Savage said Imus was "lynched," compared his firing to "what was done in Nazi Germany to Jews"
On the July 20 broadcast of his nationally syndicated radio show, Michael Savage said Revs. Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson "lynched [radio host Don] Imus" over racially charged comments he made during his April 4 show. Savage, commenting on the subsequent firing of Imus, went on to say, "This is what was done in Nazi Germany to Jews." As Media Matters for America documented, Imus described the Rutgers women's basketball team as "nappy-headed hos."
Savage asserted that Sharpton and Jackson's public outrage over Imus' remarks was motivated by jealousy, saying: "[T]hey did it because Imus was a more successful talk-show host than they were. They have loser shows on the weekend that no one listens to. How do you move up if you're a talentless demagogue? What you do is you attack talented white men, and you say that we need to have fairness in America, in the American media. So put us in their seats."
Savage went on to compare this purported desire by Jackson and Savage to usurp Imus' radio success to the expulsion of Jewish professors from academia in Nazi Germany. Savage said: "Distinguished Jewish professors were thrown into concentration camps, and good, upstanding Germans took their jobs very happily, including a very famous psychiatrist who took Sigmund Freud's chair after Freud was driven out of Germany, and his name is none other than Carl Jung." Savage added that Jung "very happily accepted the spoils of racism in Nazi Germany, the same way that many so-called progressives have benefited through affirmative action in the United States of America."
As Media Matters has noted (here, here, here, and here), Savage often compares progressives and Democrats to Nazis. For instance, on the June 12 broadcast of The Savage Nation, Savage described the "progressive movement" as "the brownshirts of today" and "the same rabble that brought Hitler to power." Savage joins numerous other commentators who have claimed Imus was "lynched" for his comments, including MSNBC political analyst Pat Buchanan and radio host Michael Smerconish.
From the July 20 broadcast of Talk Radio Network's The Savage Nation:
SAVAGE: It's the same as what the Reverend -- the great Reverend, who nobody knows where he got his divinity degree from -- Al Sharpton, Reverend Sharpton, excuse me -- nobody knows where he's a Reverend or whether he's ever preached, or gotten a degree -- how he lynched the talk show host Imus. Him and the other wonderful, distinguished Reverend, Jesse High Jackson, demanded the hide of Imus. Well, they lynched him. They lynched Imus, as far as I'm concerned.
They didn't do so, so much for racial reasons, they did it for commercial reasons. They did it A, to shake down CBS, and number 2, they did it because Imus was a more successful talk-show host than they were. They have loser shows on the weekend that no one listens to. Now, how do you move up if you're a talentless demagogue? What you do is you attack talented white men, and you say that we need to have fairness in America, in the American media. So put us in their seats.
This is what was done in Nazi Germany to Jews. Distinguished Jewish professors were thrown into concentration camps, and good, upstanding Germans took their jobs very happily, including a very famous psychiatrist who took Sigmund Freud's chair after Freud was driven out of Germany. And his name is none other than Carl Jung. Carl Jung, who is revered by liberals because he was not Freud, and he was an anti-Freud -- he was Jungian, not Freudian -- very happily accepted the spoils of racism in Nazi Germany, the same way that many so-called progressives have benefited through affirmative action in the United States of America. Yes, it's akin. And I'll be back.
He was gassed? Really? I thought he got off scott free? Wow, ya learn something new everyday.
Republican nazi comparison #1,973. Too bad the thin skinned turds can't take it like they dish it out.
Imas rode his horse up to an oak, threw a noose over a high branch, stuck his head into it, pulled it snug, then slapped his horse on the rear. Yes folks, he lynced himself the same way every true bigot does sooner or later.
"Republican nazi comparison #1,973"
Not really since Savage isn't even a Republican.
Is he an Independent, like BilldO ?
Har har!
I think that goes to show how closed-minded liberals are. They think anyone who isn't a liberal MUST be repubican. In case you haven't figured it out, yet. Independent means they think independently. Since they aren't told what to think and say (like liberals are) then it's only natural that a liberal would think that all who aren't told what to think are the same.
In case you haven't figured it out, yet. Independent means they think independently.
The key word there that you seem to have disregarded is "think". Not a whole lot of that going on in savages general vicinity.
I'll grant you that "Republican" was imprecise. However, "conservative" would have been accurate.
Independent is what REpublicans call themselves when they want to trick their audience into thinking they're independent.
Then they prove it to the gullible by disagreeing with Bush on (roll tape)..
Immigration
spending
Dubai ports
Harriet Meyers
Independents ... vote for "NONE OF THE ABOVE".
The recipe for anarchy. No thanks.
Most independants today are preferring the democratic party to the republican party. Savage absolutely hates the democratic party, ergo he can't be an independant, can he?
Savage hates the Republican Party as well.
In your own words:
Savage is basically just on the fringe of the right wing. His audience basically consists of people who think that Rush Limbaugh is too liberal. Savage basically hammers everybody on his show for being too liberal.
Savage doesn't hate republicans, he (like you) hate what y'all refer to as republicans in name only AKA moderate republicans. He prefers to purge the party of everyone but the extremists who have taken over the party and turned it into something it was not.
"He prefers to purge the party of everyone but the extremists"
Why would he want to purge a party that he doesn't even belong to? That doesn't make any sense. Savage didn't even decide who he was going to vote for until about two weeks before the 2004 election. He basically thought that both Bush and Kerry were liberals and that there wasn't a dime's worth of difference between them.
Huh? If he thinks Bush is "liberal" then of course he would want to make the party more conservative. Then he could feel more comfortable joining the party, and would have a political force trying to implement his worldview.
Why wouldn't he want that?
Let me get this straight - If I am at work and I make a comment that publicly embarasses my employer and my employer determines that it is in the best interest of the corporation to let me go, then my former employer is engaging in genocide? Can we engage in a conversation about this issue without extremists spinning the facts such that they cannot be seen as fact? No. Of course not.
More classic projection from Autopsychotic. The very epitome of a propaganda parrot that wouldnt know an original thought from a cerebral hemmorage. Liberals are NOT told what to think. That is why left wing radio hasnt taken off and rightwing dittohead radio draws most of the braindead, brainwashed sychophants like YOU. We understand. You MUST know how stupid you are, you must know that since you dont have a functioning cerebral cortex you are forced to just repeat whatever bloviating screechmonkey you have listened to recently but trying to project it on the left is laughably stupid. The old saying about us lefties is that trying to get us together on ANYTHING is like trying to herd cats. Get two liberals in a room and you have at least three opinions. Then again you probably dont understand that either, I mean it WOULD be the first time you EVER understood anything and you are just repeating what somebody TOLD you to think. You are so very sad and pathetic
Thanks, solon. I must be learning from all of this, I only had to look up 3 words. Maybe you're just losing it.
Now, do you have anything 'on-topic' to say or are you just trolling again? Considering that 1 out of 10 posts by you is on topic, then you must be trolling.
Pointing out how lame you are is not the same as trolling.
Sadly, yes it is.
He sure as hell ain't no Democrat, moron.
nazi comparison #1,973
If you listened to yesterday's show, then you would have heard 'nazi comparison #1974'. During the debate someone asked hilary if she would describe herself as a liberal and she said she could better describe herself as a 'progressive' and continued blathering why. Well, Michael noted that during the early nazi party (before they took power) they would call themselves 'progressive'. I did a simple google search and found several articles saying that is true, among them this following one from Canada.
"In the early 1930's, the German Nazi Party used to portray themselves as some sort of "left-wing" progressive political party. That is why this party had referred to themselves as "National Socialists". By portraying themselves as a 'populist progressive movement', these so-called "National Socialists" could exploit the social malaise that had existed in Germany. " http://www.elections-canada.com/wmview.php?ArtID=17
Hmmm, the political similarities between nazi's and liberals is amazing. Most of all their attempted denial of what they truelly seek. Fortunately, there are some that aren't afraid to broadcast those dangers. Although, that could be the underlying reason why the liberals are so in favor of getting independant radio restricted with the return of the 'fairness doctrine'.
Didn't you just describe a situation where Savage told you what to think and say...and then you did exactly that?
I think it's more of a 'I heard what he said and I did some independent research and found it to be true'. Have you found anything that disputes his statement?
No, I'm sure that's true. It's just that you thought that was some sort of relevant point on his part or that it showed that liberals and Nazis are "politically similar". That seems to be the conclusion he was driving at, and you followed suit remarkably well.
I'm sorry if 1+1 ALWAYS equals 2. The same can be said about the nazi and liberal thought patterns.
So because extremist right-wing Nazis pretended to left-wing to gain political power, then liberals are...what? Right-wingers in disguise? What do you suppose is the hidden agenda that doesn't match up with what they say they want?
Oh yes, so true.
The parallels between liberals promoting gay marriage and the nazis exterminating them are striking.
Could you BE more ignorant?
By the way, that last question was NOT a challenge...
The parallels between liberals promoting gay marriage and the nazis exterminating them are striking.
Well, let's see...nazi's killed 12-15 million people during it's reign? How many baby's have been killed by poking a pair of scissors into it's head while half-way out of a body....1-2% of the over 40 million abortions that have occured since liberals fought for and achieved the right to murder human beings? Wasn't it the nazi's that wanted to dabble in cloning and stem cell research? Wasn't it the nazi's that wanted to off the handicapped and elderly? Wasn't it the nazi's that wanted to restrict free radio? Oh yeah! The similarities are striking!
"Well, let's see...nazi's killed 12-15 million people during it's reign? How many baby's have been killed by poking a pair of scissors into it's head while half-way out of a body....1-2% of the over 40 million abortions that have occured since liberals fought for and achieved the right to murder human beings?"
Destroying a potential life is not the same as ending an actual one. It's not murder. I've never seen anyone argue that a so-called "partial-birth" abortion should be elective, either. The argument is that if and when it's the safest medical option that it should be available. So no, not comparable to genocide in any way.
"Wasn't it the nazi's that wanted to dabble in cloning and stem cell research?"
Stem cell research? I'm not sure who's in favor of cloning, either, but in any case the reasons for these interests were to further a master race. It's pretty hard to argue that liberals are tolerant of multiculturalism, but at the same time there's some nefarious racist plot behind stem cell research.
"Wasn't it the nazi's that wanted to off the handicapped and elderly?"
Who wants to "off" the handicapped and elderly, again? What grand movement is being presented for this?
"Wasn't it the nazi's that wanted to restrict free radio?"
So creating balanced radio is the same as taking over radio so that only one side is heard? No, not really.
Thank you for another amusing peek into the twisted innards of your brain though.
The argument is that if and when it's the safest medical option that it should be available. So no, not comparable to genocide in any way.
WHEN has it EVER been the safest medical option. Give me ONE example!
As for the rest of your reprisals, thanks for supporting my stance. You did a good job of exemplifying the similarities between the two parties.
Maybe to save the life of the mother or to keep her from health risks?
"Wasn't it the nazi's that wanted to restrict free radio?"
Great point that one. You're right... conservatives against FAIRNESS on the radio *ARE* like Nazis!
How many baby's have been killed by poking a pair of scissors into it's head while half-way out of a body
Zero would be my guess.
Not only are you swallowing everything Savage says, you believe the Nazis in describing themselves as progressive.
You can probably find a drug-addled guy with urine-stained pants on a street corner near you who says he's Jesus.I hope you don't use the same logic there.
Wow, you really love to show off your incredible ignorance dont you? Why are you so PROUD of your stupidity? You seem to think such ludicrous baseless assertions are somehow reperesentative of reality because you say them. You really live in your own little world of ignorance and delusion dont you?
Show me where I'm wrong! Yeah, that's what I thought....you can't! Next time you call someone stupid be able to back it up. You hide behind some computer BEFORE you have the balls to call people names! What a typical liberal YOU are. Afraid to stand up to the person you cuss at. Why? Afraid of getting another elementary school pounding? I'll bet you got a lot of them, huh?
So, let me get this straight, AP: you believe that because the Nazis said they were "progressive" and did not act in that manner that they are the same as liberals who call themselves "progressive" and try to be "progressive." Do you believe actions speak louder than words or vice versa?
Do you take statements only at face value when they benefit your argument? If so, is Bush a "uniter, not a divider" and he is a "compassionate conservative" and he is "fiscally responsible," right?
I am guessing you have access to history books and dictionaries are familiar with the definition of "progressive." What, in your mind, did the Nazis do that was "progressive?"
Can we start the countdown now for Michael Savage's Nazi Comparison #2,000?
Would there be any sort of apropos commemoration once the milestone be reached?
And tell me if Meneer "Liberalism is a Mental Disorder" would accept the invocation of His Name for purposes of suppressing voter turnout among Those Whom Conservatives Cannot Expect to Be Trusted.
Sure they rounded up leftists homosexuals, Gypsies and Jews and put them in death camps. That is like liberals only in your bizarro world of self delusion you sad little braindead moron you.
Snoop:
I missed the hanging part, and I also missed the "rounding up" part, and at the end, the "ovens" part. Savage's "comparisons" seem to lack a lot of the most essential elements, as they stretch towards lunatic hyperbole.
Ah, well. It's not like he has any CREDIBILITY to protect. His fans with pitchforks aren't listening to actual WORDS any more, they're all about keening tones.
Wow, who knew. So was he simultaneously worked and starved to death, tortured to death by a Mengele clone or herded into a shower and given Zyklon B gas? Or is this another chapter in the Weinerdogs psychotic soap Opera The days of My Insanity?
You left out that they took his home and money, boarded him on a train and sent him to birchenau, the guards decided if he was healthy enough to work and when he failed the test, they sent him to a room, stripped him, hearded him into a shower and gave him a little zyklon B. Then they sorted his clothes and distributed them among the masses. Did I mention they burned his body to ashes so there was no trace of him ever existing?
I'm not surprised that Wiener-Savage is a fan of Freud's.
So he's saying that the blacks are the Nazis, and they are persecuting the white rich men, who are the Jews.
Talk about projection!
Imus = bad
Sharpton = good
Jackson = good
Savage = bad
Is this right?
Troll=moron
Weinerdog=Insane
Is THAT right?
Now that was priceless.
Good one Solon :-)
Thanks Jeter I appreciate that.
It's good if you like personal attacks. But most of us aren't really into that, however.
I'd count myself as one of "most of us", but he was clearly trolling, making him fair game in my book.
Do you mean trolling like in this statement?: "He sure as hell ain't no Democrat, moron. "
Is there a difference between the two? Besides one coming from a liberal and the other not?
No, trolling is saying outrageous things to elicit responses.
Equating liberals to Nazis is an attack on someone's personal ideology and intellect.
Calling someone a moron is a personal insult.
Calling you a moron is well-informed personal opinion built on piles of evidence, and undisputed by psychological science. I know, because I googled "autopsychic" and "moron", and found no peer-reviewed professional articles disproving the relationship.
That particular poster called me a moron, and that's a personal attack by any reasonable standard. That poster was simply trolling.
Making a personal attack is not equivalent to trolling.
So sorry to disappoint!
Making a personal attack is against mmfa terms of use agreement that YOU ALL agreed to. Funny how that agreement is used to get anyone-but-a-liberal kicked out of mmfa. Solon breaks those rules DAILY, yet continues to be allowed to post. Is that how you liberals work the rules? Break them since they don't apply to you???
http://mediamatters.org/etc/terms
Can you read?
I didn't say that making personal attacks was the best course of action.
I didn't say that it was acceptable to MMfA either. I didn't say that those comments shouldn't be removed by MMfA censors.
I said that personal attacks are not equivalent to trolling. You claimed that someone who had made a personal attack was a troll because he had made that personal attack. You're crazy. They're not the same.
You're the one who is lost in the sauce here.
I'm sorry but you dont get to put yourself into the category of those who dont do personal attacks you do them all the time. Just because you like to define your personal attacks as not being personal attacks because you attack us as a group, usually though you also get directly personal, doesnt make it so. YOU are rude and insulting so you dont belong on any pious pedestal. Get over yourself
Michael Savage compares liberals to Nazis again.
Anti Defamation League - are you going to react to this?
If there was never a Nazi party in Germany, or a Holocaust, would Savage ever have anything to talk about? Is he literally incapable of deriving an analogy from any source other than Hitler?
Is this Nazi fixation exclusive to the radio program, or does it persist in his personal life. At the supermarket, does Savage call the checkout clerk a Nazi for not honoring double coupons? Personally, I think he is just crazy enough. I need to review the symptoms of paranoid schizofrenia in the DSM-IV. Weiner seems to be a textbook case.
If the Nazi party never existed then Liberals would be Roman's and Imus would be Jesus.
Imus' own comments did him in.
You gotta love the rightwing radio morons. I can't remember a bigger group of people making so much money for so little effort only to whine and sob about job security and persecution.
You want some cheese to go with that, Mr. Weiner?
And this make sense to someone?
Reverend Sharpton was educated in New York City public schools and attended Brooklyn College. He was later presented with an honorary degree from A.P. Clay Bible College
Wow, I should be a researcher for some hastily produced right wing radio show. It only took me 30 seconds to do what Savage's staff could not accomplish in 2 years. I mean surely sometime in the last 2 years one of his staffers has heard him say some disparaging remark about the mysterious degree and went looking to solve the mystery, right? They didn't just let savage blather on in ignorance did they?
Savage's inferiority complex is showing. He prefers to be called "Dr. Savage," even though his doctorate is in nutrition, specializing in homeopathic medication. I've heard it refered to as the Col.Sanders degree because he basically studied herbs and spices.
As far as I am concerned this is fraud. I worry about someone who peddles "medical information" using an alias.
You have EVERY right to worry about that. Has it happened? If so, go get a judge, I think there's one in Wash DC looking for work right now (Roy Pearson). He must be a hero of all liberals for his work toward bettering the judicial system. I'll even go so far as to say I'll bet half of you agreed with his position.
Imus will have the last laugh when he returns in the fall. I am not a fan of Savage but I agree Imus was lynched.
Oh sure because holding someone accoutable for racist statements made on OUR airwaves is EXACTLY like hanging a black man from a tree. Have you NO SHAME?
Solon,
Look at who you just asked that question to. Shame and Sue are not uttered in the same sentance...
Unless it's Sue has no Shame...
Or, if it's Allah admitting "I'm so ashamed that Suee somehow slipped through the assembly line without a brain..."
I'm sure Sue was in the line for brains and heard the announcment "Trains is in the other line" and hopped to the other line thus leaving the line for brains. Yes I know that is an ancient joke but it still applies here. <Snark>
Asked and answered dude (and objection overruled.)
Sueeld: The point of this whole post is that words have meanings. Do you even know what the word "lynched" means? Let me give you a hint--it does not mean being fired from a cushy job, staying unemployed for a handful of months, and then making a "triumphant return." The last time I checked, not too many people who were "lynched" got their old jobs back after a short time. Was Imus treated unfairly? Maybe, you think he was. But please, let's not make him a martyr or act like what happened to poor Imus compares to the miscarriages of justice that the word lynched is supposed to refer to. Savage is incapable of making a rational comparison, and by your post it seems that you may be, too.
"Imus will have the last laugh when he returns in the fall. I am not a fan of Savage but I agree Imus was lynched."--Sueeld
The only way that one could believe that Imus was lynched, (or to be more accurate--treated unfairly) would be to believe that his "nappy headed ho" statement was not offensive to those women. Is that something you're willing to cozy up to?
Sueeld, that’s is bullsh*t and you know it. I am sick and tired of ANYONE comparing something to lynching. I’m truly pissed that you would have the nerve to use lynching to describe what happen to that old white man. Is he dead cause that’s what happened to blacks when they were lynched. They didn’t leave the penthouse in New York City to visit their home in Connecticut. They weren't able to sue their old employer for breach of contract cause THEY WERE DEAD! They were usually taken from their homes or off the streets and hung from the trees for all to see. When I see that old white man hung from a tree for all to see, THAT’S lynching otherwise shut the hell up about lynching.
You're right here Pearlean. I certainly didn't like what happened to Imus, but nobody should compare it to a lynching. I'm sure that that's very offensive to you. Savage is basically just on the fringe of the right wing. His audience basically consists of people who think that Rush Limbaugh is too liberal. Savage basically hammers everybody on his show for being too liberal.
Rino, thanks for the post.
I might as well rant about Bill O and Savage for the Nazi business too. I'm not Jewish but if I don't like the lynching comparison I can only believe that Jewish people don't like the Hitler/Nazi comparisons.
Savage, Bill and Sean cannot begin to imagine what living through those times were like and to use their petty and trivial situations as a comparison is thoughtless. There are words from our history that we should weigh carefully before using them carelessly.
Sorry. Meant Pearlene
Looking back, I have no sympathy whatsoever for Imus. People have frequently been fired from their jobs for saying things that are judged to be inappropriate or indefensible by their employer, and I'm not just talking about show business. Imus was not the first, he won't be the last.
I once worked at a sheet metal fab shop where a mobile kitchen run by Asians would stop each day. One day, an unpopular employee known for his nasty disposition reacted to the discontinuance of a menu item with, "we should have nuked your a***es in Vietnam when we had the chance."
Taking into account the friendly rapport that we all had with this vendor, we were beside ourselves in disbelief at what we had just heard. Needless to say, the vendor made an extra stop that day: the shop manager's office. After other shop employees gladly went on record and corroborated the vendor's version of the incident, Mr. Nasty found himself on the curb with his last paycheck within a couple hours.
Employers don't like the heat that comes from harboring people like this, and they are not obligated to put up with it. Imus was not lynched, it was his mouth that cost him his job.
Lather, rinse and repeat, Sueeld.
Imus' own comments did him in.- nomobush / Monday July 23, 2007 06:49:48 PM EST
He wasn't lynched. Lynching means someone else doing something to you. It was his own stupidly-chosen words that got him in trouble.
Someone who is convicted by their own actions isn't lynched. Black people were lynched because they had the wrong color skin, and hadn't done anything "wrong"!
Geez oh man weiner you can't have it both ways (though I'm sure you would if you could you closet case!) I mean I was just reading on MMFA how you thought it was a downright shame for Congressman Keith Ellison to compare bush's exploitation of 911 with how Hitler used the reichstag fire to rise to power, and in fact said that such a comparison trivialized what the Nazis had wrought upon the Jews. So I guess your umpteenth reference to a Democrat allegedly acting like a Nazi means nothing, right? Good lord, what a trick it is to to talk out of both sides or your mouth and your ass at the same time!
And I'll be back.
And this just might be the most chilling thing weiner ever said. . .
hahahahaha.
I had to come back just because I was laughing so hard at how everyone is crying about the use of a figure of speech on a topic that has been beat to death. MMFA also left out the audio preceeding what is provided here where Savage went into detail about his use of the word "lynched" after a caller complained about it being to extreme or offensive. Nothing like good ole' MMFA to stand up as the defender of "truth" by leaving out critical transcript.
And what was his defense? I'm surprised you didn't tell us this vital information that MMfA left out.
Hahahahahahahahah John you’re like a cockroach… Nah cause cockroaches have a purpose. You’re more like a rodent….. Nah cause rodents serve a purpose in nature. You trying to explain Savage’s comments are useless. Take your medicine, lay your head against your padded wall, look over at your roommate Savage and count the dots on the ceiling. It will give you something useful to occupy your time.
So, John, tell us how he "explained" how a radio shock jock losing his job was the same as a deplorable practice used in the South to kill African Americans? That must have been awesome!
Sure. First, Savage went into the definition of "lynching," which has nothing to do with race. "Putting a person to death by mob action without due process of law" (As defined by: [link to wordnet.princeton.edu] color="#008000">wordnet.princeton.edu/perl/webwn). Hundreds of thousands of people of all races have been lynched throughout history. So, people who want to look at this as Savage being insensitive to blacks, are really missing the entire meaning of the word.
Second, Savage brought up a few bible verses which refer to how taking away a man's job or means of being productive is synonymous with killing him. Hence, the expression "imus was lynched" is an appropriate figure of speech for what happened to him.
What's the "due process of law" for firing a radio host? He made a racist, sexist comment, and paid the price for it. What's the great injustice here, exactly?
I'm curious what these Bible verses are. I think it would be fun to curse out my boss in front of people, then when he tries to fire me I'll quote the Bible saying how he can't take away my job because it would be like killing me. I wonder how that would pan out.
That's some very compelling stuff, John. It's simply outrageous that MMfA wouldn't include such a well-thought out explanation of his comments. That changes everything!
The due process of law was not carried out, because NBC violated the contract they had with Imus. We have yet to see how that will pan out, but there's your lack of due process. NBC was pressured by an angry mob (jackson/sharpton, and their minions); and he was given the boot without a formal review and settlement in regard to his contract.
The bible passage obviously isnt going to pass for law in the workplace, you putz. Savage used it to give a frame of reference to his figure of speech.
Really? So he can't get fired for cause?
I'm not saying the Bible is supposed to pass for law anywhere. I'm saying that you could use it under any circumstances to say that one shouldn't get fired, even if there's just cause for it. The whole thing seems to be based on the idea that what happened to Imus was somehow unfair.
This is supposed to be "critical transcript"? Please.
Thank you for the context. I still think the reference is an insult to anyone who had a family member "lynched."
On one hand, one person is dead (an actual lynching victim), on the other is a very rich and successful man who probably has opportunities in a different venue (i.e. satellite radio) who will never be hurting for cash who lost his job because sponsors refused to carry his work anymore. He still has his health, just not a job on NBC. He will land on his feet and even if he doesn't he is rich enough not to work again.
Personally, I think its a weak comparison at best. I realize the Bible quote he gave may lend some validity, but its a gross comparison at best.
So, John, firing someone is murder in your book? You actually think they're comparable? Should employers get the death penalty?
And, fyi, breach of contract does NOT equal deprivation of due process of law. Imus can still go to court and sue - thus he can have due process.
Can't help but notice that Imus decided not to sue NBC- clearly he decided that he didn't have a case worth pursuing. No one can argue that Imus lacked the financial resources to challenge his firing if he really believed he had a case. So that argument is completely bogus.
Imus through his own actions since his dismissal has admitted that NBC had every right to fire him. But even if NBC DIDN'T have that right, it doesn't approach the level of a lynching, moron!
They didnt take away his livliehood he is a rich man he ISNT going to starve so its just stupid to pretend its like killing him. He made a stupid, racist statement that made his employer look bad, he got fired in America that is how it works. There IS no law protecting employment other than some specific civil rights protections. Your employer can legally fire you because he doesnt like your tie or wants to give you job to his simpleminded nephew. Weinerdog had no point, he had an excuse to do what he always does spout insane nonsense
There IS no law protecting employment other than some specific civil rights protections. Your employer can legally fire you because he doesnt like your tie or wants to give you job to his simpleminded nephew.
That is NOT true. Again you cannot speak the truth. Read your union contract! And, are you saying that your uncle gave you your job?
No, Solon is absolutely right. America, with a few exceptions, has "at-will" employment rules - meaning you can be fired for pretty much any reason.
The big exceptions include, of course, discrimination on the basis of a protected category like race, or if you are in a union (or if you live in Montana, I think it is, which has a general for-cause firing requirement).
The big exceptions include, of course, discrimination on the basis of a protected category like race, or if you are in a union
And that is exactly what I said! When you people get a grip on reality and learn how to read things will go a lot smoother, here. Solon, obviously, said in "all of America", not just some jobs. I simply pointed out his mistake. You were kind enough to reinforce my stance. Thank you.
Don Imus was at at-will employee, AP.
By the way, John, I didn't say lynching had anything to do with race, just that African Americans in the South had been victims of lynching. I don't put words into your mouth and I would appreciate the same courtesy.
Thanks.
First, when did Savage define lynching? You are right the dictionary definition of lynching has nothing do do with race. However, words have cultural contexts too. In this country the term carries heavy racial implications. It was racial insensitivity that got Imus into trouble in the first place.
Second, when and where does Savage site these biblical verses? I listened to the segment and nothing was said about the Bible. Without this information, your statement is meaningless.
John's point is that MMfA left out this "critical transcript", as if this convoluted nonsense somehow made Savage's comments less ridiculous. As if MMfA was afraid people would read or hear that and think "oh, well that's perfectly reasonable then!"
What other reason did mmfa have for leaving the entire transcript out? They claim to use quotes in entirity, yet leave out important sections. When called on it, you defend them by saying 'why bother'. So, as long as mmfa prints what liberals want to hear then all is ok in your world? So much for mmfa classifying themselves as truth seekers. They use missinformation as wisely as the next group!
It's an extraordinarily weak argument that Savage is making, even by your standards. As has been pointed out, he's got money, so firing him for cause is not depriving him of livelihood. There's nothing that has happened to him that's comparable to murder or is even unfair.
If they leave something out that actually changes the meaning of what someone is saying, then obviously that's wrong. This is just the convoluted rationalization behind a bizarre comparison, which doesn't change the nature of his comments whatsoever.
If they leave something out that actually changes the meaning of what someone is saying, then obviously that's wrong.
Thank you for agreeing with what I just said.
If Michael Savage does not know whether Al Sharpton got a degree it is only because he is too lazy to check. It took me about 20 seconds to find the answer on Wikipedia.
It takes a real ass to claim two black ministers "lynched" someone.
Where in the world does Savage get the idea that Carl Jung took Sigmund Freud's chair when Freud was driven out of Germany. First, Freud left Vienna Austria, not Germany, when the Nazis took control. He was in private practice in Vienna. What chair is Savage talking about. Jung did head a psychiatric organization under the the Nazi. He helped to protect Jews at personal risk to himself. The organization did not exist when Freud was in Germany so he could not have been replaced by Jung. While there have been questions about Jung's belief in the Nazi ideology saying he gladly accepted a position vacated by Freud is all in Savage's mind.
Saying what happened to Imus is the same thing as what happened to Jews in Germany is a bit much. Imus was not thrown into a concentration camp. He was not gassed. In fact it looks like a few months after losing his job he will soon be back on the air. Sure that is the way the Nazis treated Jews.
Savage is running scared in San Francisco.There is a gruop of latinos organising a pickett and possible boicott of his sponsors.The organising was started on a spanish speaking AM radio show radio show.But since he needs at least two scapegoats at a time he's now doing muslims and the old standby black people.
Is this the same group who threatened to go on a hunger strike then got upset when Savage said 'go ahead...make my day'? Yeah, your group will get a lot done!
I caught some of his show on the way home yesterday; it's cringe-inducing fun at times to listen to. Anyway, just so y'all know that Savage hasn't suddenly and spontaneously spawned some sanity ... he's still on his thing about C-SPAN "banning" his speech.
Oh, and welcome back Johnofthemanynumbers ... it's wonderful to see you again, I was afraid Dr. Weiner was going to hire a professional troll who could defend himself since you left.
Just a quick note
The third paragraph of this article begins "Savage went on to compare this purported desire by Jackson and Savage"--I'm sure it meant "Jackson and Sharpton."
In this case it was a mere slip of the fingers. In Savage's own case, however, only a licensed psychologist can explain how he can confuse the Nazis with progressives.
I wonder if the trolls present remember that they used to claim that Imus was himself on the left. Now that wacko right-winger Savage is defending Imus, this particular delusion is laid bare for all to see.
Wow, and here I just assumed that Imus had retired to his ranch or his penthouse apartment or his mansion in the suburbs. I had no idea he had been tossed into a boxcar after having all of his possessions stripped of him, had his head shaved, was starved nearly to death, beaten daily and then gassed. I really need to follow the news more closely.
What a disgusting pig this guy is.
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