he said the computer selection was totally random and then admitted it was not. nor is there any evidence that those students lined up and let themselves be executed. that's nonsense.
According to his statement here: Except for every once in a while, Royal will pick something that matches the thing, but in this case, random. To me it's clear that Boortz is stating that it was a computer pick.
And it's probably good he clarified that a few times over the course of his 14 year show he or a staff member has specifically picked the bumper music. Because I'm sure MMFA would have called him on it if they found out but he didn't mention it.
New Thread: Boortz Lies About Bumper Music For Show
Summary: Neil Boortz, right wing propagandist, recently claimed that the bumper music for his program is randomly selected by computer. However, as Media Matters has documented here, here, here, here, here, and here, there were a few instances over the past 14 years where Boortz picked his own bumper music.
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Thanks for helping us in our fight against conservative misinformation.
Give it a rest auto, you almost never provide corroborating evidence.
As I've told you before; if ever you find yourself as plaintiff in court, do not forego the services of an attorney.
"No, he says mmfa probably had steinberg use the information. Which is probably correct." --autopsyche
You are being a bit vague. Are you actually claiming that MMFA was working with Steinberg behind the scenes to write an article with information that MMFA hasn't used in any of their own articles?
Is that indeed what you are getting at?
It sure sounds like that is a very possible event. I mean they sure covered every other day, what would make me think they didn't cover that day and just decided to 'help' someone else roast on the guy for a change. It's a lot like the way they do dr savage, they listen and record each and every show, but only use about 2 minutes worth every other day. You know they listen to and analyze each show, so it's gonna be the same with boortz.
Makes you wonder...if they only find fault with 2 minutes in 6 hours of savages show, then he must be correct the other 5 hours 58 minutes. Because they obviously critique every show.
Lacking any evidence to back up your point, I find it very unlikely that MMFA would do that. It is just completely baseless speculation to believe that.
Secondly, your argument that what Savage says must be true because it hasn't been proven false is the essence of a logical fallacy called Argumentum ad Ignorantium:
The argument from ignorance, also known as argumentum ad ignorantiam ("appeal to ignorance") or argument by lack of imagination, is a logical fallacy in which it is claimed that a premise is true only because it has not been proved false or that a premise is false only because it has not been proved true.
So then your bizarre claim is that something they DIDN'T see fit to print on the site they secretly passed on to some reporter and your evidence this is true is that it somehow makes SENSE to you? Please tell us you are kidding.
Other than it shouldn't be THE headline you mean? The headline is inaccurate in the sense that it does not apply or describe the bulk of the contents of the article.
Tell me in 21 words* or less why you'd give this story that headline.
*the remarks about MMFA took exactly 21 words in the article
This isn't nitpicking, this is pointing out that the story here is not about Boortz calling MMFA Morons.
We should be commenting on Boortz's hateful remarks & the inappropriate playing of the Benatar background music. And Boortz trying to cover his ass.
Not about whether Boortz is calling this site names.
Unless of course that is MMFA's ONLY problem with Boortz, rather than his callous remarks concerning the VT victims.....THIS headline indicates that.
Very telling if it is.
been out of town have we? or just not read the entire story? because they covered his remarks extensively on wednesday. and they are covered here. the point here, and please try to deny it, is that boortz made a false charge about this site. he used their name and called them "morons". mmfa responded and did include the other remarks about the music. if mmfa had made any charge about the music you guys would have been screaming that there was no proof he did it deliberately. can't win situation.
This mmfa's campaign, they run it the way they chose to. I think they look at your criticism a great deal more closely and take it to honest account than anybody who rates an article here does, of their critics. You have input here and I think honestly some respect.
Dam that one sentence grew a long way.
Jeter,
I am not sure I agree with your assessment of the point of the article. I don't blame you. The writing was a bit too subtle and unfocused compared most articles on MMFA. I agree with you that perhaps a better title would help clear things up.
The point is that Boortz read a story in the NYT that mentioned that "hit me with your best shot" was played on his program after Boortz trashed the victims at Va Tech. When Boortz read that story, he wrongly assumed MMFA was behind it and foolishly trashed MMFA by calling them "media morons", but MMFA made no mention of the music in their article on Boortz. Ironically, Boortz would seem to be the only moron here.
P.S. I believe in giving Boortz the benefit of the doubt. I listen to him occasionally here in Atlanta. He seems to be pretty honest, but when he is lazy, he comes across as a pretty big fool as he has here. I do believe him, when he says the music was indeed random.
Once again open_mind you are the calming voice of reason :-)
After reading your post, then re-reading MMFA's article, I think I jumped the gun criticizing Mr. Brock & this site for "self-indulgence"
My only excuse [and to many it may sound weak] was that I was so angry with Boortz that I thought MMFA's headline did not mirror the real story here, and they were too caught up in being referred to as "morons" However after reading your post open_mind I do see where I was wrong.
And if you feel Boortz was being honest about the music being random, I repect your opinion and will accept that until/or unless it is proven otherwise.
Just a personal note here: I've re-read a number of my posts over the past few weeks and I would like to apologize to one & all if there was a belligerent tone to them. In attempting to understand why I have been so P.O'd lately I realized it began with the Imus Controversy. While I believed Imus should have been reprimanded, I thought the media & this site went overboard. Then came the Not Just Imus thread and I felt MMFA was compiling a sort of enemy *Hit List*. While I aplaud MMFA's effort to highlight Conservative MIS-information [though I don't always see eye to eye with their assesment] their obbssession with the Imus story and what I interpreted to be their new mission to silence any & all opposing voices to Liberalism, not just those that slured, smeared or lied... well, it made me rather grumpy. Or maybe that love/hate thing I have for politics is just stuck on hate for the moment.
I will try not to post until I've taken a deep breath, cleared my head of bad thoughts, and read each article at least twice ;-)
You've earned the benifit of the doubt with me Jeter. I didnt care one way or another how the Imus thing played out and was just glad someone was accountable for what they said. I would certainly never take someone else to task for overreacting or letting themselves become a bit overwrought, doing so would make me a hypocrite of Limbaughian proportions. I will give Boortz the benifit of the doubt in compliance with the universal maxim that you shouldnt attribute to venality that which can be adequatly explained by abject stupidity, another poster pointed out this was a variation of Hanlons razor. This seems further corroborated by the EASE with which he could have researced this. One visit to the website and 5 minutes reading the recent Boortz threads could have either confirmed or repudiated this claim and he didnt bother before making it on a nationally syndicated program. He ought to resign with an admission he is far to incompetent and ludicrous to be taken seriously by ANYBODY much less a national audience
Thanks Solon. Your fair-mindedness is appreciated.
One of the things I've always admired about you is your ability to be objective. If someone with an opposing viewpoint makes a legitimate argument, you have never been afraid to say "fair enough", and yield the point.
Many here can't or won't do that. To them it's a competitive game to be won at all costs. Instead of conceding a point, they simply attempt to change the argument. You never do that.
Even when we don't agree on an issue you've always shown me the courtesy/respect to at least consider my opinion. Solon, since you are not one to suffer fools gladly, that means a great deal to me.
As far as Boortz goes, I've never heard his radio program, though I often visit his website. While I've found myself in agreement with him on occasion, this entire episode has seen him making callous remarks certainly equally as offence as an Imus. Though I'm not one to call for the ouster of any talk show hosts, it wouldn't break my heart to see the plug pulled on this guy.
Thank you Jeter, I appreciate that.
jeter i wasn't really going to make any comment on this, but if you're going to complain about others. you and tommy did a tag team on me when all i did was ask the question if there was anything inaccurate about the headline. so i got accused of being one of the "faithful", like i can't have an opinion not directed by mmfa.
Tag teamed?
Try walking a mile in Tommy's shoes, he gets mob teamed. In fact Bruce, AnotherAmerican, Rino, myself, and a handful of other Conservatives often get tag teamed here on a regular basis. It happens, we move on.
I've already apologized for my recent belligerent-toned posts, and admitted that after re-reading the article that I was too quick to jump on MMFA and question their motives.
As far as your opinions go, I can't recall when you didn't agree with or parrot MMFA. If I missed such a post, please enlighten me, as I've already proven, I can admit when I'm wrong. Can you?
No problem, Jeter
Forgiveness is yours, even unto seventy times seven.
I think if everyone did as you plan, and approached the task of displaying our opinions with similar humility, we'd all learn more from each other and be dealing with much less bitterness. You're a good example.
political_left-religious_right,
Thank you for your kind post. It's very much appreciated. You have always been one of the most polite and respectful posters here. You, my friend are the good example :-)
Thanks for the kind words, Jeter. It means a lot to me.
Just so you know, you never have to apologize to me for anything. I'm just glad you keep coming back after some of the shameless and reprehensible abuse that has been put on you at times by some clueless trolls who (much to my embarrassment) apparently believe themselves to be "liberals".
I think you bring up some good points about MMFA. I like it when they correct misinformation or shine a light on some statements they consider ridiculous. I don't want to have any part in shutting down speech MMFA or I necessarily disagree with. I don't want MMFA going down that road.
I like Jeter too. Of course, I'm a deranged troll, and I see Yankee fan-dom as a positive trait. ;0) ;0) ;0) (is that enough winky emoticons, Jeter?)
Beach,
I prefer my ;-) to your ;o) but that might just be me nitpicking. Your winky face is a tad clownish. No offence, of course ;-) [now you gotta admit my winky face is so much classier than yours]
Yankee envy, a common affliction suffered by fans of lesser teams, has been diagnosed as a mental illness, I suggest you hit yourself a couple of times with a bat and call a therapist in the morning ;-)
While we all are aware Beach that you're a deranged troll, you being able to admit it is the first step in your rehabilitation. Hopefully you may one day leave your lair under that bridge and join the rest of us human beings above ground.
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All of the above was written with my tongue firmly planted against my cheek, as Beach is one of the good guys here :-)
Open_mind,
It would take a lot more than a few trolls to chase me away from this site, but I want to thank you, Solon, Worrierking, Lynn, Tommy, Bruce1Ace, and so many others from both the Left & Right that have always come to my defense when I've come under attack by a disgruntled gremlin.
Months ago when I cracked a joke here at the lack of threads by MMFA having to be because someone must have killed all the Conservatives [it was actually due to an impending holiday weekend I think] everyone got a good chuckle--except of course Ellie717 aka SUE, who went ballistic over my comment. So many posters, many of whom were Liberals, tore into Ellie/Sue and wrote so many complimentary posts in my defense that I was overwhelmed by the responses. I've never forgotten that and that's one of the primary reasons I felt compelled to apologize for the series of ill-tempered posts I'd written here in the past few weeks.
The extremists here, from both sides are often so disruptive that they destroy otherwise interesting threads for those of us that come here to debate/discuss issues respectively. And even joke around a bit ;-)
My 2 plus years here have thus far been a great learning experience, there are so many knowledgeable posters here and I've also enjoyed the humor and the cyber-friendships.
I consider you one of the best in all departments :-)
Nothing inaccurate, but I've had the strong impression in the past few months that the people who decide what ends up on the front page of MMFA are getting way too excited about the website getting so much attention from the troglodytes who can't own up to their own words and actions. Every time I see one of these headlines, I find it a bit petty, like a kid doing a victory dance.
There is a story in that he blamed MMFA for something it didn't do, but the bigger story is that he was caught by OTHERS paying attention doing something he shouldn't have - playing a song that has strong overtones of gun violence (as a metaphor, I suppose). Boortz has a sick sense of humor that I often appreciate, but he should have known better than to think he could get away with this. It's very, very encouraging to know that others are calling these guys out on their BS.
"Who gives a rat's ass if Boortz called MMFA-- Media Morons?"
I care because this is what me and Soros pay these morons to do. If Neal would give an example of the disiformation then, okay, rip into MMFA and expose them as liars and disinformers, other wise, he is just another rove wannabe who spews lies, and well, disinformation.
I'm not a bit surprised...
...that Boortz says things like "Because they (MMFA) specialize in disinformation."
In Kneels' (I mean Neal's) world, down is up, up is down, facts are "disinformation" and "facts" pulled from his ass are always close at hand.
Actually, that may be the way Media Morons like Boortz decide to describe MMFA, as "specializing in disinformation". It's 100% true., .Just as a homicide detective specializes in murder.
Good point. It has the added benifit of Boortz actually being right for once.
So we're supposed to believe that that song just happened to play right after he tells a story of the VT students "being lined up to be shot"?
Riiiiight.
If that was the case, why didn't someone recognize what song was played during the commercial, and the context it was played, and say something immediately afterwards?
This dude should really lose his job.
Boortz is innoculating "his" audience against the danger of MMFA, what with MMFA quoting exactly, often with sound clips as well, the nonsense that he spouts. This way, none of his habitues will experience curiosity about buzz from elsewhere on the 'net, and look to see for themselves exactly what MMFA is up to. No sense taking a risk that some of them might then actually question his comments, or his "facts".
Maybe Boortz should have mentioned this bumper music right after a commercial break...a little explanation would have made it go away,
But now, will his tiny explanation sit well with some of those affected by VT...yes and then no. Why can't these guys quit being commedians and try to be information specialists who have the privledge and income to discuss their views for hous on the radio/TV. Maybe if they would discuss issues instead of pontificating they would regain their lost audience...Can't we just all get along.
Next week call his show at 1-877-310-2100,toll free.
Ask Belinda why does Boortz, armed with only a High School Diploma,think he's so smart?
CPL, I just searched the ABA site and, lo and behold, Neal A. Boortz, Jr. is listed as a private practice lawyer in DeKalb County, Ga. Now how does one, pray tell, become a Bar certified private practice lawyer when he's "armed only with a high school diploma"?
In ancient Ireland, the weregild for killing a lawyer was the same as that of a slave. Knowledge cannot always be measured by degree.
20 hours and no lawyer jokes there? Come on !
To which I must say, "Big deal!" After all, Ann Coulter has a legitimate Juris Doctor degree from a legitimate university (University of Michigan, where I am on staff), and she regularly makes statements even more moronic than does Boortz. Savage has a PhD and, if anything, outranks even Coulter in that regard. Higher education is no guarantee of not making a complete fool of oneself in public.
To get back to this petty shot by Boortz, I think it would be fun to actually put together a list of the ten dumbest statements ever posted by MMFA, along with the ten most brilliant things ever said by Boortz, and compare them. I have a hard time seeing Boortz winning such a contest.
So, you libs tactic to demonize someone that you don't like is to...
First, tell an outright lie about them:
"Armed with only a high school diploma"
Then, someone calls you out on your lie:
"Boortz is a Bar certified private practice lawyer in DeKalb County, Ga."
Then, knowing that you've been factually b&*chslapped, you crawl back into your hole and one of your clones comes to your rescue to continue the blueprinted process by discrediting the actual TRUTH (thus attempting to give some measure of credit to the original lie):
"Higher education is no guarantee of not making a complete fool of oneself in public."
So, now comes the next step......but I'm not gonna give it away. I'm going to sit back for a few minutes and let one of you myrmidons prove how incredibly brilliant and perceptive I am. (P.A.M.)
one person made a comment that he had only a high school diploma. that hardly justifies making a blanket statement about "you libs". pretty shallow thinking on your part.
Mefirst,
You are going to have to forgive this guy. You see some conservatives apparently aren't right very often, so they have to get as much mileage out of the times they are correct as possible. Therefore, they need to use every opportunity to smear all liberals. Surprisingly this tactic is very effective amongst Kool-Aide drinkers.
Secondly, how can you fault a guy who uses words like "myrmidons"? All those brains and he apparently couldn't be bothered into providing links to back up his statements.
Here is a link to the ABA directory listing proving that Boortz is indeed a member:
http://www.martindale.com/xp/Martindale/Lawyer_Locator/Search_Lawyer_Locator/search_detail.xml?STS=&CN=&LSCH=&CTY=&PRV=ABA&FNAME=neal&STYPE=N&LNAME=boortz&PG=1&MTY=1&CRY=1&FN=&bc=6464&a=3870A7DF114878&l=&type=2&pos=1&cnt=1
Here is a link to the State Bar of Georgia showing Boortz's membership:
http://www.gabar.org/directories/member_directory_search/member_detail/?id=MDY3ODg4
I do find it interesting that apparently, Boortz was accepted to law school without a Bachelor's degree. Don't think anyone could get away with that today.
What can you say about someone that mindlessly parrots the rightwing propaganda, then claims liberals to be mindless followers. Projection alert I guess would be most apropos
We have no idea what these people's 'credentials' are, but I do know one thing....compared to Boortz, Bush, Clinton, or any of them, I'm a freakin' god. I could out think, out debate, and out write all three of them at once. And I only have a high school diploma. I just have the magic of the books. Where they read dull outlined laws and ignored the consequences, I've read their previous effects in the histories, worked the effects out on the sims. The University of Life comes with an excellent library. I'll be adding my contribution to it very soon.
Would Boortz be writing a military history of his State in a colonial war or a hack book full of celebrity name dropping? What will Bush leave behind? A few peices of art or a wrecked state? Has Clinton ever considered the real keys to successful government, such as a constant surplus budget and excellent infrastructure, after working them out in the sims, or does she float with the political wind, lost in a current of fashionable cliches and heartless social functions, long winded-speeches, just there to be seen. They are morons. They are not creative people.
It is true, higher FORMAL education does not guarantee intelligence at all. Many never pick up a book, much less a worthwhile one, after college. Many a degree goes wasted when learning ends with school.
NOW who's guilty of "disinformation"?
Neal, you're melting! You're melting!
They're all melting... they're being exposed to the warming sunlight of truth. The right wing liars like Boortz see their days are numbered and they blame MMFA for being the sun.
A gunman enters a meeting at NASA brandishing a gun and orders everyone out before killing his intended victim. Will Boortz now say these engineers in Texas were all cowardly like he spoke of the VTech students?
Does Boortz carry a gun? Does his producer have a loaded shotgun by his desk? Shouldn't everyone where Boortz work be packing heat? Shouldn't everyone at NASA? If not why not, since according to Boortz we are all responsible for protecting ourselves against mentally deranged killers with multiple semi-automatic weapons.
As to the headline, it is accurate and it is important to point out. If I call Boortz a diseased puss ridden moron, that's just me, some joe on some site expressing more anger than opinion. Boortz is a media figure from a specific media outlet calling another media outlet morons. Thats news. Media figures and outlets are getting pissed at MMFA. Thats important. Me calling Boortz a moron is not news. I think calling the headline self-undulgent is off the mark by about 35 miles.
J4SONL33,
Breifly,after Boortz flunked out of Texas A&M,he drifted from job to to another job ,while cleaning up rooms in a flea bag, in a "No Tell, Motel" he found a matchbook, on the back was a advertisment to become at attorney,at night school! The rest is a Horatio Alger Story,tugs at your heartstrings,Boortz pulling himself up by his bootstraps!
This school didn't require a College degree at that time 1974,and also wasn't recognized by the ABA. So off Boortz went, 4-5 nights a week for four years.He brags, saying he graduated "in the top half of the class",sure a class of probably 3 students, After Night School was over, he practiced Real Estate Law,mainly the Attorney of Record at Closings,kinda like what Alberto Gonzales would be doing,if he wasn't the AG !
By the way, the Diploma Mill Night Law School,recently was awarded a Provinsional Accreditation by the ABA.Until then,Boortz could only practice in the State of Ga. The school had been around since 1933,producing the likes of Boortz, for all those years!
Go to johnsugg.com Archieves Section, for the months of Sept-Oct' 05 and March-May '06,scrowl down thru each of the months stories, for the complete unabridged, unvarnished truth about Boortz,"The Draft Dodger and One Time Night Time Law Student"!
Or Goggle: Boortz,John Sugg,Chickenhawk,lawyer
So, what you're saying is that Neal Boortz really DOES have a law degree.
You lied........thank you for admitting it.
"CPL, I just searched the ABA site and, lo and behold, Neal A. Boortz, Jr. is listed as a private practice lawyer in DeKalb County, Ga. Now how does one, pray tell, become a Bar certified private practice lawyer when he's "armed only with a high school diploma"?"
He explained how, junior. Also, he never claimed he wasn't a lawyer, just that he only had a high school diploma. Now don't stay up too late cramming for your troll finals, son. (Though it appears you do have alot to learn!)
Chimpevil wrote:
"Also, he never claimed he wasn't a lawyer, just that he only had a high school diploma."
And I'M the one that has alot to learn? Look here, sonny boy, you've got to warn me before you post something that ridiculous. I was taking a drink of water when I read it and ended up spewing it all over a client's case file. But thanks, I haven't laughed that hard in a while.
I'm starting to wonder how many other lawyers are running around with "only a high school diploma". Hold on a minute. Nope, mine definitely says Doctor of Jurisprudence. And to think I could have started doing this 7 years earlier than I actually did. Boy, don't I feel like a fool.
Night school lawyer. There's a country song there somewhere.
As a producer for various radio programs I can back up what Boortz says 100%. I basically serve the same role as marshall does on Boortz show. The bumps are randomly rotated and"hit me with your best shot" was played purely unintentionally.
Did you ever Rock?
Music is the enemy of talk radio. They can't rock, only sqwawk. Just big caged parrots for the government line. Music keeps the parrots away. Hurts ratings, ya know....
Nope, always done talk.
What I should have said is do you think "Savagerocks"?
You seem familiar.
Mr. Shaw thank you. In such instances convienient timing has often been found to be the result deliberate intent. There's a certain automatic suspicion of such things in this comunity. Thank you for your time and effort, do come again.
Thats fine. I notice MMFA never claimed otherwise. What it doesnt explain is why Booooore blamed MMFA for making this claim on his show when it would take less than 5 minutes of research to see they DIDNT.
And I worked in the finding of WMD's business..and I can say 100% that Pres. Cheney lied to this country.
I'll bet you don't believe me....DITTO
They've already admitted that they can (and do) stick in specially chosen songs to override the rotation, and as a broadcast systems person yourself, you know very well that it's possible.
Boortz can wait until someone on his staff or in his building cracks and then he can find out what he does when facing a gunman.
He would probably wet himself.
Of all the responses to this tragedy, I hadn't considered blaming the victims for being shot.
all i can say about boortz is ha ha ha ha ha
he was on the donahue show years ago and when asked hard questions on his views instead o answering the questions he got made . did not awnt a debate . these guys just want to hide behind the mics
I guess gettting into the Mob can keep one from having to answer questions.
But it's OK for Randi Rhodes to call for the president to be shot, right?
You guys kill me because you are so two-faced and you can't even see it. Or maybe you see it but don't care.
she never did that.
Sure sounded like it to me. Why did she apologize if she did nothing wrong?
Strawman and incredibly weak one at that the claim was she didnt call for the President to be shot.
http://www.cynicalnation.com/randi1.mp3
What does this sound like to you? She was investigated by the Secret Service. I don't recall anyone calling for BJ Clinton to be "Fredo'd."
you said randi rhodes "called for the president to be shot". provide the quote. no dancing, provide the exact quote.
I posted an .mp3 above. Here it is, AGAIN:
http://www.cynicalnation.com/randi1.mp3
i don't care what you posted. provide the quote. as they say. put up or shut up.
Here's TWO:
The announcer said: "A spoiled child is telling us our Social Security isn't safe anymore, so he is going to fix it for us. Well, here's your answer, you ungrateful whelp: [audio sound of four gunshots being fired.] Just try it, you little bastard. [audio of gun being cocked]."
"Let's not do that while I'm here in Florida," Rhodes, who broadcasts from West Palm Beach, Fla., said laughingly following the item. "Let's not arm the old people until I leave. What is with all the killing?"
But a government source told Drudge, "Even joking about shooting the president is a crime, let alone doing it on national radio ... we are taking this very seriously."
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=44005
"The Fredo of the family is the president of the United States, so why doesn't his father or his brother � take him out for a little fishing, and let him say some Hail Marys – he loves God so much. � You know, Hail Mary, full of grace, God is with thee – pow [gunshot sound] – works for me."
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=44025
Better, or do you need more?
Well..........? Give up?
WELL??????????????????????
Looks like I won.
Ahem...This thread is about Boortz - not Randi Rhodes. The difference I can see is that Rhodes has apologized and Boortz hasn't - as is his hard-headed style.
This "investigation" as you call it does not appear to have lasted long enough to even warrant questioning Rhodes directly as no one has shown where the Secret Service even bothered to interview her regarding the matter.
Besides, we all know that "investigation" does not necessarily mean guilt as it appears you would like us to believe.
You are acting like a silly troll trying to change the subject. I thought it was pretty funny for you to think you are automatically correct if you get in the last word. I thought people gave up on that kind of specious "logic" in kindergarten. Looks like you have proved me wrong on that one.
you don't mind if i do other things beside sit and wait for you to reply? i knew about both those things. the first was a skit put together by her staff in new york and aired while she was in florida. it's the sound of someone firing buckshot to scare bush off. she later said that she did not hear it before it was played and would not have played it. the second is what i believe they call "comedy", based on the godfather. you can compare that with ann coulter who said the only thing to discuss about clinton was whether to impeach him or assassinate him.
Well we are even. YOU guys slay me the way you LIE so much
J4sonl33,@ 12:59 Sunday
Could you clarify "You lied",to me ! I have never claimed that Boortz did not have a Law Degree!He got his schooling in a Diploma Mill at night,and when he passed the Ga Bar Exam,he was limited to practicing in Georgia!
Please expound!
CPL FRANK wrote:
"Ask Belinda why does Boortz, armed with only a High School Diploma,think he's so smart?"
"Armed with ONLY a High School Diploma."
Now, sure, I would agree that he's armed with a high school diploma, but not ONLY a high school diploma.
As to your statement of him being limited to practice in the state of GEORGIA after passing the GEORGIA Bar Exam.......DUH!!!
I'm limited to MISSOURI because I'VE ONLY TAKEN THE MISSOURI BAR EXAM!!! Capiche?? It's no different for anyone else!!
I was listening to Boortz when the news of VT first broke. His initial reaction was to start cracking jokes, asking 'where is Marcus Vick?' Ha, ha, really funny. Hear about a shooting, make a joke about it. Talk about low class.
J4SONL33,
Go back and read my post again,The Diploma Mill Boortz attended wasn't accredited by the ABA until 2004, and then only with a a Provisional Accreditation. He passed he Ga. Bar, but was still limited to practicing ONLY in Georgia,because the school he attended DID NOT meet the "MINIMUM REQUIREMENTS" for the ABA!
In other words, his hayseed diploma WOULDN'T allow him to practice anywhere else! In your case, who knows why you can only practice in Missouri,maybe it's laziness,not bright enough,or just perfectly happy defending wifebeaters,and multiple DUI! How about giving me your name in case I'm ever in Missouri, and need an Attorney. I wouldn't want to hire you ,you're not bright enough! I'd take my chances defending myself first!
In Boortzs' case ,the school he attended, keeps him from practicing elsewhere,until full accreditation by the ABA is given to the school,DUH!
One more thing J4SONL33,
Fresh from John Marshall's Web Site: "John Marshall Law School-Atlanta INTENDS to apply for FULL APPROVAL at the eariest possible time." So as of right now graduates can only practice Law in Georgia!
Cpl,
By passing the bar one is licensed to practice law in that state. It actually has nothing to do with how good or bad the school he or she attended is.
I did a search of "practicing in another state" on ABAnet.org. Without a membership you can't read the entire article, however if you read the summaries in the serach results you will find that:
"Lawyers licensed in one state but practicing in another state are exposed to disciplinary actions in both states."
The link:
http://search.abanet.org/search?sort=date%3AD%3AL%3Ad1&access=a&output=xml_no_dtd&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&client=default_frontend&proxystylesheet=default_frontend&q=practicing+in+another+state&site=website
I am not arguing whether or not Boortz is a "Night School Lawyer," obviously he is but that's not why he can't practice law in another state (other than GA). In point of fact, he is not even an active member of the bar but an "inactive member in good standing."
IMO if someone can pass the bar in any state it doesn't matter much what school they went to or where (or if) they got their undergraduate degree - if you pass the bar you are a lawyer. (right or wrong)
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What I mean to say is that the school he attended does not preclude him from practicing law in another state - he would just have to obtain a license in that state. Some states require that you take the bar in that state others will recognize the lawyer's home state's bar examination.
The quote that I cut and pasted probably doesn't go exactly to your point, Cpl. sorry.
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