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NY Times article on Clinton's faith lacks sources for those who question her "sincerity"

July 08, 2007 2:00 pm ET

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A July 7 New York Times article by reporter Michael Luo exploring how Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton's (D-NY) Methodist faith "intertwines" with her "political life" asserted that Clinton "has been alluding to her spiritual life with increasing regularity in recent years," and that those references "have come under attack, both from conservatives who doubt her sincerity ... and liberals who object to any injection of religion into politics." Yet the article cited only one named conservative source attacking the "sincerity" of Clinton's faith -- Weekly Standard senior editor Andrew Ferguson, whose comments were taken from a separate interview on MSNBC, previously noted by Media Matters for America -- as well as unnamed "conservative bloggers." By contrast, in addition to interviewing Clinton about her faith, Luo cited numerous sources -- including those close to Clinton, Republican candidate for president and former Arkansas Gov. Mike Huckabee (himself a Baptist minister), theologians, and other religious experts -- asserting in a variety of ways that Clinton is, as John C. Green, senior fellow at the Pew Forum on Religion and Public Life, was quoted as saying in the article, "a person of deep and sincere faith." Notwithstanding Luo's assertion about "attack[s]" on Clinton's "references to faith" from both conservatives and liberals, the article did not quote -- either by name or anonymously -- any "liberals who object" to Clinton's "injection of religion into politics."

From the Times article:

Long before her beliefs would be tested in the most wrenching of ways as first lady, Hillary Rodham Clinton taught an adult Sunday school class on the importance of forgiveness. It is a lesson, she says, that she has harked back to often.

"We all have things that oftentimes we're upset about, or ashamed of, or feel guilty over, and so many people carry these enormous burdens around," Mrs. Clinton said in a recent interview. "One of the great gifts of faith is to let it go."

The themes of wrongs, forgiveness and reconciliation have played out repeatedly in Mrs. Clinton's life, as she has endured the ordeal of her husband's infidelity, engaged in countless political battles and shared a deep, mutual distrust with adversaries.

Her Methodist faith, Mrs. Clinton says, has guided her as she sought to repair her marriage, forgiven some critics who once vilified her and struggled in the bare-knuckles world of politics to fulfill the biblical commandment to love thy neighbor.

Mrs. Clinton, the New York senator who is seeking the 2008 Democratic presidential nomination, has been alluding to her spiritual life with increasing regularity in recent years, language that has dovetailed with efforts by her party to reach out to churchgoers who have been voting overwhelmingly Republican.

Mrs. Clinton's references to faith, though, have come under attack, both from conservatives who doubt her sincerity (one writer recently lumped her with the type of Christians who "believe in everything but God") and liberals who object to any injection of religion into politics. And her motivations have been cast as political calculation by detractors, who suggest she is only trying to moderate her liberal image.

Luo later identified the "one writer [who] recently lumped her with the type of Christians who 'believe in everything but God'" as Ferguson:

Andrew Ferguson, an editor at the conservative Weekly Standard, told an MSNBC interviewer that Democrats could win over only the religious voters who were "religious in the way that Hillary Clinton is religious, which is to say a very liberal Protestant sort of view, in which they believe in everything but God."

Indeed, as Media Matters noted, on the June 14 edition of MSNBC's Tucker, host Tucker Carlson asked Ferguson if Clinton "could, in the end, be a Jimmy Carter in the sense that she gets a significant percentage ... of evangelical votes," later asking: "Can you imagine a scenario, though, where the Democrat gets religious voters? Or is abortion still the stumbling block?" Ferguson answered: "Only in -- religious in the way that Hillary Clinton is religious, which is to say of a very liberal Protestant sort of view, in which they believe in everything but God."

In addition to quoting Ferguson, Luo cited only unnamed "conservative bloggers" to support the assertion that conservatives doubt Clinton's "sincerity" on her faith:

Mr. Green, the Pew fellow, said Mrs. Clinton's increasing willingness to talk about faith could help attract Protestants and Roman Catholics in the political middle. But she is unlikely to make many inroads among religious conservatives, he said.

For example, after a forum last month for Democratic candidates that was organized by Sojourners, a liberal evangelical group, some conservative bloggers attacked Mrs. Clinton's professions of faith as "a little too convenient," "a little too timely" and "a little too scripted."

On the other hand, the article contained a variety of named sources, many of whom either know Clinton personally or are religious experts, attesting to the validity and genuine nature of Clinton's faith. For example, in addition to Green's comment, the article quoted Huckabee saying of Clinton: "I think that she has genuine faith." The article noted that Clinton "was influenced by the Rev. Donald Jones," her youth minister in high school, who took her "to hear the Rev. Dr. Martin Luther King Jr." and was quoted as saying that he "focused more on social responsibility" as Clinton's youth minister. The article then noted that Clinton's college chaplain, Rev. H. Paul Santmire, "got to know Mrs. Clinton as part of a group of religiously inclined students who discussed the social issues of the day," adding that according to Santmire, "This was sort of a '60s movement type thing." The article also quoted evangelical pastor Rev. Gordon MacDonald, who advised the Clintons in the aftermath of the Monica Lewinsky affair, stating that "[t]hey would have times of prayer at breakfast."

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    • Author by AshenShard (July 08, 2007 2:19 pm ET)
         

      Yeah, um, I thought on any question relating to religion and ones own faith, God is the only entity who had the power to judge?

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    • Author by mr. l (July 08, 2007 2:39 pm ET)
         

      I KNEW those darn Protestants didn't believe in god- all those church services and scripture readings were a SHAM!! And I don't know too many people, liberals or otherwise that care if religion is 'injected' into politics, as long as it is not 'injected' into law...

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    • Author by eweston8542983 (July 08, 2007 2:44 pm ET)
         

      Per Andrew, a liberal Protestant believes in everything but god. I'd be pleased to hear him speak a little futher on this topic. If possible, to a room of liberal Protestants.

      Conversion to a religeous attitude being too convenient,timely,scripted. That was my thought on various prison conversions by convicted republicans. Usually a statement I took to mean, "I'll be back." Somehow most of them did come back.

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    • Author by djasper2761 (July 08, 2007 3:17 pm ET)
         

      the right has no right to talk about spiritual values, God or any such related topics considering their lies, nefarious activities and failures on all levels

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    • Author by conleytgwinn (July 08, 2007 3:18 pm ET)
         

      Thanks, Ferguson, for diagnosing the shortcomings of my own beliefs:

      "very liberal Protestant sort of view, in which they believe in everything but God." I always knew there was something, missing, but I just couldn't put my finger on it. Now I know - the missing element is God! Actually, though, I s'pose I had better correct that: the missing element is god! Since I am liberal, Protestant, I cannot resort there to upper case, can I?

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    • Author by mefirst (July 08, 2007 5:11 pm ET)
         

      the fact that anyone considers the lying, hypocritical, vindictive, petulant bush as having a sincere faith is beyond comprehension.  

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      • Author by conleytgwinn (July 08, 2007 6:37 pm ET)
           

        Now, now: what would be the point of having available all that forgiveness, if not to use it all?

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    • Author by Timmee (July 08, 2007 5:38 pm ET)
         

      We should be more concerned with whether or not candidates hold reason and science in high regard, versus whether they believe in some personified deity.

      At the next Republican debate, they should ask the candidates, by a show of hands, who believes in gravity.

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      • Author by anyfreedomleft (July 09, 2007 10:05 am ET)
           

        That would be a hoot, since gravity is "a theory" ...

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    • Author by eweston8542983 (July 08, 2007 5:53 pm ET)
         

      What about its opposite. Do they believe in comedy?

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    • Author by Harlequin (July 08, 2007 6:03 pm ET)
         

      Isn't that sweet; Hillary's faith is being questioned, meanwhile when Bush was running for President he claimed a miiion times he was compassionate. Can anyone offer prove where Bush has demonstrated an act that can truly be called compassionate?

      Not a single Conservative pundit ever wrote and article detailing an incident in the life of Bush where it can truly be called compassionate.

      We have a moment in the life of Bush where he mocked a death row inmate.

      The real reason for the bogus Compassionate Bush and the bogus Compassionate Conservative propaganda bulloney is this:

      Conservatives want to peddle government should not help the needy; that charity should be the sole source for the needy. The real reason for this line of bull from Conservatives is they want someone else to do the charity and if no one does to bad.

      Jesus giving out five thousand loafs of bread.

      Conservative: Whoa, wait a minute Jesus you shouldn't be doing that.

      Jesus: Why shouldn't I?

      Conservative: Because they're bums, if they want a loaf of bread they should be selling thier first born to us Conservatives.

      Jesus: That's kind of a steep price you're asking for isn't is?

      Conservative: You got something against profit? Anyway why don't you give us Conservatives the loaf of bread instead.

      Jesus: But you have 50 loafs already of which half of them will rot.

      Conservatives: Yes but we will have 51 loafs when you give us one, get it?

      Jesus: No I don't get it. Why should I give you who have 50 loafs and not them who have none?

      Conservative: You didn't bow to the golden calf did you?

      Jesus: No I didn't

      Conservative: Well that explains it; because we did.

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      • Author by conleytgwinn (July 08, 2007 6:39 pm ET)
           

        Good post: the persona were drawn so well.

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      • Author by anyfreedomleft (July 09, 2007 10:07 am ET)
           

        I have to disagree ... Bush has shown great compassion to the long-suffering billionaires and oil and insurance companies ...

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    • Author by leatherhelmet (July 08, 2007 7:17 pm ET)
         

      "The article also quoted evangelical pastor Rev. Gordon MacDonald, who advised the Clintons in the aftermath of the Monica Lewinsky affair, stating that "[t]hey would have times of prayer at breakfast."

      Hillary, head bent and hands clasped in thoughtful prayer at breakfast "Please Lord, stop me from pulling a Lorraine Bobbitt."

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      • Author by conleytgwinn (July 08, 2007 9:38 pm ET)
           

        Hey, don't knock it - she didn't (pull a Lorena), whether because her prayers were answered, or because she is a wee bit classier than you credit.

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      • Author by dave_chicago (July 09, 2007 9:14 am ET)
           

        Her prayer worked, didn't it? We need someone with connections like that.

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    • Author by Limit Corp. Ownership (July 09, 2007 12:48 am ET)
         

      Mr. Luo,

      Kindly try to pry your head from your butt, and see if you could possibly write an article that would at least make a 6th-grader proud.

       

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    • Author by anyfreedomleft (July 09, 2007 10:04 am ET)
         

      So, "conservative bloggers" are "legitimate sources" (especially the ones who claimed that Bill raped pre-teen Chelsea ...), but "liberal sources" armed with tons of facts are "blatherings"?

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      • Author by HuntingtonBeachLefty (July 09, 2007 10:42 am ET)
           

        You're catching on, AFL. This has been explained by several of the nuttiest  right wing posters here on a daily basis.

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    • Author by pete bogs (July 09, 2007 11:51 am ET)
         

      oh, well know only Republicants can be sincere in their faith... by definition...

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    • Author by Darth Nader (July 09, 2007 5:33 pm ET)
         

      Why is MM trying to prove the NYTimes, the second most liberal paper in America behind the LATimes, is guilty of pushing a conservative agenda or misinformation?

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