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Citing Bush's dismal approval ratings, Pinkerton claimed he is "hanging in there" and not in "such bad shape"

April 24, 2007 1:28 pm ET

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In his April 17 column, Newsday columnist James P. Pinkerton asked: "If [President] Bush is falling apart so dramatically that he is in danger of simply vanishing, how come he's hanging in there in the polls?" Pinkerton noted that "Bush's average approval rating" in April 2007 is 34.6 percent and was 35.6 percent in April 2006. He then added: "Neither number is impressive, but what's clear is that Bush is hanging in there, approval-wise." But in characterizing Bush as "hanging in there," Pinkerton -- exhibiting a tendency on the part of many in the media, repeatedly documented by Media Matters for America, of presenting Bush's low poll numbers in as positive a light as possible -- ignored Bush's polling status relative to that of other recent presidents.

Further, Pinkerton claimed that Bush's approval ratings look better when viewed relative to "the Democrats who now control Congress." Pinkerton wrote: "The president doesn't look so good. But if the Congress doesn't look so good either -- then the president isn't in such bad shape." However, the two Democratic leaders he cited in the column -- House Speaker Nancy Pelosi (CA) and Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid (NV) -- both have significantly higher approval ratings than Bush.

From Pinkerton's April 17 Newsday column:

The pundits seem to agree: George W. Bush is toast, kaput. So how come the president's holding steady, even rising, in the polls? And what does that mean for 2008?

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So here's a question: If Bush is falling apart so dramatically that he is in danger of simply vanishing, how come he's hanging in there in the polls?

But don't take my word for it. According to pollingreport.com, a nonpartisan compendium of polls, Bush's average approval rating for April 2007 is 34.6. And what was his approval exactly a year ago, for all of April 2006? It was 35.6. Neither number is impressive, but what's clear is that Bush is hanging in there, approval-wise -- no "epic collapse."

Pinkerton acknowledged that Bush's average approval ratings have declined by a point in the last year, while taking the position that the drop is insignificant -- an indication that Bush is "hanging in there, approval-wise." But he offered no evidence to support his claim in the first paragraph that Bush is "even rising[] in the polls." Nonetheless, Pinkerton's column appeared in Newsday under the headline "Dems boost Bush's sagging approval ratings." The column was also published in the San Francisco Chronicle and headlined "Democrats lift Bush's approval ratings."

Moreover, absent from Pinkerton's column was any discussion of Bush's approval ratings in a historical context. On April 17, Gallup News Service released its most recent quarterly average approval rating for Bush: 35 percent between January 20 and April 19. Gallup further noted:

George W. Bush's presidency reaches a milestone of sorts on Thursday as he completes his 25th quarter in office. But his 25th quarter is not one on which he will look back fondly, given that he averaged only a 35% job approval rating, the lowest quarterly average of his presidency to date. His previous low was the 36% he averaged in the quarter spanning April-July 2006.

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Gallup has computed quarterly averages for 246 presidential quarters since 1945. Bush's most recent quarter ranks near the bottom, placing 228 out of 246, putting it in the 7th percentile.

Only four other presidents besides Bush have served 25 quarters or more since Gallup began tracking approval ratings in 1945. Not surprisingly, Bush's 25th quarter average does not compare favorably to the other presidents' at the similar points in their presidencies.

Similarly, an April 8 USA Today article noted:

Since the advent of modern polling, only two presidents have suffered longer strings of such low ratings. One was Harry Truman, whose popularity sank during the final 26 months of his tenure as the Korean War stalemated. The other was Richard Nixon during the 13 months leading up to his resignation amid the Watergate scandal.

Pinkerton went on to argue that the reason Bush is purportedly "hanging in there" is because "he is being compared and contrasted" to the Democratic-led Congress, who he claimed "doesn't look so good either":

So what gives? The answer would seem to be that Bush is not being evaluated in isolation: Instead, in the public mind, he is being compared and contrasted to the rest of Washington, D.C. - specifically, the Democrats who now control Congress.

One might ask: Has House Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.) acquitted herself well in her nearly four months in office? Democratic partisans will, of course, loyally defend her recent trip to Damascus, Syria, but Republican partisans, demoralized for so long, now have a tempting Democratic target.

Meanwhile, Americans in the middle, influenced by centrist voices such as The Washington Post's editorial page, probably think there's something a little inappropriate in Pelosi's crowding onto the foreign-policy turf of the executive branch.

And how about Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid (D-Nev.), who has worked so hard to impose a timetable on American involvement in Iraq?

Reid wanted to use congressional budget authority to oppose Bush's war plans, but instead he has gotten himself crosswise with the Pentagon service chiefs, all four of whom joined on April 9 to write a "16-star" letter to Congress, warning, "Further delay in congressional approval of money to pay for the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan . . . will have a profoundly negative impact on current combat operations."

In wartime politics, it's risky to go against the wisdom of the warriors. And yet, that's exactly what the Democrats are doing. That is, many Americans who oppose the Iraq war are nonetheless inclined to see something squirrelly about congressional attempts to "micromanage" the fighting.

So here's the bottom line: In politics, popularity is relative. The parties are judged not by themselves, but in relation to each other. The president doesn't look so good. But if the Congress doesn't look so good either - then the president isn't in such bad shape.

In fact, recent polling shows that significantly more Americans approve of the performance of Reid and Pelosi than that of Bush. Indeed, an April 12-15 Washington Post-ABC News poll found that 46 percent of respondents approved of Reid's job performance, 53 percent approved of Pelosi's job performance, and more generally, 54 percent approved of "the way the Democrats in Congress are doing their job." The same poll found that 35 percent approved of Bush's performance.

Media Matters has repeatedly noted a tendency in the media to tout a purported silver lining to Bush's low polling or to ignore bad polling numbers. For example:

  • In an April 10 Washington Post article, staff writer Chris Cillizza wrote that an "interesting" aspect of a Fox News/Opinion Dynamics poll of likely Republican presidential primary voters in South Carolina was "the sky-high approval ratings registered by President Bush:" 70 percent. But recent nationwide polling of self-identified Republicans regarding Bush's job performance had yielded similar results, a significant decline in support for Bush among Republicans since his 2004 re-election.
  • In a November 11, 2006, Newsweek online article, a caption to a picture accompanying the article compared Pelosi's favorability ratings with Bush's approval ratings, to suggest that the two were similarly unpopular. The caption asked, "Can They Work Together?" and noted that "Pelosi has 34 percent approval [favorability] ratings, slightly better than Bush's 31 percent [approval]." But the article left out the fact that, according to the then-most recent Newsweek poll, Bush's job disapproval ratings were more than three times Pelosi's "unfavorable" ratings.
  • On September 19, 2006, USA Today/Gallup released a poll that found 44 percent of respondents said they approve of the way Bush "is handling his job as president"; the results represented a 5-percentage-point increase in Bush's approval rating from the previous USA Today/Gallup poll. Throughout that day, many television news outlets -- such as CNN, Fox News, MSNBC, and NBC -- touted the poll as a success for Bush, describing Bush's "bounce" in the poll as "good news," asserting that his rating is "the highest it's been in a year," claiming the poll is "bolstering GOP spirits and rattling Democrats" while illustrating that Bush is "gaining in popularity" with the American public, and stating that the poll demonstrates how Bush "has rebounded." But four days before the release of the USA Today/Gallup poll, all four news organizations completely ignored a Pew Research Center poll showing Bush's approval rating at 37 percent, unchanged from Pew's previous poll and the lowest of all polls conducted within the previous month.
  • In August 2006, NBC's Today and The New York Times reported the assertion, made by numerous Republican officials, that the arrests in the United Kingdom of several suspected terrorists reportedly on the verge of executing an attack on U.S.-bound international flights would play to the Republicans' advantage in the midterm elections because the issue of terrorism is a weakness for Democrats. But missing entirely from their reports was any reference to polling that showed an erasure in the advantage Bush and congressional Republicans once held on the issue.
  • During the "All-Star Panel" segment on the July 4, 2006, edition of Fox News' Special Report with Brit Hume, Washington Post staff writer Jeffrey Birnbaum baselessly asserted: "I don't think there's any question ... but if you compare Americans' view of the war in Iraq and the war against terrorism this Fourth of July compared to last Fourth of July, the president and his policies are in a much better position." Contemporaneous polling did not support Birnbaum's assertion.
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    • Author by draftedin68 (April 24, 2007 1:34 pm ET)
         

      Newest Duhhbya Dogma:

      "The glass is one-third full!"

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      • Author by dexteritas0071418 (April 24, 2007 1:35 pm ET)
           

        You posted first and stole my joke, all in the process of me typing. Curses.

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      • Author by wolf kotenberg (April 24, 2007 2:45 pm ET)
           

        In engineering school, we got deducted points for designing the glass 2/3 too big.

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    • Author by dexteritas0071418 (April 24, 2007 1:35 pm ET)
         

      Hilarious. This really is a good post from MMfA...clear conservative misinformation. Hanging in there? LOL. If by "no epic collapse" he means "except for the one that happened a year ago and then again in Nov.", I understand what he says.

       Sorry, but even optimists stop at "the glass is HALF full"; I've never heard "the glass is 35%" full, yay".

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      • Author by bruce1ace (April 24, 2007 1:50 pm ET)
           

        The "epic collapse" language was a reference to this article in Time Magazine: http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,1607243,00.html written written by the lefts favorite punching bag liberal Joe Klein.  Of course, in this case Klein shreds the Bush administration so it will be all candy and flowers for Klein for this article.

        Pinkerton challenges the "epic collapse" claim because the numbers haven't significantly changed in a year.  Pinkertons flawed logic is that 30% is about as low as you can go.  That's the bottom of the barrel in American Politics.  So to say Bush is treading water is a pretty weak argument IMO.

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        • Author by bittermarv (April 24, 2007 5:43 pm ET)
             

          Cheney has demonstrated that one can get lower than 30% in approval polls.  At this point, his own mother probably doesn't think much of him.

          I'm wondering what "hanging in there" even means.  What options does Bush have other than to show up every day?  He'd be an idiot to resign over poll numbers, and he's (or his staff) is too stubborn to do anything that might acknowledge mistakes anyway.  And given that, changing his staff around or adjusting his positions, policies, or direction isn't an option either.

          "Hanging in there" could just have easily been "hanging around for two more years." 

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        • Author by mefirst (April 24, 2007 7:50 pm ET)
             

          sure, i'll give klein some candy and flowers for saying what many of us have been saying for six years.  and then i'll ask him what took so long.

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    • Author by juliajayne (April 24, 2007 1:35 pm ET)
         

      This RNC talking point seems particularly hollow. I guess they don't have anything better.

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      • Author by atheist (April 24, 2007 4:57 pm ET)
           

        I wonder hoe low his approval rating has to go before they finally declare him a failure.  20% ?  10% ?

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    • Author by juliajayne (April 24, 2007 1:36 pm ET)
         

      That percentage is the backwash Stephen Colbert talked about at the corresponant's dinner.

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    • Author by tommy (April 24, 2007 1:40 pm ET)
         

      Pinkerton is an admitted rightward leaning pundit who is spinning his partisan view of Bush's poll numbers in their most optimistic light.....this is nothing more than an opinion piece and should be judged on that basis, alone.

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      • Author by juliajayne (April 24, 2007 1:45 pm ET)
           

        Yes, his opinion is valid in fairy tale land. Or was that in the shrinks office you were talking about?

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      • Author by conleytgwinn (April 24, 2007 1:46 pm ET)
           

        Even for an opinion pieces, this takes a real stretch, to figure that almost 35% is "hanging in there". Of course, that is the reasoning by which the Repugnants hope to generate a real "rebound", dropping "only" one more percentage point per quarter until 2008.

        I just hope we can exterminate the opportunities for another theft of that election, similar to the theft apparently perpetrated in Ohio, 2004 - or at least, the Repugnants who perpetrated that prior crime, as likely conspirators for the crime planned.

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      • Author by draftedin68 (April 24, 2007 1:47 pm ET)
           

        One more time, Tommy...

        If you click on ABOUT US in the menu bar above, the end of the first sentence explains (again!) MMFA's mission: "...dedicated to comprehensively monitoring, analyzing, and correcting conservative misinformation in the U.S. media."

        Got that?

         

         

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        • Author by tommy (April 24, 2007 1:53 pm ET)
             

          Thank you.  Then please explain to me how an opinion piece that is commenting on one's poll numbers, that are not put forth incorrectly but clearly accurate in their percentages, is "misinformation"?  

           

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          • Author by juliajayne (April 24, 2007 1:55 pm ET)
               

            We can't put dots that close together. For you anyway.

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            • Author by tommy (April 24, 2007 1:58 pm ET)
                 

              You answered the question, it is not misinformation, it is opinion.

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              • Author by valentinian (April 24, 2007 2:12 pm ET)
                   

                If opinion is not misinformation, then there is no such thing as misinformation, and this site can close.

                See you at Kos, I guess... 

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                • Author by tommy (April 24, 2007 2:19 pm ET)
                     

                  Val,

                  Everybody has differing opinions on issues depending on their points of view - it is not misinformation to have an opinion that is different from yours, I am sorry to tell you.

                  Misinformation is relaying incorrect facts, not giving one's opinion.

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                  • Author by valentinian (April 24, 2007 2:22 pm ET)
                       

                    From the much-maligned "About us" definition of misinformation:

                    news or commentary that is not accurate, reliable, or credible and that forwards the conservative agenda

                    Emphasis mine. He got the facts right and but the commentary is in-credible. 

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                    • Author by tommy (April 24, 2007 2:25 pm ET)
                         

                      So, if I tell you that, in my opinion, abortion is immoral and should not be legal - you are saying that I am spreading misinformation, rather than giving you my opinion?

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                      • Author by valentinian (April 24, 2007 2:28 pm ET)
                           

                        Tommy, he's spinning the facts. If this site can't point out spin, then there really is no point for MMfA and you'll have to go complain about what Salon puts on its site.

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                        • Author by tommy (April 24, 2007 2:33 pm ET)
                             

                          Val, You didn't answer my question, that's OK.

                          He isn't spinning the facts at all, he very clearly put them out there for everyone to read.  What he is doing is interpreting their meaning differently than you or I would.   That is strictly his opinion, nothing more.

                          We disagree.

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                          • Author by solon (April 24, 2007 3:03 pm ET)
                               

                            That ludicrous. He put them out there then spin them like a manic 110 dryer on 220. There is no way in the WORLD that isnt spin. It was shameless spin.

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                          • Author by solon (April 24, 2007 3:03 pm ET)
                               

                            That ludicrous. He put them out there then spun them like a manic 110 dryer on 220. There is no way in the WORLD that isnt spin. It was shameless spin.

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                          • Author by desertjim (April 24, 2007 4:04 pm ET)
                               

                            But he doesn't give the fact that Pelosi has a 53% approval rating. He implies strongly that she is somehow doing as badly as "W". That is not just "opinion" that is purposefully misleading. MMFA is correct in calling him out on it.

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                      • Author by Brabantio (April 24, 2007 2:38 pm ET)
                           

                        As Bruce points out, 30% is pretty much rock-bottom, the "base" of Republicans.  This is basic understanding of demographics for reading these polls.  It's hard to believe that Pinkerton is that naive, so it has to be disingenuous to claim that 35% is "hanging in".  It's not completely objective, but by any reasonable analysis it's not honest work by Pinkerton.

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              • Author by sasami (April 24, 2007 5:45 pm ET)
                   

                Why do you care so much?

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              • Author by tex (April 24, 2007 6:53 pm ET)
                   

                TOMMY:

                It is "opinion" which is demonstrably and historically WRONG, thus it is MISINFORMATION, delivered with the intent to FOOL THE PUBLIC into thinking Bush's numbers are "not too bad".

                Bush's numbers are TERRIBLE, and if the paper shredders ever break down in the White House, they will get much much worse. The only thing saving Bush at this point is his own incompetence and the incompetence of his minions like AG Gonzales who "can't recall" ever doing HIS JOB. 

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          • Author by draftedin68 (April 24, 2007 1:59 pm ET)
               

            JFC!

            What is it about "correcting conservative misinformation in the U.S. media" that you don't comprehend?

            Pinkerton is a part of the media, Pinkerton is a conservative and Pinkerton's piece pumps out misinformation.

            Clear enough for you?

             

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            • Author by tommy (April 24, 2007 2:05 pm ET)
                 

              Let me clear it up for you;

              Misinformation would be if Pinkerton falsely claimed that Bush's poll numbers were 40 or 50% - or higher than Clintons, or higher this month than last years, or some such other falsehood.

              Opinion, not misinformation, is what Pinkerton is doing by commenting and giving his opinion, slanted and biased obviously, on how he personally sees Bush's numbers. 

               

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              • Author by bruce1ace (April 24, 2007 2:12 pm ET)
                   

                MMFA has changed their mission statement.  They now post anything they don't agree with.  They also specialize in statements that will generate "Worst Person" awards for Olberman or generate hits/ratings for this site or Olbermans program.....And BTW, they are not in any way funded DIRECTLY by George Soros.

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                • Author by tommy (April 24, 2007 2:21 pm ET)
                     

                  Exactly Bruce, I disagree with Pinkerton's opinion here, as would most reasonable people, I suppose.  But he is stricly opining, not spreading any falsehoods or misleading facts.

                   

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                  • Author by juliajayne (April 24, 2007 2:45 pm ET)
                       

                    The guy isn't opining so much as using RNC talking points in a weak column designed to fool only those who are really naive I guess.

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                • Author by Easy to refute wingnuts (April 24, 2007 4:14 pm ET)
                     

                  "MMFA has changed their mission statement."

                  -----

                  Please point out this change by linking to it on their web site. If nothing has changed, we will know you are just spouting more conservative misinformation. 

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                  • Author by bruce1ace (April 24, 2007 4:26 pm ET)
                       

                    In your defense, my post was indeed one that was "easy to refute". 

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              • Author by mr. l (April 24, 2007 2:13 pm ET)
                   

                OK, Tommy... then I opionate that if only ONE PERSON out of 375 MILLION says Bush is doing all right, then he is 'hanging in there'.... no misinformation- it's my opnion...

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          • Author by solon (April 24, 2007 3:01 pm ET)
               

            How is claiming that poll numbers which by any reasonable standard are DISMAL constitutes hanging in there not outright bias and distortion? He is desperatly in a biased way carrying Bush water and trying to convince people that DISMAL is actually not too bad.

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            • Author by tommy (April 24, 2007 3:25 pm ET)
                 

              His piece is subjective opinion, you disagree with it, I disagree with it......that's it.  Call is whatever you'd like, spin, crap, b/s, stupid, whatever, but it is still opinion.   Unless you can show me a verifiable fact that he is guilty of misleading in his piece,  then it may be misinformation - if not, strictly opinion, misguided, but opinion nonetheless.

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              • Author by Easy to refute wingnuts (April 24, 2007 4:15 pm ET)
                   

                "Spin" is misinformation.

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                • Author by Brabantio (April 24, 2007 4:34 pm ET)
                     

                  And so is "b/s", I would imagine.

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                • Author by Lynn (April 24, 2007 6:14 pm ET)
                     

                  Tommy's wrong, this is valid example of an often used mode of dissemination of right wing disinformation, to be precise what Pinkerton is doing “spin control"  In other words it's right wing propaganda. Furthermore, what reasonably intellegent person would consider a 30% approval rating not bad?  SPIN CONTROL: the act or practice of attempting to manipulate the way an event is interpreted by others. Per http://www.webster.com/dictionary/spin%20control 

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      • Author by Dem02020 (April 24, 2007 1:56 pm ET)
           

        hey c'mon guys, lets have billions of comments to follow (and fawk up) the comment threads, once this hack (and others, like the 'dexter' [meaning 'right'] commenter above)...

        ...let's have billions and gazillions of comments, in response to these hacks.

         

        It makes for good and sensible discourse.

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        • Author by tommy (April 24, 2007 2:00 pm ET)
             

          If opposing opinions threaten you so, perhaps you should voice your concerns to the moderators to have the "hacks" banned.  Then you can relax and enjoy the "discourse".

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          • Author by Easy to refute wingnuts (April 24, 2007 4:17 pm ET)
               

            "If opposing opinions threaten you so, perhaps you should voice your concerns to the moderators to have the '"hacks' banned."

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            And if what MMfA chooses to put on their own website bothers you so much, perhaps you should start your own site that only puts up what you want to see. 

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        • Author by dexteritas0071418 (April 24, 2007 2:13 pm ET)
             

          Dem, does it get weird when your insults are flat wrong?

          "Dexterity" ring a bell?

          It's the latin root for hand. Go back to school.

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          • Author by valentinian (April 24, 2007 2:19 pm ET)
               

            It's the root for "right."

            Best to check your facts before trying snark.

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            • Author by nerzog (April 24, 2007 2:22 pm ET)
                 

              Hey, I learned something today.

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              • Author by valentinian (April 24, 2007 2:25 pm ET)
                   

                Three freaking years of high-school Latin and all I can do is be a smart-ass blog commenter...

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                • Author by bruce1ace (April 24, 2007 2:31 pm ET)
                     

                  Your high school offered latin?  I'm guessing not a public school then but I could be wrong.  I don't recall being afforded that choice (not that I care I wouldn't have taken it anyways).

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                  • Author by valentinian (April 24, 2007 2:53 pm ET)
                       

                    Yes indeed, public school... but my Mom went to Catholic school and wanted me to have the torture - sorry, I meant the advantages - she had. 

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                • Author by dexteritas0071418 (April 24, 2007 2:38 pm ET)
                     

                  I will give you that by itself it means right hand. The word means "good with the hands". Dem took it out of context. I'm going to go whine to Bill OReilly.

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                  • Author by HuntingtonBeachLefty (April 25, 2007 1:43 am ET)
                       

                    The word means "good with the hands". dexteritas0071418

                    Or "I need a girlfriend".

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          • Author by Dem02020 (April 24, 2007 2:29 pm ET)
               

            Are you really that stupid?

            You claim to read 'dexterity', where the permanence of print has me saying DEXTER.

            Anybody who can read can testify to your stupidity...

            DEXTER (in Latin or in English!) means 'relating to or situated on the right'.

             

            Guess what? You are typical of your self...

            Get it?

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            • Author by dexteritas0071418 (April 24, 2007 2:41 pm ET)
                 

              Are you really that stupid to go after me when you printed "dexter" when the name is "dexteritas"?

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            • Author by Dem02020 (April 24, 2007 2:42 pm ET)
                 

              I'm sorry

              I often neglect to mention the 'poster names' of the death-loving U.S. Treasury-looting Bush boot-licking bastids I'm addressing...

              I'm sorry, it's TOMMY and DEXTERwhatthefawkever's comments I am responding to.

              They are the Bush boot-lickers I mean to address.

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              • Author by dexteritas0071418 (April 24, 2007 2:49 pm ET)
                   

                Get over it man. You post was nonsense in the first place...I have the 3rd post on the thread, making fun of the article that MMfA cited because Pinkerton is obviously full of it, and you call me a boot-licker. Your moral gravitas over somebody like Rush Limbaugh is breathtaking.

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                • Author by Dem02020 (April 24, 2007 2:53 pm ET)
                     

                  YOU

                  LICK

                  George W. Bush's

                  BOOTS.

                   

                  No?

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                  • Author by dexteritas0071418 (April 24, 2007 2:55 pm ET)
                       

                    No. You into that kind of thing? They don't even let strippers be topless here in VA, so I don't really have the option even if I wanted to.

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                    • Author by valentinian (April 24, 2007 2:59 pm ET)
                         

                      Wow. That sucks.

                      So instead of titty bars, you have what? Hooters? And that close to Our Nation's Capital?

                      Why does the Commonwealth of Virginia hate America? 

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                      • Author by dexteritas0071418 (April 24, 2007 3:01 pm ET)
                           

                        Hooters has like 3 locations in Richmond, where I live. I guess if you can't drink Grey Goose, you chug Aristocrat.

                         Anyway, the gentlemen club ladies wear pasties. Also, there is a 1-foot tall wall around the stage, and you have to put the dollars on the floor for them to pick up instead of "inserting" them. Sick.

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                        • Author by nerzog (April 24, 2007 3:33 pm ET)
                             

                          And I thought Georgia was backward for not selling beer on Sunday...

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      • Author by monkeyboyiv (April 24, 2007 4:21 pm ET)
           

        While that may be true, and that we, as critical thinkers, will see this as an editorial piece, but what about the average viewer? They'll think it's news. I still deal with people that can't tell the difference between a column and a news article.

        However, to say that Bush is hanging in there, would be like saying George Foreman is hanging in there during the 15th round of his Rumble in the Jungle fight with Ali. Or any of Mike Tyson's (at his peak) opponents during the first five seconds. 

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    • Author by Dem02020 (April 24, 2007 1:47 pm ET)
         

      I don't understand what 'Newsday' is...

      I'm trying to stay up, as much as possible, on current events...

      And I want to appreciate the MMFA item as much as possible...

       

      What the heck does 'Newsday' mean?

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      • Author by juliajayne (April 24, 2007 2:10 pm ET)
           

        Newsday.com. This Pinkerton is a columnist. It appears to be a local type of thing for Suffolk county, NY. I don't know if it's also a paper. I have never heard of it before.

         

         

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      • Author by nasarius (April 24, 2007 2:26 pm ET)
           

        Newsday is *the* paper of Long Island. It's generally quite good, though the opinion page does print idiotic stuff like this a bit too often.

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    • Author by mr. l (April 24, 2007 1:50 pm ET)
         

      Those two headlines asserting that the DEMOCRATS are responsible for Bush's ONE PERCENT increase in the polls should raise the eyebrows of even the staunchest neocons who thinks there is a 'liberal bias' in the media...

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    • Author by nerzog (April 24, 2007 2:16 pm ET)
         

      Compared to Cheney's numbers, Bush is in the stratosphere.  Besides, I think he's bottomed out.  He's down to the knuckledragging base who will stick with him no matter what he does...unless he turns gay.

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    • Author by juliajayne (April 24, 2007 2:20 pm ET)
         

      I guess this fellow Pinkerton is one of those post modernists. Maybe if he wishes hard enough, it will be true. Now folks, don't beleive your lying eyes. 

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      • Author by HuntingtonBeachLefty (April 24, 2007 2:25 pm ET)
           

        I think the point is that even 10% is great when you factor in that 100% of the media is raving lefties trying to destroy the GOP 24 hours a day.

        Poooor, poooor little Republicans. ;0D

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        • Author by juliajayne (April 24, 2007 2:35 pm ET)
             

          Now how did enfant terrible get elected with all that liberal media bias out to destroy the GOP?  

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        • Author by nerzog (April 24, 2007 2:35 pm ET)
             

          Being a rich white man in America just ain't what it used to be.

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    • Author by fantagor (April 24, 2007 2:43 pm ET)
         

      Bush 43 will go down in history as, among other things, most of them atrocities, the treading water president.

      Watch as he and his supporters cling desperately to 35% of a life saver made out of the mingled blood and viscera of a 100,000 dead people!

      Thrill as Bush pretends to look under a table for the elusive WMD that have cost the lives of over 3,300 service men and women then, flash ahead 3 years later, observes decorum by not joking in the wake of a shooting that left less than 1% of that number dead at VT!

      Be amazed as the US dollar collapses under the weight of $9 TRILLION in debt, the bow of the USS USA pointed skyward, and Bush says, "Our economy is strong." 

      Such a complete severance from reality, it makes my chest swell with pride to be an American.

      Randy

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    • Author by leatherhelmet (April 24, 2007 3:33 pm ET)
         

      Media Matters failed to note the democratic led Congress horrendous poll numbers which at times have been lower than Bush's numbers.

      Media Matters also failed to note that despite Bush's poor numbers the Democrats in Congress have been unable to garner enough votes to override any veto threats. 

       

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      • Author by Easy to refute wingnuts (April 24, 2007 4:20 pm ET)
           

        "Media Matters failed to note the democratic led Congress horrendous poll numbers which at times have been lower than Bush's numbers."

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        Actually, they did. Thanks for playing.

        And losing. 

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      • Author by Brabantio (April 24, 2007 4:28 pm ET)
           

        It should be noted that Congress's approval rating is generally not much higher than 50% at best, while a presidential approval rating can go into the 90% bracket.  The combative nature of it alienates it from a number of independents at any given time, which is not comparable to the opinion regarding a single person.  In other words, if a president's approval rating is even near, much less below, that of Congress, that's a problem.

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    • Author by eweston8542983 (April 24, 2007 3:37 pm ET)
         

      Some really good posts today.

      Perhaps I'm just being lazy, but if during a conversation this artical came up as a legitimate point, The process of debunking its valve leaves much less time to move from pols and thier intricate interpitation. to matters worth more time. Call me a wimp I guess, in despirate need of a good suck it up lecture.

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    • Author by Harlequin (April 24, 2007 3:45 pm ET)
         

      In the last election the People disagreed with Bush on just about every issue. The only reason Bush made it was because of hot button issues such as abortion and gay marriages or playing the God card; social issues.

      As far as any high ratings Bush ever had those were because of the war which is a comment tactic of a prince seeking high approval ratings according to Machiavelli.

      But there is one flaw with Bush which is according to him he put himself as the head of the state and the people wish to put themselves in that position. The only difference between Bush and the People is that Bush won and the People failed.

      When the People do finally rise up and topple the statue of Bush he will go down whining, "But Newsweek called me a genius everyday'.

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      • Author by conleytgwinn (April 24, 2007 5:05 pm ET)
           

        Nahhh . . . the reason Bungle "made it" was the hinkey doings in Ohio: in addition to all the crapola in Cuyahoga County, which already has to Repugnants doing time for their parts, and the general policy state-wide of "discouraging" "minority" voters (or any others in urban districts), it turns out that there are more than enough verifiable errors in the precinct counts, to have swung the State to Kerry. Too bad the counts were hijacked, frozen, and manipulated outside the election computers, with the "desired" result then plugged back in 2 hours later - a stunning comeback for Bungle, defying all the polls, all the odds, as well as common sense. Although I orginally picked this problem up on BradBlog, and VelvetRevolution, several months ago, I find it resurfacing in "FreePress" more recently . . .

         

         

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    • Author by kevin1007 (April 24, 2007 4:31 pm ET)
         

      MMFA is fuding things a bit when they say Pelosi and Redi and have "significantly" higher favorable ratings than President Bush. The April 9-12 CBS News poll found Pelosis favorable rating at just 16 percent. Almost half (49%) hadn't even heard of Pelosi. (Would the American people have voted for Democrats last November if they KNEW about Pelosi and her far-left politics?)

      The April 12-15 ABC News poll found Reid's favorable rating to be 46%. That's higher than Bush's, but nothing to write home about. After his recent comments, Reid's favorable rating is sure to drop. You can't diss the troops and expect no consequences.

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      • Author by conleytgwinn (April 24, 2007 5:13 pm ET)
           

        "In fact, recent polling shows that significantly more Americans approve of the performance of Reid and Pelosi than that of Bush. Indeed, an April 12-15 Washington Post-ABC News [link to www.washingtonpost.com] title="http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/politics/polls/postpoll_041607.html">poll found that 46 percent of respondents approved of Reid's job performance, 53 percent approved of Pelosi's job performance, and more generally, 54 percent approved of "the way the Democrats in Congress are doing their job." The same poll found that 35 percent approved of Bush's performance."

        You DID read the information provided in the article, before deciding to ignore that information in order to "fud" things up a bit yourself?

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        • Author by kevin1007 (April 24, 2007 5:23 pm ET)
             

          No, I didn't ignore what MMFA wrote. Given MMFA's history of playing fast and loose with the facts, I believe in looking at independent sources. Pollingreport.com shows that Pelosi's favorable rating in the latest CBS News poll was just 16 percent. 49 percent of the respondents never even heard of her. This suggests that ABC News played with their polling.

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          • Author by Brabantio (April 24, 2007 5:30 pm ET)
               

            All the numbers I've seen have been far higher than 16%.  What makes you so certain that poll isn't the outlier?

            And what history of playing fast and loose with facts?  That sounds like a baseless accusation if there ever was one.

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            • Author by valentinian (April 24, 2007 6:12 pm ET)
                 

              Took me a tiring thirty-five seconds of Googling to debunk this one.

              Look at the actual poll results. If the question is asked with a "haven't heard enough to form an opinion" option, as it is in one poll, the "Favourable" rathing matches Kevin's cherry-pick. All other polls, without that option, have her much higher.

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              • Author by conleytgwinn (April 24, 2007 6:54 pm ET)
                   

                Thanks for the research. I probably owed that research, since I am the guy who knocked down that hornets' nest, but I find you have already done everything that needed doing, and very well indeed!

                Thanks!

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              • Author by kevin1007 (April 24, 2007 8:20 pm ET)
                   

                You haven't debunked a thing. If 49% of those poll never heard of Pelosi, you can't assume that they have a favorable opinion of her. The fact remains that only 16% of those polled by CBS News had a favorable opinion of her. ABC News will have to explain how it got respondents who never hears of Pelosi to express favorable or unfavorable leanings about her.

                And Harry Reid's favorable rating will definitely take a beating after he attacked the troops. Even the liberal David Broder has criticized Reid on that one.

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                • Author by Brabantio (April 24, 2007 8:43 pm ET)
                     

                  You can't say they would have an unfavorable opinion of her either, obviously.  With other polls putting her at 46%, do you really think that those who didn't know her would break strongly against her if they did?

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                • Author by pearlene_scott1602 (April 24, 2007 9:33 pm ET)
                     

                  Kevin, HE DIDN'T ATTACK THE TROOPS!!!!!

                  PLEASE DON"T WASTE OUR TIME WITH REPUBLICAN TALKING POINTS!!!!

                   

                  WE ARE NOT PATRIOTIC AND WE DON"T SUPPORT THE TROOPS IF WE DON"T GO ALONG WITH THE DUMMEST PRESIDENT IN THE HISTORY OF THE US.

                  Support: 1 to carry the weight of: hold up 2 encourage; help 3 to advocate; uphold 4 to maintain ( a person, institution etc.) 5 to help prove, vindicate, etc. 6 to bear;endure 7 dinate to (a star) in a play  

                  TAKE YOUR TALKING POINTS AND SHOVE THEM UP YOUR A**

                  THIS IS AMERICA, DEMOCRACY REMEMBER. THAT WAS ONE OF YOUR PREVIOUS TALKING POINTS!!!

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                  • Author by juliajayne (April 24, 2007 10:05 pm ET)
                       

                    Thanks, Pearlene. Kevin deserved that in spades for his stupid, stupid, stupid remark. I'm so sick of these jingoistic, water carrying, flag waving loyalists who parrot RNC talking points and say the dumbest of dumb things. He has discredited himself with that load of pap. Sheesh.  

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                  • Author by kevin1007 (April 24, 2007 10:14 pm ET)
                       

                    No, when you say the troops have lost a war, you have attacked them. We in the Marines know that is the case.

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                    • Author by Brabantio (April 24, 2007 10:33 pm ET)
                         

                      Really?  So if the government sends you guys into an unwinnable situation, it's a slander on you personally that you didn't win?  If the leadership is poor and the mission is unclear, that reflects on the troops taking orders?

                      Personally I think Marines are smarter than that, but I guess you know them better than I do...

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                      • Author by kevin1007 (April 24, 2007 10:37 pm ET)
                           

                        Here's one Marine who didn't care much for the wimpy Reid's attack.

                        http://www.nypost.com/seven/04242007/news/worldnews/white_flag_harry_furor_worldnews_geoff_earle__post_correspondent.htm

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                        • Author by Brabantio (April 24, 2007 11:23 pm ET)
                             

                          I had no doubts that you could cite someone who disapproved of the remark.  But that doesn't answer the question.  If you were sent into a situation you couldn't win, let's say you were sent into a land war in China.  It's clearly not going well.  Are you upset because someone says that the war is "lost"?  Are you more angry at someone who states an accurate reflection of a common analysis of the situation, or the people who insist you should stay in that position?

                          Look, others have tried this "war=troops" argument, and gone down in flames.  You have to be able to criticize a war without slandering the troops.  Let's say the next Dem president launches a war you don't approve of.  What are you going to say then?

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            • Author by kevin1007 (April 24, 2007 8:15 pm ET)
                 

              For one, MMFA keeps lying about not be supported by Soros. They also lied about the Clinton recession.

              http://www.nationalreview.com/nrof_luskin/luskin200405050850.asp

               

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              • Author by Brabantio (April 24, 2007 8:58 pm ET)
                   

                I'm not seeing the reason for lying about Soros money.  It wouldn't be illegal or unethical, as far as I see.  If he gave to an organation and they funded the site, that doesn't mean anything unless his contribution was conditional on that action.  I've yet to see evidence of this, and to see a reason to care at all in the first place.

                The second matter may be more valid, although economics is not my strong suit.  One thing I notice is that Luskin takes MMfA out of context when he talks about their commitment to the single source.  The reasoning behind that is that they were respected and run by a Bush ally.  In other words, that's an organization that's not going to be spinning things against the President, so they are bound to be acting in good faith in that regard.

                I agree they should have more than one source, and if that organization changed their analysis later they should have noted that.  One issue does not a "history" make, however.

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          • Author by solon (April 24, 2007 5:56 pm ET)
               

            MMFA has no such history. YOU however have shown a history of faith based reality. Eschewing factual reality for your favored delusional fantasies.

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            • Author by kevin1007 (April 24, 2007 8:25 pm ET)
                 

              SOLON:

              Have you noticed that you argue with personal attacks and baseless claims while I back up my assertions with sources? That's how I wiped the mat with you over your false claims about the Clinton record regarding claims Iraq had WMD and operational ties to al Qaeda. Maybe you should try arguing with the facts instead. It's much more effective.

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      • Author by worrierking (April 25, 2007 11:28 am ET)
           

        If the people didn't know about Pelosi's "far left politics" then they weren't paying attention.

        The Fear Mongers sold fear of Pelosi to all of their bedwetting listeners for months before the election.

        The voters weren't buying.

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    • Author by valentinian (April 24, 2007 6:42 pm ET)
         

      "This just in, Idi Amin is still dead."

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    • Author by Sebastion Shaw (April 24, 2007 7:15 pm ET)
         

      Correct me if I'm wrong but, 28% < 34, right?

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    • Author by piniella (April 24, 2007 9:12 pm ET)
         

      "Meanwhile, Americans in the middle, influenced by centrist voices such as The Washington Post's editorial page"

      WOW!  Pinkerton really is in the tank for the neo-cons. AS Chris Matthews put it,

       MATTHEWS: Well, The Washington Post is not the liberal newspaper it was, Congressman, let me tell you. I have been reading it for years and it is a neocon newspaper.

       

       

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    • Author by jimjmeeker8377 (April 25, 2007 12:53 am ET)
         

      Right as Hitler took the cyanide in the bunker, with the Russians 100 yards away and closing in and Germany in ruins, Hitler still had the approval rating of 30%; they were the true believing, crazed diehard nutters. They believed right until the end that The Fuhrer had a secret plan B and was going to unleash his long awaited secret weapon on the enemy and would be victorious.History repeats itself yet again.

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    • Author by representativepress (April 25, 2007 5:01 pm ET)
         

      "Our hearing today has been about two cases, the Tillman case and the Lynch case, and in both cases, it seems like we have - we say deceptive - misleading information - it wasn't misleading information, we have false information that was put out to the American people. Stories that were fabricated and made up." - Rep. Henry Waxman, Oversight and Government Reform Chairman

      "My role as far as at the memorial - it's a horrible thing that happened with Pat. I'm the guy that told America how he died basically at that memorial and it was incorrect.  That does not sit well with me."  - US Navy Seal Stephen White

      Video: U.S. Gov. Lies to American People and the Troops about Pat Tillman and Jessica Lynch

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