O'Reilly again asserted that "hate-filled" Daily Kos "rivals the KKK and Nazi websites"
During the July 19 edition of Fox News' The O'Reilly Factor, while discussing JetBlue's demand that its logo be removed from the homepage of the YearlyKos convention, host Bill O'Reilly said of the blog Daily Kos: "[T]he hate this site traffics in rivals the KKK and Nazi websites." In recent days, O'Reilly has repeatedly criticized JetBlue's decision to provide several travel vouchers to the convention organizers and compared Daily Kos to the Nazis and the Ku Klux Klan. As Media Matters for America noted, O'Reilly responded to a viewer complaint on the July 17 edition of The O'Reilly Factor by asserting that "[t]he comparison is valid" and that "[t]hat website traffics in [hate], as do the Nazi websites. No difference." O'Reilly further asserted during the July 19 program, "Unfortunately, some Americans do wallow in hate. So an Internet site can do some business peddling that garbage, and there are a few radio and ... TV performers ... who make a living smearing people as well. But corporations and powerful people must understand their responsibility to reject the haters and not support them in any way."
Later on the July 19 program, during a discussion with Fox News contributor Jane Hall and conservative author Bernard Goldberg, O'Reilly asserted that "nothing on the right compares to what's on" Daily Kos. Goldberg agreed and claimed that "[w]hen it comes to the Web, the left is winning by about 20 miles on the hate meter." As Media Matters noted, an Indiana University study found that "O'Reilly called a person or a group a derogatory name once every 6.8 seconds, on average, or nearly nine times every minute during the ['Talking Points Memo'] editorials that open his program each night." Moreover, Media Matters has documented numerous examples of conservative media figures and bloggers advocating violence against their political opponents.
The blog Think Progress reported that JetBlue has responded to O'Reilly's denunciation of its support for YearlyKos by telling the convention organizers to remove the JetBlue logo from their website.
From the July 19 edition of Fox News' The O'Reilly Factor:
O'REILLY: JetBlue changes strategy. That's the subject of this evening's "Talking Points Memo." Earlier this week, we confronted JetBlue CEO Dave Barger about his airline sponsoring a conference held by the hate-filled website the Daily Kos. That far-left concern routinely posts vile thoughts such as [White house press secretary] Tony Snow should die from cancer, the pope is a primate, and Israel deserves to be attacked.
The hate this website traffics in rivals the KKK and Nazi websites. Since JetBlue was the only major company sponsoring the Kos conference, we wanted to know why. So we confronted Barger.
Well, today the CEO sent us this statement, quote: "Because the only thing JetBlue has done with the YearlyKos convention is to provide 10 travel vouchers, we've asked to have our name removed from their website to avoid confusion. We're an airline. We're not a political organization," unquote.
We also asked JetBlue if they've helped the U.S. military in any way, and they sent us a list of their donations, which we posted on BillOReilly.com. And we applaud JetBlue's contribution in that area.
Now, the mistake JetBlue made was hooking up with haters. There's no room for that in America. Any corporation or politician who associates with character assassins and/or defamers will be scrutinized. A number of Democratic politicians are set to speak at the Kos convention. We'll report on that next week.
The rise of the Internet has led to a rise in hatred in the USA. There's no question about it. Coming up, in the "Most Ridiculous Item" tonight, we'll show you an example of right-wing hatred. So it cuts both ways.
The good news is, most Americans reject the politicians [sic] of hate. We saw that with the Air America Radio network. People just wouldn't listen to the vitriol spouted on that thing, and it went bankrupt.
Unfortunately, some Americans do wallow in hate. So an Internet site can do some business peddling that garbage, and there are a few radio and T performers -- TV performers, I should say -- who make a living smearing people as well. But corporations and powerful people must understand their responsibility to reject the haters and not support them in any way.
That's what JetBlue missed.
[...]
HALL: You've basically driven them off by saying they were sponsoring a website, compared it to KKK. I really disagree with what you've done. I'd like to see you look into hate on the right, and then I'll really -- you know, let's put your researchers on that.
O'REILLY: Well, it's nothing on the right compares to what's on this. What do you think, Bernie?
GOLDBERG: Yeah. First of all, I totally agree with that last statement that you made. It's always -- we're always comfortable saying, "Well, there are haters on the left and haters on the right." When it comes to the Web, the left is winning by about 20 miles on the hate meter.
O'REILLY: You bet.
HALL: Well, if you calculated that, I'd like to see it.
O'REILLY: Come on, Jane. Hey, let her -- let him talk.
GOLDBERG: Yeah, I did. I calculated it. It's 20-to-1.
Here's the thing that bothers me. Presidential candidates on the Democratic Party are going to go in front of this convention, and I guarantee you that mainstream reporters, mainstream newspapers and TV networks will never, ever mention the things that this website puts out. Markos Moulitsas, the head of it, is a very nasty guy and therefore encourages other people to write nasty stuff.
O'REILLY: Period. They traffic in it.
We also asked JetBlue if they've helped the U.S. military in any way, and they sent us a list of their donations, which we posted on BillOReilly.com. And we applaud JetBlue's contribution in that area.
Where on the site did they post that? I can't find it anywhere. Unless it's on the section you have to pay for.
O'Reilly needs to stop with the KKK and Nazi comparisons here, it makes him look like a fool. Hmm... I mean, he needs to make MORE KKK and Nazi comparisons.
Never mind, I found it. It was under the link titled "JetBlue changes course", which I assumed was the same as the one I had already clicked on called "JetBlue changes course over DailyKos".
A little more creativity in the linkage, please. :)
Good for O'Reilly, America needs to know that hate is getting worse in America.
What? Yes... Americans learn everything they need to know about hate just listening to O'Reilly... he's like the primer for Hate 101. Please.
I agree Sue, Hate is hate, why MMFA defends a hate site is beyond me.
No. Anyone who disagrees with Bill O'Reilly he considers a 'hate' site. Try reading some of your favorite right-wing sites, if you want a taste of the 'hate'.
I do not have any favorite Right wing web sites, I am sure however there are plenty that are hateful. Take the partisan glasses off and look at this fairly. Daily Kos is disgusting with Kos profanity and hate speech.
#1 - vociferous disagreement and hate are not equal... #2 - Daily Kos is a blog site... there will times when people post and say absurd things... O'Reilly is pulling at straws and attempting equate free-speech with Naziism and the KKK. I disagree.
Then Kos should pull off profanity and personal attacks .
Probably true... it seems to work for this site.
Because this site is credible, KOS is not he engages in petty childish profanity.
"KOS ... engages in petty childish profanity"
One thing you don't see much of on dailykos.com are childish, right-wing trolls who visit for the sole purpose of trash-talk the site and take petty jabs at other posters.
No he doesn't but some posters there do, and if you can't make the distinction you have no credibility.
You provided a couple examples of what you consider to be hate. Both culled from anonymous posters remarks and that god awful cnsn web site that I wouldn't trust with my laundry. Your argument is simply weak.
There are many many conservative blogs that have vile postings in the comment sections as well, I assume they don’t have the finances to hire chat room moderators; but I don’t try to take down Red State because of something a really stupid anonymous poster said. When I visit blogs like that I generally skip the comment section. I suggest Sueld and Bill O'rielly do the same thing or maybe they could volunteer chat room moderator services to these blogs instead of feigning outrage and blaming the bloggers that they have political disagreements with for the behavior of stupid people that they don’t know.
Hey Lynn, how about actually citing some examples instead of just making stuff up...
For starters, show us some examples where a right-wing site wished a prominent politician dead or said the world would be better off with a Democratic administration official dead or labeled the military as "Killitary" and wrote a whole article about how people in the military are more likely to become serial killers.
MMFA is pretty loose with not editing the incoherent rantings of crazy people, though.
I'm not talkiing about anyone in particular, just in general.
They could do that. But if they choose to let posters be self sensoring that's their right as well. I don't post there, but read several instances where if someone says something way out of line you will see a dozen or more posts from others excoriating the person. And they seem to have added a report function like we have here.
Oooooh, profanity! You mean like the kind Cheney uses on the Senate floor? Or that Bush uses stupidly around an open mic?
Bush is a moron and Cheney is disgusting, again what do they have to do with the Daily Kos and its hate speech?
Bush is a war criminal and so Cheney .
You just called someone a moron and another disgusting. You are a hater by your own standards.
I called Bush a moron and did not use profanity. If that is hate speech I am guilty.
I don't consider it hate speech but those are your standards. A couple more posts from you like that and MMfA is now a hate site.
Then Kos should pull off profanity and personal attacks .
- SueEld / Friday July 20, 2007 05:04:17 PM EST
You admit to calling Bush a moron, so you probably want your post yanked from here.
Elsewhere you attacked me personally without substantiation. Perhaps I should have that post yanked, too, since it's a personal attack.
Huh. Just a moment ago you said you didn't call DailyKos a hate site. Now you're saying they have hate speech on the site.
You're the one that's equating profanity with hate. Bush and Cheney have demonstrated that they use profanity, and in truly inappropriate manners and places. So are they haters?
Of course Bush and Cheney are haters.
In that case, Sue, who isn't? What's the value of the category if it is practically universal?
By using yours and O'Reilly standards, everyone is a Nazi.
JLyons- I also find KOS to be a disgusting person. He is a bomb thrower and calls people names. But O'reilly is again using this to divide people and make something (JUST like Christmas) that is not there.
"I do not have any favorite Right wing web sites, I am sure however there are plenty that are hateful."
So let's see, there are other sites that "you are sure are hateful". So you must be picking on dailykos purely at random. Because you yourself couldn't possibly be "partisan" since you're scolding other posters as being too "partisan". Otherwise, you'd be quite the hypocrite.
Yeah, but I'm not expecting Sue to apologize for being wrong about what she claimed I said. That requires class.
Yep. I remember how vociferously you and Sue opposed the last Ann Coulter column, and your vow to boycott Savageweiners sponsors.
Very reassuring that society has two guard dogs of decency such as yourselves prowling the gate.
Ann Coulter is disgusting and a hater but irrelevant to this topic.
No, she's totally relevant, because if you watched the whole section you'd see that O'Reilly doesn't list her or Maulkin as an example of right wing hatred. He only mentions Fred Phelps, the moron who protests soldier's funerals. Interestingly enough, Phelps criticized O'Reilly...
And O'Reilly didn't list himself either. This was on the DKos site...
Oh, wait. I know. Bill O’Reilly thinks we’re extremist because we are all so mean and say controversial things, even though I’m quite sure we’re not the ones who::
Agreeing with O'Reilly that the Daily Kos is a hate site does not equate that anyone here agrees with the outrageous hateful things he has said. Stop being partisan.
Agreeing with O'Reilly that the Daily Kos is a hate site does not equate that anyone here agrees with the outrageous hateful things he has said. Stop being partisan.
Do you see anywhere where I said people here agree with what O'Reilly said? You are jumping to conclusions and putting words in my mouth which is far more partisan.
SUEELD:
Just so I understand your "RULES", you're saying that KOS and ONLY KOS can be discussed here, that you'll harbor no comparisons to RIGHTWING HATRED on the air or on the net, even though O'Reilly himself has made Rightwing hate purveyors part of this discussion?
See, when the call is to ELIMINATE hate, this does not limit discussion to KOS. I wonder why your adamantly dismissing any reference to anything other than KOS. You seem to want to isolate a target instead of addressing the actual widespread "problem" ... if in fact, free speech IS a "problem."
You say that all the time, stop being partisan. That doesn't pertain to this. There was no partisanship there. Do you know what the word means?
Right wingers have a a lower standard of acceptable behavior for for other right wingers, Billy boy's no different. It's like Bernie Goldberg's book the 100 People That Are Ruining America, all but three people on his list were Liberals. The liberals included people like Barbra Striesand, Michael Moore, Harry Belafonte, Jimmy Carter.... he only named 3 conservatives and one of them had been convicted of bombing abortion clinics. Yeah it's a very different measure they use.
No, she's not irrelevant to this topic. The topic is hate speech, and Ann Coulter is it's spokesmodel. The Allie McBeal/Rickles clone is a syndicated columnist, supposedly a higher level than any anonymous Kos commenter. Common sense would tell you that if you're really so outraged at hate speech, Coulter would make a more likely object of your outrage than some anonymous Kos posters. So cut the self-righteous garbage, and realize that there are people out there smarter than yourself who can discriminate the anonymous nutcase comments from the valid articles. Is your own self-doubt to discriminate likewise what drives you to rely on imbeciles like O'Really to make up your mind for you?
I am not sure AC is irrelevant here, Jlyons. O'Reilly has had her on his show as a fairly regular guest in the past. For him to allow her a forum on television is far worse, in my opinion, than letting people post profane comments.
How does Bill feel about letting Michelle Malkin host his show when he leaves?
The most ironic thing to me about this episode was his inclusion of Goldberg who wrote the 100 people who are screwing up America book. It would seem (I know he probably didn't use profanity in his book) that he makes his living hating people, does he not?
hey.... nice use of the word 'vociferous' - jinx!
I one-upped ya - I used "vociferously".
Pthbthbthbthbbbt!
by the way, Greek. I'd like to say that I used it independently, not copying you. But I can't guarantee that it didn't come from my subconscious vocabulary cache for use in my commentI after I read your post. If that's the case, I apologize for my plagiarism.
I hate when that happens.
Actually, I was typing my comment and, when I posted it... your comment was there. Simultanous bloviation - the stars are aligned ;-)
Ann Coulter is a hater, find where I ever supported that witch, Just because I do not like the hate in the KOS website, does not equate me with loving Ann Coulter.
Explain how the DailyKos is equivalent to the KKK or other hate sites.
I did not say that BO did.
I did not say that [the DailyKos is equivalent to the KKK or other hate sites] BO did.
Your lack of a comma gives the sentence a meaning you probably didn't intend. But if you meant to say you don't think that the DailyKos is equivalent to the KKK or other hate sites, then you have some explaining to do:
Good for O'Reilly, America needs to know that hate is getting worse in America.- SueEld / Friday July 20, 2007 04:40:28 PM EST I agree Sue, Hate is hate, why MMFA defends a hate site is beyond me.- JLyons / Friday July 20, 2007 04:49:30 PM EST
(No follow up from you to clarify JLyons point, though you do respond about profanity later in that same thread.)
Here you defend your agreement with BO: Agreeing with O'Reilly that the Daily Kos is a hate site does not equate that anyone here agrees with the outrageous hateful things he has said. Stop being partisan.- SueEld / Friday July 20, 2007 05:05:24 PM EST
Not sure what your point is? Are you saying I am not allowed to even suggest Kos is hate otherwise I am a O'Reilly fan?
Just say everyone hates including you and O'Reilly instead of focusing on Kos.
I thought it was obvious that the point was that you lied.
You said
I did not say that BO did.
And yet you had. And have since. When called on it, you denied it. Now your head scratching over would reduce your credibility further if any was left.
O'Reilly said they were the KKK, I know Sue and I said they were a hate site, why can you not see the difference.
I wrote "Explain how the DailyKos is equivalent to the KKK or other hate sites."
She said she never said that. I posted where she did.
Why can't YOU understand THAT?
She won't answer direct questions about what makes a site a "hate site." Or if a site should be held responsible for the comments posted by readers (who could be fanatic liberals or conservatives posting inflammatory speech just to start a thrash.) And now she's been caught in a clear lie. So she's either trolling, or unable to hold up her end in even the simplest of debates. Regardless, it makes any thing she says of questionable value.
Yeah there we go again, anyone who has a different opinion is a troll. Real strong debate there Marvie.
Marv didn't say that she was a troll because she had a differing opinion. He clearly said why she was a troll. If you can't understand that, you've got a reading comprehension problem. Either that or you're distorting what he said on purpose, which would make you a troll.
I'll give him the benefit of the doubt and just say he's got reading comprehension problems.
A sexual predator like O'Reilly is lecturing us on what is hate and what is not? Screw him. When he goes after the right wing sites advocating murder, death and mayhem then maybe I will take him seriously. Or... maybe not. No one trusts or respects a sexual predator! (Bill O'Reilly, that would be you!)
geez, this is a depressing clip. why in the name of all that is holy is Jane Hall so damned respectful in raising her objections? Can't she just come out and say that these guys are frkin nuts? Murdoch can't be paying her that much to play the inevitable role of the liberal milquetoast. Yeah, a mainstream progressive blog and a website run by a family (the Phelps) of inbred rejects from the Deliverance casting call who picket soldiers' funerals. Yeah, that comparison makes a lot of sense. Yeah, Bill, you maniac, these are just different stripes of hate, right? Do you have a loofa for a brain? Has this whole country lost its collective mind? This is on TV????? I then heard that JetBlue caved. I just can't take it anymore.
Jet Blue should not be associated to a political group, good for them. Hate and division need to stop in our nation if we are ever going to recover from the Bush years. Daily Kos is an example of hate.
Only in your world. You won't find a single example of a Kos article espousing the hate you claim.
Read the hate here toward Lieberman
There is hate all over this website
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2007/7/1/12729/08767
You could do a google search and find thousand of hate examples.
I like the KOS website. I've gone on to find lots of interesting websites following links there. It would be interesting to me to read a forum hosted by the FOX news channel but can't find one.
I think it's on you to prove your case by providing some of those "thousands."
Where's the hate? I read the article and the author never called Lieberman any names.
he was called an ahole
By a poster or the author? An ahole? My wife's called me worse. You can't seriously buy that as a hate. You'll have to do better than that.
Using the word Fa*got?
If you are referring to a poster then dang near every blog is a hate site. It's your prerogative, but I find it laughable.
Bing,
I used to occasionally venture over to Kos just to see what they were chatting about. They are a pretty repulsive bunch. Huffington's posters aren't much better.
Kudos to MMFA for not allowing this site to become a free for all like so many others have.
Both Kos & Huffington [and I'm sure there are right-wing sites as well] have probably earned the "hate" label because of their posters. I mean some of the stuff is just downright nasty.
But to compare either of them to the KKK or Nazis is just more of O'Reilly's buffoonery
I hear you man but I just don't accept the premise that some of the posters act like juveniles. But that doesn't change the content of the articles posted there. I never read the posters because I am not interested.
Bing, I don't bother with Kos anymore, haven't it a long while. I still check out Huffington, mostly to read the articles. The posters there, well most of them anyway, just post crap.
It makes me appreciative to have found this site to post on.
That's why i post here too. To be honest i don't hit Kos too often because what he covers is usually covered elsewhere better. ThinkProgress comes to mind. i choose to post here because it appears that MMfA does have moderators that will knock you off if you are too over the top. I think HuffPo just had a revamp. I'm wondering if they might clean up their act in the way this site has.
Sam Adams Cherry Wheat cures all ills btw.
ding ding ding! We've just had our official "It's Friday!" statement! I'm bringing the boddington's and my famous fiesta ranch dip.
"Bing, I don't bother with Kos anymore, haven't it a long while. I still check out Huffington, mostly to read the articles. The posters there, well most of them anyway, just post crap."
I like The Huffington Post because it's so crazy. When I use to post over there, I got a lot of attacks from conservatives and I responded with an attack. That's basically the way it went for all posters and no one complained about it. I know some people care if they are personally attacked on a website but I don't care if people attack me.
And I posted four comments over at Free Republic two or three years ago and you should have saw some of the attacks on me personally and liberals in general. I stopped posting when someone at the site put a disclaimer under my post about my positions and views and yet there were no disclaimers under people who were posting crap about liberals.
I was also banned after one post on some conservative site and I don't know why. I didn't attack anyone but all of them sure attacked me. And recently I posted at some conservative site called Gay Patriot. Again I didn't attack anyone but attacks on me were fast and furious. I responded to any points made in a comment addressing me. It was me alone debating about ten conservatives and it was fun.
I used to occasionally venture over to Kos just to see what they were chatting about. They are a pretty repulsive bunch. Huffington's posters aren't much better.
Then you probably understand how disgusting someone of the progressive persuasion finds right wing talk on right wing sites.
Or amongst right wingers. Here's a great article about a cruise for National Republic subscribers that captures just a taste of what right wingers say when they think we aren't listening. Kind of heart warming to know that my fellow citizens think I should be strung up for holding a point of view different from theirs.
Then you probably understand how disgusting someone of the progressive persuasion finds right wing talk on right wing sites.
Absolutely Marv. I've read a few Right-wing sites that have posters just as hateful sounding as some over at Kos.
Thanks for the Link...Interesting article :-O
There are extremists on both sides spewing this kind of hate. Thankfully their numbers are small.
Jeter apparently in the world of Marv , if you even question Kos you are a supporter of the right wing and a hater.
Please demonstrate where I've said that.
You have done nothing but viciously attack Sue and myself becuase we DARED to make the statement that we feel KOS is a hate site. Apparently you feel KOS is a saint.
You have done nothing but viciously attack Sue and myself becuase we DARED to make the statement that we feel KOS is a hate site. Apparently you feel KOS is a saint.
You have not been viciously attacked. That's a terrible distortion of reality. You have had your talking points (and please don't bother trying to claim they're not talking points, because it will only make you look less credible) totally debunked is what has happened. It just feels brutal to you, but that's because you're more wedded to your talking points than you are to the truth.
DailyKos is not a hate site. There have been some hateful posts on that site, but that doesn't make it a hate site. I'm sorry you can't understand that.
Markos, the guy who runs DailyKos, is not the same as all the posters who post there.
Just because someone clearly and truthfully says that DailyKos is not a hate site, that doesn't mean that they think that the site is perfect or that Markos is a saint.
What a terrible affliction it must be to be restricted to thinking in black and white.
You have done nothing but viciously attack Sue and myself becuase we DARED to make the statement that we feel KOS is a hate site. Apparently you feel KOS is a saint.
And now I put the same challenge to you: Show where I have "viciously attack"ed you or Sueeld. Then for extra credit, show where I've said anything that implies that I think DailyKos is a worthy read or not. I won't even insist that you show where I called KOS saintly.
Of course, you won't be able to. You prefer to just toss around unsubstantiated nonsense when your weak arguments run out of steam.
Jeter apparently in the world of Marv , if you even question Kos you are a supporter of the right wing and a hater.
And frankly, I find this statement by Sueeld above insulting and worthy of apology. I won't hold by breath for a retraction, though.
Apparently in your mind a vicious attack is someone who steadfastly disagrees with you. I've seen no name calling or threats directed your way. You seem confused. I'm sorry did I just attack you?
I just don't get your standards. An attack is a differing opinion or a challenge to yours. Hate is any use of a naughty word. And most laughable, you actually used a source from CNSN or whatever, that quoted an anonymous blogger and links to pictures of headlines. And you appear to be pretty worked up about all this too.
One more thing, I visited the dailykos this morning and read the entire page and didn't find one example of hate speech. Not one name called, not one derogatory and divisive comment. I read an op-ed by Bill O'Reilly in the local rag and he continued his "far left this and that" rhetoric. There's no comparison. Frankly your comments are pretty weak and irrelevant. Sorry if that hurts your feelings. I could call you a loser toe-head or any number of things but I don't hate yu, just your comments.
I wish the number were smaller, Jeter.
And yeah, I found that article mindblowing. The irony of some of the comments by the cruise passengers... wow.
Oh!!! Sue just posted a profanity! This must be a hate site!
I think this question deserves an answer:
By a poster or the author?
Who called who an "ahole"?
Once again, you won't find a single article written by dkos. You do know the difference between an article and a posting, right?
My point too. Just like MMFA does not endorse what we all write. Yet, O'Reilly also calls MMFA a 'hate' site.
I spent a bit of time at DKOS when I first got on the net
about a year ago. I became a TU. (that means trusted user)
Maybe I can shed a little light on the situation.
There are dozens of articles posted daily by the staff. Some of the articles get hundreds of comments. It is not at all unusual for a post to get 5 or 6 hundred comments. The site is very freewheeling and mostly self-policing. If you like a comment, you can recommend it. If a TU thinks it is over the top, they can troll-rate it. When a comment has a couple more TRs than recs, it is hidden to all but TUs. If TUs then feel the comment has been unfairly hidden, they can rec it. When (if) it has recieved enough recs it becomes visible again. This mostly works out well - although it is best for guys to stay away from feminist issues and anybody not 100% pro Muslim to stay away from anything about Islam.
A lot of militant feminists and Islamists do post there (I am most emphatically not saying that these are official positions of the website, just that Diaries on those subjects are hornet's nests.)
Then there are hundreds of Diaries posted every day. Any user can post a Diary there on any subject within reason. Some of those Diaries also generate hundreds of comments.
In short, to cherrypick comments by a few posters and call Kos a hate site - or even to say it is populated by haters is simply the propaganda of a fascist who hates free speech. And hates even more populist outlets for people who call him on his lies - and know who Andrea Makris is.
Thank you for explaining how the Daily Kos site works. It's a direct democracy in a sense, which is always chaotic.
JLYONS:
Thank you for providing an example of what you consider "HATE".
To avoid any charge of "out of context", I will show the entire contents of the KOS posting here (but not, obviously, the "comments" section which is not produced by KOS, but instead by anonymous contributors.)
Lieberman by Barbin MD
Sun Jul 01, 2007 at 10:49:41 AM PDTApparently there is no limit to what Joe Lieberman will say to defend the Bush administration's policies. Today Lieberman used the discovery of car bombs in London to justify warrantless domestic spying and to dismiss the importance of the subpoenas issued last week by the Senate Judiciary Committee. Via Think Progress:
I hope these terrorist attacks in London wake us up here in America to stop the petty partisan fighting going on about...electronic surveillance.
Of course what Lieberman failed to mention was how the potential attacks in London were thwarted:
The events unfolded when police were called to Haymarket, south of Piccadilly Circus, after a man fell at the nightclub Tiger Tiger, injuring his head, prompting a call for an ambulance around 1:30 a.m. Friday.
When crews arrived, they noticed smoke coming from a green Mercedes parked in front of a club, Clarke said.
And the second potential car bomb was discovered after:
That car had been towed across town to an impound lot; the attendants there, on the alert after news of the first foiled car bombing, smelled gasoline and alerted authorities.
Electronic surveillance, legal or otherwise, had nothing to do with the discovery of this plot. Luck and alert citizens did it. I hope these facts wake Joe up here in America to stop his petty Bush enabling garbage.
Of course Joe never let's a little thing like reality get in the way of trashing Democrats. Lieberman also said that:
...Democratic candidates including Hillary Rodham Clinton, Barack Obama and John Edwards oppose the Iraq war out of deference to "vested interest groups within the left."
Apparently those "vested interest groups within the left" are nearly 70% of the American people. And speaking of Iraq, according to Baghdad Joe:
The surge is working. You might say that in Iraq, we have the enemy on the run.
One might even say they are in their last throes.
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So how about it, JLYONS. Point out the HATE in this story you directed us to see as an example of HATE. I don't see it.
I am NOT Jlyons, but I DID note that there were items from the "seven words" spelled all the way out, on the site; and many more with substitute characters (similar to those we use here, in fact.) While that may not qualify Daily as a "hate" site, it certainly means my granddaughter will have to wait until she is at least six before I will allow her to post there (snicker, snicker).
As to the occasional commenter noting that LIE-bermann is walking compost, or a human stool sample, perhaps my opinion lies too close to theirs to form a meaningful objection?
Except that profanity doesn't equal hate.
I understand your reluctance to allow a youngster to read such a site, but I doubt that many kids would be interested in such a site anyway.
So just about any web site that allows comments could be declared as "filled with hate" by your standards. From Star Wars fans to Harry Potter critics, people have strong opinions. Some right-wingers even go to left-wing sites to post them.
Hey, those Slitherin' fans can be brutal.
I hate evil
And I hate the bastards who want to piss on the constitution and take my freedom away. I can't stand bloviating jerks like O'reilly who do everything possible to demonize me and others like me for supporting truth, justice and the American way. I loathe liars who call themselves journalists and do everything possible to twist, distort, and suppress the truth.
I hate bullies who use positions of power to subject employees to unwanted sexual perversion and threaten to ruin their lives if they dare talk.
Guess what I think of O'Reilly? Oops - did I already give the answer away?
J-Ly, what was the most hatefuk comment you noticed there?
oooooooops! this showed up way down the thread, and included a profane typo.
I FLAG MYSELF!!! but L and K are right next to each other.
That's your example of hate? The harshest thing written in that Lieberman article is, "I hope these facts wake Joe up here in America to stop his petty Bush enabling garbage."
Yep, sounds just like something a Nazi or Grand Wizard would say.
You have incredibly low standards then. Daily Kos is not a hate site.
Jet Blue should not be associated to a political group,
You think then that everyone should pull their advertising from Fox News?
Yes .
Sue,
I happen to know for a fact that several child molesters drive Chevys. Several others drive Toyotas.
I assume you'll have the decency to not patronize any television or radio shows sponsored by GM or Toyota ever again.
Thanks. That'll help the pedophile problem.
O'Reilly thinks kos should be compared to this?
Excellent analysis of the difference between the hate-wing sites and DKos.
I commend your link to all!
Don't confuse em with facts, Snoop; they don't really want to know.
jlyons, do you not know the difference betw. the actual text generated by the blogger and the postings by readers of the blog? Do you know that all of the "hateful" comments O'Reilly cites are from the postings, not the blog itself?
Or--more likely--do you know the difference and are consciously hoping to blur the distinction? Hate to disspaoint you: MMFA readers are not the Fox news audience.
FOX news is biased but irrelevant to this discussion, if you want to claim they are biased I agree, but Kos is a hate site.
That's just nuts! Kos is no hate site. There may be an anonymous poster or two that uses indecent language but that's not indicative of the site itself. This is a ridiculous charge with ridiculous standards. Is this a hate site by your standards?
Respond to this part of the question posed to you earlier, please, Jlyons. I'm interested in your answer.
jlyons, do you not know the difference betw. the actual text generated by the blogger and the postings by readers of the blog? Do you know that all of the "hateful" comments O'Reilly cites are from the postings, not the blog itself?
jlyons, do you not know the difference betw. the actual text generated by the blogger and the postings by readers of the blog?
Yes
Do you know that all of the "hateful" comments O'Reilly cites are from the postings, not the blog itself?
Yes, and if it is on the blog and hateful it should be censored like MMFA does.
So if you know the difference between hateful remarks made by posters on a site, and websites and blogs that are hate sites, why are you even posting what you've posted here?
DailyKos is not a hate site. There have been hateful things posted on that site. That doesn't make it a hate site.
If you know the difference, then what the heck are you talking about here?
Yes, and if it is on the blog and hateful it should be censored like MMFA does.
Good. So we've got you on the record with that sentiment.
This site DOES prevent you via a simplistic pattern matching routine from posting obvious profanity. However it's pretty 5h1tty, frankly, and really not much of a barrier for those intent on posting something nasty.
But what you're talking about is the censorship of IDEAS. This site doesn't do that, unless perhaps the ideas are of an illegal nature. I imagine much of what you consider "hateful" on the other sites can be and has been posted here.
But it's nice having you on the record as advocating the censorship of political speech.
I advocate the censorship of profanity not political speech.
political speech can't be profane? Profanity is hateful?
That's bull$#@t man!
"censored like MMFA does."
Yes, the "censored" right-winger's postings are so incredibly profound and penetrating that the MM site owners have no choice but to delete all traces of the remarks, lest the winger's words of wisdom reach the left-wing masses, transforming them instantly into Republicans.NotBuying, I feel your pain.Like trying to hammer cotton balls through a brick wall.
J-Ly, Fox News is not relevant, that's true.Not buying was letting you know that your confusion or deliberate spinning wasn't working here, as it would on (now pay attention, making a contrast) the Fox Audience.
Jeepers, Republicans, we'd like to have some decent discussions here, but if we have to spend all this time just getting you to "START", that's pretty exhausting
If there's one thing I've learned about arguing with a conservative, it's that you can reason with them step by step right up to the point that they don't understand the logic any more, and it's at that point that they do 3 things:
1. Return to a point that you made 3 or 4 steps ago
2. Dismiss that point as liberal rhetoric
3. Claim victory; or propose to "agree to disagree".
At this point, hammering cotton balls would be a nice respite.
By the way, didn't he go through this whole charade of finding some hateful comments on "left-wing" sites last year?
Hate from Kos , anti gay?
http://www.cnsnews.com/ViewCommentary.asp?Page=/Commentary/archive/200703/COM20070309a.html
see, that's a fact and now I can agree that Kos has apparently posted a few headlines that are questionable. Now the only question is how often, cause 3 in a year doesn't a hate site make.
Disagree! Use of the word "Fa99ot" in a dictionary is not offensive. Certain of these citations appear to be clinical analyses of the word itself, as opposed to a slur addressed at/to someone.
Great source, I've always found them to be trustworthy and accurate.
No, not really. Why would you even visit that site? Talk about hate, how about slander?
Interesting that the f*gg*t links don't go to the KOS website but appear to have been photoshopped. Even if they are accurate headlines you can't read the articles to see if the person was being tongue in cheek. If a homosexual uses the term it's usually to co-opt it from the haters, not as hate.
this is such stretch and such weak examples have been given as proof. What a waste of time.
Fact is if someone criticizes these guys they will try to find anything at all to slander the source.
That site has some credibility problems. First, it doesn't link to the actual pages. The Microsoft Paint captures are obviously cropped to leave out context that betrays the purpose of the site's argument that Kos used "f@gg0t" or is anti-gay. In fact, in the last of the three there, it's clear from what context is there that someone is complaining about how some posters are making gay jokes which the commenter finds offensive.
Something that's happened here as well -- and that I admit I've partaken in at least once. (Same kinda joke I use with some gay friends when we rip on each other. Still, probably not appropriate for a wider audience.)
Regardless, those three links are, despite the limited context provided by the obviously biased site, saying nothing like what Coulter said. None of the three show any "anti-gay" bias, and instead are attacking anti-gay attitudes. Coulter, on the other hand, used f@gg0t to attack someone. Even her own lame definition of the word attacks both Edwards, who she was using it against, and gay men.
"Hate from Kos , anti gay?"
It's easier for some to copy-and-paste an "anti-gay" allegation from another right-winger rather than to actually take the trouble to read and decide for one's self.
the in depth research you did is greatly appreciated! Now I can see it was only one article, not three. And the fact that many posters demanded the guy be banned was a good point too. Thanks!
Even that second post is up for interpretation. Here's the actual link:
[link to www.dailykos.com]
It appears to be some sort of misguided exercise in self-loathing. The post makes no sense to me, but it's clear that the "little f*****" of the headline is either the author himself or the "bullsh*t internet personality" that the author admits to cultivating.
SueEld, You can not be that thick. Whether or not you are offended by the words in the KOS headline, please tell me you understand the difference in context between that and Ann Coulter.
Please, please tell me that.Or at least tell me you didn't reproduce.
I hate.
I hate corruption. I hate thievery. I hate cruelty to the innocent. I hate injustice.
I hate torture, and I hate it more when it's done in my name.
I hate the concept that some people in this country are 'real' americans and some are not.
I hate lying to advance a political or commercial goal.
And like the thousands upon thousands of people on DailyKos, I hate what is being done to the country I love.
So go ahead. Tell me I'm wrong for hating what I hate.
Tell me I'm wrong to hate the destruction of our Constitution. Tell me I'm wrong to hate the conditions at Walter Reed. Go on.
Tell me I'm wrong to hate.
Hater!
I love your hate!
Want to be talk about "hate speech"? Try reading LittleGreenFootballs.com sometime!
I go there anytime I start to question my identity as a free thinking, strict agnostic liberal. Has the same effect on me as "praise music" has on my evangelical office mate. Settles me right down, reaffirms that I'm on the good guys side.
Amen. Sometimes we need to go to the edge of the abyss to realize we are still on the right path. That little green footballs guy is absolutely certifiable.
I timed myself: 34 seconds to find these gems on right wing conservative Free Republic:
Advocating death: "This is beyond disgusting! If I were Israel I would start executing prisoners until they returned Gilad Shalit, Eldad Regev, and Ehud Goldwasser alive and well as required by UN resolution 1701."
Or another comment of a Democrat: "To: wilco200 Hang ‘em high."
I could post this type of crap all day long for Fox News favorite sexual predator Bill O'Reilly including his own Townhall.com where he apparently has a column...
Now that doesn't make sense! No conservatives could possibly like a band as cool as Wilco.
Neocon, best night ever at FreeRepublic was Xmas eve.(most other sites were shut down) One poster had to sign off, as the "grands" were coming early in the morning, and there were cookies to bake.
The entire discussion went from killing Muslims/Liberals/Gays/ Mexicans to a competition for who had the biggest hugs for the grandkids and who had the best pumpkin pie recipe.
Seems to be a bunch of 70-90 year olds, scared sh*tless about everything in the world that they used to be able to pretend didn't exist. You just wouldn't know it by the tough-talkin' posts that are the norm.
Well, I spent some time comparing DailyKos and the kkk.bz sites. Since the kkk site is completely controlled by the owners, ie no forums what so ever, it would be fair to say that the site that actually facilitates free speech, Dailykos, on the surface is a much more hate filled site. The site that talks about free speech makes it very clear that members of the "Knights" are not allowed to give interviews or talk to the press, the national office has personell to do that for you. But at least on DailyKos there is some give and take and any ideas, facts or opinions can be challenged. Much like our fair MMFA.
This constant KKK comparison makes me wonder whether or not O'Reilly himself has a white hooded robe hanging in his closet.
Coming next week: the Daily Kos is compared to the Roman Empire under Caligula, the KKK, Hitler, Stalin and Tinkie Winkie: exclusively on "The Factor."
I would rather be called a hater by Bill O'Reilly
Than receive the Medal of Freedom from George W Bush.
I would rather have an old used sock of JFKs than all of Cheney's Halliburton stock. The former I would enshrine and treasure; the latter I would have to sell and distribute to the poor as quickly as possible to remove the taint. And this from a guy who has always dreamed of riches.
May I ask of those who believe that the liberal sites are far worse that the Roght wing sites, this question?
In your evalution of HATE sites, what is the criteria? For example, SwiftBoat.whatever...how would you describe this "TRULY Republican Altar of Truth"...Hate site or information site or lying shills or WHAT? I would be interested to know...and please, don't go the the "Freedom of Speech" card because that would ewliminate all of your above posts.
SwiftBoat... hate or ????
Does Wikipedia have a definition of hate site? I may look myself.
On HB's coment (on this thread I think) that this is a place for insane ravings. Well I certainly appreciate the opportunities to do that here.
One thought I had on B.O.'s rant is that the Dem's wouldn't debate on FOX, but they will with Daily Kos. This may be driving Bill and Fox further round the bend, and they can say that the Dem's appear to like hate sites.
I did look, and its a pretty vague discription.
Well JetBlue caved, shame on them. I wrote to them via thier very convenient web site that I will not be flying JetBlue for the forseeable future. This is a real disappointment to me because I really liked JetBlue and always looked for thier fare when booking a flight.
On the issue of hate sites, hate speech, etc. I have to relate a true story. I purchaed my first personal computer in 1999. Previous to that I was on the net mostly for school and work. One day I was web surfing and unwittingly wandered into what I now understand to be the blogosphere.
Anyway, I was just appalled at what I read; the racism, profanity, you name it, and the links to more of it was just overwhelming. As a person of mixed race I feel mostly ambivalent about racism, don't really understand it, hope it is on its last leg, but know it when I see it. It was crystal clear to me that this was what people wanted to say without having to show thier face. I'm not sure I can put into words how, not only disgusted, but embarassed I was. I can honestly say I did not read another blog, post or anything until after 9/11.
O'reilly is looking for a scalp to prove his relavane if not to himself, then perhaps to his audience or more likely to his network. It is a shame JetBlue has decided to be his accomplice.
Cheers to O'Reilly for exposing the nutcases at the Daily Kos...
The KKK and the like hate people based on race and ethnicity. The Daily Kos hate based on political ideology. The level of hatred and vitriol is identical. The only difference is the factors which each group uses to justify their hatred...