CNN's Dobbs said Clinton is "selling out our middle class" on H-1B visas, but ignored GOP candidates
On the July 9 edition of CNN's Lou Dobbs Tonight, Dobbs reported that Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton (D-NY) "repeated her call for an increase in the number of H-1B visas" during a recent speech to the Indian Institute of Technology, adding that Clinton "backs a plan that would raise the number of H-1[B] visas to 115,000 from the current level of 65,000." Dobbs teased the segment by saying, "Tonight, Senator Hillary Clinton facing charges she's selling out our middle class to boost her presidential ambitions. Is the senator putting the interest of India ahead of working Americans?" In highlighting only Clinton's position on the issue, Dobbs ignored positions taken by Republican presidential candidates Sen. John McCain (AZ), former New York City Mayor Rudy Giuliani, and Sen. Sam Brownback (KS) in support of plans "that would raise the number of H-1 visas to 115,000 from the current level of 65,000." GOP presidential candidate and former Massachusetts Gov. Mitt Romney has also expressed his support for the H1-B visa program. Dobbs did not suggest that Giuliani, McCain, Brownback, or Romney are "selling out our middle class" or "putting the interest of India ahead of working Americans." In addition, both Dobbs and CNN correspondent Louise Schiavone suggested that Clinton was a hypocrite for supporting an increase in the number of H1-B visas issued while opposing the outsourcing of American jobs. Neither Dobbs nor Schiavone explained how Clinton's positions on these issues amount to hypocrisy.
On May 25, 2006, the Senate passed the Comprehensive Immigration Reform Act of 2006, which both Brownback and McCain voted for and co-sponsored. As a May 25, 2006, Washington Post report noted, the bill "[i]ncreases the number of H1-B visas for skilled workers from 65,000 to 115,000 annually, beginning in 2007." The legislation did not pass, because efforts to reconcile the Senate bill with the House immigration bill failed. In addition, on June 28, McCain voted to invoke cloture on the Comprehensive Immigration Reform Act of 2007, which "would have authorized U.S. employers to hire 225,000 to 290,000 H-1B workers per year," according to a June 30 San Francisco Chronicle article. Brownback voted against the cloture measure, which failed.
During a December 8, 1998, speech to the Mayor's Task Force on Biomedical Research and Development, while discussing "New York City's greatest resource beyond anything else that I've mentioned ... immigration," Giuliani asserted: "The cap on H1-B visas was 65,000 per year; Congress has approved an increase to 115,000 for fiscal years 1999 and 2000. And given where the Congress was a few years ago in its anti-immigrant feelings and attitudes, this is a step in the right direction."
In a February 7 appearance on CNBC's Kudlow & Company, Romney said, "We do have a visa program for people who come in on migrant workers visas. We have H1-B visas." He continued: "Let's bring in people who bring skill and particular abilities that we need in our economy rather than opening floodgates."
Discussing Clinton's speech, Schiavone asserted: "[I]t's transparently inconsistent to rail against outsourcing while at the same time telling businessmen with foreign ties that what the country needs is more of them." Dobbs replied: "Absolutely." Throughout the segment, CNN ran a graphic reading, "Hillary's Hypocrisy?: Calls for More Guest Workers." But at no point during the segment did Schiavone or Dobbs address why it is either "hypocrisy" or "transparently inconsistent" to support increasing the number of H-1B visas issued to foreign workers, allowing them to work in the United States, while opposing the outsourcing of American jobs overseas.
From the July 9 edition of CNN's Lou Dobbs Tonight:
DOBBS: Wolf [Blitzer, host of CNN's The Situation Room], thanks very much. Tonight, Senator Hillary Clinton facing charges she's selling out our middle class to boost her presidential ambitions. Is the senator putting the interest of India ahead of working Americans?
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DOBBS: Presidential candidate Senator Hillary Clinton, speaking to the Indian Institute of Technology, repeated her call for an increase in the number of H-1B visas. Senator Clinton backs a plan that would raise the number of H-1 visas to 115,000 from the current level of 65,000.
But in that same speech, the senator also raised the concern that American workers have about losing their jobs to outsourcing. Now, the senator is courting Indian-American voters, and they're exerting an increasing influence in U.S. politics. And they have the very highest average income of any group.
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SCHIAVONE: The question is asked, what high-tech skills and training do Indians possess at this juncture that Americans don't?
STEVE CAMAROTA (Center for Immigration Studies): If a job outsources to another country, the Democrats aren't reluctant to say, "Hey, that's a problem. Let's think about that. Do we want to do that?" But if the job is lost to a foreigner who comes here, the Democrats are [whistling]. They don't -- they're not interested.
SCHIAVONE: A spokesman for Senator Clinton says the New York Democrat supports the use of H-1B visa fees to train American workers to eventually, quote, "cut back on the need for foreign workers."
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SCHIAVONE: Lou, telling your audience what it wants to hear isn't exactly a new political gambit. But it's transparently inconsistent to rail against outsourcing while at the same time telling businessmen with foreign ties that what the country needs is more of them -- Lou.
DOBBS: Absolutely. And we should point out that about seven out of 10 of those visas are going to Indian companies. The largest companies using H-1B visas are Indian companies in this country outsourcing jobs. And those Indian employees are coming in on average of $12,000 a year less than their -- the prevailing wage for their American counterparts.
You know, it's really quite extraordinary. And not only Senator Hillary Clinton, of course, but the world's -- well, now he's the second-richest man in the world, Bill Gates saying, "Just have unlimited visas. It'll all be good." Quite a place, that nation's capital and your city. Louise Schiavone, from Washington, thank you.
From the February 7 edition of CNBC's Kudlow & Company:
ROMNEY: I don't favor the McCain-Kennedy bill. I don't favor a guest worker program if associated with that you bring families in, they stay for three years, and they get an automatic renewal, another three years, then another automatic renewal. I think in that case, you're potentially opening a door to a vast number of immigrants that, frankly, would prevent us from being able to bring in people from all over the world, immigrants that can help and build our economy.
Look, we're a nation of immigrants. We're almost all descendents of immigrants or immigrants ourselves. That's a wonderful thing about this country, gives us vitality and energy in our -- in our culture and our technology. But we want to make sure that we bring in people from all over the world that have the skills and education that make us a stronger land. And the guest worker program as suggested in McCain-Kennedy is a -- is a course that I think is off a bit. We do have a visa program for people who come in on migrant workers visas. We have H1-B visas. Let's bring in people who bring skill and particular abilities that we need in our economy rather than opening floodgates, which I understand the Heritage Foundation has said that McCain-Feingold would result in some 100 or 200 million immigrants coming into the country. That's too big of a bite.















NEW ELEMENT "Du" DISCOVERED A major research institution (probably funded by a government subsidy) has just announced the discovery of the densest element yet known to science. The new element has been named "Bushcronium". Bushcroniumhas one neutron, 12 assistant neutrons, 75 deputy neutrons, and 224 assistant deputy neutrons, giving it an atomic mass of 311.
These particles are held together by dark forces called morons, which are surrounded by vast quantities of lepton-like particles called peons. The symbol for Bushcronium is "Du", as the symbol "W" was already taken by Tungsten.
Bushcronium' s mass actually increases over time, as morons randomly interact with various elements in the atmosphere and become assistant deputy neutrons in a Bushcronium molecule, forming isodopes.
This characteristic of moron-promotion leads some scientists to believe that Bushcronium is formed whenever morons reach a certain quantity in concentration. This hypothetical quantity is referred to as "Critical Morass".When catalyzed with money, Bushcronium activates Foxnewsium, an element that radiates orders of magnitude more energy, albeit as incoherent noise, since it has 1/2 as many peons but twice as many morons.
The "nucular" reaction alluded to below where Du combines with Foxnewsium (Fx) when bombarded by a moron beam yields: Du + m (morons) + Fx = DumFx which is sometimes phonetically pronounced to describe the nature of the isodope produced.Although Faux Noise is the only “news” element mentioned in the formula, any other “news” element, i.e., CNN, ABC, CBS, WoPo, WSJ, etc., could be used just as well and get the same isodope.
I would like to say that I come up with this witty but overlooked scientific discovery. However, it was sent to me and I know not from where it came. I just want as many citizens as possible to think about it and ponder its message.
Why don't you go for the record and post this on all the threads?
Nah, think I'll quit now that at least one isodope has came forward to acknowledge his place in the universe. Just need to get RINO Hunter, copiousdissent.blogspot.com, leatherhelmet, cann0nba11, and all the other isodopes bouncing around to do the same.
This whole "guest worker" program stinks. What was it called in the '50s? Balceros? Indentured servants, more like it. which is what my grandmother was at 15 when she immigrated from Norway (for 5 years)
I'd like to see the U.S.: crack down on employers who hire illegals. Pressure Mexico to clean up it's corruption and improve its economy. Enact a reasonable immigration policy that has a clear path to citizenship. for starters.
oops, that was "braceros". Companies still want that cheap labor.
So, the article is saying "yeah, this is true about Hillary but --waah-- it's true about other guys too." Wow. That's crackerjack.
Hint: McCain is an also-ran. In fact, his immigration support doomed his already slim chances at the nomination. Brownback is an also-ran. Period. He was probably a past tense before he even announced.Giuliani will not get the Republican nomination. Plus, no one is surprised with him taking a pro-immigration stance (legal or otherwise). Now with Romney, maybe it's a story.
But Hillary could very easily run the table to the Democratic nomination. So, yeah, there will be some stories about her when the media doesn't say "And a guy in Dubuque believes the same thing as Hillary." I'm not sure Media Matters needs to prove their worth on something like that.
what makes you so sure guiliani will not get the nomination? he's up there in the polls. sort of contradicts your assertion that only the "also rans" think this.
Where is DOBBS' analysis of whether having these workers HELPS America or HURTS America? After all, this is only an increase in an already existing number. If that 75,000 that are already here are HARMING America, THAT is the report we need to hear. Or, conversely, if having these workers is making us more productive, adding to everything good workers bring ... good neighbors, consumerism, etc, ... then what is the problem with increasing the number? They'll take AMERICAN jobs? WTF? Don't we NOW have full employment? Room to expand? I don't get it.
Wait. I DO get it. The idea is to scare or disgust voters into NOT voting for Hillary. So she will be bashed, even if the alternatives propose the exact same thing. THEY will NOT be bashed, so disgusted-with-Hillary voters who turn to the alternatives ... that's no problem to Dobbs.
In any event, our "NEWS" organizations are supposed to analyze the ISSUE first, the pros and cons, the status quo and how it's working out, and THEN take a look at what ALL candidates are proposing on that issue. THEN there is true service to the voter and citizen. Instead, the "lead" in every story is why HILLARY is the one "selling out the middle class".
It's this myopic focus on Hillary by the Rightwing Media that has MMFA busy exposing the bias. Some whine that this makes MMFA a "pro Hillary" site, but those people ignore that every single MMFA thread has as its subject a direct example of BIAS in the MEDIA, and that bias is decidedly anti-Hillary and getting worse.
REMEMBER HUNTLEY AND BRINKLEY. THEY READ THE NEWS WITH LITTLE COMMENT. THAT COMMENT WAS RARELY ON A CANDIDATE AND WHEN IT WAS THERE WAS STYLE CLASS ATTACHED TO IT.THEY LET YOU BE THE JUDGE OF YOUR WORLD AND THE PEOPLE IN IT.I THINK THE NEWS READERS OF TODAY WHO CONSIDER THEMSELVES PROPHETS CAN LEARN A LESSON FROM THEM.
Whoa, tone down the all caps, buddy. If you're hard to read, people won't read you.
Huntley was before my time, but I remember Brinkley, and he (and Cronkite, and Chancellor, and a few others) was a comforting presence indeed. The only time I ever heard Brinkley offering an opinion, it was a nasty statement about Bill Clinton in 1992, for which he later gave a manly and heartfelt apology.
The glory has certainly departed from American journalism.
Really you have to have workers for middle class type jobs. The United Stats has, unfortunately not bee focused on educating for either science or technology based fields. This was explained in 1989 by Paul Averich, who described a lack of science or technology policy focused on education. More recently Friedman in The Flat Earth described the policy results, a dearth of domestically educated science or technology people. So, in form, since busness and management are preferred we will need scientists and technical support staff for those well educated business mangers.
Dobbs is just flat out wrong on this issue. The people trying to get H1-B visa's are highly skilled educated individuals that greatly benefit society. These are exactly the kind of people we should be welcoming here with open arms rather than poor, unskilled, migrant workers who don't speak English and send all their money back home.
the question is are they being brought here to replace americans at a lower price. there is some evidence that they are.
a company has to pay $1300 or more (may have gone up in the last couple years) to apply and sponsor an H1-B Visa. Explain to me how that saves the employer money??
Also, a requirement for the granting and continued renewal of an H1-B Visa is that a worker's salary is at or near the mean salary for the particular position. So this idea that you can bring in foreign computer programmers and pay them $25,000 a year isn't true.
Elitist snob. Labor is noble.
There is nobility in labor, I don't care who is performing the task, ghrino.