O'Reilly falsely accused Media Matters of lying about Soros funding
On the April 26 edition of Fox News' The O'Reilly Factor, host Bill O'Reilly attacked Media Matters for America, saying that "the vile Media Matters outfit is denying receiving funding from any of [progressive financier] George Soros' outfits," and claiming, "Well, that is a total lie." As evidence, O'Reilly noted that the Tides Foundation donated over $1 million to Media Matters in 2005, "[a]nd just by coincidence Soros' Open Society Institute [OSI] donated more than a million dollars to Tides in 2005." He added: "Figure it out." But O'Reilly's conclusion that Soros donated $1 million to Media Matters through the Tides Foundation is false. OSI's donations to Tides were earmarked for several specific programs, and Media Matters was not included on this list.
As Media Matters documented, on April 24, O'Reilly unveiled a chart that purported to expose a "complicated political operation" in which "Soros and a few other wealthy radicals who help him are funneling money into the political process" by funding Media Matters, which "feeds its propaganda to some mainstream media people." As previously indicated, Soros has never given money to Media Matters, either directly or through another organization.
According to the Tides website, the "Tides Foundation has had 30 years of visionary philanthropy for progressive social change. Since 2000, it has granted more than $400 million to progressive nonprofit organizations. Our growth is a testament to the joint commitment among our partners and staff to supporting positive social change domestically and globally." According to the foundation's IRS Form 990, Tides received $81,044,306 in public contributions, gifts, and grants in 2005. Media Matters for America was awarded $1,074,454, and the Media Matters Action Network was awarded $5,000 from Tides in 2005. Tides awarded a total of $85,941,477 to several hundred organizations. According to OSI's Form 990, the organization awarded a total of $550,000 to Tides in 2005 and instructed that this sum be directed to two specific programs or entities: Tides' Death Penalty Mobilization Fund, which was awarded $150,000, and the Right to Vote Campaign, which received $400,000. A total of $988,655 from OSI was actually paid through Tides in 2005 to three programs or entities -- the Death Penalty Mobilization Fund, the Right to Vote Campaign, and Connect US Fund and Network.
From the April 26 edition of Fox News' The O'Reilly Factor:
O'REILLY: The techniques [PBS journalist Bill] Moyers uses are standard-issue secular-progressive far left. And when they're exposed, as Moyers has been, they launch personal attacks. We expect them.
After our report on Monday, the vile Media Matters outfit is denying receiving funding from any of George Soros' outfits. Well, that is a total lie. As we laid out for you, the smear website received more than a million dollars from the Tides Foundation alone in 2005, and just by coincidence, Soros' Open Society Institute donated more than a million dollars to Tides in 2005. Figure it out.
Now, I could sit here for the entire hour and detail the corruption in the far-left media. It was no accident that elements at NBC News rose quickly to defend Media Matters. NBC News uses their propaganda as fact almost daily. Disgraceful. And that's the "Memo."
With O'Reilly lying like this , is it not time for MFMA to file a lawsuit against O"Reilly and FOX News for these lies?
I had the exact same thought.
Whats the use of filing a lawsuit. He will just settle out of court like he did before.
The suit should not be about money . MMFA would not want money, I think we should go to shut down O'Reilly and his lies and hate.
"Shutting people down" as you put it only allows them to wear the mantle of martyr. I would rather see O'Reilly continue t spew his increasingly desperate invective until people just get sick of him.
I would rather see O'Reilly continue t spew his increasingly desperate invective until people just get sick of him.
Given the age of the viewers in his demographics, they're more likely to get sick and die than sick of him.
I am with you on that to a point. O'Reilly for all his lying and stupidity isnt near that point for me.
Get sick of him??? Like they've gotten sick of Limbaugh? You know how long that piece of has been poisoning lazy minds? Hell yes, go after O'Reilly. This isn't about censoring someone's opinion. This is about calling out a serial liar who influences (misleads, confuses) millions of people.
SAVE DEMOCRACY, VOTE FOR A DEMOCRAT!!
"Shutting people down" as you put it only allows them to wear the mantle of martyr. I would rather see O'Reilly continue t spew his increasingly desperate invective until people just get sick of him. - valentinian / Friday April 27, 2007 04:27:28 PM EST
I would take this argument a step further to say that free advertisement night in, and night out from the mouthpeice that is a vital tool in the corruption of American Democracy is too valuable to the cause of restoring the same!
We will know that the message has come home to roost when the very network that airs this propaganda has to pull the show for their own sake, and Americans get to see them crawl back under the rock from which they came!
Happy Thoughts;
Dan Grady
I think MMFA should consider legal action against Bill O'Reilly, if for no other reason than to establish a permanent public judicial record that Bill O'Reilly spread lies, even after being warned that what he continued to say was untrue. And, by O'Reilly's admission, his purpose was to expose MMFA to public scorn by charging (erroneously) that it is allegedly an active arm of a partisan billionaire whose shameful purpose is to smear the right wing media, including O'Reilly. Now is the time to strike a blow against the dishonest right wing media stars like O'Reilly and hold them accountable for their irresponsible ramblings. Enough is enough...
What possible grounds are there for a legal action? Is it slander for O'Reily to say MMFA takes money from Soros? Even if he's wrong (and clearly, he is), where's the harm? So he's convinced his minions that MMFA is a "smear" web site. I wonder how tough that was to accomplish. Let's face it, his viewers are not the most discerning folks in the universe. No one needs to shut O'Reily down, or get him off the air, or threaten him with financial loss or whatever. Just keep exposing his lies as MMFA and Olbermann do almost every day. Frankly, it's kind of fun watching him descend into insanity.
go ahead and settle out of court. That would mean he put himself in the " contribute to MMFA " box. Ironic
Yeah, brilliant. Do you think Media Matters wants its financial records subpoenaed?
Why wouldn't they?
(cue yet another baseless allegation about MMFA)...
You might wanna switch from leather to tin foil.
Leather, you appear to assume that MMFA has something to hide. Sounds like the same type of logic that Bill O'Reilly employs... shoot first, ask questions later. Do you know of anything that MMFA has to hide, or is this just biased speculation on your part?
Do you know of anything that MMFA has to hide
Good point. I guess no body will ever know that since they will never expose their financial records. Doing so would only achieve one of two things; 1- expose mmfa as the liars they are portrayed to be by right wing media as. or 2- expose mmfa as the liars they are.
the problem with all your conservative heroes repeating this line is that eventually it will run out of steam. and then they will be left to actually explaining their words. look at limbaugh. this site already has him portraying his comments about the va tech shooter being a liberal as a "joke". how long before his audience, slow as they are, after all they listen to him, starts wondering what's a joke and what's not. is rush kidding us again?
The only way that MMFA's financial records could be subpoenaed, is for them to be suspected of some type of criminal or financial malfeasance.
I know you're hung up on the Soros money that "goes to MMFA".
O'Really claims it's a fact. MMFA denies it.
Even if it were proven that Soros donates directly to MMFA, and even if everyone involved still denies it, how or why would financial records be subpoenaed?
If Media Matters sued O'Reilly, the first thing his lawyers would do would subpoena every financial record Media Matters has. Doris asked why MMFA doesn't sue O'Reilly and that answers the question why.
I KNEW IT!!! SOROS IS FINANCING EVERYTHING!!!! GEEZ Republicants
believe EVERYTHING they're fed by their leaders!! (I'm a democrat why
isn't he financing me?)
The problem is, what can they sue for? Lying? I'm sure the courts will just 'believe' mmfa and they would not have to show BOR is lying. The only way mmfa could prove he is lying is by showing where the money comes from. Would they do that? Absolutely NOT! If they did then it would be proven that BOR is NOT lying.
You dont know that and that is the point. MMFA isnt going to sue because its petty and Billy O'falafel is so ego consumed he might very well believe what he says. What is NOT in dispute is he cannot back up his accusations nor do they make sense so he IS making baseless accusations. IF Soros wanted to give MMFA money there is nothing to stop him from writing them a check. Has Bill shown Soros has done that? No, he just keeps making the accusation hoping if he says it enough it will magically become true.
"According to the Tides website, the "Tides Foundation has had 30 years of visionary philanthropy for progressive social change. Since 2000, it has granted more than $400 million to progressive nonprofit organizations. Our growth is a testament to the joint commitment among our partners and staff to supporting positive social change domestically and globally." According to the foundation's IRS Form 990, Tides received $81,044,306 in public contributions, gifts, and grants in 2005. Media Matters for America was awarded $1,074,454, and the Media Matters Action Network was awarded $5,000 from Tides in 2005. Tides awarded a total of $85,941,477 to several hundred organizations. According to OSI's Form 990, the organization awarded a total of $550,000 to Tides in 2005 and instructed that this sum be directed to two specific programs or entities: Tides' Death Penalty Mobilization Fund, which was awarded $150,000, and the Right to Vote Campaign, which received $400,000. A total of $988,655 from OSI was actually paid through Tides in 2005 to three programs or entities -- the Death Penalty Mobilization Fund, the Right to Vote Campaign, and Connect US Fund and Network."
Read these records and click on the links (not shown in this reply comment but up above). MMFA does not need to prove anything and Bill O'Reilly can't back anything up.
No, mmfa does not need to prove anything. And, yes Soros can give mmfa all the money he wants to mmfa. Nobody is saying he can't. I think BOR is saying that mmfa is simply an 'employee' of Soros. He funds them, they do what he wants them to. There is nothing wrong with that plan, BOR is simply pointing it out. Apparently there may be more truth to that than meets the eye, since you have nothing but complaints about him bringing it out in the open. If mmfa truly did not care that anyone knew they are a puppet of Soros then they would ignore what is said about them. But, since they do care about the implications of being a Soros puppet, then they repeat over and over again how "clean" they are. I you continually give excuses as to why you didn't do something, odds are you did it. The fact remains that mmfa is a puppet for Soros. They do what he wants them to and concentrate on denegrating the people he wants them to.
Interesting argument considering how insane O'Reilly goes anytime someone points out that he is just a puppet of Ruppert Murdoch.
Yes, and isn't mmfa going just as 'insane' as BOR? They constantly have the 'we are not a soros puppet' thread going trying to shift attention away from themselves and onto someone else.
Interesting... in OutFoxed, they had the guy who went on the factor, whose dad died during 9/11. The next day, O'Reilly lied about the previous day guest, who then asked a lawyer whether it was possible to sue BillO for lying. The lawyer said it would be tricky because...
Bill lies so pathologically that it might be impossible to prove that he knew he was lying.
I have a suggestion: Let's just get the disputing parties together, and they can slug it out.
b.o. should hand over his nightly Fox hour, for one night, to the MMFA crowd... and then MMFA hands over their web-site, and whatever appears on it, for one day, to b.o.
I'd watch the Fox show ('The MMFA Factor'?), and I'd hit the web-site too ('b.o. Matters for America'?)...
...I'd comment like there was no tommorrow, if b.o. took over MMFA for a day.
Two words: Slander suit.
I can not let this one go
How can he get away with calling this a "smear" website. This website provides evidence, quotes accurate statements from people. Please explain to me how that is a "Smear" Mr. O'Reilly? I remember the 2004 Tim Russert interview with Paul Krugman how O"Reilly mocked MMFA back then.
He's afraid of his idiocy reaching the wrong audience, regardless of how accurately it may quoted or the audio & video that accompanies it.
Speaking of idiocy, think they'll get as upset about this as they did with Dan Rather's memo?
http://thinkprogress.org/2007/04/27/fox-parody/#comments
Any minute now someone's getting canned at fox...
WOW, this should actually be on MMFA. What a bunch of morons. Thanks for the link.
I think a lawsuit might be a decent idea.
Media Matters could donate the money to charity.
It's one tool in the arsenal to try to get the public alerted to the broken-down, loathsome, lying, blockhead that is Bill O'Reilly.
I dont think so. It leaves O'falafel too much room to paint himself as a victim and I think it would hurt MMFA more than help. Just showing that as usual he has no idea what he is talking about is exactly what they ought to do. Show they dont have a thin skin and move on to the next O'Reilly idiocy. The last thing MMFA needs is to be able to be painted as having an ax to grind against specific rightwing targets
A good point Solon,
Maybe we could do a kind of Class Action lawsuit against O'Dork. He's told so many lies we could have hundreds, or even thousands of plaintiffs.
Solon, perhaps what MMFA should do is to bait O'Reilly by threateneing legal action and demanding damages if he does not retract his false staements. Let O'Reilly go public and perhaps even take legal action against MMFA.
What people seem to forget about O'reilly's Andrea Mackris case is that it was O'Reilly who filed suit against Andrea Mackris.. for alleged extortion. The Mackris responded with her sexual harassment suit. O'reilly may not be dumb enough to make the same mistake twice, but it shows how dumb O'Reilly can be.
My point is that with an ego-driven opponenet such as O'Reilly the more you push him the more likely it is he will make a huge blunder. If George Soros has, in fact, not funded MMFA, either directly or indirectly, I'd like to see it publicly revealed that O'Reilly has been lying about the Soros/MMFA connection. MMFA should not crawl meekly away on this one.
Great point. O'Reilly was obviously bluffing. Trying to bully Mackris into submission. Didn't work that time.
I would give anything to see the look on Bill O'Reilly's face when he realized many of his explicitly lecherous conversations were quoted verbatim in Mackris' lawsuit, which obviously suggested the conversations were on tape.
Love the thinking. Great tactical logic. MMFA has to be careful they dont let anything look personal. Its still good thinking.
oh, yeah Bull is great at dumb lawsuits, like the time he sued Al Franken and got laughed out (literally!) out of court. LOL!
Exactly what is NBC supposed to be getting from MMFA? I never see NBC doing stories on the lies in the right wing media. Have I missed it? Hell, I wish they would hilite MMFA stories.
He was talking about Keith Olbermann on MSNBC. He just doesn't want to actually say his name, because he thinks that would give Olbermann more publicity and boost his ratings.
This is another example of O'Reilly being hysteric and insane. He was caught by Olbermann the other night in a lie and exposed. He is borderline insane in my view.
Hmmm. I'd like to be border line insane if it meant that I could be a multimillionaire. I'd make that trade any day.
Completely meaningless obfuscation. You might as well have urinated on your keyboard.
Tells everyone where you are coming from.
I was being sarcastic. I was making the point that you can't have the top rated cable news show on television and be ultra famous like O'Reilly and be insane at the same time. O'Reilly isn't insane, but many of you who are so obsessed with him that you have to personally attack him on a regular basis are hateful and probably close to insane yourselves.
You can't? I got dibs on O'Really as my evidence that you can. Who can you point to to back up your claim?
Does being rich and famous form some type of barrier in your mind against insanity?
You couldn't run such a successful T.V. show and radio show if you were insane. O'Reilly's outbursts on T.V. are done only to generate ratings. He knows exactly what he's doing. He's been in the business a long time, and he knows that his confrontational style is the main reason why people watch his show.
You couldn't run such a successful T.V. show and radio show if you were insane.
I don't see how this is as patently obvious as you seem to be making it. In any regard, I don't see O'Reilly as insane, he's just an Irish Catholic asshole with anger management issues, same as pretty much all of my uncles on my mother's side.
Have to agree with you, Val. And I know my Irish Catholic assholes. I am one!
So basically he's the "Jerry Springer" of cable news.
He's a petulant, troublesome, colossal piece of corporate filth.
The poster boy for the diseased media we now have in America.
And starring Bill O'Reilly as Hamlet
So, O'Reilly's not really an insane man, he just plays one on TV? That surely doesn't speak well to his audience, most of whom are convinced he's a journalist.
If this is the case, that all his outbursts are calculated and such ...
Doesn't this then mean that it is not a news show, so much as an entertainment show? I mean, if his show is based on his being theatrical in his delivery of the news, that's not really a news program, it's more histrionics with some news on the side ... isn't it?
Which would mean that Bill isn't really a journalist, but an entertainer ... like John Stewart?
He's just your garden variety right-wing cable news a-hole.
Maybe it's the people who watch his show that are hateful and insane huh? Why would a sane person worship an obnoxious mean poor people hating liar like Bill O'rielly? So Bill isn't the emotionally disturbed one he just exploits the emotionally disturbed to get ratings, although I suspect that many of O'rielly's viewers are just watch for the laughs.
Brings to mind a certain individual who rose to power through hate mongering and blatantly lying. Adolf Hitler was one of the most successful individuals in history before the tide turned in the war. Can you make the same claim that Hitler was not actually insane because he was smart enough, resourceful enough, popular enough, and influential enough to become the supreme leader of an actual attemp to take over the world?
Nice Hitler comparison. It's people like you that make Democrats look like a bunch of far left loons.
Why do you attempt to turn one post into a representative of all "Democrats"? Liberals who do such things (with regards to conservatives) on this website are rightly chastized for doing that often. What makes you think it is okay to paint "Democrats" with such a broad brush?
I said that it's people like him that make Democrats LOOK LIKE they are very far left. I didn't say that they were far left. There are a lot of mainstream, sensible Democrats, but there is a loud and angry faction on the far left which makes the Democratic party look more extreme than it really is.
Rino-"but many of you who are so obsessed with him that you have to personally attack him on a regular basis are hateful and probably close to insane yourselves."
Interesting projection you made there. BO clearly lies, is a racist bigoted self-serving moron. (and that's on his good days)That he has any kind of audience- even if they do skew to the 70's median age- is just a sad commentary on how easily people can be misled, and respond on some barbaric level to a true bully. That he has become a multimillionaire using fear and smear as the tools of his trade is just shameful. His hypocrisy in the "no spin zone" and "I''m looking out for you" makes those who think he has something worthwhile to say that much more pitiful.
Media matters has documented in full context with audio and video numerous lies and attacks that have come out of Oreilly mouth.
Obsessed with Oreilly- please? What Media Matters is doing is a public service- as other posters have notes. And they are diligently and meticulously continuing to post the lies and hypocrisy that is spread through the mainstream media.
If you don't like it, why do you even bother posting here? I know Oreilly has his own site, and would be very happy to have you keep him swimming in the money.
Anyone who has watched him continuing to get more shrill, and become increasingly more delusional, paranoid, and absurd can see he has serious mental health issues.
I would say he is a narcissistic border line personality disorder who is in dire need of intervention. But hey, if you enjoy watching a very ill man then you know where you can see him and listen to him. But why waste your time posting here? Any day now his head will explode and that is going to be quite a show.
"BO clearly lies, is a racist bigoted self-serving moron"
Thanks for proving my point. Your hatred is very evident.
Guess those facts are biased, huh?
(I'll give ya moron, though.)
Rino Hunter...
BO clearly lies, is a racist bigoted self-serving moron"- me
Thanks for proving my point. Your hatred is very evident.- you
Tsk, tsk, don't you get tired of throwing the word "hate" around? I don't have the energy to "hate "BO- I find him offensive and moronic- see above- subjective opinion.
Lies bigot, racist, see numerous Media Matters articles- objective FACT. (including this one)
His propaganda does pollute the airwaves- I am happy to have his crap exposed for the stink it is.
Now again... why do you troll here? You appear not only to disbelieve Media Matters when they have stated unequivocally they are NOT funded by Soros ( not that that would be a bad thing, but again it just shows the inanity of BO"s pathological lying)
You just attack posters here who do respect the work of Media Matters.
So what exactly does this site "offer" you.
You know there are none so blind that refuse to see.
There's nothing sadder than "stupid old people."
It's embarrassing.
Sure you can Weiner proves that. However I dont personally think O'Reilly is psychotic, just lazy and not very bright.
And nobody knows hateful and insane like a trolling little tittybaby like you.
"And nobody knows hateful and insane like a trolling little tittybaby like you."">[link to lefthandplay.blogspot.com] Damian the Left-Hand Player / Friday April 27, 2007 05:41:15 PM EST
Wow! How very civil of you. The quote above is an example of the hate the spews from the left. You people can't even see it.
There's an interesting observation that only the left engages in name calling and shouting down those on the right. See the Drudge article about FBI director Robert Mueller at a speech at Harvard recently [link to www.thecrimson.com] 'civil discourse' from the left.
Aw. Did the mean man call you a name?
The funny part is you acted like a tittybaby right after he called you a tittybaby. And you can't even see it.
If you don't know the difference between name-calling and hate speech, well... you're a big dummy tittybaby, so there.
He wasn't calling ME anything, so I don't care. But, as usual, you missed the point. Just like MOST of the posts on MMFA.
The left is so thin skinned - everything you disagree with is "hate-speech". Why don't you grow a pair and get over it.
Please, tell us the "everything" that we on the left refer to as hate speech.
Can't refute anything you see here, so instead you get whiny about someone doing some immature name calling, thinking that scores you some sort of conservative brownie points.
Why dont YOU grow a BRAIN and join the human race.
Maybe you should stop being such a hypocrite and tell all your liberal friends to stop using the "hate speech" that you accuse conservatives of. This website, Daily Kos, Democratic Underground, are all among the worst offenders. Many posters simply come to this site and the others to personally attack and denigrade others.
Rino,
I don't think it is right to name-call, so I rarely engage in it (of course, I am not perfect). I resent your (and goodfellas) implication that this is some sort of general trait of the left. I would argue that it is more often the activity of fundamentalists/partisans who have lost their way on both the right AND the left. It is just as easy (if not moreso) for me to go to freerepublic or newsbusters, make (what at least I would consider to be) a well-reasoned argument and promptly get pummelled ad hominem & ad nauseum. Heck, even O'Reilly attacks Moyers, Olberman and MMFA ad hominem above and does not address the meat of the arguments one bit.
Just wanted you to know that I am sorry you (and goodfellas) have been treated so shabbily by a few posters here. I don't see where either of you engaged in ad hominem attacks first. Posters would have done better to simply address your argument that because O'Reilly is rich and runs a successful TV show, he can't really be insane.
Really? How would you characterize THIS?
Why don't you grow a pair and get over it.
Cause maybe its just me but I found it rude and uncivil from a poster who had just taken someone ELSE to task for being rude.
Solon,
I see that as a response to Valentinian calling him a "titty-baby". That was uncalled for in my opinion and degraded the discourse further. The way I read it (I admit I could be missing something), Goodfellas and Rino Hunter were being fairly civil until they were unnecessarily provoked.
Goodfellas and Rino Hunter may be a bit hypocritical for responding in kind after they had just condemned the behavior, but it looks like they didn't start it and as such, are not as culpable as those who drug the discourse down to begin with IMO.
Let's all just start over with a more civil tone here. Pretty please?
OK. I was reading Goodfellas posts as smarmy and rude. Perhaps I was just looking for that. You have credibility on this issue to me so perhaps I was wrong on this one.
OK rino lets go over this slowly. Do you KNOW what a hypocrite is? To qualify I would have to be chastising HIM for something I also do. HE told a poster to 'grow a pair' I returned serve with grow a brain. What I did NOT do is criticise him for being rude. I just got rude back. Heres the thing. This isnt your call. I will decide how I respond to any post I read and I really couldnt care less whether you like it or not.
Grow a pair?
Insert Holly post here.
He actually called me a tittybaby. But since you commented, I find it funny that you defended the comment and then personally attacked the person who was trying to bring a little bit of civility to this website. And this is coming from a person who accuses conservatives of "hate speech" on a regular basis.
Perhaps you will be on Olbermann tonight as Worst Tittybaby in the World.
Saying only the left engages in namecalling isnt an observation its a lunatic fantasy. An outright lie really. Just check the archives here. Weiner, O'Reilly, Coulter they all namecall. Not only is it a lie, its such self evident nonsense only an idiot would take it seriously.
Just to bolster your point, O'Reilly above engages in ad hominem attacks against MMFA, Soros, Moyers and Olberman/NBC.
O'Reilly does not address any substantive point that MMFA, Moyers, Soros or Olberman has ever made in the above article.
e pluribus unim
Yeah, like anyone other than Faux would use Drudge for primary sourcing...
"...you can't have the top rated cable news show on television and be ultra famous like O'Reilly and be insane at the same time."
Uhhh... and why not? With an audience such as that which FOX News panders to, why are insanity and the shallowness of celebrity mutually exclusive? When OJ Simpson was arrested I heard one of his fans laugh it away" "How could OJ be guilty of killing anybody? He's on television and in the movies!" Bright thinking, huh? About as bright as the logic one typically hears on FOX...
Another example is the popularity of Rush Limbaugh, an oxycontin addict. Oxycontin is akin to heroin; methodone is used in the treatment of oxycontin addiction. When I learned of Limbaugh's oxycontin addiction the reasons for all of his incoherent, stream of consciousness ramblings became clear.
You give media executives and audiences way too much credit. One loves to make money fooling people and the other loves to remain happily fooled.
Conservative values?
--"he thinks that would give Olbermann more publicity and boost his ratings."--
Of course no one would ever be aware there was an MSNBC or an Olbermann unless O'Reilly told them. Right.
And, by the same reasoning, because of the way he "thinks", O'Reilly doesn't mention the words 'Media Matters' at all whatsoever 'cuz it would give them "publicity".
"Of course no one would ever be aware there was an MSNBC or an Olbermann unless O'Reilly told them"
Hardly anyone is aware that there is an Olbermann. If you and ten of your friends watch his show tonight you'll probably double his audience.
O'Reilly is watched by old people like me. I however do not watch him, I DVR him to watch his lies but I believe it may come to a point to call for a boycott of his advertisers for his lies.
Hey Doris
I noticed you were attacked as being a fake for daring to be critical of Olbermann on another thread. Where are the attack dogs now as you make outrageous statements about Bill O'Reilly? Why is that you are allowed to lie about O'Reilly and no one says a word. But if you say something remotely critical of Keith this group attacks you. Why? Please explain. Someone explain.
LIE? You say she lied? About O'LIElly himself? Since no comment could approach the despicable nature of that creature, she musta been sayin' somthin' good?
Interpersonal relationships 101? I think that if concerned parties have anything they feel like saying, they'd do it. Time and space work wonders for getting beyond the anger. No offence but personal differences are one of the smallest things of concern here. A clever insult is appreciated, often by the target. Someboby's having a bad day, ok it does happen.
Olbermann was named one of "The Top 10 Most Powerful People in TV News 2007" by TV Week.
And he was just named co-host of Football Night in America.
And his ratings are up 70 percent.
And his show has been renewed for another four years.
And his demographics skew much younger than the graying O'Reilly's.
So, yeah. Hardly anyone's aware of Olbermann.
"And his ratings are up 70 percent"
And if you and a few of your friends hurry up and go watch him his ratings will probably go up another 70%. So hurry and go help your friend Keith out!
Face it, Rino... O'Reilly is fading. The popularity right wing media madness is fading. Bush is fading. The Republican Party is fading. And Bill O'Reilly is not taking it very well or with much dignity.
I have millions of friends.
Hurts, don't it?
And you once again prove you're nothing more than a troll spouting the lies of Faloofahl O'Lielly.
Go away and let the adults talk, little boy.
Wow, $400 million in donations since 2000 from the Tides Foundation to "progressive nonprofit organizations"? And liberals are complaining about the disrespect they get in talk radio when there is that much cash floating around in their direction?
Wow.
Money and respect are the same thing?
OK, forget the disrespect part, substitute a "voice".
Tommy, prove to me that all conservative organizations have 1/2 or less than that amount since 2000 and maybey you'll have a point.
Let me rephrase: Prove to me that conservative oraganizations have 1/2 or less than that amount and you'll have a point.
"Now, I could sit here for the entire hour and detail the corruption in the far-left media."... But I won't, because I don't have any evidence.
Evidence?
We don't need no stinkin' evidence!!!
Welcome back, Roy.
In all seriousness, O'Reilly should just let this go......who cares who funds who? Is anyone really sitting home connecting these dots and coming up with some nefarious plan to steal elections away from conservatives into the hands of "far left" financiers, or puppets they can manipulate for their own evil ends? It's absurd.
Just more of Bill's manufactured hysteria, he looks more and more foolish on a daily basis.
O'Reilly stated on his show that his segment on Soros and MMFA was the highest rated segment by premium members on www.billoreilly.com. So a lot of people actually are interested in all that stuff.
Says O'Reilly? If you believe anything that comes out of that mans house I can grow wings and fly.
I don't think O'Reilly would be talking about it if it didn't generate good ratings. He has the #1 rated cable news show in the country, and the publicity that MMFA is giving him is only helping his ratings, and the publicity that MMFA is getting from O'Reilly is making them more well known as well. They both benefit from this back and forth bashing of each other.
Is his show news? I was under the impression, from our conservative friends here, that O'Reilly's show was an opinion show, not news.
He gives the news and then gives his on take on it. He then will often have someone on to debate him on his interpretation of the news. Often times it's a liberal and you get to hear both sides of the issue. O'Reilly himself is not fair and balanced in my opinion, but his liberal guests help to make the show at least somewhat balanced.
--"you get to hear both sides of the issue"--
Until O'Reilly out-shouts them, tells them to "shut-up" or cuts off their mic.
I have to agree with Dave. O'Reilly only tolerates liberals if they're milquetoast and either wimp out when challenged by Bill, flatter him until it's sickening, or barely offer up something so minutely contrarian that they may as well be in total agreement.
O'Reilly does not take well to opposing viewpoints, and I think his liberal Fox News contributors know this very well. Know your place!
What about the shouting match with Geraldo? Geraldo didn't exactly back down from him, and I never saw O'Reilly cut his mike.
Jeremy Glick?
Yeah, what about Geraldo? What happened to him? He was a hard-core Clinton defender in the 90s, then he was relegated to the back bench. He went from a nightly prime-time talk show to making occasional appearances on O-Reilly. His show was one of the first with the now familiar shouting-heads format. Has he fallen into disfavor with the corporate media moguls?
Yeah, what about Geraldo? What happened to him?
Here's what might have happened to Geraldo. You can see how well he gets on with Billo in this YouTube video. A full Billo meltdown. Enjoy.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tLPuGuaZTx8
Geraldo is, by far, the exception, not the rule.
O'Reilly employed his fallback, classic O'Reilly out-shouting/talking-over schtick got a surprise from Rivera. Rivera -unlike 99-percent of the "opposing view" dunk-tank-worthy "debaters" the cowardly O'Reilly invites to his "Factor" show - stood-up to the schoolyard bullying.
---"I have to agree with Dave."---
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Double !!
I also agree with you about Geraldo - it was an exception, hardly the rule.....I have a feeling Geraldo got a little off-camera scolding about that, just my hunch. If there's anything "Uncle Bill" does not take kindly to is when guests refute articulately what he saying....he prefers nuts and loons as guests as they make far easier targets for him to look mainstream, traditional, fair, clear minded and reasonable.
He isn't fooling most anymore, I personally watch him for entertainment and to see him whine and ratchet up non-stories that only serve his ego.
I think BO needed to have some decorum because if I am not mistaken, Gerlaldo is a fellow fox news contributor or something like that.
Theater does have a longer tradition than the news. There's always an audience for theater.
That's quite true; Bill blows up and foams at the mouth when he is seriously challenged. We saw it in the Krugman debate, the Jeremy Glick interview, the exchange with Al Franken, his interview at NPR, his recent exchange with Geraldo Rivera, and judging by the video of interview he did with the Irish talk show host he was about to blow there as well? I saw a wee bit of fear in the eyes of host.
How much is BO paying you to smear this website?
Ordinarily, I would call this a ridiculous accusation, but the frequency with which Rino keeps posting "and he has the #1 rated show on cable news!" gives me pause.
So "what say you," Rino?
Nothing. I just get the satisfaction of getting under the skin of all the liberals here.
Sorry Rhino, if 6 years of Bush billsh** hasn't gotten under my skin, your little whiny and run statements don't even rate a blip on the map. Didn't you momma tell you " what doesn't kill you WILL make you stronger" Mine did.
Media Matters gets under your skin, in your organs, and embeds itself in your right-winged brain. It's obvious from your dozen-plus posts apologizing for O'Reilly. I hope for your sake the longing you have for him is not unrequited.
If MMFA's attention is helping him why are his ratings dropping?
http://www.mediabistro.com/tvnewser/ratings/oreillys_postelection_hemorrhage_21299.asp
Here are the monthly averages:October: 3,166,000 / November: 3,080,000 / December: 2,610,000 / January: 2,478,000 / February: 2,391,000 / March: 2,320,000 / April: 2,178,000 / May-to-date: 2,096,000
He seems to have lost more than one million viewers in less than a year. He is still number one but that wont last if he keeps up this freefall. Ratings however do not denote quality.
"He is still number one but that wont last if he keeps up this freefall"
And if that happens Hannity and Colmes will be the top rated cable news show. Another Fox show, wouldn't you know it?
No I wouldnt know, nor would I care. Neither come anywhere near American Idol, another crap show. I hear Hitlers speeches were real popular too. Big Macs are more popular than Broccoli. I wonder which is better for me?
--"Hannity and Colmes will be the top rated cable news show."--
And that 'news show' will as always be surpassed by wrestling and Spongebob Squarepants.
Just use your broom.
(Ok, that was uncalled for I apologize).
O'Reilly should stop whining about who is out to get him, and concentrate on stories that matter to people.
As I've said before, I've never seen someone become so wealthy and whine so much about how difficult his existence is.
I'm sorry, but just seeing "premium members on www.billoreilly.com." forms a mental picture that makes me giggle...
Did you see the offical BOR "no spin zone" adult diapers in the gift area?
And when you return them, Bill sends you a rebate and uses their contents as program material....HAAAHAAAAhaaahaaaa... I kill me...
Neon. if you clicked on the link "Ann Coulter on Rosie O'donnell", yer tougher than I am.
BTW, i think our brilliant posterior-themed pun-demonium got scratched from the knuckle dragger thread. Too "edgy" ?.
Well, I certainly didn't think so. I thought it was pure comedy gold. In fact, I suspect that it was removed just so it couldn't be used as evidence in an inevitable copyright lawsuit against the Daily Show.
Don't be surprised when a Stewart and Oliver banter starts to sound familiar. I mean, hey, they stole my "taint" skit...
I wonder how many millions Fox "News" doles-out to the likes of Hannity, O'Reilly, Gibson and former GOP bigwig Roger Ailes to keep its nightly, prime-time Republican propaganda machine rolling along.
Exactamundo.
What makes money from George Soros so dirty? When you think of all the money that reaches Republicans through big oil, big tobacco, big pharmaceutical, big medical insurance, etc., Soros' money seems pretty clean by comparison.
Soros is just giving MMfA that money so he doesn't have to kill their ass...
(Is that too obscure? Am I the only one who saw "exactamundo" and immediately thought "be cool, honey bunny"?)
I'm too old - I thought "Sit on it, nerd."
...Because according to the wackiest of the wingers you know the really crazy ones that have been completely brainwashed by the machinations of their controllers, Soros is the devil and of course the devil's money is dirty. The craziest wildest and meanest accusations are being lodged against Soros, they make the swiftboaters look like they were a John Kerry admiration society. They really ought to be ashamed of themselves to stoop to the levels they are doing. Now Mr. O'Rielly what the right is doing to Soros is the epitome of character assasination.
This whole thing is just going to keep going back and forth the way it is. O'Reilly can't prove for a fact that Media Matters actually received Soros' money, and Media Matters can't prove that they didn't get money from Soros at least indirectly. This is just going to keep going back and forth, and it doesn't really matter anyway. It doesn't matter if Soros funds this website or not. The website is here and it doesn't matter where it gets the money. I'm not sure why O'Reilly is so obsessed with Soros. He's probably done more to hurt the Democratic Party than he has to help it.
Well, I guess that would be why. He's a rich liberal who's said some "controversial" things, and his name gets certain people's blood pressure rising.
So you are admitting O'Reilly is making a claim he cannot prove? I mean since he is making the accusation the burden of proof is on him not on MMFA to disprove it.
It seems to me that the onus to prove this is on the person who alleged it. The only reason this is continuing is because the winger leaders are trying to convince their followers that Soros eats babies for desert and of course if MMFA takes money from a baby eater they too must be baby eaters. They are attempting to kill two birds with one smear. The whole thing is too silly. Oh yeah, and smear merchant, character assassin thy name is Bill O’rielly
--"Media Matters can't prove "--
Well, Media Matters has the IRS documents and links to those documents so one can review them carefully.
But then O'Reilly has... his chart. So, yeah, sure-it's an even draw, isn't it?
LOL,
I loved how Olbermann summarized his assessment:
"Bill O'Reilly has issued another fatwa -- this time against the journalism watchdog website, Media Matters, proving, without the slightest fear of contradiction, that he has a flow chart and the access to the color red."
O'Reilly and his chart remind me of that Python skit. The one where the guy figures he qualifies as a lion-tamer solely because he now has the lion-tamer hat.
So now Olbermann is making fun of muslims.
Yeah, he said "fatwa" to make fun of Muslims, not to show how obvioulsy farcical Bill O'Reilly is. Sure thing.
The IRS documents mean nothing. We need to see the money flow. Where the checks went, into what accounts and what checks were written from those accounts. We would need to see internal memos, subpoena phone records and emails. Won't happen, unless of course Media Matters sues O'Reilly. That won't happen either.
I'm sorry but, probable cause anyone? Bill O Really can't touch MMFA financial records without probable cause and some evidence. Especially in a slander lawsuit. MMFA contributions are public records because they are tax-deductible items to the giving parties. If there was any impropriety, the IRS would be all over MMFA. Leather, stop giving legal analysis and keep your day job.
IRS documents mean nothing????
How do you THINK they follow the FLOW OF MONEY?? So, if Faux showed IRS documents showing the flow of money like O'Lielly's loofa
er I mean pie chart, you wouldn't believe it??
No, we don't need to see any more proof from O'Reilly except his PowerPoint slide. Bill: rest your case-you've earned it.
Now the ball is in Media Matters' court. They must show all their files, records, receipts, and the results of a complete audit. They they must place all contents of David Brock's pockets in the plastic tray. Until all this happens, they're guilty.
Leather, are you really that stupid?
It is a crime to lie on an IRS document.
Tides is bound to use money donated to it for the purposes for which it is donated, otherwise it has violated the law with respect to nonprofit organizations.
Do you think before you post?
This is another classic example of Bill-doe "journalism."
Is it possible for this hapless dork to get through a day without lying?
O'Rielly's attack on Bill Moyers is unfounded. Moyers presented an unbiased point of view about the Iraq war. He played clips from Fox Noise and other news sources such as CNN and the three network news agencies. He quoted editorials from The New York Times and many others who were ramping up support for the war. Is O'Rielly and the rest of Fox Noise simply incapable of telling the truth about anything?
His attack on Moyers was not only sad but pathetic. Moyers is a national treasure and one of the best journalists in America, yet O'Reilly threw a huge fit for the simple fact Moyers pointed out how much he fawned over Bush and uncritically examined Bush’s actions when starting this war. Then when Jane Hall pointed out the fact that O'Reilly was doing the exact same thing that he accused Moyers of doing, he screamed at her; he was having a total meltdown before our very eyes. Even a hack like Bernard Goldberg admitted that Moyers' PBS documentary was good, but O'Reilly wasn’t having it: he big ego was crushed that Moyers had the gall to highlight his inaccuracies.
O'Reilly is fully aware that he has little to no credibility, and what stresses him out the most is that folks are holding him accountable and judiciously reading and listening to him more critically now than before.
Show of hands everyone who remembers Billy saying if we didnt find the WMDs in Iraq he would be against the war and never trust the Bush administration again?
*raises both hands high and waves them at Solon*
I think we both know that Bill's ego and pride is way too high for him to ever admit a mistake. I do think it's pretty fascinating to watch his demise, and how he's so unhinged now, he'll even scream and berate his usual guests like Jane Hall, who has the chutzpah to challenge him whenever he's lying.
Keep up the good work.
My body language experts are predicting O'Reilly's head is going to explode any day now.
It seems to me that he is becoming more and more unhinged and paranoid. I don't understand who his audience is or what they see in him. All i see is a shrill huckster afraid of being called out on his bull. Sooner or later he will go too far.
"more and more unhinged and paranoid"
And it's not just Bill O'Reilly. Look at the recent ramblings of Rush Limbaugh, for example. Look at Melanie Morgan. And Micheal Savage's meltdowns are becoming increasingly painful to hear... he's really losing it.
I think what we're watching is, if not the beginning of the end of right wing media madness, at least a worried change in right wing talk shows. The fact that Don Imus got canned scared the hell out of the right wing talkers. Why do you suppose Rush Limbaugh is now trying to characterize his "VT shooter is a lberal" comments as an orchestrated "joke"? I'd be willing to bet he's gotten e-mails from a number of disappointed listeners who feel he crossed the line by politicizing the tragedy the way he did and I'd bet some of his sponsors have voiced concern as well. Limbaugh has even said that liberals are trying to kill talk radio. He is worried... and with good reason.
What these guys are finally realizing is that there has been a dramatic shift in politics and that their schticck is losing popularity. Even die-hard Republicans are now distancing themselves from Bush and his failed policies and yet the right wing talkers are still trying to blame everything on liberals. People aren't buying into that crap any more. It's not to say people are becoming liberals... it's that people are becoming increasingly anti-Bush and anti-Republican bullsh*t.
Yes, Bill O'Reilly is becoming increasingly unhinged and paranoid... but he's not alone. These right wing liars should be worried. Their days are numbered...
RinoHunter,
Sorry,You do not get under my skin. You see, I am a Prince and you are a mere RinoHunter. Your posts are the same day after day, trying to bother people who post here. Can't see whose skin you get under!! But keep trying because posters like you get people thinking about the serious beating that the Right is enduring. Before Black Rovember, the Righties all laughed and laughed at anything the Lefties said or tried to do, but now things are different. The O'Reilliy-Limbaugh types are being exposed for what they truly are....money-grabbers with not one iota of a care for the real republican party members. Too bad you are with that group of snake-oil salesmen. There is still hope for you on the Correct side. I, a Prince, personally invite you over.
MAYBE, WE GET UNDER YOUR SKIN
A couple of weeks before the November elections Rush Limbaugh was publicly predicting that Republicans would increase their majority in Congress, despite all contrary indications. Now who could ever trust the political acumen of someone who would say something so detached from reality, simply to "carry water" for the Bush gang?
Even if you gave O'Reilly and Limbaugh the benefit of the doubst as to their sincerity they've proven time after time how wrong they are about things... but yet thay will never admit that. They are worried because Imus got canned and their sponsors are watching them more closely. Their hands are tied because they can't heat up the troops like they used to... and their info is proven unreliable.
Personally I like rino pretty much the way he is. Mono culture is mono clulture. I haven't been swayed by anyones argument for their particular brand. There was one, but it involved the illegal use of a substance known as identitine phosphate(crucial to hair growth). Availible along with other items not normally avaible in this state on display in the back. Just ask for Miss George, and tell her necessity sent you.
Notice next to O'Lielly's mug, it says " NBC news uses Media Matters
propaganda as fact almost daily. Disgraceful. ? All I can say is at least
they HAVE facts! All Faux does is broadcasts lies by this criminal administration.
I do have to admit, his charts while wrong, are colorful! I like how the arrows point!
Unfortunately for BilldO, I took the time to do my own investigation and prepare my own chart today.
The facts are here.
End of story.
HBL, your chart is far better than O'LIElly's! And every bit as colorful!
The only drawback, is that yours is reality-related, and not too distantly related at that.
So we are to believe that Bill O'Reilly:
(1) Does not have a research assistant.
(2) Has a research assistant who does not know how to work a mouse button.
(3) Has a research assistant who knows how to find SOME records for one organization, but not for another organization.
(4) Lies out of his bootie.
Which do you think it is?
Well isn't that the pot calling the kettle propaganda!
George Soros funded MoveOn.org....MoveOn.org gave money to Mediamatters.org. Ipso facto George Soros's money has gone to MMFA.
Get a load of this guy. He sexually harrasses a staff person and somehow keeps his job. He works for one of if not THE biggest propoganda outfits the country has ever seen and he tries daily to convince people that he is some knd of ethical god. He lies daily about his political affiliations. He lies daily about his ratings. He somehow believes that he is this mega powerful force in this country who can influence policy. There are over 300 milllion people in this nation. As far as I can tell, about 3 million watch and listen to O'Lielly daily. We know that most of these "folks" are over 65. (Probably the kind of people who won't give your ball back when goes in their yard). Now, he starts this crusade against MMFA in which, he conveniently leaves out facts to "smear" others. I think the only answer to getting rid of these idiots (Hannity, Rush, Boortz, Oreilly, etc.) is to give them a helmet and gun and send them to the Anbar provence. What type of excuses would we hear then? Lying cowards, the whole lot of em!!!!!
Now, lookit! If Soros hadn't given the Tides Foundation a million bucks, the Tides Foundation wouldn't have had the million bucks to give MMFA. Ergo, MMFA got money from George Soros. HA! I've got you! Let's see ya wriggle out of THAT one!!!