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Months after "Last word," Insight offered another bogus, contradictory defense of Obama-madrassa story

June 13, 2007 6:45 pm ET

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In a June 7 post, the editors of InsightMag.com defended their widely debunked January 17 article, which reported that "researchers connected to" Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton (D-NY) had claimed that Sen. Barack Obama (D-IL) "spent at least four years in a so-called Madrassa, or Muslim seminary, in Indonesia." InsightMag.com now falsely claims that "[t]he Los Angeles Times and The New York Sun did a follow-up piece that largely substantiates much of our original article's claims about Obama's Muslim background -- namely, that he had one."

The "original article's claims about Obama's Muslim background" were not, as InsightMag.com now claims, "that he had one"; the article went much further than merely claiming that Obama had a "Muslim background." In that "original article," InsightMag.com asserted that the Clinton campaign had discovered that Obama had attended a madrassa as a child. Indeed, InsightMag.com editor Jeffrey T. Kuhner made very clear in a commentary two weeks later what it was that InsightMag.com had and had not claimed about "Obama's Muslim background." Kuhner wrote on January 31: "Insight never claimed -- not once -- that Obama had attended an Indonesian Madrassa as a young boy. What we did claim -- and stand behind 100 percent -- is that the Hillary Clinton camp had conducted an investigation into Obama's Muslim background, and they had concluded he had been raised and educated as a Muslim."

Moreover, Kuhner made very clear in that same op-ed what InsightMag.com regarded as the "real issue" exposed in the "original article." Responding to a New York Times article on the madrassa claim, Kuhner wrote: "The Times is trying to obscure the real issue: Hillary Clinton's campaign had been conducting extensive opposition research on her main '08 Democratic rival, and they were zeroing in on his Muslim background." Given what InsightMag.com claimed was the "real issue" -- that the Clinton campaign was allegedly conducting opposition research on "Obama's Muslim background" -- the Los Angeles Times piece (which, contrary to InsightMag.com's suggestion, was merely reprinted in The New York Sun under a different headline) can hardly be said to "substantiate[]" InsightMag.com's claims in the original article. The Los Angeles Times article called the madrassa claim -- which has been soundly debunked -- "false" and, regarding the claim that the Clinton campaign was behind the madrassa rumor, "[b]oth campaigns denied the story and accused conservative media outlets of trying to use the rumor to smear two Democratic hopefuls simultaneously." Moreover, key portions of the "substantiating" Los Angeles Times article were later challenged by the Chicago Tribune, as Media Matters for America documented.

On January 17, InsightMag.com reported:

Are the American people ready for an elected president who was educated in a Madrassa as a young boy and has not been forthcoming about his Muslim heritage?

This is the question Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton's camp is asking about Sen. Barack Obama.

An investigation of Mr. Obama by political opponents within the Democratic Party has discovered that Mr. Obama was raised as a Muslim by his stepfather in Indonesia. Sources close to the background check, which has not yet been released, said Mr. Obama, 45, spent at least four years in a so-called Madrassa, or Muslim seminary, in Indonesia.

"He was a Muslim, but he concealed it," the source said. "His opponents within the Democrats hope this will become a major issue in the campaign."

After the story had been touted by conservative radio hosts and Fox News, CNN sent a reporter to Indonesia, who reported on January 22 that "[a]llegations that Sen. Barack Obama was educated in a radical Muslim school known as a 'madrassa' are not accurate." The next day, InsightMag.com dismissed CNN's reporting, claiming that it "does not satisfy our standards for aggressive investigative reporting" and strenuously denied that it had made any allegations about Obama attending a madrassa:

But, contrary to their claims, CNN didn't debunk anything about our story. For the record, Insight never -- not once -- in its article claims that Obama went to a Madrassa. We didn't claim it; Hillary's people did. We reported -- and we fully stand by our story -- that the Hillary Clinton camp had conducted their own opposition research on Obama's Muslim past, and that the Clinton investigators had concluded Obama had attended a Madrassa. This is what Hillary's camp was saying and desperately trying to prove -- not Insight.

On January 31, Kuhner responded to a January 29 New York Times article that described InsightMag.com's madrassa story as "false," "discredited," and "dubious," writing:

Insight never claimed -- not once -- that Obama had attended an Indonesian Madrassa as a young boy. What we did claim -- and stand behind 100 percent -- is that the Hillary Clinton camp had conducted an investigation into Obama's Muslim background, and they had concluded he had been raised and educated as a Muslim. In fact, our sources close to the Hillary camp confirmed that the investigators were planning to leak this information to their media allies later this fall -- just before the '08 primary campaign. Moreover, our sources also confirmed that the Hillary camp was going to make the issue not so much Obama's Muslim background, but the fact that he had concealed or downplayed it. According to the strategy of the Clinton camp, Obama's alleged concealment and deception was to be the issue -- not so much his Muslim heritage. We also reported that the Hillary camp was investigating whether Obama had actually attended a radical Madrassa -- and that Clinton's investigators were in the process of trying to find that out.

The Times is trying to obscure the real issue: Hillary Clinton's campaign had been conducting extensive opposition research on her main '08 Democratic rival, and they were zeroing in on his Muslim background. This is the truth. This is exactly what we actually reported. This is what actually happened. We got it first and we got it right. No amount of spinning and mud-slinging from the liberal media can change this.

On February 1, InsightMag.com offered its "[l]ast word" on the matter, in which the website appeared to accept the veracity of CNN's reporting but continued to deny that it had made any claims about Obama's past:

Insight reported on January 17 that the opposition research war room of presidential contender Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton was conducting a background check on Senator Barack Obama's years in Jakarta, Indonesia, which would conclude that "the young Obama was enrolled in a Madrassa and was raised and educated as a Muslim."

Under the headline, "Hillary's team has questions about Obama's Muslim background," Insight cited reports from its very credible sources that the opposition research is seeking hard evidence that Mr. Obama is still a Muslim or has ties to Islam. A Hillary Clinton spokesman has denied any involvement.

The Insight report ignited a controversy with numerous articles and columns from mainstream media operations including CNN, The Washington Post and The New York Times. Some from the mainstream media reported that the claims about Obama were being made by Insight. This is incorrect. Rather, Insight was reporting information our sources said was part of the Clinton camp's opposition research and potential campaign strategy against an opponent.

CNN, and others in the traditional print and broadcast media followed up on Insight's intelligence report and went to the school in Indonesia Obama attended as a boy. CNN reported that the school is not now and never was a Madrassa.

On June 7, however, InsightMag.com again reversed itself, claiming that it had, in fact, made "claims about Obama's Muslim background," and that these claims had been "largely substantiate[d]":

Earlier this year, when Insight published a story that the Hillary Clinton camp was investigating Barack Obama's Muslim background, some media outlets attempted to divert attention from the story by misrepresenting the story and Insight's motivation in publishing it.

CNN claimed to have "debunked" our story. Of course, they did no such thing, as our response made clear. The New York Times then tried to do a hatchet job on Insight's credibility. But our rebuttal piece exposed the numerous blatant misrepresentations in The Times' article.

So where does that leave Insight on the issue? We're happy to see that The Los Angeles Times and The New York Sun did a follow-up piece that largely substantiates much of our original article's claims about Obama's Muslim background -- namely, that he had one. Who was right, the mainstream media or Insight? We at Insight invite the readers to decide.

InsightMag.com was referring to the March 15 Los Angeles Times article, reproduced in the New York Sun under a different headline, which reported: "As a boy in Indonesia, Barack Obama crisscrossed the religious divide. At the local primary school, he prayed in thanks to a Catholic saint. In the neighborhood mosque, he bowed to Allah." The article based much of its reporting on "Zulfin Adi, who describes himself as among Obama's closest childhood friends." The Times quoted him as saying: "We prayed but not really seriously, just following actions done by older people in the mosque. But as kids, we loved to meet our friends and went to the mosque together and played," and, "His mother often went to the church, but Barry was Muslim. He went to the mosque. ... I remember him wearing a sarong."

However, as Media Matters noted, a March 25 Chicago Tribune article challenged much of the Times' reporting, noting that Adi said "he was not certain" about his claim that Obama "regularly attended Friday prayers" at the mosque with his stepfather and that he "only knew Obama for a few months, during 1970, when his family moved to the neighborhood." The Tribune further reported: "Interviews with dozens of former classmates, teachers, neighbors and friends show that Obama was not a regular practicing Muslim when he was in Indonesia."

Moreover, the Times article in no way corroborated InsightMag.com's original claim that the Clinton campaign had researched and released this information. This allegation remains completely unsubstantiated.

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    • Author by duncan12347948 (June 13, 2007 7:04 pm ET)
         

      "[b]oth campaigns denied the story. Therefore it has been debunked? Right.

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      • Author by laserpotato (June 13, 2007 7:23 pm ET)
           

        I suppose YOU have proof it's true.

        Go ahead. We're waiting.

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        • Author by open_mind (June 14, 2007 1:39 pm ET)
             

          You nailed it. Just another poster trying transparently to rearrange the burden of proof.

          If I only had a nickel...

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      • Author by HuntingtonBeachLefty (June 13, 2007 7:23 pm ET)
           

        Which story, Duncan?

        And remember,Obama is magical.

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      • Author by laserpotato (June 13, 2007 7:28 pm ET)
           

        Again, his friends and neighbors can attest to the fact that he was not even a practicing Muslim at the time. Are you insisting that they are all lying? Did Obama brainwash them? Ha ha ha ha ha!

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      • Author by Graydogs (June 13, 2007 7:53 pm ET)
           

        No, the denial of both campaigns has NOTHING to do with debunking this story.

        READ the links. CNN dispatched Senior International Correspondent John Vause to Jakarta to investigate. He visited the Basuki school which is a public school, and has various religions in attendance. He found it hasn't changed much since Obama attended. It's NOT a Madrassa, and never was...debunked!

        Insight's article is like a whisper campaign.....insert a name, or say "someone says", and then pull a story out of your butt and report it as being said by your "source". Heaven forbid should they investigate the story for TRUTH....

        Oh yeah...that would be what they don't want to do. The whole point of a whisper type campaign is, spread the story....say someone else said it...and then deny having anything to do with spreading it. 

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        • Author by captfoster2 (June 14, 2007 5:21 am ET)
             

          I have no doubt they reported the story and attempted to refute or verify the facts.......

          My money is on the fact that they were finding out that it was all a bogus story to begin with and that they simply have a hatred of Obama.....

          So they 'reported' on what they wanted the truth to be and not what the truth really is!

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    • Author by conleytgwinn (June 13, 2007 7:53 pm ET)
         

      Journalists undertake to provide information with credible sourcing - 2 is the standard minimum, although editors sometimes allow single-sourced reporting when it is clear that only that one source can know the thing reported.

      With or without both campaigns denying this pustule's original report, until Insight steps forward with substantiation of their alleged sourcing, due to lack of journalistic effort to verify the report they issued, and the negation of every other aspect of the report by those choosing to apply that journalistic effort, they remain unpersuasive liars.

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    • Author by Sagra (June 13, 2007 8:17 pm ET)
         

      >> "He was a Muslim, but he concealed it," the source said. "His opponents within the Democrats hope this will become a major issue in the campaign."

      Although the source was clever enough to avoid saying "within the Democrat party," he could not overcome his winger conditioning enough to actually pronounce "within the Democratic party."  Thus the odd "opponents within the Democrats" usage.

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    • Author by edenscape246494 (June 13, 2007 8:37 pm ET)
         

      The Hussein bit is getting old fast, not that the low end of the am dial will let it die

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      • Author by wzwriter (June 14, 2007 5:09 pm ET)
           

        Is that the low end of the AM dial frequency-wise, or IQ-wise?

        Or both?

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    • Author by fatty (June 13, 2007 10:13 pm ET)
         

      I love that the argument is about whether or not it's been debunked, not whether or not there's any merit to the claim in the first place. But all you need to do is say the word "muslim" to throw people into a panic.

      Arthur Miller is rolling in his grave.

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    • Author by eweston8542983 (June 13, 2007 11:35 pm ET)
         

      Insite's people seem to be confused on which version of their story their supposed to be spreading. Not up to the usual conservative media standards of synchononized missinformation spreading

      Fatty: I don't get the Arther Miller refference?

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    • Author by tman418 (June 14, 2007 12:34 am ET)
         

      Here is another segment from Insightmag.com's first rebuttal on the 23rd of January.

       

      "The media uproar over our reporting reveals a media establishment choosing not to ask the tough questions about Obama's Muslim past: If he was raised in a secular household (as he claims), why does he have -- or retain -- Muslim names, Barack and Hussein?

      Why would they initially agree that the story was false, but then ask these stupid questions as if the story were true (which they seem to believe it is)? And why do they expect someone to change their name if they aren't Muslim?

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    • Author by writingindependence (June 14, 2007 10:55 am ET)
         

      ·         We should also ask when the media doesn't matter.  Non-issues promote a stagnation ruse in order to cloud how pressing issues have been smokescreened and shelved for the time being in order for the population to keep being hurt--by what's causing the autism/mental retardation epidemic (fluoridation of PDW) for example.Will Senator Obama, if elected, trade American children's futures down the drain the way all his former office peers have?  HMOs like a sick population with all the chronic aftermaths of fluoridated systematic poisoning of drinking water.  The damage is cumulative, attacks the bones, marrow, brainstem, genome, and has led to many epidemic and unreported patterns of anomalous disease:  osteoporosis, leukemia, anoxic brain injury into spectra of mental retardation (oxygen starvation from natural sleep paralysis going unsupported by regular respiration), and a host of systemic genetic disorders and syndromes.The science dilemma in America, along with medical, is even evident in how the factual DARPA 'inventors of the internet' would spitefully insinuate politicians they hate would claim something they helped to build.  This demonstrates how the academic and government R&D nexus along with its blank check writer (the cult of corruption in Washington D.C.) imperil the American people and the world. They reveal a priding chauvinism that feels it is the rightful owner of science, technology and human scientific understanding--so they used Al Gore for a mockery to puff themselves up some more.  Sick puppies; duck and cover.  

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    • Author by edgarfield (June 14, 2007 11:22 am ET)
         

      The two main fallacies of Insight's story is first that Obama has hidden his Muslim heritage. His name alone denies that. If he had chosen to hide this part of his life, he no doubt would have changed his name at some point. The second fallacy is that they are implying that all madrassa's a radical centers of terrorism. The period in time in question would have been in the sixties or early seventies in Indonesia. At this time, Indonesia had not been affected by radical wasabi teachings, which took root in the eighties along with Saudi money to prop up Indonesia as an oil rich country.

      In addition, Insight's play of journalistic semantics is a farce on the whole business of journalism. When you report something, you are reporting something. To claim you are reporting something that someone else did is just poor journalism. You should stand behind your sources. You should stand behind what your publish.  Its a play right of the Fox News playbook. We can say anything about anybody and you have to prove us wrong and if you do we simply claim we didn't say it.  

        

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    • Author by writingindependence (June 14, 2007 11:52 am ET)
         

      'Guilt by association', a standard implement of personality destruction can't qualify unless the attachment is stronger than merely a heritage issue, participation in religious organizations and so forth.

      On the other hand, Bush having a brother, Marvin, involved in getting rid of bomb sniffing K-9 partrolls in the World Trade Center shortly before they were blown up, is a far more condemning association.

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    • Author by Limit Corp. Ownership (June 14, 2007 1:27 pm ET)
         

      Wow ...

      These scumbags are now in the practice of recycling their own scum.

      Has lying become synonomous with being conservative?

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    • Author by swift (June 14, 2007 2:09 pm ET)
         

      Oh, wait a minute. I must be on the wrong website. The right-wing trolls on Media Matters told me this site was just a Hillary for President site. Why then are they bothering with Obama? And they told me that the "source" was in the Hillary camp. Can somebody please supply me a name?

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    • Author by writingindependence (June 14, 2007 4:09 pm ET)
         

      The prime example of non-issue, straw-herring media diversion was of course the beach ball equivalent of batting around the Scooter Libby story. What it shows us about media orchestrations is two fold: a weak association can be blown out of proportion for the spotlight and playing the victim (Plame) in order to illustrate the only preferntial dispensing of justice, i.e. protecting the inner sanctum's very identities, rather than prosecuting who pyrotechnically detonated the 9-11 buildings under the false pretenses of yet a second shell game diversion involving suspicious crash sites, missing wreckage and within months the arrival of hundreds of displaced stiffs in Florida and Georgia.

      The beachball is of course the alluring 'spy-girl' Val Plame, who goes on to further mock heroics testifying before Congress, and the pigeon toed ooh'ing and aweing of enamored post adolescents who couldn't possibly merit authority, their obstruction's worth in the system or any respect. All a fiction to keep everyone looking the wrong direction. The critical upturning and dissection of media is what matters, never anything it's putting out for snacks and lite fare.

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