On Fox's Special Report, Hume cited debunked Oregon Petition on global warming
SUMMARY: On Special Report, Brit Hume cited a column asserting that "a majority of astrophysicists and other solar scientists may in fact disagree with the conventional wisdom" on global warming and said that the author, Lawrence Solomon, "points out that almost 18,000 scientists signed a petition in opposition to the Kyoto Protocol." But the petition to which Hume and Solomon apparently referred has been disavowed by the National Academy of Sciences, and many of the signatures on the petition apparently belong to people who are not climate scientists.
On the June 4 edition of Fox News' Special Report, host and Fox News Washington managing editor Brit Hume cited a June 2 National Post column, which, according to Hume, asserted that "a majority of astrophysicists and other solar scientists may in fact disagree with the conventional wisdom" on global warming. The column, published in the Financial Post section of the Canadian newspaper, was written by Lawrence Solomon, National Post columnist and executive director of the Urban Renaissance Institute, who, Hume said, "points out that almost 18,000 scientists signed a petition in opposition to the Kyoto Protocol," an international agreement to limit production of greenhouse gases. But the petition to which Hume and Solomon apparently referred, the Oregon Petition, has been disavowed by the National Academy of Sciences (NAS), as Media Matters for America has noted. As Media Matters has also documented, many of the signatures on the petition apparently belong to people who are not climate experts -- and, in a few cases, are fictional characters.
The petition was sponsored by the Oregon Institute of Science and Medicine (OISM), which, according to PR Watch, describes itself as "a small research institute" that studies "biochemistry, diagnostic medicine, nutrition, preventive medicine, and the molecular biology of aging." Arthur Robinson, who founded OISM, was the lead author of a paper accompanying the petition, which asserted that the effects of increased levels of carbon dioxide are "a wonderful and unexpected gift from the Industrial Revolution." The petition further stated that "there is substantial scientific evidence that increases in atmospheric carbon dioxide produce many beneficial effects upon the natural plant and animal environments of the Earth."
The Associated Press reported on April 30, 1998, that Robinson is "a physical chemist," who "acknowledges he has done no direct research into global warming." The New York Times reported on April 22, 1998, that the paper "was printed in a format and type face similar" to that of the NAS journal. However, the NAS has denied any association with the paper, saying, "that the petition had 'nothing to do' with the academy and that the article was never published in the academy's journal," and clarifying that the petition "does not reflect the conclusion of expert reports of the academy."
Also circulated with the petition was a letter from Frederick Seitz, a former NAS president, that warned that "[t]he United States is very close to adopting" the Kyoto Protocol, which, according to Seitz, "would ration the use of energy and of technologies that depend upon coal, oil, and natural gas and some other organic compounds." Seitz added that "there is good evidence that increased atmospheric carbon dioxide is environmentally helpful." A June 5, 2000, item in Business Week reported that "[f]or 28 years, Seitz was also a paid director and shareholder of Ogden Corp., an operator of coal-burning power plants that stands to lose financially should the Kyoto Protocol become law." Business Week reported that Seitz "sold most of his 11,500 shares" of Ogden in 1999 -- after promoting the petition in 1998.
An article in the May 2006 edition of Vanity Fair by Mark Hertsgaard reported, in Hertsgaard's words, "in full for the first time," the real "overlap" -- exemplified by Seitz -- between "the people who deny the dangers of climate change" and the "tobacco executives who denied the dangers of smoking." Hertsgaard reported that after leaving the NAS, Seitz "helped R. J. Reynolds Industries, Inc., give away [$45 million] to fund medical research in the 1970s and 1980s," which "avoided the central health issue" of smoking and "served the tobacco industry's purposes," but that "as proof of its commitment to science," "the industry frequently ran ads in newspapers and magazines citing its multi-million-dollar research program." The article further reported that, in a paper he authored in the 1990s, Seitz "asserted that secondhand smoke posed no real health risks." The article added that Seitz is "chairman emeritus" of the George C. Marshall Institute, which is one of "an array of organizations" funded by ExxonMobil "to downplay the problem" of global warming.
From the May 2006 Vanity Fair article:
Call him the $45 million man. That's how much money Dr. Frederick Seitz, a former president of the National Academy of Sciences, helped R. J. Reynolds Industries, Inc., give away to fund medical research in the 1970s and 1980s. The research avoided the central health issue facing Reynolds -- "They didn't want us looking at the health effects of cigarette smoking," says Seitz, who is now 94 -- but it nevertheless served the tobacco industry's purposes. Throughout those years, the industry frequently ran ads in newspapers and magazines citing its multi-million-dollar research program as proof of its commitment to science -- and arguing that the evidence on the health effects of smoking was mixed.
In the 1990s, Seitz began arguing that the science behind global warming was likewise inconclusive and certainly didn't warrant imposing mandatory limits on greenhouse-gas emissions. He made his case vocally, trashing the integrity of a 1995 I.P.C.C. report on the op-ed page of The Wall Street Journal, signing a letter to the Clinton administration accusing it of misrepresenting the science, and authoring a paper which said that global warming and ozone depletion were exaggerated threats devised by environmentalists and unscrupulous scientists pushing a political agenda. In that same paper, Seitz asserted that secondhand smoke posed no real health risks, an opinion he repeats in our interview. "I just can't believe it's that bad," he says.
Al Gore and others have said, but generally without offering evidence, that the people who deny the dangers of climate change are like the tobacco executives who denied the dangers of smoking. The example of Frederick Seitz, described here in full for the first time, shows that the two camps overlap in ways that are quite literal -- and lucrative. Seitz earned approximately $585,000 for his consulting work for R. J. Reynolds, according to company documents unearthed by researchers for the Greenpeace Web site ExxonSecrets.org and confirmed by Seitz. Meanwhile, during the years he consulted for Reynolds, Seitz continued to draw a salary as president emeritus at Rockefeller University, an institution founded in 1901 and subsidized with profits from Standard Oil, the predecessor corporation of ExxonMobil.
Seitz was the highest-ranking scientist among a band of doubters who, beginning in the early 1990s, resolutely disputed suggestions that climate change was a real and present danger. As a former president of the National Academy of Sciences (from 1962 to 1969) and a winner of the National Medal of Science, Seitz gave such objections instant credibility. Richard Lindzen, a professor of meteorology at M.I.T., was another high-profile scientist who consistently denigrated the case for global warming. But most of the public argument was carried by lesser scientists and, above all, by lobbyists and paid spokesmen for the Global Climate Coalition. Created and funded by the energy and auto industries, the Coalition spent millions of dollars spreading the message that global warming was an uncertain threat. Journalist Ross Gelbspan exposed the corporate campaign in his 1997 book, The Heat Is On, which quoted a 1991 strategy memo: the goal was to "reposition global warming as theory rather than fact."
"Not trivial" is how Seitz reckons the influence he and fellow skeptics have had, and their critics agree. The effect on media coverage was striking, according to Bill McKibben, who in 1989 published the first major popular book on global warming, The End of Nature. Introducing the 10th-anniversary edition, in 1999, McKibben noted that virtually every week over the past decade studies had appeared in scientific publications painting an ever more alarming picture of the global-warming threat. Most news reports, on the other hand, "seem to be coming from some other planet."
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ExxonMobil -- long the most recalcitrant corporation on global warming -- is still spending millions of dollars a year funding an array of organizations that downplay the problem, including the George C. Marshall Institute, where Seitz is chairman emeritus. John Passacantando, executive director of Greenpeace USA, calls the denial campaign "one of the great crimes of our era." Passacantando is "quite confident" that class-action lawsuits will eventually be filed against corporations who denied global warming's dangers. Five years ago, he told executives from one company, "You're going to wish you were the tobacco companies once this stuff hits and people realize you were the ones who blocked [action]."
Further, in its April 22, 1998, article, the Times reported that "[o]f the 15,000 signers of the petition [at the time], Dr. Robinson said, about 2,100 were physicists, geophysicists, climatologists and meteorologists, 'and of those the greatest number are physicists.' " According to a May 1, 1998, AP article, the petition at one time included the names, "Drs. 'Frank Burns,' 'Honeycutt' and 'Pierce' (Remember the trio from M*A*S*H?), not to mention the Spice Girl, a.k.a. Geraldine Halliwell, who was on the petition as 'Dr. Geri Halliwel' and again as simply 'Dr. Halliwell.' "
From the June 4 edition of Fox News' Special Report with Brit Hume:
HUME: And a former adviser to President Carter's Global Environment Task Force and one of Canada's leading environmentalists is disputing the claim that there is a scientific consensus on the human origins of global warming.
Lawrence Solomon writes in the Financial Post that a majority of astrophysicists and other solar scientists may in fact disagree with the conventional wisdom. He points out that almost 18,000 scientists signed a petition in opposition to the Kyoto Protocol, and he says a survey of the National Registry of Environmental Professionals found that only 59 percent believe human activities were largely responsible for global warming.















Hume and FOX seem to be targeting Global Warming lately. They seem to have some campaign to discredit the true effects of Global Warming and the future destruction of our planet because of human behavior and greed which has had an effect on our enviornment. Keep up the lies FOX maybe someone will believe them.
I think it has to do with baby bush's Rapture concept. They want out soon and suicide is a sin. That is how much they hate America. I often wondered what happened to LURCH. Is hume talking or does he have chronic gas?
Chronic Gas
I am going to find a global warming expert to say the hot air generated by the fake noos channels talking heads is responsible for global warming. I found him Dr. Merkin Skankbush. So much for goober o'reilly
Couldn't they get any Scientologists or Christian Scientists on that petition?
The funny thing is, science is not "American Idol."
No matter how many names they can get on a piece of paper, they still have to actually conduct some research.
Fox has a problem coming its way. It's called Rupert Murdoch, y'know the guy who OWNS Fox. Thing is, Rupert has seen the light and now believes in global warming - indeed has signed up to make News Corporation carbon neutral. Check out
[link to theclimategroup.org] wait until the penny drops and Rupert realizes what Hume and his mates at Fox are up to...
bye bye special Fox bloggers Steve "junk science" milloy and the Heartland Institute.
heh heh heh
Here is an article about Global Warming Insanity backed up by a Climate Scientist.
http://copiousdissent.blogspot.com/2007/05/global-warming-insanity.html
His work has been peer-reviewed.
This is a link to an unsigned blog entry.
Has "Devil's Advocate" also published scientific research in a refereed journal?
I tend to respect peer-reviewed scientists who use professional wrestling names.
LDo, thanks again for linking to one of the most feeble GOP sites ever.An anonymous blog entry made up of the same childish arguments that have been laughed off of this site for months.
I will give you comedy credit for this gem;
"Lastly, whenever you hear someone say the IPCC report states that an overwhelming number of scientists support its findings on man-made Global Warming, let that person know that many of its lead authors don’t agree with its findings"
So, many of the people responsible for these findings don't agree with their own findings? That's one even Rush might not be able to get out of his gob without busting into laughter.
Keep up the good work.
Yeah, but I do love that picture of Al...
I actually agree with much of what the Devil's advocate says about the nature of science and the value of debate. I disagree with people who believe the issue is completely settled. As far as I am concerned there are very few things in science that are completely settled.
We do need to go forward with the best understanding we have of science with regards to policy decisions most of the time.
I don't see any evidence to backup your statement that "devil's advocate" is indeed peer-reviewed. The cockiness and sarcasm with which he writes does not really seem appropriate for a reputable scientist either, but he may well be.
"devil's advocate" seems to be an authority on just about everything on that phony web site.
That was some fun reading. I liked the part where he said "an increase in temperature can cause an increase in CO2" implying that the CO2 rise is not man made. Of course that's true if you forget the chemical equation for burnig fossil fuels, the isotope ratio evidence and the fact that CO2 is increasing in the air, oceans and biomass.
In other words, discard the facts and the guy has a good point.
Today New York registered a blip on the global warming radar of extreme proportions. Upon further investigation it was determined to be caused by Brittany Humes blowing it out of his @ss.
LURCH believes his ancestors herded dinosaurs and the Grand Canyon was created overnight by a glacial melt. When surgeons do brain surgery on these people they have to use toilet paper. Moronic nonsense to keep their moral majority audience. These people are less important than a dust mite.
Seitz is 94, so perhaps he will be experiencing a much warmer climate before too long. Then he might wish he hadn't been a shill for the tobacco and oil companies.
They call this a consensus?
What of the one claim that we hear over and over again, that 2,000 or 2,500 of the world's top scientists endorse the IPCC position? I asked the IPCC for their names, to gauge their views. "The 2,500 or so scientists you are referring to are reviewers from countries all over the world," the IPCC Secretariat responded. "The list with their names and contacts will be attached to future IPCC publications, which will hopefully be on-line in the second half of 2007."
An IPCC reviewer does not assess the IPCC's comprehensive findings. He might only review one small part of one study that later becomes one small input to the published IPCC report. Far from endorsing the IPCC reports, some reviewers, offended at what they considered a sham review process, have demanded that the IPCC remove their names from the list of reviewers. One even threatened legal action when the IPCC refused.
http://www.canada.com/nationalpost/financialpost/story.html?id=c47c1209-233b-412c-b6d1-5c755457a8af
Do you have to bring that up, Leather? There are a lot of suicidal minds here, and that will just push'em farther.
You're belittling a religion here. Dontcha know only the choir gets to do that?
Wrong. Science is not a religion.
Again, why should I believe some right-wing blowhards rather than the best scientist in the world?
Solomon interviewed some of the best scientists in the world if you read the series. Also, many of the top scientists in the world have come out against man-produced global warming.
Yes, the National Post is conservative -- FOR CANADA. That does not equate to right wing blowhards.
How do you know the top scientists support a consensus. The IPCC hasn't even released their list or their claims of the science behind it. Talk about a sham.
solomon uses the discredited oregon report as part of his proof.
Again, and again, and again I have asked this simple question, with nary a response from the deniers:
Research. Not opinions, editorials, blogs orscribblings on bathroom walls... where is the good, solid research to back up the wild assertion that the work of hundreds of scientists over decades is just a scam to get more reasearch money?
Put up, gentlemen, or STFU.
God you are a blowhard! You use a piece from a right wing newspaper. Sorry, but again, let me point out that this is not a peer reviewed article. When you show me a peer reviewed article, I'll actually take it seriously.
Why should I listen to some blowhard rather than the best scientist in the world?
The problem with the global warming deniers is that they adhere to a religion much like those who believe in a literal interpretation of the bible. No matter how much proof you bring up to show that they are wrong, they can't be convinced. God put those dinosaur bones there to test our faith, they will claim when you show them bones dating back milions of years.
The religious dogmatist eagerly embrace the newest faux science to support their claims. When this faux science is debunked, they simply move on to next faux science. There is no way to convince these people because they have no shame at being wrong continuously, and there will always be more faux science.
So it is with the people who deny global warming. Here is a supposedly damning article by Lawrence Solomon. But the article turns out the be a farce. In fact, none of the ten scientist are deniers:
http://www.newenglishreview.org/blog_display.cfm/blog_id/7920
Your source is a joke, Leatherhelmet, once again. But I know that you will pretend you never made a huge mistake next time. You will be back citing the latest faux science, without the least bit of embarrassment.
funnymanpants , every days a brand new world for those with no memory or shame.
Excellent comparison of the GW and evolution I find this pretty fascinating too.People believe something simply because they've been told to.
All of the evidence points to the other side being right.
They demand irrefutable, demonstrable proof, to their satisfaction.
Satisfying them is impossible, as their driving force is to fight the truth, and cling to their beliefs.
They declare the other side a religion for understanding something that they refuse, or are unable, to understand.
They then declare their faith "The Truth" by default. It's fun to watch.
LOL. Your source, Hugh Fitzgerald is neither a climatologist nor did he do a series of articles interviewing top scientists on both sides of the issue.
In fact, he wants to dump Kyoto, the EU and UN. I have read Fitzgerald's work on jihadwatch and know he is not a climatologist.
By the way, Fitzgerald's article was before Soloman's latest piece where he admitted he thought he had proved a global warming consensus yet the more he interviewed top scientists showed there was not a consensus.
"On the general issue of global warming I am ignorant, though I see that reducing our dependence on fossil fuel is essential. But Kyoto? Belongs in the dustbin of history, like the EU, the UN and all other supranational crap.
22 Dec 2006Hugh Fitzgerald You'll get no argument from me."http://www.nashvillecountryrvpark.com/blog_display.cfm?blog_id=4264Opinions are great, and valuable, and everybody has one.
The only issue I have is elevating mere opinion to the level of peer-reviewed science for the purposes of determining public policy.
By all means, let's have the best minds in science the deniers can find do their level best to demolish the consensus view on anthropogenic global climate change. Please? Soon. And if they fail to do so, could we, you know, take action already?
The longer we wait, the harder it's going to be. I have a thirty-five mile commute (each way) and it is going to suck ass to have to do that on a bike because the deniers let the clock run out on less painful solutions...
God you are dumb. You post an article that is so wrong that the publication had to issue a retraction. I point this out, and you completely switch the topic and start your post with "LOL," as if we will be fooled.
We are not.
Whether Hughs is a climatologist is completely irrelevant, as you know. You don't have to be a climatologist to look at someones work and determine it is bogus.
None of the scientist who Solomon claims to be deniers are in fact deniers. They actually believe in global warming. Solomon's article is a huge lie. Do you care to address this issue?
What is ironic is in my last thread I posted how the global warming deniers were like the religious dogmatist who want to interpret the bible literally. Whenever you disprove either group wrong, they simply switch the argument without any shame, as if they weren't dead wrong.
That is exactly what you did.
the article leather has posted has a date of june 2. and mr. solomon offers the same discredited oregon study that this thread is about. so much for his honesty.
Discredited?
Scientific American took a sample of 30 of the 1,400 signatories claiming to hold a Ph.D. in a climate-related science. Of the 26 we were able to identify in various databases, 11 said they still agreed with the petition —- one was an active climate researcher, two others had relevant expertise, and eight signed based on an informal evaluation. Six said they would not sign the petition today, three did not remember any such petition, one had died, and five did not answer repeated messages. Crudely extrapolating, the petition supporters include a core of about 200 climate researchers – a respectable number, though rather a small fraction of the climatological community.[10]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oregon_Petition
actually your link is quite critical of the "study", including their false attempt to connect themselves to the national academy of sciences, which was rebutted by the academy.
GASP, you mean that, gasp, the petition signed by THOUSANDS OF SCIENTISTS is, gasp, FAKE? OH, SAY IT AIN'T SO.
Global warming deniers. Pretty sad bunch. Despite the overwhelming consensus of credible scientists (not working for the oil companies), they still try to fog things up.
I wonder if they really are that deaf blind and dumb, and ever wonder if they might be wrong. And how devastating it would be for their children and grandchildren if they were wrong, and because of them, we did nothing.
the fact is that the deniers are always claiming it's going to cost too much money to reverse warming even if it is proven. the auto companies did that in the 70's when mileage standards were forced on them, but they did what was required within the time frame and at far less expense than they claimed. we are saving today because of those standards forced on cars years ago. the cost of being wrong on global warming is too much to gamble on, when we can take relatively inexpensive measures now.
Funny Media Matters does not mention that the fake doctor names like Dr. Halliwell were submitted by environmental activists trying to undermine the project.
so it was that easy to submit something? you've conceded the argument.
when they locked up galileo it was sad but expected. however, the sun being the center of the solar system was not a major threat to the planet, only to their fragile hold on reality. science has always battled the zealots and the morons. it has frequently been silenced. but in the end it has overwhelmingly been proven correct. now science is telling us something that has the potential to drastically alter life on this planet. i sure hope people listen this time around.
i also hope that all you people who stand against the scientific consensus tell your grandchildren about it because i think they should know who did nothing, who stood in the way of stopping a disaster, who made their world the way it will be. in fact i think there should be a web site with the names of all these people for future generations to see. we don't know the names of most of the people who silenced galileo but we know who is taking this ridiculous stand today.