Savage repeated debunked falsehood that Obama attended madrassa
On the June 25 broadcast of his nationally syndicated radio show, Michael Savage said that Sen. Barack Obama (D-IL) was "indoctrinated" by a "Muslim madrassa in Indonesia." As Media Matters for America has documented, this falsehood -- which the website InsightMag.com first reported, attributing the rumor to "sources close to [a] background check" allegedly "conducted by researchers connected to" Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton (D-NY) -- has been thoroughly debunked by several news organizations. For example, CNN reported on January 23: "Allegations that Sen. Barack Obama was educated in a radical Muslim school known as a 'madrassa' are not accurate, according to CNN reporting." The Associated Press and ABC News have also debunked the story. ABC News noted that the purported link to Clinton's campaign is "unproven and unsubstantiated."
The Savage Nation reaches more than 8 million listeners each week according to Talkers Magazine, making it the third most-listened-to talk radio show in the nation, behind only The Rush Limbaugh Show and The Sean Hannity Show.
From the June 25 edition of Talk Radio Network's The Savage Nation:
SAVAGE: Also over the weekend, the phony, invented candidate Barack Obama: the man whose campaign will come to nothing, as I told you. He's a creation. He's an invention. He's a nobody, and he belongs to the most left-wing of all Christian churches.
Of course he had a background, as you all know, in a Muslim madrassa in Indonesia, which has been swept aside by Moloch and the others in the media who don't want you to know about his full background. Hussein Obama is his name. He had a Muslim father. There's nothing wrong with having a Muslim father, but you should expose it.
If you're running for office, you should also say that you proudly went to a Muslim school as a youth that indoctrinated you in certain manners -- and tell us what your indoctrination was, Mr. Barack Obama. And tell us whether you believe in that indoctrination or you gave up those beliefs, Mr. Barack Hussein Obama.
Great Work, MMFA! (I mean getting comments back up.)
I was just thinking. Can anyone imagine the spawn of Weiner and Ann Coulter? OMFG!
do you think it would have a "999" hidden in his hair? Oh wait, let me turn him around...
I've heard rumors that Ann shoots blanks and Michael is barren.
The horror, the horror, please dont do that again.
Any procreation between the Savage Weiner & Crazy Annie would have be a case of artificial insemination. Weiner is, of course, a deeply embittered closet case who would likely tear his eyes out at the sight of Coulter's scrawny nakedness. Annie, conversely, is not the type who is likely to willing to mate with a non-Aryan.
You... know, now that I think of it, being a lying, twitchy, hate-filled, delusional, sociopathic propagandist must be harder than we realize.
Ooooooh...
I've got to remember to use the preview function more often before posting. Sorry about the typos.
Coulter will bite his head off afterwards. At least we'll be rid of one of them.
And (hope hope) when the offspring turns 15, she will rebel against her conservative upbringing and embrace the truth of liberalism.
Deeznuts
You are a true romantic.
The spawn of Michael Savage and Ann Coulter would be Tucker Carlson.
:-)
How could anyone listen to him, or Hannity? Dreadful.
As JScott has just used his real name, I suggest we all call him weiner. But that is an insult to all frankfurters!
I'm still trying to figure out if his real name is suppsed to be pronounced "weener" or "whiner".
Haven't you heard, Mike? (Can I call you Mike?)
Barack, who's sane, Obama gave up eeeevil Islam for eeeevil Black Separatist Christianity!
Pay attention, lad!
"And tell us whether you believe in that indoctrination or you gave up those beliefs, Mr. Barack Hussein Obama."
Coming from a person who abandoned the Judaism he was born into to promote white supremacist opinions.
Mr. Michael Hitler-Savage.
You forgot "Weiner" in there.
I believe this is what we now expect from Savage, this is a real bad man.
This is another example of if you say a lie once and it is repeated the cons will say it and say it.
Can anyone tell me what shred of evidence Savage used to even say that the guy went to madrassas in Indonesia? Where did this rumor come from? 'Cause, holy crap, that's a doosie.
These facts were dug up by the Clinton hitmen to burry Obama. Good job for once.
REDSTATEGARY,
Was the CNN report not factual? If not, why? If so, you have no argument. Oh, by the way, the answer is that you have no argument.
Oh looky, everyone! Red rider brought up that disproved myth that Clinton outed Obama for being in a madrassa again as fact!
I know elephants never forget, this is why we have to ensure that the 1st thing they hear every day is the truth. Once their mind gets mushed around a fallacy, there's no pulling it out of there.
Can you prove this to be a lie? Have a great day :)
Typical example of reversing the burden of proof. The burden would be on Savage. He is making a positive claim. Nonetheless, MMFA rehashes above why Savage is wrong.
Desperation, everywhere we look. Desperate Rightwingers desperately searching for the "key" that will produce any possibility of overcoming their horrendous plunge into irrelevance.
They only have the one skill: SMEAR. And it no longer works. How sad.
They do have a lot of money. Ed Schultz today seemed to think that a real effort will be made to shut down progressive media pior to the 08 election.
As access to this media is spotty. I think they maybe overessitmating its impact. They maybe doing the same thinking that if our, conservative friendly, information is all thats availible then they'll believe that information.
Personal opinion, please shot it full of holes.
I guess this is the best the machine can do with Obama- he didn't attend Riverdale High.
They must be pretty excited. Before the Madrassa BS, all they had was "inexperienced" and "we don't know anything about him", meaning they were digging hard.
Similar to John Edwards, who was just phony when he seemed like a pretty decent guy. As the novelty of that wore off, I think the Hedge Fund angle was the kill shot.
You'd think if the right wing media was good at anything, it would be coming up with some halfway convincing propaganda.
Of course he had a background, as you all know, in a Muslim madrassa in Indonesia, + you should also say that you proudly went to a Muslim school as a youth
It's amazing that Savage can say that, and mmfa will turn it around and insinuate that he said Obama went to a "radical Muslim school". That is true misinformation created by one group to cause hatred of another. Savage did NOT say 'radical Muslim school', but all reading this article will get the impression that he did. As evidenced by all the responders (as of now), none of which spoke on topic, but rather spoke of hatred toward Savage. To think, these examples (that have been posted before mine) are examples of what is offered by an ideology that claims to be peaceful and tolerant. I'm glad that ideology is in a minority in our nation.
BTW, Obama did admit going to a madressa as a child. Mmfa finding "documentation" that deny's what Obama admits is simply a lie and more misinformation designed to promote hatred. How mmfa can provide documentation denying a FACT that OBAMA wrote about in two books that HE authored is beyond simple misinformation. I challenge anyone to provide proof that Obama lied about attending a madressa. Mmfa? You claim that Obama is a liar! Prove it.
That is actually a pretty good argument Auto. Madrassa doesnt by definition mean radical Islamic school. Having said that he DID say madrassa, that according to most definitions I have seen is a religious school that teaches Islamic theology
ma·dras·sah also ma·dra·sa(m-dräs) or me·dre·se (-drs)
n. Islam A building or group of buildings used for teaching Islamic theology and religious law, typically including a mosque.Since Obama went to a PUBLIC school in Indonesia that according to CNN's article was NOT religious in nature and included Christians and Bhuddists along with Muslims and said it respected all of the religions it would STILL seem like Savages characterisation was not accurate.http://obamarama.org/2007/01/23/sen-obamas-school-in-indonesia-not-a-madrassa/
Vause interviewed the school’s headmaster, who told him that “This is a public school. We don’t focus on religion…In our daily lives, we try to respect religion, but we don’t give preferential treatment.”
He also spoke with a former classmate of Sen. Obama’s, Bandug Winadijanto, who noted that the school has not changed much since they attended. “It’s not (an) Islamic school. It’s general,” Winadijanto told Vause. “There is a lot of Christians, Buddhists, also Confucian. … So that’s a mixed school.”
Variant(s): or ma·dra·sa also ma·dras·sah or ma·dra·sah /m&-'dra-s&, -'drä-/Function: nounEtymology: Arabic madrasa: a Muslim school, college, or university that is often part of a mosque
from merriam/webster online dictionary.
Of course I have a good arguement. Savage did not say radical and mmfa is insinuating that he did. Obama went to a muslim school and mmfa claims he did not. Are you going to be able to counter any of that without "creating" more evidence? "Creating" means 'to make up' or 'fashion from nothing' or.... 'to produce through imaginative skill' which is what mmfa is doing with this article.
Your argument sort of falls flat. It was a decent one actually, but you keep saying that MMFA insinuated something, and tried to pin Savage down on that. Luckily, they posted his diatribe about this, and the full text and audio of it, so whether or not they actually "insinuated" anything, the text and audio is there to show you what was said by Savage. There is no insinuation, but going on what Savage has said about Muslims and the faith of Islam in general before, it's not much of a stretch to know what he was really getting at when he went on this little meandering rant of his.
So you are calling me a liar. What else could I expect from someone as ignorant as you? I cut and pasted that definition from here
http://www.thefreedictionary.com/madrassah
ma·dras·sah also ma·dra·sa (m-dräs) or me·dre·se (-drs)
n. Islam
A building or group of buildings used for teaching Islamic theology and religious law, typically including a mosque.
Here is another
http://www.answers.com/topic/madrassah
ma·dra·sah also ma·dra·sa or ma·dras·sah (mə-drä'sə) or me·dre·se (-dres'ə)n. Islam.
A building or group of buildings used for teaching Islamic theology and religious law, typically including a mosque.
Here is what wikipedia says
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Madrasah
Madrasah (Arabic: مدرسة) is the Arabic word for any type of school, secular or religious (of any religion). It is variously transliterated as madrasah, madarasaa, madrash, medresa, madreseh, madrassa, medrusha, or madressa. In common English usage the word "madrasah" is taken to refer to an Islamic religious school. [1]
So while in Arabic it can mean any type of school in common English it is taken to mean an ISLAMIC RELiGIOUS school.
Also you say it is a Muslim school yet CNN quotes a school official as saying it is a public school that had Christains, and Bhuddists along with Muslims there. So exactly what do you mean by it is a MUSLIM school and what evidence do you have this is true other than it is in Indonesia which has a Muslim majority? By that definition OUR public schools would be Christian schools. One of these days you MAY know what you are talking about but it hasnt happened ONCE as of yet.
So, you're going to assume that the head of the school that was interviewed by CNN would openly tell us the truth IF indeed his school was teaching anything that could be even remotely connected to radical islam? Also, have you ever thought that 98% of the school could be filled with muslim students and the remaining 2% make up the "religious diversity" found there? Also, how did CNN find one of obama's classmates from over 30 years ago? Do you think he was just walking around on the street? I doubt it, the obama campaign most likely steered CNN to this individual, who I am sure was truthful and non-biased in his interview.
For a website that prides itself in keeping the media accurate, it seems there are many logical shortcomings in the report CNN did about this that have not been investigated. This is simply a case of "what the conservatives said is wrong because they said it," and "what the liberals said is right because they never lie."
No its a matter of the liberals here having SOME evidence and the conservatives WISHING what they say were true and nothing more. The head of the school said what he said WHO do you have saying it IS a radical Islamic school. How hard would it be to look up someone? Ever hear of a phone book? Got transcripts got a phonebook 10 minutes later you are talking to whoever you are looking for. You guys will make any weak argument to protect your delusional fantasies, which as of yet is all I have seen to say this WAS some radical Islamic school. ALL evidence we have seen has been to the contrary, on the other hand why would you worry about little things like facts and reality, you have an ideology.
Madrasah (Arabic: مدرسة) is the Arabic word for any type of school, secular or religious (of any religion). It is variously transliterated as madrasah, madarasaa, madrash, medresa, madreseh, madrassa, medrusha, or madressa. In common English usage the word "madrasah" is taken to refer to an Islamic religious school.
Sheesh, how much more does it take for you to understand? YOUR OWN DEFINITION says the "arabic" word is for "any" type of school. Then it gets translated into english as meaning "religious" school. So, Islam calls it a school but you change it to "religious school". My point is proven!
I am not saying it is a bad thing he went there, I'm only pointing out that even he admitted attending the school and that Savage did NOT use the word "radical" as mmfa implies. Your hatred of Savage overflows, here, and blinds you to the truth; that Savage did NOT say "radical", yet you believe he did because mmfa used the word in this thread.
The only thing you have proven is that you dont read very well. Was the Weinerdog speaking in Arabic? Do you think Weinerdog speaks Arabic at ALL? No I believe the language he was speaking is known as English as in common English as in
In common English usage the word "madrasah" is taken to refer to an Islamic religious school.
So what part of that DONT you understand?
Was the Weinerdog speaking in Arabic?
That's the best you can do? Too bad, you used to be so good at making accurate points. I guess old age catches up with all of us, sooner or later. Now, you just parrot whatever the liberal line is, without considering facts.
That IS a fact. Whatever the word means in Arabic it is being used in English. Have you ever learned another language? Words are not concepts in the same way maps are not territory they are approximations of the concepts. All words do not translate exactly from one language to another. What is considered just a school in Arab countries might not be the same as just a school in America. Whatever the reason when used in English the word is considered to mean a religious school. This is actually pretty simple. I know you are hostile to reality since it has that pesky tendency to contradict your delusional fantasies but at the very least you ought to learn to RECOGNIZE a fact when you see one.
That IS a fact. Whatever the word means in Arabic it is being used in English.
Well, then you better rethink your stance on the koran. Since you are reading the english version and you DO NOT know what it says in arabic.
This ought to be funny...let's hear you say the koran is "accurately" translated but the meaning of "madrassa" isn't.
Bush haters have a one track mind and have a hard time seeing past that. Glad I only dislike his policies.
We are in the same boat then. I dislike the mans policies and dont know the guy. I am wondering however exactly WHAT Bush has to do with ANYTHING, ANYONE has said.
You like Bush's shady past, then?
"So, you're going to assume that the head of the school that was interviewed by CNN would openly tell us the truth IF indeed his school was teaching anything that could be even remotely connected to radical islam?" --john
What evidence do you have that he is lying that does not include mere baseless speculation?
Look, most schools/school systems have an educational plan or educational mission statement in writing. I would like to see a document of this nature from the dates when obama attended this school. Right now, we have an accusation from a reporter from insight mag, do I take his word as factual? No. We also have a counter-accusation from a CNN reporter, I don't take his word as factual either.
I'm not sure if everyone here understands the position the head of the school was in when he was interviewed. If he said anything suspicious, it would bring a tidal wave of negative attention to his school, and deliver a critical blow to obama's reputation. When an average person is placed in this situation, they typically will keep themselves out of trouble at all costs.
If CNN or MMFA was serious about de-bunking this claim about the nature of obama's school, they would dig up the educational plan for this school from when he attended. If it truely is a public school, the government would definately have some kind of educational plan or goals in writing for its schools. They would also report the number of students practicing religions other than islam to prove the school is truely diverse. Currently, this a case of one man's word against another, we have no hard facts that support either side of this accusation.
I guess if it really interests you all that much, you would go and find out for yourself. I personally don't find it germaine to the debate and don't care about it.
It appears an attempt to derail the debate towards an irrelevancy. Maybe that is why Savage is so interested in it.
"I personally don't find it germaine to the debate and don't care about it."
You don't care that a presidential candidate was educated by muslims who believe in the Koran which clearly states the message of "kill or convert all infidels?"
I contacted the head of the Islamic cultural group in Phoenix to ask about a passage I read in the Koran and he said it meant what is called the Children of the book that is Jews and Christians if they are good people and believe in judgement have nothing to fear from Allah on the day of judgement other passaged clearly say that some children of the book are honest others dishonest and they should be treated as they act. Your bigotry toward Islam is evident. Islam is not the problem, turning our problems with nutbag extremists and terrorists who twist Islam in the same way YOU do into a Holy War is a problem.
1. I think you might be on drugs if you think the leader of an Islamic cultural group in the US would openly interpret the koran in anything but a watered down tone to a random outsider calling on the phone.
2. You didnt even quote the passages you inquired about, so how does anyone have a clue what you are referring to?
3. This man you talked to hopefully, and with all likelyhood is a moderate muslim which is fine by me.
I think you need to call this guy back and ask him to interpret Koran 47:4 "Therefore, when ye meet the unbelievers in fight, smite at their necks; at length, when ye have thoroughly subdued them, bind a bond firmly on them." Or perhaps Koran 9:5 "slay the unbelievers where you find them." Those are just 2 out hof hundreds of examples. If you disagree with the fact that we need to eliminate these people, you might be on drugs. Or, check this out...these people are sick...death row for children...where is the liberal outrage? [link to www.washingtonpost.com]
And if YOU think taking any part of sacred literature out of context makes a point YOU might be a complete moron. What do you think Jesus meant when he said
Jesus said to them, "I tell you the truth, unless you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink his blood, you have no life in you. John 6:53Is advocating cannibalism?
Do you think Luke 14:26
If anyone comes to me and does not hate his father and mother, his wife and children, his brothers and sisters—yes, even his own life—he cannot be my disciple.
Is really advocating that you hate your parents and siblings?
I looked it up AFTER hearing an Islamic scholar make this claim on C-Span. Your bigotry has you just claiming that
As for the Koran here it is
5:62 If the People of the Book accept the true faith and keep from evil, We will pardon them their sins and admit them to the gardens of delight. If they observe the Torah and the Gospel and what is revealed to them from Allah, they shall be given abundance from above and from beneath.
Some of them are righteous men; but many of them do nothing but evil.
5:67 Believers, Jews, Sabaeans, or Christians - whoever believes in Allah and the Last Day and does what is right - shall have - nothing to fear or to regret.
You are a bigot. You look for a reason to hate, Reasons to hate are easy to find especially for bigots.
I'm not sure what you're not seeing here. I thought I made it clear in my last post that I understand that moderate muslims interpret the koran in a reasonable, level-headed manner...and I am glad they do. I think moderate interpretations need to be made more public so people do not "hate" all muslims.
I hope you're not trying to tell me or anyone else there aren't muslims who do take verses like I posted at face value, i.e. - muslim extremists. I hate these people, and I see no reason to accept them because of their radical, suicidal, murderous views. I'm sorry for you if you do have anything but hate inside you for these people, who are an enemy to the entire civilized world. I mean, unless you are a muslim extremist or one of their supporters, you and me are in the same boat regardless of our difference in beliefs...we are the infidel to these murderers.
"I made it clear in my last post that I understand that moderate muslims interpret the koran in a reasonable, level-headed manner...and I am glad they do."--john
I think you inadvertantly hit on why I don't care about this issue. I see absolutely nothing that indicates Obama was "indoctrinated" into some malevalent form of Islam either from Wiener or Obama. Going to a school in a majority muslim country is all that Obama is "guilty" of from what I can see. It is simply irrelevant.
I didnt see in that tossaway comment any indication that the person who said THIS
You don't care that a presidential candidate was educated by muslims who believe in the Koran which clearly states the message of "kill or convert all infidels?"
Is making that crucial distinction between extremist terroristic Muslims and moderates. IF that is part of your point then why argue that the head of the cultural center was hiding anything? Anyway if you really feel that way we are arguing semantics. I dont hate anybody, I see it as a waste of emotional energy and Jesus told us to LOVE our enemies. I DO see the al Queda types as enemies. I have no problem with destroying them. If that was the sticking point we have nothing of substance to disagree on. I am mostly concerned that we target the guilty and the extremists and NOT turn this into a Holy War which it need not be. Since you are agreeing that there are moderate Muslims that are not a threat then what problem could you possibly have that Obama went to a school that was predominatly Muslims in what was THEN one of the worlds more moderate Muslim nations?
The school is in Indonesia. The worlds most populous Muslim nation exactly WHY wouldt there be an avalanche of anything if he said it was a Muslim school instead of saying it was a public school? So they should dig up their educational plan from the 70's? How do you know an Indonesian school would have such records? We have two different people ON RECORD saying it was a public school. We have NO ONE on record saying it was a radical Islamic madrassah. Give this one up. Ya got nothin
"I'm not sure if everyone here understands the position the head of the school was in when he was interviewed. If he said anything suspicious, it would bring a tidal wave of negative attention to his school, and deliver a critical blow to obama's reputation. When an average person is placed in this situation, they typically will keep themselves out of trouble at all costs."
If the school were a Muslim school, why would it "bring a tidal wave of negative attention" to it if the headmaster acknowledged it as such? The school is in Indonesia. What do they care what a bunch of Americans think of them?
And why would the headmaster care about Obama's reputation if the revelation that the school he attended as a child was a Muslim school would be a "critical blow"?
Seems to me, the best way to keep onesself out of trouble is to tell the truth. But then, I'm a liberal.
"I doubt it, the obama campaign most likely steered CNN to this individual, who I am sure was truthful and non-biased in his interview." --john
Complete speculation. It would be nice if you would start with facts instead of speculation to build your argument.
John,
so you are going to assume that he didn't tell the truth? If you want to attack the journalistic standards of the reporter then please do so. but, do it right. Show us where the reporter would have deliberately aired this story without ensuring validity. Just accept it. It was a public school. Why is that so hard. Does it destroy your fantasy that there is something in Obama's past that will keep him from beng elected. We can't have a black Democrat in the White House now can we? Why that would be just plain UN-A-UMURICAN.
See my comment above, it points out the exact areas I believe the reporter failed to make clear, and would prove the assumptions he tried to convey on CNN. Additionally, I despise everything obama stands for politically, his skin color doesnt matter...but thanks for assuming I am a racist, it's really nice of you. If a black conservative were on the ticket who shared my politcal views, or anyone who is a traditional conservative, I would give them my vote.
So did you give your unending support to Alen Keyes who was arguably the most conservative candidate in 2000? Please. I don'tknow if you are a racist or not. don't really care. Again, what evidence do you have that the reporter skewed his report to favor Obama.
You do make a good point, but do you think Savage was insinuating anything with his listeners when he brought up the madrassa story? The primary way the story has been reported throughout the media was that this was a "radical" place. Without hearing the Savage commentary, I don't know what he said. Did he make sure to say it was not "radical" as it was first reported?
I think there is an amount of legitimate speculation on MMFA's part here because of the quote that Obama was "indoctrinated" while at the school. Do commentators/everyday people say that someone who went to any other religious school say that the pupil was "indoctrinated" when educational backgrounds are brought up?
For example, if McCain had gone to a Catholic school (I am hoping there is a candidate with a religious, private school education to make this point stronger), would pundits say he had been indoctrinated? In my opinion, the language used by Savage (indoctrinated, using Obama's full name) leads to the speculation that he thinks of this madrassa as something more than the generic Muslim school.
Auto, you're full of it, and here's why...
The crux of your argument is insinuation.
MMFA's crime here is, by your account, insinuating. But you have granted the Savage Weiner immunity from the same infraction.
"Savage did NOT say 'radical Muslim school'"
True, but neither did MMFA.
"but all reading this article will get the impression that he did"
If all it takes is quoting the Weiner verbatum, then I guess he's done his job then, hasn't he? Is this not the impression he wants to leave? Is that not what he's insinuating?
"Obama did admit going to a madressa as a child"
What about his classmate, Bandug Winadijanto?
"It's not (an) Islamic school. It's general," Winadijanto said. "There is a lot of Christians, Buddhists, also Confucian. ... So that's a mixed school."
This directly contradicts what the Savage Weiner has said.
Did you not watch CNN's report from the school? I did. I did not see children on their knees, bobbing up and down while reciting the Koran. Apparently, Weiner didn't watch it either.
Ok A.P. how about there was no such thing as a madressa when Obama was is school. So how could he have gone to one.
The original report on this came from a news source connected to the Rev Moon organisation. Proporting to be something they got from the Hillary campaign. And just as a puplic service brought it to the publics attension (cynic mode off). CNN investigated and found it to be bogus, but the story lives on in appreciative minds. It'll be popping up intermittently till Obama is no longer a threat. i.e. a contender for the presidency.
The word "radical" in the item is from CNN.
Savage did use the word "indoctrinated", which seems pretty calculated.
I don't know where AP's "insinuation" by MMFA came from, but it was generous of othrs here to call it a good argument.
For example, CNN [link to www.cnn.com] color="#0052a3">reported on January 23: "Allegations that Sen. Barack Obama was educated in a radical Muslim school known as a 'madrassa' are not accurate, according to CNN reporting."
Mmfa inserted this quote to give the 'impression' that it was Savage's meaning when he said what he said. Why else would mmfa insert this quote, it had no relation to Savage or Savage's quote, other than to give the insinuation that Savage meant Obama attended a "radical" muslim school?
What would it matter if he did people? Even if CBS NBS ABC FAUX AND said it was so, you going to believe it? I will believe Savage before I believe any of those sold out news sites. No that I believe him here.
Obama is a mute point. The presidential election will be between Thompson & Clinton. I predict Thompson to knockout Clinton in the first round ;)
Obama is a mute point - redstategary
No, I don't think there is anything wrong with his hearing.
Wait, O.B., wouldn't that be a deaf point?
And how many rounds are there going to be in the Presidential elections, Redfacedgary?
I guess that would be more accurate. However, I have usually heard the word "mute" used in conjunction with the word "deaf" so I was just sayin...
Either way, redstategary is ummm, out there.
"The Savage Nation reaches more than 8 million listeners each week". Hell there’s 301 million people in this country. 2 million in prison alone. About 4.8 million people suffer from sever mental illness. So I guess around 2 more million just suffer from sever stupidity in the "Sewage Nation". (Trade Marked)
You are simply a jealous left wing hack who is angry that a liberal/progressive commentator will never attain the success and audience size that Savage, Limbaugh, Hannity and others have.
The fact is that all of the liberal radio stations are being bought by sports and/or right-wing radio.
Ahh, the wonders of the free market. Supply and demand, its pretty basic.
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/06/27/washington/27poll.html?_r=1&oref=slogin
More than half of Americans ages 17 to 29 — 54 percent — say they intend to vote for a Democrat for president in 2008. They share with the public at large a negative view of President Bush, who has a 28 percent approval rating with this group, and of the Republican Party. They hold a markedly more positive view of Democrats than they do of Republicans.
I think your free market appears somewhat biased.
Thank you for spoonfeeding me something to work off of here. You may want to re-think your statement about America's desire for democrat leadership, seeing that the Democrat-led Congress has achieved an all time low in approval rating...just 14%...worse than Bush himself. Sorry Nancy, America hates your San Francisco values. [link to blogs.usatoday.com]
And yet they kicked GOP BUTT in the 06 election. There is no such thing as Democrat leadership nor democrat Congress because there is no such thing as a Democrat party there is only the DemocratIC party and the ReNAMBLAcan party
So, since the democrats won in 06, and within 7 months of being in control of congress managed to lose support of 86% of the American people...that doesn't mean anything because they "kicked butt?" If that is your argument here, I'm going to have to file it away as another symptom of the metal disorder of liberalism. I can at least come to terms with the fact that the Republican party is mostly made up of crooks and turncoats, but at least Bush took more than 6 years to acheive his dismal approval rating, which is still higher than that of Congress.
John,
when has congress ever had a high approval rating?
Congress never has a high approval rating it seems in America no one likes politicians except THEIRS. I keep trying to tell ignorant, moronic conservatives like you that liberalism is based on higher brain function since you are far to stupid to accomplish the task it only APPEARS as a mental disorder to the lowest rungs on the evolutionary ladder like you. I hope one day that despite the huge challenge of your galactic level stupidity you can at least RECOGNIZE higher brain function sadly actually performing the act will forever be beyond your meager capabilities.
I notice you purposely did not want to post the rest of that poll showing that while congress in general is in the toilet, congressional dems continue to poll higher than congressional reps by a 8 point margin:
http://www.galluppoll.com/content/default.aspx?ci=1600
Use your spoon and eat that!
It may be true no liberal talk show host will be very successful. The venue might not be a natural one for liberals. We dont tend to love the preaching to the choir thing like the right. I can never imagine a bunch of liberals calling themselves dittoheads. We just wouldnt be so proud of letting others think for us. None of that changes the inexorable fact that the Weinerdog is insane
Well, it is only truth which can withstand the test of time, and the longer I continue to listen to Savage, the more and more I see a pattern of him reporting the news, giving opions and predictions, and reality playing out exactly in tune with those predictions. So, it is clear to me that obama is a made-up candidate run as a shill for hillary, and he wont get the democratic nomination. You can tear Savage all you want for his political beliefs, but his predictions are nearly always dead-on.
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2007/06/27/NEWDRUG.TMP&feed=rss.news
You've gotta stop smoking this stuff, it's clearly affected your perceptions.
Well, with God's will, we will all still be here when the new president takes office, and since it will not be obama, I'll be sure to remind you what Savage told all of us.
I'll also give you one better, if obama does become president, and America's death sentence has been signed upon his arrival to the oval office, I will leave this website in shame and you'll never hear from me again.
Oh, if only you could be trusted to keep your word. Is it as good as O'Reilley's?
Americas death sentence will be signed if Obama becomes president? Not only are you a bigot you are incredibly stupid
"So, it is clear to me that obama is a made-up candidate run as a shill for hillary, and he wont get the democratic nomination."
This is what Savage told you?
WTF do so called "big" ratings numbers mean in a world of mindless sheepish drones and parrots guided by pompous asses and their endless one way monologues that use a primal draw like hate to gather a following and ratings? Might means right? I know another guy who had big splashy attendance numbers behind his popularity at a stadium in Nuremberg. That really worked out well for him and his devotes. Your right that liberal or any real diverse view points, which in my mind at this point, just means someone who doesn’t lie out his ass 24/7, wont have ratings as long as the once termed "public airwaves" have been bought and paid for by self protectionist corporations and there lobbyists. Sex and Hate. You’ll never lose and audience selling those babies but you may lose a country.
"The phony, invented candidate Barack Obama: the man whose campaign will come to nothing, as I told you. He's a creation. He's an invention."
And what about your own jive-turkey nonsense campaign, you Savage Nazi? If you are "running for President", as you claim, why aren't you in any of the Republican debates? If someone's a "phony, invented candidate", "a creation", and "an invention" - it is YOU, Hitler-Savage.
Are you done spouting hatred? I do wish you had come up with something more original than Hitler comparisons though. Savage ran the poll on his website to basically show that millions of people will follow him and agree with his views. He is using that poll to show the candidates how many votes he can influence to go for or against someone; and that if they ignore his audience, they will not make it into office. He has clearly stated that he has no intention of actually running.
And what about Savage saying that "100 million Muslims" should be killed; kinda like The Holocaust?
Or labeling George Soros "a Nazi", eventhough Soros has (apart from Savage) sticked to his Judaism?
Or when Savage labels black liberals as being part of the "Liberal Klux Klan", then saying that they shouldn't have civil rights?
I'm just giving Hitler-Savage what he deserves.
And what about Savage saying that "100 million Muslims" should be killed; kinda like The Holocaust? --You quoted that line completely out of context. He said that if radical islamic terrorists are going to come here and attack and kill Americans, lets kill 100 million of them before they do it to us.
Or labeling George Soros "a Nazi", eventhough Soros has (apart from Savage) sticked to his Judaism? --I was unaware that Judaism was a religion that supported left wing causes such as abortion and gay relations. Oh wait, Orthodox Judaism doesn't. Savage constantly defends his and other's Judeo-Christian heritage and beliefs.
Or when Savage labels black liberals as being part of the "Liberal Klux Klan", then saying that they shouldn't have civil rights? --This kind of comment is aimed towards the likes of jesse jackson and al sharpton. Race hustlers like these who have done more damage to race-relations, contributing to character defamation (Duke Lacross team), and the outright murder of people (encouraging the Crown Heights Riots), these men deserve to be in prison for life, with their civil rights taken away just like they tried to take away those of other innocents.
The Weinerdog did NOT say what you claim. Here is more context
They say, "Oh, there's a billion of them." I said, "So, kill 100 million of them, then there'll be 900 million of them." I mean, would you rather die -- would you rather us die than them?
So he basically said we should kill one hundred million of them to lessen their numbers, or perhaps to demote Hitler to the minor leagues of evil, then threw in a totally spurious false dichotomy about us or them unsupported by anything other than his bigotry. Your weak appology is total BS. The Weinerdog is insane
I guess the 3,000+ innocent Americans that died on 9/11 wasnt enough to spark feelings of vengence in you. I'm glad that Savage wants to decimate the threat to American safety, because what we are seeing right now is just the very beginning of an ugly war with Islam if we don't finish it quickly.
I see so the question is does Weinerdogs insanity DRAW insane bigots to become Weinerdog worshippers or does being a Weinerdog worshipper eventually make someone into an insane bigot. Al Queda attacked us. They no more speak for Islam than Jim Jones spoke for Christianity. I assume a Christian religious nutbag killing almost a thousand people didnt make you want to go to war with Christianity. Hey lets destroy al Queda, I am all for it. Going directly to making all of the worlds Muslims our enemy for no other reason than insane bigots decided to define them that way is just plain stupid.
John,
don't justify bad behavior by pointing to other bad behavior.
John,
Where were you and Savage when it was time to enlist for this "war on terror' Where was Savage in the 1960's. I don't respect one hair on a persons head if they spout the hunger for war like he does but was a pompous coward turd when it was his trun to serve. How about you?
#1 Yes, let's kill 100 million of them! Then they'll be competly furious and start to kill again! Kill Muslims, kill Americans, kill Muslims, kill Americans - an infinite Savage spiral of mass death.
#2 Oh, so Savage defends Judaism? What about him saying that Jerry Springer (a Jew) is "a filthy degenerate [...] with a hooked nose"? Or that "Mr. Cohen" comment?
#3 It is also aimed towads Martin Luther King, my friend. He refered to the MLK Holiday as "a racket, aimed towards white people" Savage is constantly sticking up to white racists, to such a point that he refered to dragging victim James Byrd as "a coke dealer who messed up" - when he infact was dragged to death by white racists who killed him just because he was black.
#1 - You obviously are a "peace no matter happens" individual, and no amount of arguing will change that. You're welcome to have your opinion, but I'll take it upon myself to throw you in the closet with the others who refuse to defend this country and its military.
#2 Jerry Springer? The man has made a living off of the trash of the world, hardly representing Judaism in a positive light. Savage rightfully attacks "Jewish" people who are an embarrassment to that great and respectable religion.
#3 He aimed his attack at MLK day because Washington's and Lincoln's birthdays have taken a back seat to it, which is wrong. I'm sorry but the Founding Father/first President of this country is more important than MLK. Additionally, you clearly fail to see that Savage sticks up for blacks who have been treated unjustly. For example, he supported Kobe Bryant when that girl was falsly accusing him of rape.
You are obviously a bigot who cannot tell the difference between a terrorist and a Muslim. I will toss YOU into a closet with all the other lets kill them all and let God sort them out morons.
So, are you in this closet with people who won't defend this country or are you on the front lines now? Also, what do you propose to do with the American citizens who consider themselves Muslims?
These guys are never on the front lines. Their arm chair warriors. Besides this John guy really hates Muslims. I don't think someone with his biases would serve the US well in the military at least not in Middle East. One aspect of this fight with Radical Islamic extremism is to win hearts and minds of the people of the region and hope that tolerance would win out against extremism . John’s hatred of Muslims would preclude him being an effective asset in that effort, since he has an extreme hatred of Muslim people.
Lynn,
I agree completely! I guess I was struck by the closet reference since many "in the closet" are allowed to serve in the military, but not if they step out of said "closet." I just thought he may have made a Freudian slip ;).
Obama's school was not a muslim school...sheesh. If the school was a muslim school, then why did his parents have to register him as a muslim? I mean....c'mon people...use your brains. Muslim schools do not accept students who are not muslim, but this school did.
Additionally, how come the fact that Obama went to catholic school for 4 years right after graduating from the school in Indonesia is not being highlighted?
"I'll take it upon myself to throw you in the closet with the others who refuse to defend this country and its military."
You are aware that Hitler-Savage are putting up pictures of dead American soldiers on his web site, are you? Or are you another one of those Freepers who believe that draft-dodgers have all the right to accuse people like Cindy Sheehan of being traitors?
Yes, those pictures are propaganda designed to create hatred in us towards our enemy. This is very similar to what our government did during WWII, releasing cartoons and distorted images of germans to make the public hate the enemy. Thats how you rally up morale and defeat your enemy.
Hearing your "compassionate" "conservative" talk on the radio, one would think that the "enemy" are all the Muslims, with no exception.
The same way Hitler said that all the Jews were the "enemy".
What is the difference between Savage saying that all the Muslims should be dead, and Hitler saying that all the Jews should be dead? NONE.
You have no idea what you are talking about. Savage and all the other conservative talk radio hosts constantly blame extremists for the problems within islam, and encourage moderates to join us in fighting the extremists.
I'm done talking for the entire day because I am celebrating the death of the immigration amnesty bill, and the supreme court ruling against race-based school admissions (aka racism in schools). Cheers.
Leave him alone MEGABOT, his hero Savage was a coward when he had the chance to go to war, and I don't know about John but most combat veterans cant' stand a chickenhawk so I would hazard a guess that John was right behing Savage in the "please don't send me" line.
"Savage was a coward when he had the chance to go to war" --You need to re-phrase that to say: "Savage was a LIBERAL when he had the chance to go to war." Since then, he has grown up and now he is far too old to join the military. Since he is unable to do that, he donates money out of his pocket to the military. I think he has donated over $25,000 to the Marines in the past 3 weeks. He is also donating all the profits of his new dvd to the Marines, which he estimates to be about another $30,000.
How convenient for him. How about you John?
So he was a liberal. So was Kennedy when HE went to war and won a medal for valor. Ya got nothin and that is being generous
What about Hannity, Rush (anal cyst), Giuliani, Romney, Bush et al? Were they liberal before they "grew up?"
This thread is so amazing. A guy who obviously likes to listen to Weiner and defends his continual spewing of hate and negativity. A long time ago, not realizing the right dominance of talk radio, I turned on Weiner and listened to him for a short time. He was saying the most vile and disgusting things about other people that I couldn't understand why he was on the airwaves. The whole madrassa fairy tale is a total distortion of reality