CNN's Roberts, Wash. Post's Cohen said Libby was "not" the leaker of Plame's CIA identity
On the June 18 edition of CNN's The Situation Room, Republican presidential candidate and former Massachusetts Gov. Mitt Romney (R) asserted that former vice presidential chief of staff I. Lewis "Scooter" Libby was "not the source of the leak" of then-CIA operative Valerie Plame's identity, to which CNN correspondent John Roberts replied, "Right." Similarly, Washington Post columnist Richard Cohen asserted in his June 19 column that special counsel Patrick J. Fitzgerald "wound up prosecuting not the leaker -- Richard Armitage of the State Department -- but Libby," who was "convicted in the end of lying," as Cohen wrote. But while Armitage leaked Plame's identity to syndicated columnist Robert D. Novak, who revealed that information in a July 14, 2003, column, evidence and testimony at Libby's trial on charges of obstruction of justice, perjury, and false statements showed that Libby was a source of the information about Plame's CIA employment for at least two other journalists.
As journalist Murray Waas noted in his book The United States v. I. Lewis Libby (Union Square Press, June 2007), former New York Times reporter Judith Miller testified on January 30 that Libby had disclosed Plame's CIA employment to her at a July 8, 2003, breakfast meeting at the St. Regis Hotel in Washington, D.C., well before Novak publicly revealed it in his July 14, 2003, column. From the edited trial transcript of Miller's January 30 testimony, included in Waas' book:
Q: Did there come a time following the publication of [Ambassador Joseph] Wilson's op-ed [July 6, 2003] that you met with Mr. Libby again?
A: Yes.
Q: When was that?
A: July 8th.
[...]
Q: Was there discussion at any time about Mr. Wilson's wife [Plame] on this occasion?
A: Yes.
Q: Can you tell us what you recall about that?
A: Yes. Mr. Libby was discussing what he called two streams of reporting on uranium and on efforts by Iraq to acquire sensitive materials and components. He said the first stream was reports like that of Joe Wilson. Then he said the second stream, and at that point he said, once again, as an aside, that Mr. Wilson's wife worked at WINPAC.
Q: Can you tell us what WINPAC is?
A: Yes, WINPAC is, stands for Weapons Intelligence Non-Proliferation and Arms Control. It's a part of the CIA which is specifically focused on weapons of mass destruction.
Then-Time magazine White House correspondent Matthew Cooper, in his first-person account (subscription required) of his testimony before the grand jury in the leak investigation, identified Rove as his original source for Plame's identity and Libby as his confirming source.
Roberts also failed to challenge Romney's assertion that what was "unusual" was Fitzgerald's "decision ... to investigate a case when he knew there was no crime that had originally been committed." In fact, during the October 2005 press conference announcing Libby's indictment, Fitzgerald said that it was Libby's obstruction that prevented the special counsel's office from determining if an underlying crime had been committed. Moreover, Fitzgerald, in his sentencing memorandum, stated that the investigation turned up substantial evidence indicating that the leak itself may have constituted a crime:
During its investigation, the grand jury obtained substantial evidence indicating that one or both of the foregoing statutes [the Intelligence Identities Protection Act or the Espionage Act] may have been violated. The evidence obtained by the grand jury, and later presented at trial, established that information concerning Ms. Wilson's CIA-employment was disclosed to multiple members of the news media, including Robert Novak, Judith Miller, Matt Cooper, Walter Pincus and Bob Woodward, none of whom were authorized to receive that information. The disclosures were made by multiple high-level government officials, including defendant. The evidence demonstrated that defendant, in particular, made the disclosures deliberately and for the purpose of influencing media coverage of the public debate concerning intelligence leading to the war in Iraq.
From the June 18 edition of CNN's The Situation Room:
ROBERTS: At one of the debates, you were asked about Scooter Libby -- should he be pardoned. You said, "That's something I would have to think about very hard." You'd consider it or consider it.
ROMNEY: Well, any time that someone brings forward a request for a pardon, you have to thoroughly evaluate it. In this case, there's an unusual circumstance, and that is that the prosecutor who investigated Scooter Libby knew at the time of the investigation that Scooter Libby was not the source of the -- of the leak.
ROBERTS: Right.
ROMNEY: He knew it was someone else, and so he was on the quintessential fishing expedition -- an entrapment proceeding, if you will, and ---
ROBERTS: But he was convicted by a jury.
ROMNEY: Oh, he was -- absolutely. Quite the --
ROBERTS: And you said, as Massachusetts governor, you prided yourself on the fact that you did not issue a pardon or commute anyone's sentence, because you said you didn't want to overturn a jury decision.
ROMNEY: And what was unusual here is not the jury's decision. It is, instead, the decision of the prosecutor to prosecute a case and to investigate a case when he knew there was no crime that had originally been committed. That's --
ROBERTS: Yet the jury looked at the evidence and decided that he was a guilty of a crime.
ROMNEY: The jury decided that he was guilty of the -- of changing his story and of perjury. What the jury did not consider is whether the prosecutor entrapped him and pursued the course out of a political vendetta as opposed to pursuing a real crime, and the reason this is, in my view, a subject for careful review is because of the unusual circumstances associated with the prosecution of this case.
From Cohen's June 19 Washington Post column:
The attorney general called a meeting. He assembled all the U.S. attorneys in the Great Hall of the Justice Department and told them, in essence, that their chief responsibility was to decide whom not to prosecute. They should limit themselves to cases "in which the offense is the most flagrant, the public harm the greatest" and play no role in political vendettas. The speaker, of course, was not the lamentable Alberto Gonzales but the estimable Robert H. Jackson, who went on to the Supreme Court. This was 1940, but Jackson could have been talking to Patrick J. Fitzgerald. Whatever the case, the special counsel was not listening.
With the sentencing of I. Lewis "Scooter" Libby, Fitzgerald has apparently finished his work, which was, not to put too fine a point on it, to make a mountain out of a molehill. At the urging of the liberal press (especially the New York Times), he was appointed to look into a run-of-the-mill leak and wound up prosecuting not the leaker -- Richard Armitage of the State Department -- but Libby, convicted in the end of lying. This is not an entirely trivial matter since government officials should not lie to grand juries, but neither should they be called to account for practicing the dark art of politics. As with sex or real estate, it is often best to keep the lights off.















it was a coordinated effort by rove and libby to out plame to journalists and to hide the fact that they were doing so. cohen is totally irresponsible to pass this off as the "dark art of politics".
Naturally, everything is Rove's fault. Rumor is he manufactures Co2 in his backyard. Come to think of it, there are a lot of trees back there.
Cohen's point is simple and logical:
I don't like prosecutors going after someone who didn't commit the original crime. They have too much power; they can go after almost anybody.
Armitage was the leaker, Fiztgerald knew it, but had to save face by going after someone for something.
Clinton lied to a grand jury. This would've put the rest of us in jail for 27-30 months under federal sentencing guidelines.
How much time did he serve?
THE leaker, like it makes sense that only one person could possibly break a given law. NO that is stupid spin pure and simple.
Another effort by Republican front runners pandering to their base promoting a pardon.
Fireside chat Snoopy lifts leg and pees.
ROMNEY: "...What the jury did not consider is whether the prosecutor entrapped him and pursued the course out of a political vendetta as opposed to pursuing a real crime,..."
No, it seems they considered the facts.Not media speculation, but their own lyin' eyes and ears.
ROMNEY "... and the reason this is, in my view, a subject for careful review is because of the unusual circumstances associated with the prosecution of this case."
The most unusual of these circumstances being the concerted effort of a political party lying and obstructing in order to suggest that there was no crime, and that the unusual circumstances were caused by those trying to prosecute a crime.
To Cohen's credit, he did throw in a "liberal media" mention in his column, in case there was any doubt about his talents.
Well done H.B,
Maybe what we're seeing is the absolute arrogrance of a party--the Republicans-- who control the media?
These jackbooted, filth-bags, believe they can get away with anything. They suck up to any far-right gasbag (Limbaugh, O'Reilly, Carlson, etc.) and blindly repeat the talking-point because they feel they have enough "noise pollution" to pull off the crime [lie].
Taking back America: One dirty, stinkin', filthy conservative at a time.
To rich to pass up. Taste the truth.
Armitage admits he leaked Plame's identity tio Robert Novak.
The CIA identifies the Novak leak as the event that destroyed Plame's cover. Notice the CIA's declassified affidavit identifies the date of the disclosure as July 14, 2003? This is the date of publication of Novak's column identifying Plame.
==> Inescapable conclusion: The Armitage leak to Novak is the disclosure that did the "damage".
--Crushing the left, one arrogant ignoramus at a time.
but libby and rove both "leaked" her name to different reporters in an organized effort. they did this in spite of the fact that their security oaths forbid them even to confirm classified information. none of the reporters knew plame's identity before being told by rove and libby. we only have the word of armitage and novak that it was an innocent little mistake. [and to make sure that he didn't miss anything, novak revealed the name of her front company, brewster jennings, on tv a few days later.] but whatever happened with armitage, it is a fact that libby and rove were repeatedly leaking her name to reporters before novak's column. they were determined to reveal her identity.
I see you failed reading comprehension 101.
Read the second reference carefully. The CIA clearly identified the Armitage-Novak disclosure as "the leak". In fact, they do not mention either of the prior disclosures of Plame's identity, by the spy, Alrdrich Ames, and by the CIA's own careless handling of an intelligence packet to the US Interests section of the Swiss embassy in Havana, seen by Cuban Intelligence. These disclosures occured many years earlier, but they were apparentkly not classified as damaging.
One might surmise that the CIA concluded any further disclosures after the Novak publication could cause no further harm. Therefore, Libby's disclosure was of no interest. One cannot divulge a secret that has already been disclosed, since it is then no longer a secret. This would be akin to me telling you in confidence that Michael Jackson is a suspected child molester, claiming this is a secret.
You statement that Rove provided any new or original source material disclosing Plame's identity is not supported by the evidence. Even Novak says this. It is, therefore, false.
Is your position that even though several people had divulged Plame's identity before she was officially outed on July 14,2003, the only leak that matters was the one that was published first?
If that is what you are indeed arguing, what legal basis for it?
My position is that of the numerous disclosures of Plame's identity, at least two of which predate the Armitage disclosure by several years, the CIA in its own afadavit to the special prosecutor chose to specifically identify ONE and only ONE of those leaks as "damaging", the Armitage-Novak leak.
Maybe a better question for you to ask is why, if as prosecutor Fitzgerald broadly claims, there is palpabale evidence that several people have violated the Intelligence Identities Act, etc. that he chose to presecute none of them for this violation?
Another worthwhile question: If, as Fitzgerald has admitted, he knew the identity of the leaker responsible for the Novak disclosure cited by the CIA as damaging within a few short weeks of the beginning of his investigation, then how did any inaccurate testimony given by Scooter Libby in any way impede his investigation?
No a dumb point followed by a dumb question. So unless there was direct harm caused by violation of a law then no law was broken? Then I could embezzle money and if caught give it back and since no harm came to the company then I didnt break the law? Only on planet Wingnut. So can you tell me why if there is good evidence that several people were murdered in the St Valentines day massacre no one was ever prosecuted for it? Are you really trying to make the claim that because a crime is unprosecutable that means there never WAS any crime? Its insanely dumb no one could possibly take the argument seriously the only reason it is repeated is because it is useful for rightwing propaganda and so it becomes true to believers for that reason alone. If REALITY shows otherwise too bad for reality
Hey Einstein,
Armitage told Novak, Novak has no ethics or morals and used the information. That doesn't change the fact that Rove and Libby leaked the information to several other slightly more ethical reporters who refused to take the bait. The circles you idiots go around to justify your world view is amusing. I'm surprised you can put a coherent sentence together. Laws are laws chief. I thought Republicans were all about laws and zero tolerance. Unless of course it's a Republican traitor, then the law doesn't apply. It must be a conspiracy that a Republican prosecutor nailed and a Republican judge threw the book at a traitor who covered for his traitor boss.
It is easy to look like Einstein when debating the likes of you.
Then why havent you been able to accomplish it by the way an impersonation of Forrest Gump doing Alfred E Newman ISNT being like Einstien
uh, "reading comprehension 101"? where did i make the statement that you claimed i made? that rove provided any new or original material to novak? what i said was that before novak's column appeared, rove and libby were giving plame's identity to various reporters. you cannot deny that statement.
If this is true as you say, then why was no one, not even the self-confessed Armitage charged with a crime in connection with the disclosure?
The answer should be obvious, but you are too deeply rooted in your belief systems to see it: Fitzgerald knew he couild not prove that any law he could prosecute under was actually violated, his public posturing to the contrary notwithstanding.
$64,000 question: Why did he prosecute Libby for something not even connected with the original "crime"? Two answers jump out. (1) He has a good shot at getting a conviction on a perjury charge in front of a DC jury, and (2) he has an axe to grind against Libby. Libby represented billionaire fugitive, Marc Rich, a Fitzgerald defendant, the one who 'got away' ...
Armitage was not prosecuted because he convinced Fitz his exposure was inadvertant since intent is part of the element of the crime as written he got a pass. That doesnt mean any subsequent leaks were not purposefully done. Its ludicrous to say Libbys perjury when talking about EXACTLY this alleged crime is in no way connected to the crime. Please your weak spinning is embarassing. For all we know if Libby had not LIED to cover up this crime a whole bunch of people might be on trial under that statute
One of the stupidest posters in the history of this site is calling someone ELSE an ignoramus? Hey you would have to gain double digit IQ points to approach ignoramus status. Exposing the identity of a CIA agent intentionally is a crime. Whether or NOT that person THEN publishes that identity. Only a moron of your substantial ignorance could infer that since Armitage exposed that identity it means no one else could have done so. I would say the only thing you have destroyed is your credibility but since you never had any you just made yourself look as stupid, well, as you ARE.
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AHH isnt that precious. A moron whose demostrated ignorance defies comprehension is imitating a commercial. While I am willing to concede you should be an expert on being a fool as demostrated by your entire life as well, YOU, that very fact precludes you from being a credible judge of the foolishness of others. I guess you arent quite as dumb as I thought. Perhaps your IQ DOES reach double figures. Nah, fungi make better points excepting the one on top of your head.
NL207,
I Scooter Libby swear (hand on the bible) to tell the truth and NOTHING but the truth SO HELP ME GOD.
Reality check, when you do the above, lie and get caught you receive 2 1/2 prison sentence and a $250,000 fine, per judge Reggie.
This thread is disputing the claim that Libby was not the "leaker". Any arguments that he has committed some other process crime associated with, or even orchestrated by, prosecutor Fitzgerald's investigation is not relevant to the basic premise of this thread.
Whether Libby told a putative lie or simply could not remember many months later what he said to whom and when is not relevant to this discussion.
And YOUR very point is premised on the ludicrous assumption that once a crime is comitted no one else could POSSIBLY commit the same crime.
Karl Rove should be in jail right now for Treason.
Jail would be one option, I guess.
Its a full court press by Team, Save our Libby! Dam! looks like a charging foul on Roberts, He's an edgy player. And now a technical on Romney! Though with the new RNC rules theoretcally he can get 12 technicals before having to leave the game so this will not affect his game for the time being.
We'll get back to the game after this word. Patuie.
So millions were spent. Libby was never charged in the "outing" nor was anyone else. But Libby and Rove are guilty anyway.
Libby's prosecution was as wasteful and unnecesary as All the Clinton crap in the 90's.
Surely in both cases our tax money and our public servants time would have been better spent
I wondered if you were coming back...
Libby was never charged in the "outing"
Gee... could that be because Libby lied to squash the investigation and block the efforts to find the actual source of the leak? Oh, wait, that's exactly what he was charged with and convicted of! What a coinkydink!
Investigating who leaked the name of a covert CIA operative does not compare to investigating if the Clintons did something wrong in a 15 year old land deal or if Clinton got a BJ.
Well, one DOES sell more papers than the other.
If you think a land fraud whose principal purpose was too defraud a bank was all that was being investigated with respect to the Clintons, then you are no further ahead than those who think felatio was the principal object of that investigation.
Try this. And this. And this.
Nor is this thread is about the Clintons. It is about the "leaker".
Investigating who leaked the name of a covert CIA operative does not compare to investigating if the Clintons did something wrong in a 15 year old land deal or if Clinton got a BĴ.
Duplicate comment. My mistake.
Wasteful? So take obstruction of justice off the books or WHAT? He was CONVICTED I would say by definition that belies any claim it was wasteful.
Send your thoughts to all those serving time for perjury and obstruction of justice. I 'm sure they feel the same way you do.
Ken Starr knew the Clintons were not involved with any wrongdoing related to the Whitewater land deal. But he started sniffing his zipper because he could not bring a single charge against him. Now the blue dress is the most famous product of about 160 years of GOP poltiics. Abraham Lincoln can rest in peace.
I'd have to bring up Ken Starr if I were the journalist listening to Mitt here. But I'd be looking for a job the next day.
Not only that, he likely knew Paula Jones' charge was untrue.
"What the jury did not consider is whether the prosecutor entrapped him and pursued the course out of a political vendetta as opposed to pursuing a real crime."
Oh, the old prosecutorial entrapment defense. I think Romney is as delusional as the rest of the wing nuts. Wasn’t the prosecutor a Bush appointee? A federal prosecutor does his job and since it’s a republican who’s been convicted it must be a political vendetta. Don’t these people have any common sense at all? What political vendetta? Maybe some of the republican defenders on here can enlighten me on that one.
Isn't lying to a grand jury and obstruction a real crime or do we need to rewrite our laws every time someone on the right is brought up on criminal charges?
"Isn't lying to a grand jury and obstruction a real crime or do we need to rewrite our laws every time someone on the right is brought up on criminal charges?"
Do you not get it? Crimes (and sex) are only crimes when Dems are involved. The Publicants are great at shrieking accusations, but p!ss-poor at standing tall and taking responsibility.
Libby defenders wish the truth would die of a heart attack.
All the Bush loyalists had the fake Niger document for 10 months; it made it's way into the State of the Union Speech.
The United Nation Weapon Inspectors who are not professional spies found the document to be fake within 4 hours. They googled the names and found out that one of the signers to the document could not have been alive at the time the document was created.
Wilson wrote an op-ed about the Niger fake document.
This angered Cheney. He wish truth was ran over by a car.
Cheney needed a fall guy he wrote that on the Wilson Op-ed.
Libby is the fool. He did the dirty work. He sacrificed our security in the name of political payback.
The Conservatives put down truth as enemy number one.
Libby obstructed justice.
The Conservatives tried to run truth over with a truck.
Libby is found guilty.
Conservatives put nuke the truth bumper stickers on their cars.
The truth is, Bush is a war criminal.
'Libby defenders wish the truth would die of a heart attack...'
And all of Harlequin's post is true! BUT further, Roberts, Romney and both their lying mouths pretend to 'forget' that no libbers, no Dems, nor Fitzgerald, chose Libby to be the 'Lamb' for the crookedest administration in the history of our nation. I too lament the fact just a bit, that he had to take the fall for these thugs, but I'd also like to hear that he got 'regular' prison not a privileged special assignment, and that he became a big guy's wife! I'd like to have a couple of tapes for Mitt and Cheney - maybe one for Bush's pillows so they could hear his screams in the middle of the night! Hear him as he cries out -as he's 'turned out'!
In fact, I'd like to think that Bush and Cheney got to contemplate the same fate!
Blue,
Now that would be some "hard" time. LOLBut you know as well as I do, "Scooter" will be sent to some federal Shangri-La if he is away. I'm afraid that is a big IF should the Libby lovers have their way and justice is delayed or pardoned.I would hate to see the Prez pardon the guy, but then if he does, the republicans can kiss the 2008 elections good bye. There will be so much outrage from the “silent Democratic majority” it might just be a good thing.
Great job by Media Matters here...
Things like this is where MM really shows there mettle.
This two-bit corporate hack--John Roberts--whose been exposed on this web site dozens of times, is shown in high corporate cable TV fashion.
He just sits there, on his corporate ass, as Romney feeds him a load of bunk. What a disgrace this man is.
You wanna know why our country is in the mess that its in? Roberts is the poster boy.
Damn,
MMFA fix the PREVIEW and POST functions....
I think I'll wait a couple of days when this topic resurfaces as on of KO's worst people in the world and MMFA re-runs it.
You won't understand it then, either.
What Romney and our Wingnut posters here have forgotten, or chosen to ignore, is that Libby WAS NOT CONVICTED OF LEAKING ANYTHING. He was convicted for lying about it under oath. Period. Whether the leak was a crime or not is irrelevant to Libby's conviction.
Come back and try again after Rush Limbaugh feeds you some more talking points.
Well, at least this isn't a story about protecting Hillary from Gerth and Natta again. And by the way...where have all those stories and postings gone, Media Matters (very Little)????
But as to Libby, what was he charged with? I know it wasn't giving out classified information, it was obstruction or some other process of investigation violation. Hmmmm....I think we all know now that it was Mr. Armitage and Fitzfong knew it before he even interviewed Libby. Hmmmmm...
Now if only Libby had stuffed his notes on meetings with the Evil Rove down his pants before his testimony before the 9-11 Commission, you'd have a real crime!
X's & O's to the Lefties!
It was Armitage who disclosed classified information AMONG OTHERS including according to their OWN attorneys. Rove and Libby. They werent charged with a crime as all the elements of the crime were not provable. Perhaps they COULD have been if LIBBY hadnt perjured himself and obstructed justice
That 'proving' stuff is difficult for you guys to accept. Why consider proof to be necessary when it is counterproductive to your political ends? Might as well say that Hillary and Bill made a pact 20 years ago and write a book about it because it sounds good.
Keep trying!
X's & O's
I guess I have to since you apparantly cannot read and dont know what you are talking about. Why would I have to prove what the lawyers for Libby AND Rove both admitted that their clients DID expose Plame as a CIA agent? Now there are other elements to this that would make it a crime or not and I am not making claims about them but that Libby DID discuss Plame being a CIA agent to several reporters is NOT in dispute. Why do you think so many people are arguing the details of it not whether there were such discussions?
hmmmmmmmmmmm... You know, that hmmmmming really puts the illusion of thoughtfulness on an incoherent post.hmmmmm.
Lefty,
Hmmmmm....Thanks for your THOUGHTFUL response to my posting. Continue to steer of substance my dear!
X's & O's
You HAD no substance that was the point.