LA Times noted firefighter "wrath" at Giuliani but didn't explain the cause
A June 28 Los Angeles Times article, headlined "Terrorism: Giuliani's running mate," asserted that former New York City Mayor Rudy Giuliani (R) is the only presidential candidate who "inspires both wrath and respect in firefighters for his actions in response to Sept. 11." But the article did not explain why Giuliani "inspires ...wrath ... in firefighters," despite the Times' own reporting on the issue several months ago. The article also touted "what he did in the terrifying hours and days that followed" the September 11, 2001, terrorist attacks as "an argument that Giuliani's experience is as close to presidential as it is possible to get without storing your BlackBerry in the Oval Office." However, the article made no mention of the criticism surrounding Giuliani's handling of the 9-11 terror attacks.
On April 8, the Times reported that:
Officials from a national firefighters union [IAFF], along with some relatives of Sept. 11 victims, say they will publicly attack decisions Giuliani made as New York mayor before and after the terrorist strikes.
Among other complaints, they say that Giuliani failed to support modernized radios that might have spared the lives of more firefighters at the World Trade Center, and that he located the city's main emergency command center in the complex, even though it had been targeted by terrorists eight years earlier.
As Media Matters for America has repeatedly noted, New York City's firefighters have been critical of Giuliani for what they cite as his failure to ensure that the New York police and fire departments had interoperable radios. At the time of the attacks, the New York fire department was using outdated VHF radios that were incompatible with the police department's UHF radios. On March 14, The New York Times reported Harold A. Schaitberger, general president of the IAFF, saying of Giuliani: "The whole issue of the radios is unforgivable. ... Everyone knew they needed a better system, and he didn't get it done."
However, the June 28 Los Angeles Times article simply described Giuliani as "the only one who inspires both wrath and respect in firefighters for his actions in response to Sept. 11" without offering readers any explanation for the reasons Giuliani has drawn their "wrath."
Additionally, the article reported that Giuliani's "candidacy is built on the rubble of the World Trade Center" and offered this description of Giuliani's actions on 9-11:
Giuliani's run for the White House is not based on the simple fact of Sept. 11, 2001, but who he was and what he did in the terrifying hours and days that followed. While President Bush disappeared to the safety of an airplane, the lame duck mayor of New York City headed to ground zero. He scoped out the damage firsthand, saw terrified people jump to their deaths from the burning skyscrapers, gave news conferences and planned ahead.
The article went on to quote the following line from Giuliani's book Leadership (Miramax Books, 2002):
After September 11, people would tell me that it was brave to go to the scene of the attacks. It was actually just carrying out my usual practice for any significant emergency ... of seeing things with your own eyes and of setting an example.
The Los Angeles Times asserted that this line "translates on the campaign trail into an argument that Giuliani's experience is as close to presidential as it is possible to get without storing your BlackBerry in the Oval Office."
But in touting the fact that Giuliani "headed to ground zero" on the day of the attacks and uncritically reporting Giuliani's claim that this represented his "usual practice ... of seeing things with your own eyes," the Los Angeles Times ignored the questions surrounding Giuliani's presence at "the scene of the attacks" that day.
As Media Matters has repeatedly documented, in the book Grand Illusion: The Untold Story of Rudy Giuliani and 9/11 (HarperCollins, 2006), Village Voice senior editor Wayne Barrett and CBSNews.com senior producer Dan Collins wrote that Giuliani's "original destination" wasn't "ground zero" but rather his "much-ballyhooed command center" nearby at 7 World Trade Center (Page 6). Indeed, in Leadership, Giuliani wrote that, after the first plane hit, he "headed" to his administration's "state-of-the-art command center ... located on the 23rd floor of 7 WTC" (Pages 4, 5). But, according to Barrett and Collins, then-New York City Police Commissioner Bernard Kerik, "who was waiting to meet [Giuliani], decided it was too dangerous to bring the mayor up to the command center [Giuliani] had so carefully and expensively built" (Page 340). Barrett and Collins wrote that "Giuliani then began a harrowing trek to find a temporary headquarters where the city could manage the unfolding disaster" (Page 6).
Barrett and Collins reported that Giuliani selected 7 World Trade Center as the site of his OEM command center after "overrul[ing]" warnings from former police commissioner Howard Safir and NYPD chief operating officer Lou Anemone not to locate it there and "[r]ejecting an already secure, technologically advanced city facility across the Brooklyn Bridge" because Giuliani "insisted on a command center within walking distance of City Hall" (Page 41). That building, 7 WTC, ultimately collapsed on 9-11. Thus, Barrett and Collins concluded that if the command center had not posed such a safety risk to Giuliani, "all the dramatic visuals ... would instead have been tense but tame footage from its barren press conference room" (Page 41).
The Times also omitted the criticism Giuliani has received regarding his failure to use a respirator during visits to Ground Zero. A May 14 New York Times article noted that "by late October [2001], only 29 percent of ground zero workers were wearing the sophisticated respirators that were required by OSHA [the Occupational Safety and Health Administration]. Even Mr. Giuliani sometimes showed up without one." Noting that fact, a May 22 New York Times editorial described Giuliani as "setting a terrible example" by visiting the site without a respirator. Similarly, Barrett and Collins wrote:
"It would have been just [an] important ... symbol for Giuliani to don a respirator when he actually went to the site, to show those closest to the pile that they should not feel they were being weak or malingerers if they wore the proper protection." (Page 256)
Furthermore, the June 28 Times article referred to Giuliani as "[t]he man who has been billed as 'America's Mayor' and who wants deeply to become America's next president." As Media Matters has repeatedly documented (here, here, here, here, here, and here), media figures have touted Giuliani's reputation as "America's Mayor" despite the numerous controversies marking his political career.
From the June 28 Los Angeles Times article:
The man who has been billed as "America's Mayor" and who wants deeply to become America's next president hewed most closely to his core campaign message last week as the days wore on, and the twin towers rose into high relief.
An arid hour on fiscal responsibility in Des Moines on Wednesday was followed by 12 minutes of terrorism and Fidel Castro in Hialeah, Fla., on Thursday. But a silent appearance at Friday's memorial service for nine firefighters killed in the line of duty in Charleston, S.C., distilled Giuliani's message better than anything he could actually say.
Bagpipes keened "Amazing Grace." The eulogies were all about danger and heroism; about brave souls who race toward the inferno, while everyone else heads for safety; about "the largest loss in the firefighting community since 9/11."
And there he was, head bowed, the man whose candidacy is built on the rubble of the World Trade Center, the constant threat of future attack and the need to stay vigilant. On Friday morning, he didn't have to say a word to get that point across.
Giuliani's run for the White House is not based on the simple fact of Sept. 11, 2001, but who he was and what he did in the terrifying hours and days that followed. While President Bush disappeared to the safety of an airplane, the lame duck mayor of New York City headed to ground zero. He scoped out the damage firsthand, saw terrified people jump to their deaths from the burning skyscrapers, gave news conferences and planned ahead.
In "Leadership," his 2002 business book-cum-autobiography, he wrote: "After September 11, people would tell me that it was brave to go to the scene of the attacks. It was actually just carrying out my usual practice for any significant emergency ... of seeing things with your own eyes and of setting an example."
That insouciant aside for chief executives translates on the campaign trail into an argument that Giuliani's experience is as close to presidential as it is possible to get without storing your BlackBerry in the Oval Office. In other words: Vote for me, I've almost been there.
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Giuliani was supposed to fly from South Florida to Jacksonville, Fla., for a town hall meeting at a junior college.
But then the campaign got a call from Lewis Hayes, chairman of South Carolina Firefighters for Rudy, inviting the candidate to the memorial service.
So Jacksonville was out, and the candidate flew north to pay his respects. His staff stressed that the trip was just that, not an official campaign event.
Giuliani wasn't the only man who stepped off the trail Friday. Republican Mike Huckabee and Democrats Joseph R. Biden Jr., Christopher J. Dodd and John Edwards were all present. Hillary Rodham Clinton and Barack Obama had called Charleston Mayor Joseph P. Riley Jr. to express their sympathy.
However, Giuliani is the only one who has written a book on leadership with a chapter called "Weddings Discretionary, Funerals Mandatory." The only one whose city lost 343 firefighters and 60 police officers on one horrible day in 2001.
He's the only one who inspires both wrath and respect in firefighters for his actions in response to Sept. 11.
And he is the only one who can sit in a cavernous auditorium amid thousands of uniformed first responders and give a campaign speech without saying a word.

















Yeah, just what's got those fire fighters all burned up?
Rudy is going to lose bad, because right now he is nothing more than a one trick pony. Even if he wins the primaries, all he talks about is, 9/11 this, 9/11 that, staying on offense against terrorists (like democrats won't do the same), elect a democrat you'll get attacked again (failing to remember that he and Bush - both republicans - were in office when we were actually attacked on 9/11), and so on and so forth. He is riding this dead horse a lot, and trying to whip people into a frenzy, but he's going to lose, and going to lose bad. He has no answers for the tough questions, or no plans apparently, but hey, look! Terrorists are going to come and get us! We must be ever vigilant.
What a joke Rudy is. And people seem to forget that he was universally loathed in his own city.
So loathed, in fact, that he was elected once and re-elected once (in a fairly blue area of the country). Must have been voter fraud of the most devious kind.
MM needs to chill. The LA Times has done flattering profile after flattering profile after flattering profile of Barack Obama. The LA Times loves Democrats. It's actually remarkable that they even published an article even remotely positive about Giuliani.
Check that. I forgot that Giuliani is pro-choice. It's not as remarkable as I originally thought.
These are just a few of the LA Times articles (in June) Shoes refers to in his brilliant observation. As you can plainly see, the Times really hates him lots:
Giuliani retains GOP lead for presidential nomination as Fred Thompson gains...
Giuliani lists 12 campaign vows...
Former FBI chief now supports Giuliani...
Gee. Let's take a look at those "articles" you've cited:
"Former FBI chief supports Giuliani" is a minuscule 79 words as an "In Brief" item on page A13.
"Giuliani lists his 12 campaign vows" ... Oops. You forgot the rest of the heading: "He highlights education but not gun control, gay marriage or Iraq." It's a modest 571 words on page A21.
The third one you listed was only part of the headline of an article about a just-released Times/Bloomberg poll which also included results for Democrats. (The full headline was, "The Times/Bloomberg poll: Giuliani and Clinton stay in the lead; Fred Thompson is gaining on the former NY mayor; Obama fares best in matchups against GOP rivals") That's called news, D_C.
There's no comparison to the shower of love they've given for Obama.
the "shower of love for Obama " is irrelevant mmfa is a biased website that points out CONSERVATIVE misinformation .
Check his numbers at the end of his term.
Snoop, I'm going to ignore your incendiary pun bait, and guess. as best as I can tell, Giuliani has got his arse on the way to the White House by igniting the same fears that George Bush kindled to get in his second term.
Darn!
but you did say ignite. I saw...
Happy Friday everyone!
not to mention "incendiary" , "as best as", "arse on", and "kindled". I'm weak. ;0)
Is the bar open yet?
They are in North Carolina.
What, Mag, the bars are just now open in NC? I was in downtown Long Beach about 7am this morning, and saw two geezers stepping out of The Falcon Lounge for a smoke break.
That's some die-hard early weekend action.
Ouch, I can't believe it. You pulled the wool over my eyes! I have been punked, and here I though you didn't care! ;)
I've got the boddingtons and dips again.
Snoopy, since it's Friday, Ill bring my wine and you guys beer! Happy Friday
Can I bring my orange crush?
ABSOLUTELY!!!
Sheesh...is the LA Times piece a news article or an opinion piece? What a bunch of superfluous, disjointed cr*p. With some amusement, I imagine the MMFA staff struggling - and chuckling - over which specifics to highlight in this topic.
Rudy whores of 911 for political gain.
In the past 7 day the White House and Pentagon is trying to bolster support for this Iraq fiasco. They are are now saying that Sunnis, Shias and Kurds are all members of Al Qaeda. That's right folks all the Iraqi citizens are now Al Qaeda.
I'm just waiting for Rod Serling to come out and narrate how the People of the United States has just entered the Twilight Zone.
yup, wearing 9-11 on your sleave for political gain is OK as long as you are a republican. Just make sure you also have that magnetic "support the troops" bumper sticker (made in china!).
Right wing patriotism - proving your love for everything american one chinese product at a time.
Snoop,as tuned in to the yellow ribbons as you seem to be, I imagine you've seen this.
Where do you find the time? I am busy enough just watching/reading the links from MMFA - certainly not enough time to go find more! (Or maybe my problem is that I have to mow my lawn 5 days per week?)
what kinda grass are you growing? =0
Not THAT kind - I swear!
Now the FBI will be checking my place again, just like the old days.
I wasn't even thinking about the harvesting angle, I just thought Conley has one big-ass lawn.
AWEsome, are they touring with this?
Everybody needs to watch that...it's awesome. Thanks, HBL.
You're not only the King of Comedy but also The King of Links.
thanks HBL
Man, everybody is in a swell mood today.They even think I'm cool.
Or you're all in the time zones that have hit happy hour already.
I just got to watch it (darn firewall at work!). You get 100 scooby snacks for that one!
Even the Tax Cut is made in China. Who do you think we are borrowing the money from to pay for the tax cut?
After Bush and the Right Wingers finished tapping out the credit card they are going to unload the bill on the future generation. It was a practice used in ancient times. Your ancestor lived high on the hog building up debt and then the descendants got stuck with the bill and became indentured servants.
Bush and Right Wingers enslaving Americans to the Chinese.
…was it worth it?
Will history repeat itself…one more time? Has these simians’ political leadership become so prevalent as to further America’s “continuing” downfall? When will we realize “the chimp” just might endorse a bald-headed gimp? "Weddings Discretionary, Funerals Mandatory", that says a lot about the doofus with another endearing smirk. Doesn’t it?
Perhaps I should have queried:
Has the political leadership of these simians’ become so prevalent as to further America’s “continuing” downfall?
Seems the population is catching on here and there. MSN is on business, oblivious as usual, mode.
After the 1993 bombing of Trade center, what did Rudy do for his city? Did he locate his Emergency Command Center to Brooklyn to ensure that emergency services weren't compromised? No, he put the cities Emergency Command Center IN THE VERY PLACE THAT HAD BEEN ATTACKED IN 1993! And now you want to lead the nation based on your performance on 9/11? Pleaseeeeee
Screw the firefighter story. The media has ignored the true bombshell: Giuliani refuses to fire alleged child-abuser priest Alan Placa (Giuliani Partners, LLC. consultant), who was stripped of priesthood by the Catholic church after four boys came forward saying how Placa touched their wee wee's.
A quote, while not verified, by Robert E. Lee speaks volumes about organizations like mmfa:
- “It appears that we have appointed our worst generals to command forces,and the most gifted and brilliant to edit newspapers! In fact, I discovered by reading newspapers that these editors/geniuses plainly saw all my strategic defects from the start, yet failed to inform me until it was too late.Accordingly, I’m readily willing to yield my command to these obviously superior intellects, and I’ll in turn do my best for the Cause by writing editorials--after the fact.” -
If I remember right Robert E Lee got his butt KICKED by the Union generals. Perhaps instead of snivelling he should have been asking advise.
That is a patently stupid reply...
Lee is widely known as one of the greatest tacticians in history...and that's not even the point...it's mmfa's penchant for Monday morning quarterbacking and political pandering.
Until I see evidence of a return to rational adult thoughts...I'll just add you to my don't respond list...too bad...I've enjoyed many of your posts in the past...que sera sera.
Respond dont respond dress up like Ann Coulter and pretend its halloween what do I care. Lee is often called brilliant but that is far from unanimous AND he clearly made several tactical blunders in the Civil War.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_E._Lee
Lee's victories against superior forces won him enduring fame as a crafty and daring battlefield tactician, but his strategic decisions, such as invading the North in 1862 and 1863 and ignoring the defense of the vital Mississippi Valley, have generally been criticized by military historians.
http://www.amazon.com/Robert-E-Lees-Civil-War/dp/158062135X
Time after time he attacked in a frontal assault rather than attempting the flanking movements that his subordinates recommended. Further, Lee failed to understand that the greater range of the Minie-ball-rifled musket made formerly reliable military tactics obsolete. Alexander, a historian and military strategist (Lost Victories: The Military Genius of Stonewall Jackson, LJ 11/1/92) contends that Lee's successes were due more to the incompetent Union generals he faced than to his own military genius.
http://www.answers.com/topic/robert-e-lee
Comparison with Jackson is inevitable and casts Lee in a less favourable light. At second Bull Run and at Antietam, Fredericksburg, and Chancellorsville, he should have learned that his own and his outnumbered army's strength lay in counterpunching, and when circumstances forced him onto the defensive he was indomitable. But his Mexican experience convinced him that offensive tactics could best compensate for inferior numbers, and Longstreet was to comment on a characteristic ‘subdued excitement, which occasionally took possession of him when the hunt was up, and threatened his superb equipoise’. To put this in context, ‘subdued excitement’ in Lee was the equivalent of killing rage in a less tightly controlled man, the only logical explanation for costly frontal assaults at Malvern Hill and elsewhere, and for his fatal insistence on launching Pickett's unsupported charge at Gettysburg.
Pretending that Lee was so brilliant that he should never have been criticised despite the clear opinion of historians that he DID make several tactical blunders shows your brainwashing and committement to conformity. The POINT is that your example DIDNT MAKE THE POINT. As for monday morning QBing that is your assessment and worth no more than anyone elses. It also seems YOU think that like the privelege you extend to Lee YOU shouldnt be criticised for your weak posts. Personally I am not going to extend to you OR Lee that privelege. Get over it.
A quote, while not verified, by Robert E. Lee speaks volumes about organizations like mmfa:
- wesley
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Yeah Wes, and the "not verified" part speaks volumes too. Hell, don't worry about whether it's a real quote or not - that's not worth troubling your beautiful antebellum mind about.
Just trust your gut, like the Supreme Decider (it's worked so well for him after all), and go with what you think he should have said.
When you're slinging neo-confederate BS about the traitorous press and heroic men on horseback, it's only to shoot from the gut.
Still, I hope nobody's life depends on the quality of your intellectual work.
An unverified quote by a racist loser from the 19th century proves a 21st century media watchdod wrong.
Makes perfect sense tome.